Re: Superpressure balloon valve / was Re: [GPSL] K5NOT-11 WSPR Balloon Failure


I did have these numbers, But it was a long time ago.

The numbers I got I did it by testing a piece of the envelope it's tensile strength, and doing the tons of math to learn what the pressure differential would be.

What was interesting was someone ( do not remember who) actually did flight(s) with a pressure sensor.
The neat part was my measured of material and the math calculations, the number I got was within like 5% of what they measured.


On 7/21/2020 7:39 PM, Dennis Klipa - N8ERF wrote:
I am curious.  Many of us have measured the atmospheric pressure versus altitude.  I have wanted to, but haven't, measured the pressure inside the latex balloon as it rises.  Has anyone measured the pressure differential (inside vs outside) of the latex balloon as a function of altitude?  How much difference are we talking about trying to control with this valve.  If the balloon were a fixed volume you could do the calculation, but the latex balloons are not.

Best Regards,
Dennis Klipa, N8ERF

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 8:23 PM Joe WB9SBD <nss@...> wrote:
It was a 1500 Kaymont balloon.

Knowing the pressure differential is extremely low. When I tested the ping pong ball, I know it leaked badly. The texture of the ball just would not give a good seal.

I went with the silicone on both the "O" ring and the ball.

I also went with a pressure of the spring, Actually a spring I just could not find a spring suitable.  So I used a left over strip of balloon latex, attached to the ball and to a acrylic shaft.

The shaft was rotated to tighten the tension on the ball and seal.

I made it as loose as possible,, just enough to make the seal, and I mean barely!

I was worried that motion would even break the seal. It was that slight.

Even as light as that was,  it was not light enough, the flight still had a standard flight profile with rise to burst altitude, and did still pop.


On 7/21/2020 3:41 PM, Hank Riley via wrote:
Joe, please tell us more.  

Latex or other envelope?  How did it work out for you?  Any special reason for trying this valve method out?  What altitude was reached?   How long did it remain in the air?

On Sunday, July 19, 2020, 09:06:33 AM EDT, Joe wrote:

I did that once. But the ping pong ball surface is too textured and does not make a bubble tight seal. I did a silicone ball and o ring.

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