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Re: [EOSS] "Balloon" pilot reports

Mark Conner <n9xtn@...>
 

The COS report was the same date as the others for the Detroit flight (Sunday the 22nd), so it wasn't a GPSL balloon.  No balloon PIREPs were found for the 14th.
 
73 de Mark N9XTN

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Manes
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 18:14
Subject: Re: [EOSS] "Balloon" pilot reports

Hi, yawl,

Thanks to Mark for pulling those down.  Kinda surprised that there
weren't more PIREPs during GPSL.

As I read that first one, a Lear Jet LJ60) reported to Denver Center
(ZDV) seeing one at 36,000 ft (FL360) at 0855 MDST (1455Z) 20 mile NW of
the Black Forest VOR (BRK 340020). That VOR is about 2 miles W of
Falcon CO, and about 20 NE of Colo Sprgs.  So that mighta been one of
the GPSL balloons, but not sure which one was still intact at that time.
EOSS-67A was on the deck at 0850, and the rest of the latex bags were
either 'way up there or already descending on 'chutes.  Mighta been
the ES-OS plastic balloon much higher than 36K' at that time, though;
can't tell since the findu log for KC0JHQ-11 isn't time-stamped. Maybe
the PIREP altitude is for the rerporting aircraft rather than the
balloon (tough to estimate unless it's right on the horizon).

The other two were on the incorrect side of the MS River to be ours.

73 de Mike W5VSI

n9xtn@... wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, I searched for "balloon" in yesterday's pilot reports from 1100 to 0300 UTC.  Here are three.
>
> COS UA /OV BRK 340020/TM 1455/FL360/TP LJ60/RM WEATHER BALLOON AT
> FL360...ZDV=
>
> DTW UA /OV CRL/TM 1510/FL310/TP UNKN/RM NUMR ACFT REPORT WX BALLOON
>  FL310-320=
>
> FDY UA /OV FDY135020/TM 1943/FL245/TP UNKN/RM WX BALLOON=
>
> Not sure what the first one is, but the other two are probably the flight from the Detroit launch.  CRL is a VORTAC about 10 miles south of DTW, which is downwind of the last report on FindU.  FDY is Findlay, OH - the location reported is around 100-125 miles south of Detroit.
>
> If you ever wish to do your own hunting for balloon pilot reports, a 7-day PIREP/AIREP archive is at http://www.met.fsu.edu/Data/archive/aircraft/
>
> 73 de Mark N9XTN
>
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Re: [EOSS] "Balloon" pilot reports

Mike Manes <manes@...>
 

Hi, yawl,

Thanks to Mark for pulling those down. Kinda surprised that there
weren't more PIREPs during GPSL.

As I read that first one, a Lear Jet LJ60) reported to Denver Center
(ZDV) seeing one at 36,000 ft (FL360) at 0855 MDST (1455Z) 20 mile NW of
the Black Forest VOR (BRK 340020). That VOR is about 2 miles W of
Falcon CO, and about 20 NE of Colo Sprgs. So that mighta been one of
the GPSL balloons, but not sure which one was still intact at that time.
EOSS-67A was on the deck at 0850, and the rest of the latex bags were
either 'way up there or already descending on 'chutes. Mighta been
the ES-OS plastic balloon much higher than 36K' at that time, though;
can't tell since the findu log for KC0JHQ-11 isn't time-stamped. Maybe
the PIREP altitude is for the rerporting aircraft rather than the
balloon (tough to estimate unless it's right on the horizon).

The other two were on the incorrect side of the MS River to be ours.

73 de Mike W5VSI

n9xtn@... wrote:


Out of curiosity, I searched for "balloon" in yesterday's pilot reports from 1100 to 0300 UTC. Here are three.

COS UA /OV BRK 340020/TM 1455/FL360/TP LJ60/RM WEATHER BALLOON AT
FL360...ZDV=

DTW UA /OV CRL/TM 1510/FL310/TP UNKN/RM NUMR ACFT REPORT WX BALLOON
FL310-320=

FDY UA /OV FDY135020/TM 1943/FL245/TP UNKN/RM WX BALLOON=

Not sure what the first one is, but the other two are probably the flight from the Detroit launch. CRL is a VORTAC about 10 miles south of DTW, which is downwind of the last report on FindU. FDY is Findlay, OH - the location reported is around 100-125 miles south of Detroit.

If you ever wish to do your own hunting for balloon pilot reports, a 7-day PIREP/AIREP archive is at http://www.met.fsu.edu/Data/archive/aircraft/

73 de Mark N9XTN


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Updated web page for NSTAR 03-C

Mark Conner <n9xtn@...>
 

I have enhanced the aerial photos, included ground photos, and
now have a map and flight summary posted to
http://www.nstar.org/#03C. I hope to have video and audio clips
posted by Sunday evening. Kurt KC0HMI got a good photo of the
capsules about 200 ft AGL on the way down, which is featured on
the main page.

Doug KA0O got some telephoto pictures of the landing, which I'm
hoping to see soon (hint, hint, Doug). :)

73 de Mark N9XTN
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Internet capture file

Mark Conner <n9xtn@...>
 

http://www.nstar.org/NSTAR03C/14Jun2003Internet.zip

This file is the Internet feed from 1000Z to 1630Z on the 14th.
It is 6 Mbytes zipped and 16 Mbytes unzipped.

73 de Mark N9XTN

Re: [EOSS] Re: GPSL2003 flight records

Rick von Glahn <rickvg@...>
 

I've placed links to all the participating groups at:

http://gpsl.eoss.org

These links point directly to GPSL 2003 recap pages unless they haven't
been posted yet. In that case the link goes to the home page of the
group.

Your recap page is included, Bill.

BTW, nice pictures. I photoshopped the payoff picture of the ground
below the balloon. Very nice detail hidden away there!

73 -- Rick, NØKKZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Manes [mailto:manes@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:05 PM
To: W. A. Hiscock
Cc: Chris Koehler; GPSL Reflector; EOSS membership reflector
Subject: [EOSS] Re: GPSL2003 flight records


Hi Bill,

It was great meeting with you and your team again this year,
and hope this becomes an annual event! By next year, I hope
to have found a launch site which will alleviate FAA's
concerns, allows for some westerly drift and which is not
much farther from Boulder.

Not that I'm volunteering to host a joint Workshop / GPSL again,
however! That'll be up to another group, I hope.

Rick, EOSS's webmaster and Imperator of the Internet, will
get this email and post your link on ours, and thanks for
plugging EOSS on
yours. With all this new latex and gas flying about, I hope our
friends at the FAA will adopt some more modern methods for
passing our position reports to the sector controllers - I
think we have taken it about as far as we can.

Congratulations on another successful flight, and please
consider posting your future flight announcements on any of
the widely-read ballooning email reflectors. There are
plenty of others out there who will be very interested in
your program, and you can learn about what the rest of us are
doing as well.

73 de Mike W5VSI
Pres EOSS

"W. A. Hiscock" wrote:

Mike:

I want to thank you for running a very successful GPSL. A very
impressive event with six balloons in flight at once! All
our workshop
participants had a great time, and I'm sure more university
ballooning
programs are going to be created because of this event.

I also wanted to let you know that we are assembling all
the data from
our flight (call KD7MFJ-11) on our BOREALIS website. The digital
flight images are already up there. See:

http://physics.montana.edu/borealis/Missions/BOR0306B/index.asp

We'll put up a link for that flight to the EOSS pages
dealing with the
GPSL; you may wish to likewise link to our page.

Cheers,

Bill

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Re: GPSL2003 flight records

Mike Manes <manes@...>
 

Hi Bill,

It was great meeting with you and your team again this year, and hope
this becomes an annual event! By next year, I hope to have found a
launch site which will alleviate FAA's concerns, allows for some
westerly drift and which is not much farther from Boulder.

Not that I'm volunteering to host a joint Workshop / GPSL again,
however! That'll be up to another group, I hope.

Rick, EOSS's webmaster and Imperator of the Internet, will get this
email and post your link on ours, and thanks for plugging EOSS on
yours. With all this new latex and gas flying about, I hope our
friends at the FAA will adopt some more modern methods for passing
our position reports to the sector controllers - I think we have
taken it about as far as we can.

Congratulations on another successful flight, and please consider
posting your future flight announcements on any of the widely-read
ballooning email reflectors. There are plenty of others out there
who will be very interested in your program, and you can learn about
what the rest of us are doing as well.

73 de Mike W5VSI
Pres EOSS

"W. A. Hiscock" wrote:


Mike:

I want to thank you for running a very successful GPSL. A very
impressive event with six balloons in flight at once! All our workshop
participants had a great time, and I'm sure more university ballooning
programs are going to be created because of this event.

I also wanted to let you know that we are assembling all the data from
our flight (call KD7MFJ-11) on our BOREALIS website. The digital flight
images are already up there. See:

http://physics.montana.edu/borealis/Missions/BOR0306B/index.asp

We'll put up a link for that flight to the EOSS pages dealing with the
GPSL; you may wish to likewise link to our page.

Cheers,

Bill

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Professor of Physics (406)-994-4452 (FAX)
Director, Montana Space Grant Consortium hiscock@...
261A EPS Building KD7MFF
Montana State University
Bozeman, MT 59717-3840
http://www.physics.montana.edu/faculty/hiscock
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Re: Counting balloons

Mike Manes <manes@...>
 

Hi Mark,

A couple of time during the flight, I connected to BALNOD, the
K-node on W5VSI-11, and did a JHeard list - just locals and other
GPSL balloons. Murphy appears to have a strong hand in this EBBE
business!

Try us again on 12 July and 2 Aug -- we will have at least 2 balloons
up on each of those flights, and one will be carrying the W5VSI-11 TNC.

73 de Mike W5VSI

Mark Conner wrote:


Mike,

I don't think any of the other payloads were set to digipeat via
NSTAR. I checked the MHEARD log and the only callsign heard
other than those on the chase was W0RPK. I went through two log
captures on 144.34 (W0RPK and my home station) and nothing that
way either.

We only got to 81,000 ft, which was a ways short for a 1200g
Kaysam.

73 de Mark N9XTN

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Manes" <manes@...>
To: <GPSL@...>; "Mark Conner N9TXN"
<mconner1@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 15:41
Subject: Re: [GPSL] Counting balloons

Hi Mark,

As you probably know by now, the only GPSL digi-capable TNC on
144.34
was W5VSI-11, and we stalled out at 47K' and had to cut down
early.
However, you might have heard any of these other beacons, all
of
which hit 90k'+: KD7MFJ-11 (Mt. State), KD4STH-11, -9 or
KD7HGS-11
(TVNSP) also time-slotted on 144.34.

EBBE remains vexingly elusive!

73 de Mike W5VSI

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Re: [EOSS] Re: GPSL2003 flight records

Mark Conner <n9xtn@...>
 

I have captured the entire Internet feed for the GPSL flights - this will included anything received at the I-gates but perhaps not saved by FindU (telemetry frames, etc.).  If anyone is interested I'll make it available.  It's about 6 Mbytes zipped.
 
73 de Mark N9XTN

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 20:05
Subject: Re: [EOSS] Re: [GPSL] GPSL2003 flight records

Not to worry, it's on findu.com and you can get it.

Try this:

http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/raw.cgi?call=kd4sth-11&start=96&length=48&time=1
or

http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/raw.cgi?call=kc0jhq-11&start=96&length=48&time=1

note that you'll need to adjust the start and length
time (in hours ) relative to what time you are making
the query.

Thanks to Bill Beach for cluing me in to this
capbility of findu.com.

- KMC kc0jhq





--- Mike Manes <manes@...> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I've zipped up the unexpurgated log file from the
> EOSS67 Ground Station.
> As you can imagine, it's rather cumbersome.
>
> I spent most of the time on 144.34, but QSYed from
> time to time, so
> there are some gaps.  THe biggest gap was between
> yerz trooly's ears,
> however, who neglected to open the log file until
> nearly an hour
> after launch.  But I do show 'STH and 'HGS down to
> under 7000 in
> descent.
>
> Perhaps others out there have logs that can fill in
> the gaps.
>
> 73 de Mike W5VSI
>
> paul.verhage@... wrote:
> >
> > Can someone send me a copy of the TNC logs?  I
> have no APRS
> > data from either of the TVNSP flights, KD4STH-9,
> KD4STH-11, and
> > KD7HGS-11.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Paul
> >
> >
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Re: Counting balloons

Mark Conner <n9xtn@...>
 

Mike,

I don't think any of the other payloads were set to digipeat via
NSTAR. I checked the MHEARD log and the only callsign heard
other than those on the chase was W0RPK. I went through two log
captures on 144.34 (W0RPK and my home station) and nothing that
way either.

We only got to 81,000 ft, which was a ways short for a 1200g
Kaysam.

73 de Mark N9XTN

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Manes" <manes@...>
To: <GPSL@...>; "Mark Conner N9TXN"
<mconner1@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 15:41
Subject: Re: [GPSL] Counting balloons


Hi Mark,

As you probably know by now, the only GPSL digi-capable TNC on
144.34
was W5VSI-11, and we stalled out at 47K' and had to cut down
early.
However, you might have heard any of these other beacons, all
of
which hit 90k'+: KD7MFJ-11 (Mt. State), KD4STH-11, -9 or
KD7HGS-11
(TVNSP) also time-slotted on 144.34.

EBBE remains vexingly elusive!

73 de Mike W5VSI

Re: GPSL2003 flight records

Mike Manes <manes@...>
 

Hi Paul,

I've zipped up the unexpurgated log file from the EOSS67 Ground Station.
As you can imagine, it's rather cumbersome.

I spent most of the time on 144.34, but QSYed from time to time, so
there are some gaps. THe biggest gap was between yerz trooly's ears,
however, who neglected to open the log file until nearly an hour
after launch. But I do show 'STH and 'HGS down to under 7000 in
descent.

Perhaps others out there have logs that can fill in the gaps.

73 de Mike W5VSI

paul.verhage@... wrote:


Can someone send me a copy of the TNC logs? I have no APRS
data from either of the TVNSP flights, KD4STH-9, KD4STH-11, and
KD7HGS-11.

Thanks,
Paul


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Re: Counting balloons

Mike Manes <manes@...>
 

Hi Mark,

As you probably know by now, the only GPSL digi-capable TNC on 144.34
was W5VSI-11, and we stalled out at 47K' and had to cut down early.
However, you might have heard any of these other beacons, all of
which hit 90k'+: KD7MFJ-11 (Mt. State), KD4STH-11, -9 or KD7HGS-11
(TVNSP) also time-slotted on 144.34.

EBBE remains vexingly elusive!

73 de Mike W5VSI

Mark Conner wrote:


NSTAR will have a digipeater on 144.34 with alias NSTAR. If any
of the Colorado balloons flying a 144.34 MHz APRS payload would
like to attempt a digipeat through us, let me know. This won't
be a 2-way QSO record, but simply to see if data can be passed
from one balloon to another over a distance of a few hundred
miles.

We have a somewhat peculiar wind profile forecast for next
Saturday. The NSTAR forecast track is to the northwest about 15
miles, which is OK for us but not by much.

73 de Mark N9XTN

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pfister" <ka0jlf@...>
To: <GPSL@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:12
Subject: Re: [GPSL] Counting balloons


I will try to monitor as best I can. Is there going to be an
EBBE attempt? I might
be able to hit that while mobile.

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Re: GPSL2003 flight records

Rick von Glahn <rickvg@...>
 

Here are the logs gathered by Findu.com. Also included is the log file I
accumulated from my home QTH (full_packet...)

73 -- Rick, NØKKZ

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.verhage@...
[mailto:paul.verhage@...]
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:00 PM
To: GPSL@...
Subject: Re: [GPSL] GPSL2003 flight records


Can someone send me a copy of the TNC logs? I have no APRS
data from either of the TVNSP flights, KD4STH-9, KD4STH-11, and
KD7HGS-11.

Thanks,
Paul

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GPSL2003 flight records

Ralph Wallio, W0RPK <wallio@...>
 

I am sifting through chicken tracks (engineering speak for 'evidence') of
GPSL2003 flights and find a few potential record entries. I will post these
additions when our usual suspects submit required information.

W5VSI-11 Lowest Reported Maximum Altitude 46,595ftASL - ~5,000ftGL =
~41,595ftAGL (5th place)

KD7LMO-11 Highest GPS Reported Altitude 99,288ftASL (11th place)

KD7LMO-11 Shortest Great Circle Distance, Release to Touchdown 2.1miles
(1st place)

KC0JHQ-11 Highest GPS Reported Altitude 106,299ftASL (6th place)

KC0JHQ-11 Longest Mission in Time, Release to Touchdown ~4hrs (~4th place
but APRS data on findu does not include time stamps)

KD4STH-11 Highest GPS Reported Altitude 98,242ftASL (13th place)

There was a 5th balloon stack but I don't know call(s)

Total Missions Flown count increases.

TNX es 73 de Ralph Wallio, W0RPK
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Re: GPSL2003 flight records

paul.verhage@...
 

Can someone send me a copy of the TNC logs? I have no APRS
data from either of the TVNSP flights, KD4STH-9, KD4STH-11, and
KD7HGS-11.

Thanks,
Paul

ANSR-13 at GPSL 2003

kd7lmo <mgray@...>
 

For complete information on the ANSR-13 flight as part of GPSL 2003.

http://www.kd7lmo.net/ansr_13.html

Thanks for the opportunity to participate in GPSL 2003.

73s de ANSR

Michael Gray, KD7LMO
Jack Crabtree, AA0P
Sue Crabtree, N0GUT

NSTAR quick photo album

Mark Conner <n9xtn@...>
 

http://www.nstar.org/NSTAR03C/NSTAR03C-air.html

You can see the balloon shadow in the first two.

The videotape is probably one of the best we've gotten to date.
Good mix of sky and ground through the flight. I think we could
see the chase vehicles in some frames near the end. Pretty
stable, no "excessive" rotation. We were probably within a
couple of minutes of having enough tape to catch the landing.
The next flight will be on a 350g balloon and should get it.

I'll be updating the web site tomorrow (I think - need to mow or
hay-bale my yard, too).

73 de Mark N9XTN

NSTAR 03-C successfully recovered

Mark Conner <n9xtn@...>
 

Only problem today is that the balloon burst at 81K instead of
the expected 98K. Primary and backup beacons and the simplex
repeater all functioned OK - several simplex repeater and digi
contacts noted. The videotape ran to just a few minutes before
touchdown - ran out of tape. I'm headed to Wal-Mart shortly with
the still camera film - we did open the shutter this time.

Thanks to all who logged and chased. We were about 1/4 mi away
at touchdown and saw the landing. I had a brief visual when it
was at 22K and descending, but lost it in the sun thereafter.

73 de Mark N9XTN

Re: WB8ELK Balloon Status

mgray@...
 

Bill,

I'm hoping to have the ANSR cross band repeater setup on an IRLP node. If
I can, you'll be able to connect to reflector node 9255. I just need to
get someone who has a Colorado based IRLP node to reconfigure their radio
for cross mode.

If not, join us on our next ANSR flight on July 5th. We have been running
IRLP on the past few flights.

73s de kd7lmo

On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 wb8elk@... wrote:

Weather is not looking good for Saturday morning here in Alabama so it's
unlikely I'll be able to get something in the air then.....I was wondering if
anyone will have an Echolink gateway set up for any of the balloon frequencies?

I'd love a copy of any videotapes taken during the flights on Saturday...and
the talks on Friday....those of you who tape the event, please contact me and
I'd be happy to cover costs for copies and mailing.

Rick...do you have a Webcam that you can setup on Netmeeting so folks can
watch virtually during the talks?

73s de Bill WB8ELK


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Re: conference

Mike Manes <manes@...>
 

HI Norm,

Wonderful! It'll be great to have you there! ANd no sweat re the
banquet -- I've cancelled it in order to get home and some sleep for
a 0300 departure for Deer Trail ...

73 de Mike

Norman T Kjome wrote:


Hi Mike,

I plan to be at the conference, but will not attend the banquet. I will
plan to be at the launch (now at 7 am!!!!)

Norm
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Re: EOSS-67 launch schedule advanced to 0700 Sat

n9xtn@...
 

Mike,

NSTAR will adjust to match, and although this will mean a bit less sleep for us, going earlier should help us get calmer winds.

Since your launches must be not later than 0700 MDT, can we also assume a not-earlier-than time? We'd like to get as close as possible to your release time. If you set a hard window of 0630-0700 MDT (1230-1300 UTC), we can plan to release at 1245 UTC.

NSTAR will be filing its NOTAM early tomorrow afternoon.

73 de Mark N9XTN