This is how real men launch their balloons...


Zack Clobes W0ZC
 

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Bruce Coates
 

Wow


Joe WB9SBD
 

I can't believe the abuse of that balloon bad enough people touching it, but grabbing it and pulling on it UG there are better ways to do windy launches.

Joe BW9SBD

On 5/1/2021 8:50 PM, Zack Clobes W0ZC wrote:
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Zack Clobes W0ZC
 

It exceeded the burst calculations by about 10,000'.

Zack

On Sat, May 1, 2021, 10:11 PM Joe WB9SBD <nss@...> wrote:
I can't believe the abuse of that balloon bad enough people touching it, but grabbing it and pulling on it UG there are better ways to do windy launches.

Joe BW9SBD

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Bill Brown
 

Wow...it was in the next county before it cleared 1000 feet !!!

I have a rule which I have violated many times.  If the wind is strong enough to blow the hat off of my head, it is too windy for a balloon launch.

- Bill WB8ELK


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Joe WB9SBD
 

My Hold back method still works great.

Joe wB9SBD

On 5/1/2021 11:39 PM, Bill Brown via groups.io wrote:
Wow...it was in the next county before it cleared 1000 feet !!!

I have a rule which I have violated many times.  If the wind is strong enough to blow the hat off of my head, it is too windy for a balloon launch.

- Bill WB8ELK


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Steve G8KHW / AJ4XE
 

My rule is never launch in winds faster than you can run.

Since age is catching up with me Ive been experimenting with de-reelers (with some success).

    Steve

On 02/05/2021 05:39, Bill Brown via groups.io wrote:
Wow...it was in the next county before it cleared 1000 feet !!!

I have a rule which I have violated many times.  If the wind is strong enough to blow the hat off of my head, it is too windy for a balloon launch.

- Bill WB8ELK


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https://youtu.be/DAqrxds_ioE



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Michael
 

Or maybe a really cool group of ladies...

On May 2, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Steve G8KHW / AJ4XE <steve@...> wrote:



My rule is never launch in winds faster than you can run.

Since age is catching up with me Ive been experimenting with de-reelers (with some success).

    Steve

On 02/05/2021 05:39, Bill Brown via groups.io wrote:
Wow...it was in the next county before it cleared 1000 feet !!!

I have a rule which I have violated many times.  If the wind is strong enough to blow the hat off of my head, it is too windy for a balloon launch.

- Bill WB8ELK


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Steve G8KHW / AJ4XE
 

What do you US guys call that style of launch - I've heard "hail mary" in the past - is that it?  Not sure why?

I guess that's a running hail mary?

    Steve G8KHW

On 02/05/2021 14:30, Michael wrote:
Or maybe a really cool group of ladies...

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On May 2, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Steve G8KHW / AJ4XE <steve@...> wrote:



My rule is never launch in winds faster than you can run.

Since age is catching up with me Ive been experimenting with de-reelers (with some success).

    Steve

On 02/05/2021 05:39, Bill Brown via groups.io wrote:
Wow...it was in the next county before it cleared 1000 feet !!!

I have a rule which I have violated many times.  If the wind is strong enough to blow the hat off of my head, it is too windy for a balloon launch.

- Bill WB8ELK


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Subject: [GPSL] This is how real men launch their balloons...

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Keith Kaiser, WA0̷TJT
 

All those bare hands, exposed finger nails, and watches on arms… its amazing it got into the air at all. Great launch!

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Bill Brown
 

This is my third ever flight in 1989 with surface winds over 20 knots.  You'd think I would learn from this not to launch in high winds, but I didn't :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ0f0Hy5ZH8&t=60s

We almost took out the camera woman as the payload smashed into the field and bounced over her head.

That payload with its original lithium D-cell SAFT batteries still operates today when I power it up for demos after 33 years.

This is how an ideal launch should look like, I don't get these kind of launches very often:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryJeGWmuEz4



- Bill WB8ELK




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Subject: [GPSL] This is how real men launch their balloons...

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Tony Rafaat
 

When we were launching, everyone who was close to the balloon wore cotton or latex gloves.  That video reminded me of our
first launch.  SUPER windy day in SE Alberta and not enough fill!  Terrible combination!  Learned a ton from that failed launch.
You folks certainly had enough fill.
Thanks for sharing!
Tony
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AE5IB (Kip)
 

We had one like that once. When we let it go it took off with such a jerk it broke the line under the parachute. So we lost the balloon and the parachute. None of the payloads left the ground.

We now do tethered launches, where we have a string on the balloon until all the payloads are off the ground. The String goes through a loop and we have two people holding it. One lets go of the string and it takes off. Leaving the string with the other person.

And we do not launch in such wind.

Kip
Ae5IB 

On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 10:10 AM Bill Brown via groups.io <wb8elk=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is my third ever flight in 1989 with surface winds over 20 knots.  You'd think I would learn from this not to launch in high winds, but I didn't :-)


We almost took out the camera woman as the payload smashed into the field and bounced over her head.

That payload with its original lithium D-cell SAFT batteries still operates today when I power it up for demos after 33 years.

This is how an ideal launch should look like, I don't get these kind of launches very often:




- Bill WB8ELK




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Subject: [GPSL] This is how real men launch their balloons...

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Joe WB9SBD
 

EXACTLY!!!!
Thats our what we call out Hold Back line launch. we have been doing that since the 1980's.
We launch is winds like that with 2 people, smooth and effortless.
we even use the hold back even if the wind is only 5 MPh.

Absolutely zero g forces on lines, payloads, anything smooth launch even if the wind is huge!

Joe WB9SBD

On 5/2/2021 10:21 AM, AE5IB (Kip) wrote:
We had one like that once. When we let it go it took off with such a jerk it broke the line under the parachute. So we lost the balloon and the parachute. None of the payloads left the ground.

We now do tethered launches, where we have a string on the balloon until all the payloads are off the ground. The String goes through a loop and we have two people holding it. One lets go of the string and it takes off. Leaving the string with the other person.

And we do not launch in such wind.

Kip
Ae5IB 

On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 10:10 AM Bill Brown via groups.io <wb8elk=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is my third ever flight in 1989 with surface winds over 20 knots.  You'd think I would learn from this not to launch in high winds, but I didn't :-)


We almost took out the camera woman as the payload smashed into the field and bounced over her head.

That payload with its original lithium D-cell SAFT batteries still operates today when I power it up for demos after 33 years.

This is how an ideal launch should look like, I don't get these kind of launches very often:




- Bill WB8ELK




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Subject: [GPSL] This is how real men launch their balloons...

https://youtu.be/DAqrxds_ioE



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Zack Clobes W0ZC
 

We've used gloves in the past, but I can't correlate any performance trends with or without. My gut tells me that skin oils take far more than the typical 90 minutes to become a factor. Jewelry is another story, and I'd warned the handlers to check for sharp objects. As it turned out we had a bunch of first timers watching and as we got outside we needed all hands on deck... Hence some of the extra drama.

As for fill, I knew we were going to be struggling with the winds today so I shed down to minimum payload (1kg), 800g balloon, and dumped the entire bottle into the thing. 

Fortunately the tower cleared us as soon as we were in position and I called for a very quick 3-2-1 release.


Zack


On Sun, May 2, 2021, 10:18 AM Tony Rafaat <trafaat@...> wrote:
When we were launching, everyone who was close to the balloon wore cotton or latex gloves.  That video reminded me of our
first launch.  SUPER windy day in SE Alberta and not enough fill!  Terrible combination!  Learned a ton from that failed launch.
You folks certainly had enough fill.
Thanks for sharing!
Tony
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On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 7:50 PM Zack Clobes W0ZC <zclobes@...> wrote:
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Zack Clobes W0ZC
 

I've done the string tether in the past. Some of you at a GPSL roughly 10 years ago at this very airport might remember my tethers getting looped around the load line, causing a friction burn. It cut the balloon away letting the parachute float back to the ground. Not cool.

Zack

On Sun, May 2, 2021, 10:21 AM AE5IB (Kip) <kiptonm@...> wrote:
We had one like that once. When we let it go it took off with such a jerk it broke the line under the parachute. So we lost the balloon and the parachute. None of the payloads left the ground.

We now do tethered launches, where we have a string on the balloon until all the payloads are off the ground. The String goes through a loop and we have two people holding it. One lets go of the string and it takes off. Leaving the string with the other person.

And we do not launch in such wind.

Kip
Ae5IB 

On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 10:10 AM Bill Brown via groups.io <wb8elk=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is my third ever flight in 1989 with surface winds over 20 knots.  You'd think I would learn from this not to launch in high winds, but I didn't :-)


We almost took out the camera woman as the payload smashed into the field and bounced over her head.

That payload with its original lithium D-cell SAFT batteries still operates today when I power it up for demos after 33 years.

This is how an ideal launch should look like, I don't get these kind of launches very often:




- Bill WB8ELK




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Sent: Sat, May 1, 2021 8:50 pm
Subject: [GPSL] This is how real men launch their balloons...

https://youtu.be/DAqrxds_ioE



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Joe WB9SBD
 

That's why you have the loop in the line, the tether never even gets close to the support line and if it cuts through the loop Great!

Joe WB9SBD

On 5/2/2021 10:46 AM, Zack Clobes W0ZC wrote:
I've done the string tether in the past. Some of you at a GPSL roughly 10 years ago at this very airport might remember my tethers getting looped around the load line, causing a friction burn. It cut the balloon away letting the parachute float back to the ground. Not cool.

Zack

On Sun, May 2, 2021, 10:21 AM AE5IB (Kip) <kiptonm@...> wrote:
We had one like that once. When we let it go it took off with such a jerk it broke the line under the parachute. So we lost the balloon and the parachute. None of the payloads left the ground.

We now do tethered launches, where we have a string on the balloon until all the payloads are off the ground. The String goes through a loop and we have two people holding it. One lets go of the string and it takes off. Leaving the string with the other person.

And we do not launch in such wind.

Kip
Ae5IB 

On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 10:10 AM Bill Brown via groups.io <wb8elk=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is my third ever flight in 1989 with surface winds over 20 knots.  You'd think I would learn from this not to launch in high winds, but I didn't :-)


We almost took out the camera woman as the payload smashed into the field and bounced over her head.

That payload with its original lithium D-cell SAFT batteries still operates today when I power it up for demos after 33 years.

This is how an ideal launch should look like, I don't get these kind of launches very often:




- Bill WB8ELK




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Sent: Sat, May 1, 2021 8:50 pm
Subject: [GPSL] This is how real men launch their balloons...

https://youtu.be/DAqrxds_ioE



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Michael Hojnowski
 

On 5/2/2021 10:04 AM, Steve G8KHW / AJ4XE wrote:

What do you US guys call that style of launch - I've heard "hail mary" in the past - is that it?  Not sure why?

I guess that's a running hail mary?

    Steve G8KHW
Kids today would probably call that a "Yeet!"  hehe

Mike / KD2EAT