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Re: Premature balloon burst thwarts US paper spaceplane attempt • The Register

Joe WB9SBD
 

Or how it was handled pre launch

Joe WB9SBD

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On 10/30/2012 10:35 PM, Mike Manes wrote:
Bummer! Wonder why it blew out low? Not sure what the
neck load or fill might have been.
- Mike

On 10/30/12 6:59 PM, BASE wrote:
Mike,

Sadly, that was a Hwoyee 1600 gram balloon.

Howard

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*From:* Mike Manes 
*To:* GPSL Balloon Reflector 
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:56 PM
*Subject:* [GPSL] Premature balloon burst thwarts US paper spaceplane
attempt • The Register

Bummer.  Better use a Hwoyee 1600 next time?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/29/plane_record/

73 de Mike W5VSI


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Re: Premature balloon burst thwarts US paper spaceplane attempt • The Register

Mike Manes
 

Bummer! Wonder why it blew out low? Not sure what the
neck load or fill might have been.
- Mike

On 10/30/12 6:59 PM, BASE wrote:
Mike,

Sadly, that was a Hwoyee 1600 gram balloon.

Howard

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*From:* Mike Manes <mrmanes@...>
*To:* GPSL Balloon Reflector <GPSL@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:56 PM
*Subject:* [GPSL] Premature balloon burst thwarts US paper spaceplane
attempt • The Register

Bummer. Better use a Hwoyee 1600 next time?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/29/plane_record/

73 de Mike W5VSI


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Re: Premature balloon burst thwarts US paper spaceplane attempt • The Register

BASE
 

Mike,

Sadly, that was a Hwoyee 1600 gram balloon.

Howard


From: Mike Manes
To: GPSL Balloon Reflector
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: [GPSL] Premature balloon burst thwarts US paper spaceplane attempt • The Register

Bummer.  Better use a Hwoyee 1600 next time?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/29/plane_record/

73 de Mike W5VSI


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Premature balloon burst thwarts US paper spaceplane attempt • The Register

Mike Manes
 

Bummer. Better use a Hwoyee 1600 next time?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/29/plane_record/

73 de Mike W5VSI

Re: OFF-TOPIC Winds

Joe WB9SBD
 

The High and it's clockwise rotation I can say ok, could be.  but the low in the southeast,  nah, for two reasons.  first Sandy was already past it. and two sandy's pressure was far lower pressure than the low was. so it would actually be stronger true?

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On 10/30/2012 4:04 PM, BASE wrote:
Joe,
The National Weather Service Hurricane Center discussions attributed the westward curving to a low pressure located over the southeast US 
and "a highly anomalous mid-tropopsheric high pressure area in the vicinity of Newfoundland."  (See HURRICANE SANDY DISCUSSION NUMBER  24 5 AM EDT Sunday October 28: 
 http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2012/al18/al182012.discus.024.shtml?)
The highly anomalous high led to highly anomalous high winds moving the "wrong" way.

            
Howard


From: Joe
To: gpsl
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:46 AM
Subject: [GPSL] OFF-TOPIC Winds

This morning I was thinking,  Yeah I know a scary thing.

But at my latitude roughly 43 degrees. The winds are west to east. and weather systems move this direction also. (ignore the stratosphere here, I'm talking about surface and where 90% of where weather happens)

Now the question is,  Why did the hurricane Sandy make that left had turn in the first place? Why did it not get pushed out into the north Atlantic with the winds.

Joe WB9SBD
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Re: OFF-TOPIC Winds

Mike Manes
 

There was a strong high over Greenland plus that trough that
drove the cold front coming in from the west. So there was
a strong pressure gradient pushing Sandy onshore on the NE coast.

Pretty weird to have a tropical hurricane coexist with a winter
cold front, ergo, "Frankenstorm". Quite likely related to elevated
sea surface temperatures plus some wobbliness in the jet stream
due to loss of polar ice.

My #3 son bailed from his apt in SoHo last night and flopped
at friend's place on upper W side, and moved in with my brother
in Brooklyn today. My sister & her firefighter hubby are trapped
at home by fallen trees blocking the road, and the firehouse is
similarly boxed in. I guess last year's Irene experience gave
'em some hands-on practice.

73 de Mike W5VSI

On 10/30/12 7:46 AM, Joe wrote:
This morning I was thinking, Yeah I know a scary thing.

But at my latitude roughly 43 degrees. The winds are west to east. and
weather systems move this direction also. (ignore the stratosphere here,
I'm talking about surface and where 90% of where weather happens)

Now the question is, Why did the hurricane Sandy make that left had
turn in the first place? Why did it not get pushed out into the north
Atlantic with the winds.

Joe WB9SBD
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Re: OFF-TOPIC Winds

BASE
 

Joe,
The National Weather Service Hurricane Center discussions attributed the westward curving to a low pressure located over the southeast US 
and "a highly anomalous mid-tropopsheric high pressure area in the vicinity of Newfoundland."  (See HURRICANE SANDY DISCUSSION NUMBER  24 5 AM EDT Sunday October 28: 
 http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2012/al18/al182012.discus.024.shtml?)
The highly anomalous high led to highly anomalous high winds moving the "wrong" way.

Howard


From: Joe
To: gpsl
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:46 AM
Subject: [GPSL] OFF-TOPIC Winds

This morning I was thinking,  Yeah I know a scary thing.

But at my latitude roughly 43 degrees. The winds are west to east. and weather systems move this direction also. (ignore the stratosphere here, I'm talking about surface and where 90% of where weather happens)

Now the question is,  Why did the hurricane Sandy make that left had turn in the first place? Why did it not get pushed out into the north Atlantic with the winds.

Joe WB9SBD
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OFF-TOPIC Winds

Joe WB9SBD
 

This morning I was thinking,  Yeah I know a scary thing.

But at my latitude roughly 43 degrees. The winds are west to east. and weather systems move this direction also. (ignore the stratosphere here, I'm talking about surface and where 90% of where weather happens)

Now the question is,  Why did the hurricane Sandy make that left had turn in the first place? Why did it not get pushed out into the north Atlantic with the winds.

Joe WB9SBD
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Re: Certification of uBlox GPS

Harry M
 

The spec sheet says 50k which good for most of us.
 
73 Harry KC5TRB
 
 
 
> As per my previous mail can I point out 60,000 feet (18km) really is too low to say the module is fine for HAB use these days....

Re: Certification of uBlox GPS

greg@bigredbee.com
 

Works in rockets, too!  The Aeropac team from California recently flew a 2-stage rocket containing a NEO-6Q to > 100,000 feet.


Greg K7RKT


On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Anthony Stirk <upuaut@...> wrote:
 

Hi Harry,


You can definitely add the Ublox modules to the list, at least 5 of the top 10 highest flights on ARHAB have used them probably more. One small point the NEO-6M is the cheaper version that uses a crystal, the NEO-6Q (3.3v)/6G (1.8v) use a TCXO although all modules are rated down to -40'C power saving modes are limited on the 6M. The uBLOX MAX6Q (3.3v)/6G (1.8v) also work fine up to 50,000 meters.I believe this has been tested on a GPS simulator too. 

As per my previous mail can I point out 60,000 feet (18km) really is too low to say the module is fine for HAB use these days. 100g latex balloons can do 70,000 feet (21km), we've had 1kg payloads under a 1200g Hwoyee crack 40km (131,000 feet) so personally I couldn't recommend a GPS module that can't work up to and probably above this. 

Cheers,

Anthony M0UPU



On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 2:40 PM, HarryM <hhm_74115@...> wrote:
 

I ran into this balloon video from Spain for validation of the u-blox NEO-6M gps for flight above 60k.
I haven’t checked our ARHAB GPS validation list, but I think we can add the ublox.
 
Early on they are testing the video link. Check out the hole in the roof of the car for testing and later, filling of the big balloon.
 
 
73
Harry KC5TRB


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Re: Certification of uBlox GPS

Anthony Stirk
 

Hi Harry,

You can definitely add the Ublox modules to the list, at least 5 of the top 10 highest flights on ARHAB have used them probably more. One small point the NEO-6M is the cheaper version that uses a crystal, the NEO-6Q (3.3v)/6G (1.8v) use a TCXO although all modules are rated down to -40'C power saving modes are limited on the 6M. The uBLOX MAX6Q (3.3v)/6G (1.8v) also work fine up to 50,000 meters.I believe this has been tested on a GPS simulator too. 

As per my previous mail can I point out 60,000 feet (18km) really is too low to say the module is fine for HAB use these days. 100g latex balloons can do 70,000 feet (21km), we've had 1kg payloads under a 1200g Hwoyee crack 40km (131,000 feet) so personally I couldn't recommend a GPS module that can't work up to and probably above this. 

Cheers,

Anthony M0UPU



On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 2:40 PM, HarryM <hhm_74115@...> wrote:
 

I ran into this balloon video from Spain for validation of the u-blox NEO-6M gps for flight above 60k.
I haven’t checked our ARHAB GPS validation list, but I think we can add the ublox.
 
Early on they are testing the video link. Check out the hole in the roof of the car for testing and later, filling of the big balloon.
 
 
73
Harry KC5TRB


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Certification of uBlox GPS

Harry M
 

I ran into this balloon video from Spain for validation of the u-blox NEO-6M gps for flight above 60k.
I haven’t checked our ARHAB GPS validation list, but I think we can add the ublox.
 
Early on they are testing the video link. Check out the hole in the roof of the car for testing and later, filling of the big balloon.
 
 
73
Harry KC5TRB


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Re: KI6YMZ-4 Launch: 27 Oct

David Stillman KI6YMZ
 

I wish! It will be taking time lapse photos every few seconds looking back at the payload (A red SparkFun box, as per my employer. You know, marketing and all that...). My last launch had 2 GoPros, including one looking up to catch the balloon burst.

I've been looking more recently at live HD video transmitting options, but haven't taken the leap yet. I'm curious what other people are doing in that arena, especially with regards to ballooning. I've been mostly eyeing R/C POV transmitters, but am curious about SSTV and other options.

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 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:27 PM, HarryM <hhm_74115@...> wrote:



Is there any chance the GoPro will be streaming the video to the INet?
 
73
Harry KC5TRB



Re: KI6YMZ-4 Launch: 27 Oct

Harry M
 

Is there any chance the GoPro will be streaming the video to the INet?
 
73
Harry KC5TRB

Re: ufo over kentucky

James Ewen VE6SRV
 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Robert Rochte <rrochte@...> wrote:

So *that's* where my last superpressure balloon went! :D
I thought it was my dry cleaning bag that got away...

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Re: Paper plane record attempt

sbd sbd
 

The register picked up my message about the balloon and have run a story on it.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/26/paper_aircraft_attempt/

 

Good luck to the team

 

 

Steve Daniels

G6UIM

APRSISCE/32 Beta tester and WIKI editor http://aprsisce.wikidot.com

 


From: GPSL@... [mailto:GPSL@...] On Behalf Of Steve Daniels
Sent: 24 October 2012 14:26
To: 'GPSL list'
Subject: [GPSL] Paper plane record attempt

 

 

Seems a group of students at USI are going to attempt to beat the record release of a paper plane altitude

https://sites.google.com/site/usihab2011/

 

APRS callsigns W9MOK and W9MOK-2 for the plane

Launch sometime on the 27th weather permiting

 

Anyone in Indiana with a large pinJ

 

I wish them all the best

 

Steve Daniels

G6UIM

APRSISCE/32 Beta tester and WIKI editor http://aprsisce.wikidot.com

KI6YMZ-4 Launch: 27 Oct

David Stillman KI6YMZ
 

Hello,

I know it's late notice, but I'll be tagging along with the EDGE group and launching an additional balloon with them out of Monument, Colorado on October 27th. It's a 1600g balloon filled with H2, and it on track to go ~100 miles or so.

On board will be an APRS beacon with call KI6YMZ-11 with my chase car call KI6YMZ-7 when digipeater coverage allows. The payload will also have a telemetry downlink on 434.650Mhz. It's 50bps RTTY with a 370Hz shift. If you're in the area and have a receiver capable of USB on 70cm, I encourage you to track the payload, it's in dl-fldigi as KI6YMZ-4. The uploaded data will be sent to this tracking page, which I'll be uploading data to when I'm in cell-tethering range. As insurance (you never know...), there will also be a Spot messenger available for tracking as well.

Launch is scheduled for 09:30 Mountain Time from within the city limits of Monument, CO. There will be a GoPro camera on board to record the events, as well as temperature and barometric pressure that will be logged. Look for a write-up on the SparkFun blog sometime next week with all the pictures and video.

TL;DR tracking links:


Thanks,

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Re: ufo over kentucky

Rochte, Robert
 

So *that's* where my last superpressure balloon went!  :D

-Robert KC8UCH


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:21 PM, <wb8elk@...> wrote:


Very nice cylinder balloon....the most popular choice for most space aliens.

- Bill WB8EK



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Caviezel <kmcaviezel@...>
To: GPSL <gpsl@...>
Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:29 am
Subject: [GPSL] ufo over kentucky




Re: ufo over kentucky

Bill Brown
 

Very nice cylinder balloon....the most popular choice for most space aliens.

- Bill WB8EK


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Caviezel <kmcaviezel@...>
To: GPSL
Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:29 am
Subject: [GPSL] ufo over kentucky

Current packaged GPS options

L. Paul Verhage KD4STH
 

I purchased the high altitude version for my business. I use them in all my flights now.
 
Paul

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: HarryM <hhm_74115@...>
Date: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [GPSL] Current packaged GPS options
To: "L. Paul Verhage" <nearsys@...>


Paul have you tested this in flight?
 
The data sheet says...
Max altitude/velocity Altitude<25,000m(82,021ft) / Velocity<515m/s(1,000knot/hour)
 
Harry KC5TRB



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