Using BMP pressure sensors on HABs - how accurate?


Michael Hojnowski
 

Gang,

I haven't tried in a while, but does anyone use pressure sensors with much success in HABs?  The reason I ask is that I have a pile of BMPxxx sensors and it would be no big deal to add them to a data logger, or other control systems that are altitude oriented.  I tried one years ago, but the formulas I had for converting pressure to altitude were generating wildly different results from the GPS. I just punted at the time.  I've got a bit of renewed interest, now, in having non-GPS oriented ways to test altitude.  It seems that using pressure could be a lot more reliable than hoping I get and maintain a GPS lock, especially if I have other RF activity going on on the payload.

Thoughts?
Mike / KD2EAT


greg@bigredbee.com
 

Coming at this from a high powered rocketry perspective, GPS is going to be a lot more accurate than barometric pressure.  Depending on the particular device you're using, it might be hard to get any sort of meaningful data above 80K'.  For altitude records, we are required to use GPS.

Greg K7RKT TRA #7960

On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 10:17 AM Michael Hojnowski <kd2eat@...> wrote:
Gang,

I haven't tried in a while, but does anyone use pressure sensors with
much success in HABs?  The reason I ask is that I have a pile of BMPxxx
sensors and it would be no big deal to add them to a data logger, or
other control systems that are altitude oriented.  I tried one years
ago, but the formulas I had for converting pressure to altitude were
generating wildly different results from the GPS. I just punted at the
time.  I've got a bit of renewed interest, now, in having non-GPS
oriented ways to test altitude.  It seems that using pressure could be a
lot more reliable than hoping I get and maintain a GPS lock, especially
if I have other RF activity going on on the payload.

Thoughts?
Mike / KD2EAT






Mark Patton
 

Hi Mike,
We fly a baro as a backup for the GPS. We use a MS5611 because it is rated to 11 mbar, or around 100K'.  It's been quite a while, but if I remember right, there were 2-3 calculations based on temperature of the sensor to get from the raw value to mb.  Then there were another 2-3 calculations to get from mb to altitude based on the pressure.  In the end, we got pretty close.  This is a slide that I presented at the GPSL in Granbury TX.  This only goes up to 75K feet.  As it goes up, it gets progressively worse.  If I remember right, it is about 5K' difference at 100K'. Initially, we collected all the data from the sensor, then did the math on the ground. It took a few flights to get it tweaked in.  We don't correct for baro setting before the flight. That only seems to affect it by +-200'.  The goal was to get a good guess of the altitude as a backup so it didn't need to be spot-on.