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Re: Musical thread?

Russell Courtenay
 

Sorry this thread has derailed the group, my only addition. 

Yep, guilty as charged. And wow Randy! You guys are good! I am more of a Neil Young 'regressive-rock' fan than prog rock but I like all kinds of music, with some exceptions....

I play left-handed Epiphone Les Paul and a couple of others. I have signed up to play at Boise's Treefort Music Festival in March, hope to hear by Tuesday if I got accepted. 

My music Page is currently stuck on Zuckerberg's box but I have other spots online too. 


On Jan 13, 2019, at 12:08 PM, Warner Swarner wbswarner@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

Boyd,
Are you kidding me!  You too?  Another Strat lover. There seems to be a common thread here.  Not just bridge bridges,  but guitar bridges.  
We may have a G&D Tribute Rock band on our hands.  The Bridge Brothers or Rail Benders.  At least another excuse to enjoy the interchange.
OK, everybody out of the closet.  How many ex-rockers or guitar Wannabes? are G&D followers?  I confess, I own more guitars than brass engines (ever). I know Russel is a guitarist/vocalist.  I suspect several several others have had more than trains in their garage at one time or another. Any confessions?  The Music/Art/Model Railroad gene seems to be on the same chromosome.  All my closest model RR buddies have been/are musicians.  
Warner



On Jan 13, 2019, at 9:22 AM, boydw7@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Dave, as you can tell by our crowing both Randy and I are having the time of our lives. Haven't had s much fun since I got my first Fender Stratocaster in 1973. Although I learned to play that dream didn't pan out and I'm glad it didn't. Looks like this G&D dream is gonna happen. I have a pic of a temporary mirror at the Great Divide yard in the Gorre Northern album. Looks like the Cold Shoulder mirror will work and maybe Andrews. I don't have much of a Devil's Gulch on my pike but maybe a large mirror would work behind the corner curves that preceed my French Gulch...I'll take a look at that. I am now working in the high line above Port and the sweeping curve behind the roundhouse and then down over the yard to connect to the line from Angels Camp. Boyd

Re: Musical thread?

Eugen Takacs
 

That is really interesting. i am just an amateur musician but spend almost half of my professional carriere in music industry among professional musicians, and many of them loved the trains and model trains.

Eugen

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Am Montag, Jänner 14, 2019, 05:37 schrieb Reynolds John atravellertoo@... [GandD] :

 

Some interesting things I have observed about model railroaders... Many have an amateur interest (as in love of) in music -- Some professionally also -- And many have an interest in history (and especially military history)....
John Reynolds

On Sunday, January 13, 2019, 8:24:11 PM PST, 'Friddle, Bob' bob.friddle@... [GandD] wrote:


 

Get. The. F. out of here! Is that really you singing Randy? Great voice, great version of a great song, I so enjoyed that!!! Progressive rock has always been my favorite; I went to college sitting in front of genesis tour guitarist Daryl Steurmer with his jazz rock band oceans in Milwaukee (he plays a mean Firth of fifth). And so many concerts with yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, and the like. Wish I could play at that level, but I have a Lotta fun for sure and I will post a video when I can dig up the link. Reminds me of a conversation I had with the owner of Barr Mills at the narrow gauge convention here this fall, he is a bass player in a couple of bands, truly multi talented and a great guy.

Thanks, Randy, You really made my day! Are there more videos?


Bob Friddle

Gabrielle lines

Minneapolis


On Jan 13, 2019, at 1:42 PM, Randy Decker randyleedecker@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Music...!   Well certainly....! I did not know we had other musically inclined members... Have been lucky enough to have owned 2 stratocasters... one  was a japanese version from the early 80's and I swear that neck was the nicest piece of musical craftsmanship I have ever played.  Never ever should have sold all the guitars I have sold through the years..  Had and a slew of Rickenbackers including TWO double neck azureglo Blue 4/6 configurations.   Gibson double neck, a custom built Hamer 8 string Bass and more acoustic guitars than I can remember.   Still use Four Ovation Super Adams 1's and had a plan to recreate the best of the early 1970's progressive rock genre...  Band still has part of a website...  www.progchronicles.com  here's a youtube link to me singing some very old Genesis, recorded live...right here in my small practice room/studio at full volume.....  If your not into "Prog" you won't care for this but the musicianship is excellent...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hulSeyRq6s0&t=13s

Randy

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 2:16 PM Warner Swarner wbswarner@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

Boyd,

Are you kidding me!  You too?  Another Strat lover. There seems to be a common thread here.  Not just bridge bridges,  but guitar bridges.  
We may have a G&D Tribute Rock band on our hands.  The Bridge Brothers or Rail Benders.  At least another excuse to enjoy the interchange.
OK, everybody out of the closet.  How many ex-rockers or guitar Wannabes? are G&D followers?  I confess, I own more guitars than brass engines (ever). I know Russel is a guitarist/vocalist.  I suspect several several others have had more than trains in their garage at one time or another. Any confessions?  The Music/Art/Model Railroad gene seems to be on the same chromosome.  All my closest model RR buddies have been/are musicians.  
Warner



On Jan 13, 2019, at 9:22 AM, boydw7@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Dave, as you can tell by our crowing both Randy and I are having the time of our lives. Haven't had s much fun since I got my first Fender Stratocaster in 1973. Although I learned to play that dream didn't pan out and I'm glad it didn't. Looks like this G&D dream is gonna happen. I have a pic of a temporary mirror at the Great Divide yard in the Gorre Northern album. Looks like the Cold Shoulder mirror will work and maybe Andrews. I don't have much of a Devil's Gulch on my pike but maybe a large mirror would work behind the corner curves that preceed my French Gulch...I'll take a look at that. I am now working in the high line above Port and the sweeping curve behind the roundhouse and then down over the yard to connect to the line from Angels Camp. Boyd

Re: Musical thread?

Bob Friddle
 

Ok here’s a recital I’m proud of. Duet of the allman bros’ Melissa with my teacher Ryan Smith who is currently lead guitarist for Soul Asylum, one of the benefits of living in Minneapolis.

On Jan 13, 2019, at 1:42 PM, Randy Decker randyleedecker@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Music...!   Well certainly....! I did not know we had other musically inclined members... Have been lucky enough to have owned 2 stratocasters... one  was a japanese version from the early 80's and I swear that neck was the nicest piece of musical craftsmanship I have ever played.  Never ever should have sold all the guitars I have sold through the years..  Had and a slew of Rickenbackers including TWO double neck azureglo Blue 4/6 configurations.   Gibson double neck, a custom built Hamer 8 string Bass and more acoustic guitars than I can remember.   Still use Four Ovation Super Adams 1's and had a plan to recreate the best of the early 1970's progressive rock genre...  Band still has part of a website...  www.progchronicles.com  here's a youtube link to me singing some very old Genesis, recorded live...right here in my small practice room/studio at full volume.....  If your not into "Prog" you won't care for this but the musicianship is excellent...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hulSeyRq6s0&t=13s

Randy

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 2:16 PM Warner Swarner wbswarner@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

Boyd,

Are you kidding me!  You too?  Another Strat lover. There seems to be a common thread here.  Not just bridge bridges,  but guitar bridges.  
We may have a G&D Tribute Rock band on our hands.  The Bridge Brothers or Rail Benders.  At least another excuse to enjoy the interchange.
OK, everybody out of the closet.  How many ex-rockers or guitar Wannabes? are G&D followers?  I confess, I own more guitars than brass engines (ever). I know Russel is a guitarist/vocalist.  I suspect several several others have had more than trains in their garage at one time or another. Any confessions?  The Music/Art/Model Railroad gene seems to be on the same chromosome.  All my closest model RR buddies have been/are musicians.  
Warner



On Jan 13, 2019, at 9:22 AM, boydw7@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Dave, as you can tell by our crowing both Randy and I are having the time of our lives. Haven't had s much fun since I got my first Fender Stratocaster in 1973. Although I learned to play that dream didn't pan out and I'm glad it didn't. Looks like this G&D dream is gonna happen. I have a pic of a temporary mirror at the Great Divide yard in the Gorre Northern album. Looks like the Cold Shoulder mirror will work and maybe Andrews. I don't have much of a Devil's Gulch on my pike but maybe a large mirror would work behind the corner curves that preceed my French Gulch...I'll take a look at that. I am now working in the high line above Port and the sweeping curve behind the roundhouse and then down over the yard to connect to the line from Angels Camp. Boyd

Re: Musical thread?

John Reynolds
 

Some interesting things I have observed about model railroaders... Many have an amateur interest (as in love of) in music -- Some professionally also -- And many have an interest in history (and especially military history)....
John Reynolds

On Sunday, January 13, 2019, 8:24:11 PM PST, 'Friddle, Bob' bob.friddle@... [GandD] wrote:


 

Get. The. F. out of here! Is that really you singing Randy? Great voice, great version of a great song, I so enjoyed that!!! Progressive rock has always been my favorite; I went to college sitting in front of genesis tour guitarist Daryl Steurmer with his jazz rock band oceans in Milwaukee (he plays a mean Firth of fifth). And so many concerts with yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, and the like. Wish I could play at that level, but I have a Lotta fun for sure and I will post a video when I can dig up the link. Reminds me of a conversation I had with the owner of Barr Mills at the narrow gauge convention here this fall, he is a bass player in a couple of bands, truly multi talented and a great guy.

Thanks, Randy, You really made my day! Are there more videos?


Bob Friddle

Gabrielle lines

Minneapolis


On Jan 13, 2019, at 1:42 PM, Randy Decker randyleedecker@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Music...!   Well certainly....! I did not know we had other musically inclined members... Have been lucky enough to have owned 2 stratocasters... one  was a japanese version from the early 80's and I swear that neck was the nicest piece of musical craftsmanship I have ever played.  Never ever should have sold all the guitars I have sold through the years..  Had and a slew of Rickenbackers including TWO double neck azureglo Blue 4/6 configurations.   Gibson double neck, a custom built Hamer 8 string Bass and more acoustic guitars than I can remember.   Still use Four Ovation Super Adams 1's and had a plan to recreate the best of the early 1970's progressive rock genre...  Band still has part of a website...  www.progchronicles.com  here's a youtube link to me singing some very old Genesis, recorded live...right here in my small practice room/studio at full volume.....  If your not into "Prog" you won't care for this but the musicianship is excellent...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hulSeyRq6s0&t=13s

Randy

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 2:16 PM Warner Swarner wbswarner@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

Boyd,

Are you kidding me!  You too?  Another Strat lover. There seems to be a common thread here.  Not just bridge bridges,  but guitar bridges.  
We may have a G&D Tribute Rock band on our hands.  The Bridge Brothers or Rail Benders.  At least another excuse to enjoy the interchange.
OK, everybody out of the closet.  How many ex-rockers or guitar Wannabes? are G&D followers?  I confess, I own more guitars than brass engines (ever). I know Russel is a guitarist/vocalist.  I suspect several several others have had more than trains in their garage at one time or another. Any confessions?  The Music/Art/Model Railroad gene seems to be on the same chromosome.  All my closest model RR buddies have been/are musicians.  
Warner



On Jan 13, 2019, at 9:22 AM, boydw7@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Dave, as you can tell by our crowing both Randy and I are having the time of our lives. Haven't had s much fun since I got my first Fender Stratocaster in 1973. Although I learned to play that dream didn't pan out and I'm glad it didn't. Looks like this G&D dream is gonna happen. I have a pic of a temporary mirror at the Great Divide yard in the Gorre Northern album. Looks like the Cold Shoulder mirror will work and maybe Andrews. I don't have much of a Devil's Gulch on my pike but maybe a large mirror would work behind the corner curves that preceed my French Gulch...I'll take a look at that. I am now working in the high line above Port and the sweeping curve behind the roundhouse and then down over the yard to connect to the line from Angels Camp. Boyd

Re: Musical thread?

Bob Friddle
 

Get. The. F. out of here! Is that really you singing Randy? Great voice, great version of a great song, I so enjoyed that!!! Progressive rock has always been my favorite; I went to college sitting in front of genesis tour guitarist Daryl Steurmer with his jazz rock band oceans in Milwaukee (he plays a mean Firth of fifth). And so many concerts with yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, and the like. Wish I could play at that level, but I have a Lotta fun for sure and I will post a video when I can dig up the link. Reminds me of a conversation I had with the owner of Barr Mills at the narrow gauge convention here this fall, he is a bass player in a couple of bands, truly multi talented and a great guy.

Thanks, Randy, You really made my day! Are there more videos?


Bob Friddle

Gabrielle lines

Minneapolis


On Jan 13, 2019, at 1:42 PM, Randy Decker randyleedecker@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Music...!   Well certainly....! I did not know we had other musically inclined members... Have been lucky enough to have owned 2 stratocasters... one  was a japanese version from the early 80's and I swear that neck was the nicest piece of musical craftsmanship I have ever played.  Never ever should have sold all the guitars I have sold through the years..  Had and a slew of Rickenbackers including TWO double neck azureglo Blue 4/6 configurations.   Gibson double neck, a custom built Hamer 8 string Bass and more acoustic guitars than I can remember.   Still use Four Ovation Super Adams 1's and had a plan to recreate the best of the early 1970's progressive rock genre...  Band still has part of a website...  www.progchronicles.com  here's a youtube link to me singing some very old Genesis, recorded live...right here in my small practice room/studio at full volume.....  If your not into "Prog" you won't care for this but the musicianship is excellent...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hulSeyRq6s0&t=13s

Randy

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 2:16 PM Warner Swarner wbswarner@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

Boyd,

Are you kidding me!  You too?  Another Strat lover. There seems to be a common thread here.  Not just bridge bridges,  but guitar bridges.  
We may have a G&D Tribute Rock band on our hands.  The Bridge Brothers or Rail Benders.  At least another excuse to enjoy the interchange.
OK, everybody out of the closet.  How many ex-rockers or guitar Wannabes? are G&D followers?  I confess, I own more guitars than brass engines (ever). I know Russel is a guitarist/vocalist.  I suspect several several others have had more than trains in their garage at one time or another. Any confessions?  The Music/Art/Model Railroad gene seems to be on the same chromosome.  All my closest model RR buddies have been/are musicians.  
Warner



On Jan 13, 2019, at 9:22 AM, boydw7@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Dave, as you can tell by our crowing both Randy and I are having the time of our lives. Haven't had s much fun since I got my first Fender Stratocaster in 1973. Although I learned to play that dream didn't pan out and I'm glad it didn't. Looks like this G&D dream is gonna happen. I have a pic of a temporary mirror at the Great Divide yard in the Gorre Northern album. Looks like the Cold Shoulder mirror will work and maybe Andrews. I don't have much of a Devil's Gulch on my pike but maybe a large mirror would work behind the corner curves that preceed my French Gulch...I'll take a look at that. I am now working in the high line above Port and the sweeping curve behind the roundhouse and then down over the yard to connect to the line from Angels Camp. Boyd

Re: David (Dry Gulch &Western)

Warner Swarner
 

David, (and any Northwest G&D fans) 
I love seeing photos of your Dry Gulch & Western layout progressing, your vertical scenery and hearing stories of running trains.  (Not to mention Boyd’s progress nearing trains running.)  Is your layout open for visitors at all this spring, David?    If I recall correctly you are somewhere in the Northwest but I can’t remember where.  There is an Sn3 convention in early April around Seattle and we plan to attend and see some of the Seattle area layouts then. 
(I so wish we were close to Randy in upstate New York, to visit his developing layout.)
Are there any other tribute layouts under construction or operational in the west coast region at this point?  
My layout (G gauge) will be on regular Portland summer Garden Ry tour June 15 and the national garden railway convention tours in August (NGRC2019.org) . You can see some of our local layouts on the convention website.  Though my layout is not a JA tribute design, I have tried to capture the G&D flavor on the Bearspaw Southern.  We will host several operating sessions this summer on my outdoor division, if you or any northwest G&D fans (Russell, Boyd or others nearby) want some fresh air and exercise you would be welcome to be operators.  It is Over 2000’ of track here, (battery/radio control) and it involves a fair amount of walking with your train. 
Would love to see your progress but I’ve forgotten your location and email. 
Great conversations you guys.  
Warner






On Jan 13, 2019, at 5:04 PM, dave hi61izq@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Hi All,

Tom is the winner with the station at Andrews.  My station doesn't exist, only a 5 sided freight station.  The passenger station is technically off the layout but I might install a low relief one in South Allentown.

David (Dry Gulch & Western)


On Sunday, January 13, 2019 2:53 PM, "Randy Decker randyleedecker@... [GandD]" <GandD@...> wrote:


 
I see it in the photo section...  !  Very got it....    Earlier I went to file section and tried to open whatever you have there and it does not even seem to recognize anything is there..?   Anyway...       The photo is very cool.   Andrews is not so far off this little game anyway, really.  Ya have to wonder if this is how he came up with the game...  after seeing this I will have to actually consider this....  Very clever indeed Tom...  !    
 
Does anyone know when... or why... John built this game...?  I wonder if he was going to use it as a teaching tool for operators when they came and it was so much fun it sort of morphed into a game board with a set of rules..  or if he just liked the topic of switching so much he dreamed it up for fun?    Don?    Anyone?   

  Tom....  I see you've beaten me to recreating the Andrews Station as well.   (I bet David has as well..)  I can't see all of it but that really looks great.... and quite accurate... !    I am finding John used cardboard and paper brick all over the place...  I hate paper siding but I'll be damned if it don't look like a million bucks from just 3 feet away...!   

Randy

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 4:16 PM pr-line@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 
Hi Randy,

It opens for me. Are you receiving an error message? You'll need Adobe Acrobat Reader.

I can just email you the PDF file. Let me know.

Tom


Re: Tom's Andrews and other homages.

David
 

Hi All,

Tom is the winner with the station at Andrews.  My station doesn't exist, only a 5 sided freight station.  The passenger station is technically off the layout but I might install a low relief one in South Allentown.

David (Dry Gulch & Western)


On Sunday, January 13, 2019 2:53 PM, "Randy Decker randyleedecker@... [GandD]" wrote:


 
I see it in the photo section...  !  Very got it....    Earlier I went to file section and tried to open whatever you have there and it does not even seem to recognize anything is there..?   Anyway...       The photo is very cool.   Andrews is not so far off this little game anyway, really.  Ya have to wonder if this is how he came up with the game...  after seeing this I will have to actually consider this....  Very clever indeed Tom...  !    
 
Does anyone know when... or why... John built this game...?  I wonder if he was going to use it as a teaching tool for operators when they came and it was so much fun it sort of morphed into a game board with a set of rules..  or if he just liked the topic of switching so much he dreamed it up for fun?    Don?    Anyone?   

  Tom....  I see you've beaten me to recreating the Andrews Station as well.   (I bet David has as well..)  I can't see all of it but that really looks great.... and quite accurate... !    I am finding John used cardboard and paper brick all over the place...  I hate paper siding but I'll be damned if it don't look like a million bucks from just 3 feet away...!   

Randy

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 4:16 PM pr-line@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 
Hi Randy,

It opens for me. Are you receiving an error message? You'll need Adobe Acrobat Reader.

I can just email you the PDF file. Let me know.

Tom


Re: Tom's Andrews

Tom Hokel (Pine Ridge RR)
 

Thanks for the nice comments, Russell.

No this hasn't been published. I could approach Joe Fugate to see if he's interested.

I have a Rix uncoupling tool, too. Seems like I was always knocking the cars off the rails.

I forgot to mention … I spray my couplers (trucks and wheels, too) a thin coat of thinned Railroad Tie Brown with a drop or two of white. I had been painting them full strength. I've been using the Kadee scale whisker couplers. So far, so good.

You could build a timesaver with longer spurs, which would be much easier to operate ,,, and still fun … and prototypical.

Tom

Re: Tom's Andrews and other homages.

Randy Decker <randyleedecker@...>
 

I see it in the photo section...  !  Very got it....    Earlier I went to file section and tried to open whatever you have there and it does not even seem to recognize anything is there..?   Anyway...       The photo is very cool.   Andrews is not so far off this little game anyway, really.  Ya have to wonder if this is how he came up with the game...  after seeing this I will have to actually consider this....  Very clever indeed Tom...  !    
 
Does anyone know when... or why... John built this game...?  I wonder if he was going to use it as a teaching tool for operators when they came and it was so much fun it sort of morphed into a game board with a set of rules..  or if he just liked the topic of switching so much he dreamed it up for fun?    Don?    Anyone?   

  Tom....  I see you've beaten me to recreating the Andrews Station as well.   (I bet David has as well..)  I can't see all of it but that really looks great.... and quite accurate... !    I am finding John used cardboard and paper brick all over the place...  I hate paper siding but I'll be damned if it don't look like a million bucks from just 3 feet away...!   

Randy

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 4:16 PM pr-line@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

Hi Randy,

It opens for me. Are you receiving an error message? You'll need Adobe Acrobat Reader.

I can just email you the PDF file. Let me know.

Tom

Re: Randy's photos

David
 

Randy and Boyd-

Yes, layout building is a lot of fun especially since it is a great learning experience.  I have learned a lot from building my railroad.  Some things I never want to do again!  Good sturdy bench work is always a plus.  I admit now that I have most of the rough in scenery in place it harder to get around underneath the layout.  Seems like flat hidden places attract all sorts of things (Christmas decorations, plastic crates with things my wife just can't live without yet have been stored under the layout for 5-10 years, all my structure kits that have yet to be built).  I now spend a bit of time moving things before I can do the work.  Such is life.  I remember when there wasn't any scenery I was able to just "walk" across the bench work to get to the location where I was working.

Randy- I didn't do the elevated line that traveled across Great Divide, I ran the track around and behind it.  It eventually comes out of a mountain directly behind my "future city" called Ellison.  A few feet further and that is where I have my 3 track staging yard.  The line continues along the wall to South Allentown.  For me, this arrangement worked a lot better, not quite the way the original GD was mapped out but made that route a little more useful for my railroad.  It adds for better operational capabilities.

Boyd- The mirrors are difficult to place and get the correct angle to reflect the right things in them.  The large mirror in the corner behind my version of Scalp mountain was tough.  It had to be at the right height to clear any images of the trains running in front of it while providing the correct reflection of the mountains on each side of the mirror.  I couldn't get the Akin/Nika image to appear in the mirror, my town was just placed a little too low.  If I would have bumped the town up a bit then I would have gotten the image but then the surrounding mountains next to the town would have looked to small to be sized properly.  I also had to adjust for the room corner, as you know no room corner is exactly 90 degrees.  The whole layout is like a game of inches or millimeters.  I found that out when I built my two level station.  I wanted a little more track separation in height (sometimes a good thing) for the tunnel entrance but that screwed me up when trying to build an exact copy of the two level station (Corsa/X Junction).  I finally gave up and went with the one I built, it suffices to give the general flavor of the original.  A learning experience!

One thing I suggest is that you can try to set up some operating as soon as possible.  If you can invite some friends over to run trains.  That will bring out the gremlins that are lurking in the corners.  I found that out when I began really operating the layout.  Yes, I would run trains but I would get in the habit of "accepting" derailments or stalling locomotives or faulty couplers.  When I had an operating session those problems came out and needed to be fixed.  That got me going on maintenance, the never ending list.  Now when I work on scenery I spend a good deal of time fixing some of the maintenance issues that come up with just scenery work.  Everyone knows what ballasting does to good operating track.  I remember an article written by Ron Kuykendall and his layout.  The layout didn't have name but he never ballasted the track, now I know why!

You two guys keep working on your respective railroads, you will have years of enjoyment from them, well, except for cleaning track ballast out of turnout switch points...  Did I mention how track feeder connections can come loose when you are trying to clean the rails?  Gremlins, they are everywhere.

David (Dry Gulch & Western)


On Sunday, January 13, 2019 9:22 AM, "boydw7@... [GandD]" wrote:


 
Dave, as you can tell by our crowing both Randy and I are having the time of our lives. Haven't had s much fun since I got my first Fender Stratocaster in 1973. Although I learned to play that dream didn't pan out and I'm glad it didn't. Looks like this G&D dream is gonna happen. I have a pic of a temporary mirror at the Great Divide yard in the Gorre Northern album. Looks like the Cold Shoulder mirror will work and maybe Andrews. I don't have much of a Devil's Gulch on my pike but maybe a large mirror would work behind the corner curves that preceed my French Gulch...I'll take a look at that. I am now working in the high line above Port and the sweeping curve behind the roundhouse and then down over the yard to connect to the line from Angels Camp. Boyd


Re: Tom's Andrews and other homages.

Russell Courtenay
 

I notice Yahoogroups links in emails don't always work anymore, when I clicked on it, I was sent to the files section and had to click again on the file to open it. Many times I just get sent to Yahoo!'S homepage. 

If you go to the group homepage, you can then navigate to the files section and see the name of Tom's document to click on. You will need a PDF reader if it is not built into your operating system (I use Apple devices so have stopped downloading Acrobat reader). 

Here is a direct link to the files section:

On Jan 13, 2019, at 2:14 PM, pr-line@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

Hi Randy,

It opens for me. Are you receiving an error message? You'll need Adobe Acrobat Reader.

I can just email you the PDF file. Let me know.

Tom

Re: Musical thread?

Gary Mackin
 

Trombone, sax and drums... poorly

Gary

Re: Tom's Andrews

Russell Courtenay
 

Tom,

That is really a great little article! Thanks so much for posting it. Has this been published in a magazine? It seems of the quality and style that it could (should) be published, taking a model railroad finance tip from Mr. Allen himself! 

Of course his other one is not smoking which I embrace heartily! I told my wife: 'I ought to take up smoking so I can quit and look at all the money we could save for the model railroad budget!'  Of course ALL that got was 'No'. :^)

A lot of useful details there for making it work with modern electronics I hadn't thought of. I am trying to eliminate all under layout wiring possible on my sectional O scale; currently wired for standard DC but I plan on setting up all my locos for Dead Rail. 

For uncoupling I saved my Rix Uncoupling tool from my HO days https://rixproducts.com/product/rix-uncoupling-tool-ho/ for On30 and plan on building something similar for O scale, I have had difficulty getting uncoupling picks to work without a flashlight (I know they now make lighted picks). 

I really like Kadee's new scale couplers in O, look beautiful and work well, thinking of staining rather than painting them if necessary...

On Jan 13, 2019, at 1:21 PM, pr-line@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

Russell,

 

I posted a PDF file of my Timesaver in the “Files” section in the Pine Ridge RR folder. I wrote this a few years ago, so a few things have changed. I also posted some photos in the Pine Ridge RR album.

 

I purchased a Kadee power supply (wall wart) for their Electric Under-the-Track #309 uncoupler, but I see now that they have discontinued it. I plan to use my MRC 6200 transformer for my G and S gauge suspended shelf loop.

 

I tested their suggested approach for using the #309 on HOn3 track. You reverse the coil plates. They only work with their #714 couplers not the N-scale couplers. Kadee hadn’t tested them. Kadee now offer s an HOn3 & N #708 electric between-the- rails (not under the ties) uncoupler.

 

I can still use an uncoupler pick, if I want to forego the magnetic uncoupler. If I wanted to, I could use cars with Baker or Sargent couplers … just for kicks.

 

I’m currently using brown thumbtacks to mark the center of the uncouplers. One of the industries that will be serviced is a half-buried oil tank car. I plan to build the FMS Rock Bunker kit and place it at the end of the station spur.

 

The power on the Timesaver and the mainline across the high bridge and through the tunnel to Rand can also be switched from the layout’s Digitrax system to the NEC Power Cab. This allows the Timesaver to be used as a programming track. I find that the NCE is a little easier to program than the Digitrax. It also allows me to be “bi-DCC-lingual.” I know … I need to use DecoderPro.

 

I built the code 100 Atlas SnapTrack version of the TS back in the 1990s. It was good for testing locos, cars and couplers. At that time I was “layout-less.” I was starting to get the hang of it. I didn’t incorporate the forward-off-backward toggle switch. 

 

I wish that I could find the article or reader’s comment on the TS. I believe that a conductor wrote it. John didn’t invent the TS. It was developed out of necessity in that by adding a couple of bypass switches to a spur, cars that were being loaded/uploaded could be bypassed to get to cars that were ready to be moved; thus saving a great deal time.

 

Tip: don’t try operating the Timesaver while standing up!


Tom

 

Re: redux: John's sound system

Russell Courtenay
 

Pretty cool to see that, it's what I thought; one circuit with a few auxiliary parts. Anyone have some video or audio of one of these in operation?

Russell Courtenay


On Jan 13, 2019, at 8:19 AM, ldandpj@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

if you'd like to see exactly the steam sound system that John tried (book sez he installed one, no more) check out this eBay listing: 312426792362 for a Modeltronics sound module. Just paste this listing number into the eBay search line and it should take you there. Very advanced features for the day, and it did use an axle cam to sync the exhaust chuffs.


Lowell Dorman

Re: Tom's Andrews and other homages.

Tom Hokel (Pine Ridge RR)
 

Hi Randy,

It opens for me. Are you receiving an error message? You'll need Adobe Acrobat Reader.

I can just email you the PDF file. Let me know.

Tom

Re: New file uploaded to GandD

Kurt Youngmann
 

Having been a member of this group for quite a few years I’ve been surprised recently, when trying to access files, to receive messages that state either, "Oops! You need to be a member to perform this action.” or, “Restricted Group.” I had posted about this problem several days ago but I don’t believe it went through.

I’d appreciate some advice on how to get back to accessing files if anyone has any thoughts.

Thanx,

Kurt Youngmann 

On Jan 13, 2019, at 1:18 PM, GandD@... wrote:

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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You can access this file at the URL:
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Re: Tom's Andrews and other homages.

Randy Decker <randyleedecker@...>
 

I can't open that file Tom,   Is it something I am doing?  I'd like to see that timesaver built into an area.  

Randy   

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 3:26 PM pr-line@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

Russell,

 

I posted a PDF file of my Timesaver in the “Files” section in the Pine Ridge RR folder. I wrote this a few years ago, so a few things have changed. I also posted some photos in the Pine Ridge RR album.

 

I purchased a Kadee power supply (wall wart) for their Electric Under-the-Track #309 uncoupler, but I see now that they have discontinued it. I plan to use my MRC 6200 transformer for my G and S gauge suspended shelf loop.

 

I tested their suggested approach for using the #309 on HOn3 track. You reverse the coil plates. They only work with their #714 couplers not the N-scale couplers. Kadee hadn’t tested them. Kadee now offer s an HOn3 & N #708 electric between-the- rails (not under the ties) uncoupler.

 

I can still use an uncoupler pick, if I want to forego the magnetic uncoupler. If I wanted to, I could use cars with Baker or Sargent couplers … just for kicks.

 

I’m currently using brown thumbtacks to mark the center of the uncouplers. One of the industries that will be serviced is a half-buried oil tank car. I plan to build the FMS Rock Bunker kit and place it at the end of the station spur.

 

The power on the Timesaver and the mainline across the high bridge and through the tunnel to Rand can also be switched from the layout’s Digitrax system to the NEC Power Cab. This allows the Timesaver to be used as a programming track. I find that the NCE is a little easier to program than the Digitrax. It also allows me to be “bi-DCC-lingual.” I know … I need to use DecoderPro.

 

I built the code 100 Atlas SnapTrack version of the TS back in the 1990s. It was good for testing locos, cars and couplers. At that time I was “layout-less.” I was starting to get the hang of it. I didn’t incorporate the forward-off-backward toggle switch. 

 

I wish that I could find the article or reader’s comment on the TS. I believe that a conductor wrote it. John didn’t invent the TS. It was developed out of necessity in that by adding a couple of bypass switches to a spur, cars that were being loaded/uploaded could be bypassed to get to cars that were ready to be moved; thus saving a great deal time.

 

Tip: don’t try operating the Timesaver while standing up!


Tom

 

Re: Musical thread?

Randy Decker <randyleedecker@...>
 

Music...!   Well certainly....! I did not know we had other musically inclined members... Have been lucky enough to have owned 2 stratocasters... one  was a japanese version from the early 80's and I swear that neck was the nicest piece of musical craftsmanship I have ever played.  Never ever should have sold all the guitars I have sold through the years..  Had and a slew of Rickenbackers including TWO double neck azureglo Blue 4/6 configurations.   Gibson double neck, a custom built Hamer 8 string Bass and more acoustic guitars than I can remember.   Still use Four Ovation Super Adams 1's and had a plan to recreate the best of the early 1970's progressive rock genre...  Band still has part of a website...  www.progchronicles.com  here's a youtube link to me singing some very old Genesis, recorded live...right here in my small practice room/studio at full volume.....  If your not into "Prog" you won't care for this but the musicianship is excellent...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hulSeyRq6s0&t=13s

Randy

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 2:16 PM Warner Swarner wbswarner@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

Boyd,

Are you kidding me!  You too?  Another Strat lover. There seems to be a common thread here.  Not just bridge bridges,  but guitar bridges.  
We may have a G&D Tribute Rock band on our hands.  The Bridge Brothers or Rail Benders.  At least another excuse to enjoy the interchange.
OK, everybody out of the closet.  How many ex-rockers or guitar Wannabes? are G&D followers?  I confess, I own more guitars than brass engines (ever). I know Russel is a guitarist/vocalist.  I suspect several several others have had more than trains in their garage at one time or another. Any confessions?  The Music/Art/Model Railroad gene seems to be on the same chromosome.  All my closest model RR buddies have been/are musicians.  
Warner



On Jan 13, 2019, at 9:22 AM, boydw7@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Dave, as you can tell by our crowing both Randy and I are having the time of our lives. Haven't had s much fun since I got my first Fender Stratocaster in 1973. Although I learned to play that dream didn't pan out and I'm glad it didn't. Looks like this G&D dream is gonna happen. I have a pic of a temporary mirror at the Great Divide yard in the Gorre Northern album. Looks like the Cold Shoulder mirror will work and maybe Andrews. I don't have much of a Devil's Gulch on my pike but maybe a large mirror would work behind the corner curves that preceed my French Gulch...I'll take a look at that. I am now working in the high line above Port and the sweeping curve behind the roundhouse and then down over the yard to connect to the line from Angels Camp. Boyd

Re: Tom's Andrews and other homages.

Tom Hokel (Pine Ridge RR)
 

Russell,

 

I posted a PDF file of my Timesaver in the “Files” section in the Pine Ridge RR folder. I wrote this a few years ago, so a few things have changed. I also posted some photos in the Pine Ridge RR album.

 

I purchased a Kadee power supply (wall wart) for their Electric Under-the-Track #309 uncoupler, but I see now that they have discontinued it. I plan to use my MRC 6200 transformer for my G and S gauge suspended shelf loop.

 

I tested their suggested approach for using the #309 on HOn3 track. You reverse the coil plates. They only work with their #714 couplers not the N-scale couplers. Kadee hadn’t tested them. Kadee now offer s an HOn3 & N #708 electric between-the- rails (not under the ties) uncoupler.

 

I can still use an uncoupler pick, if I want to forego the magnetic uncoupler. If I wanted to, I could use cars with Baker or Sargent couplers … just for kicks.

 

I’m currently using brown thumbtacks to mark the center of the uncouplers. One of the industries that will be serviced is a half-buried oil tank car. I plan to build the FMS Rock Bunker kit and place it at the end of the station spur.

 

The power on the Timesaver and the mainline across the high bridge and through the tunnel to Rand can also be switched from the layout’s Digitrax system to the NEC Power Cab. This allows the Timesaver to be used as a programming track. I find that the NCE is a little easier to program than the Digitrax. It also allows me to be “bi-DCC-lingual.” I know … I need to use DecoderPro.

 

I built the code 100 Atlas SnapTrack version of the TS back in the 1990s. It was good for testing locos, cars and couplers. At that time I was “layout-less.” I was starting to get the hang of it. I didn’t incorporate the forward-off-backward toggle switch. 

 

I wish that I could find the article or reader’s comment on the TS. I believe that a conductor wrote it. John didn’t invent the TS. It was developed out of necessity in that by adding a couple of bypass switches to a spur, cars that were being loaded/uploaded could be bypassed to get to cars that were ready to be moved; thus saving a great deal time.

 

Tip: don’t try operating the Timesaver while standing up!


Tom

 

Re: Musical thread?

Bob Friddle
 

Oh boy, how fun is that!? Tele, Fender acoustic and Gibson ES 135 1964 hollow body electric here. Train kept arolling all night long! 
Bob friddle 

On Jan 13, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Warner Swarner wbswarner@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Boyd,

Are you kidding me!  You too?  Another Strat lover. There seems to be a common thread here.  Not just bridge bridges,  but guitar bridges.  
We may have a G&D Tribute Rock band on our hands.  The Bridge Brothers or Rail Benders.  At least another excuse to enjoy the interchange.
OK, everybody out of the closet.  How many ex-rockers or guitar Wannabes? are G&D followers?  I confess, I own more guitars than brass engines (ever). I know Russel is a guitarist/vocalist.  I suspect several several others have had more than trains in their garage at one time or another. Any confessions?  The Music/Art/Model Railroad gene seems to be on the same chromosome.  All my closest model RR buddies have been/are musicians.  
Warner



On Jan 13, 2019, at 9:22 AM, boydw7@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Dave, as you can tell by our crowing both Randy and I are having the time of our lives. Haven't had s much fun since I got my first Fender Stratocaster in 1973. Although I learned to play that dream didn't pan out and I'm glad it didn't. Looks like this G&D dream is gonna happen. I have a pic of a temporary mirror at the Great Divide yard in the Gorre Northern album. Looks like the Cold Shoulder mirror will work and maybe Andrews. I don't have much of a Devil's Gulch on my pike but maybe a large mirror would work behind the corner curves that preceed my French Gulch...I'll take a look at that. I am now working in the high line above Port and the sweeping curve behind the roundhouse and then down over the yard to connect to the line from Angels Camp. Boyd