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Chuck Garrett
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You may want to go over the hill with a moisture meter On Jul 29, 2022, at 4:06 PM, Chris via groups.io <lci_chris@...> wrote:
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Chris
I want to thank all those people who responded to my inquires about a leaky hull. The information about how the mold for the Flicka is laid up in 2 half molds, but not in 2 separate mold gives me a clearer picture about where to look for dampness after haul out. I will follow the weepy moisture from the outside towards the point of entry inside. Allas, I will not be able to grind and seal the leak from the inside as that extreme rear part of the bilge is inaccessible even with the motor removed. However, I am confident that external access will be successful. I will take photos and share with the group what I find.
Chris Quint s/v Kathleen Fay #297 |
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Priscilla Wheatley
This was weird. I was anchored in a gunkhole overnight when a windy storm went through. The water was flat but the wind was pushing the boat around on the anchor. I used the head, then fell asleep. I'm not a napper. When I woke up my feet landed in several inches of water on the cabin sole. It took some thought. I didn't shut the head down after I used it. It was full of water that overflowed and fllled the bilge. The automatic bilge pump didn't have any problems pumping it overboard.
It happened a couple of decades ago. On the coast of Maine there weren't any pumpouts available. |
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Michael Schmidtman
Left and right. Almost all fiberglass boats are made this way. Two halves laid up and then joined at the center line. This centerline is heavily reinforced (in a good boat) along the center. This is stronger than it may seem. I've seen 'glass boats that have been tossed up on rocks during hurricanes, and the center seam doesn't ever seem to fail, even when holes are punched in the sides of the hull. Michael
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 06:06:37 PM PDT, Antonio Martinez <middleriverstudio@...> wrote:
Two halves as in left and right or top and bottom?? On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 9:02 PM billcartwright46 via groups.io <billcartwright46=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Nick D
A leak would leak continuously. Condensation is another way that water can accumulate periodically.
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Just to clarify, a lot of hulls are laid up in molds that have two sides (parts/pieces). Even the mega yachts. Those two “sides are put together PRIOR to starting any lay-up. The hull will (should) be one solid fiberglass structure when it comes out of the mold. The purpose of the two parts is primarily to make the process of pulling the hull from the mold easier. They just unbolt the two halves of the mold, separate them from the new hull, and cart them away on dollies. Think how much those molds weigh, even on a Flicka. Just pulling a hull from a single piece mold would really reap havoc on the pretty little details we love so dearly. Darren Daphne (PSC hull #1) and Island Maiden. On Jul 25, 2022, at 7:01 PM, Morris Parra <vasilikuragin@...> wrote:
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Morris Parra
I took delivery of my boat at Pacific Seacraft in Fullerton, California in 1991. I can only tell you that at the time they were building the Flicka in two halves, port and starboard. My boat was built in two halves. When Pacific Seacraft was bought and moved to Washington, North Carolina, the new owner did not buy the Flicka molds. Somebody else in North Carolina bought the molds for the Flicka. See Flicka Friends Newsletter of June 2013. Name, address and phone number are in that newsletter. I don't know if this is still a going concern. When I bought my Flicka 10 years ago the bilge was dry, but a few years ago small amounts of water began to accumulate. I did vacuum out the bilge for cleaning and I did dry it out but for only a few minutes. Then I noticed a damping occur near the bottom of the bilge in the 'deadwood' area. As I am going to haul out soon I called a few yards for pricing. When I explained the bilge water issue the yard man said he had a Flicka in his yard (Channel Islands Harbor area) just a few months ago. His take was that since the hull has faux strake lines there needed to be two mold halves and when the halves are joined there is the potential for a leak at the seam. |
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mftf47@...
Hi Chris, the Flicka they were telling you about is most likely mine. I purchased it last year on a trailer and launched it recently after refitting. The previous owner had just applied brand new bottom paint so I never closely examined the hull for damage but after two days in the water the hull started “weeping” in a small area about six inches aft of the ballast. Tapping around the weeping area revealed delaminating in about a six inch diameter area. The Boat Yard (Channel Islands Harbor) pulled the boat for me and ground out the suspect area inside and out and built the fiberglass back up. It’s been bone dry for a couple weeks now, as any engineless boat should be. I feel like the boat probably experienced some trailering drama in the past, as the damaged area was right on a roller and when I purchased it I had to replace one axel that the previous owner had made some poor repairs too. The guys at The Boat Yard told me that the hull was probably made in two halves, and with the glass ground down you could see what definitely looked like a seam. I asked this question on the Facebook group and was assured that it was a one piece hull, but I don’t know after seeing mine.
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Antonio Martinez
Two halves as in left and right or top and bottom?? On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 9:02 PM billcartwright46 via groups.io <billcartwright46=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Antonio Martinez
Agree ;-) On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 8:22 PM FlickaFan <ssmith5250@...> wrote:
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billcartwright46
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On Monday, July 25, 2022, 6:29 PM, Chris via groups.io <lci_chris@...> wrote:
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Hi Chris,
I believe that the faux strake lines on the Flicka are merely decorative and have no structural significance. I am not entirely sure but I think that the Flicka is built in 2 pieces: hull and deck, and these are then joined at the hull/deck joint located
just below the wood or aluminum toe rail.
Sounds like you have a slow leak somewhere and these can be hard to track down, but consider a thru-hull, hull deck joint, anchor locker spill over when rode is pulled in, port lights.....wherever water can get in, it will most likely end up in the bilge eventually,
either directly or via the limber holes.
I know for my boat (#304), the bilge stays bone dry in the water, but if I pull in a lot of rode and anchor in different places every day (that requires frequent re-anchoring), then I will get a little water in the bilge from the chain and rope that is pulled
into the locker. Also, if the boat is sitting in the dry yard on it's trailer and there is a whole lot of rain, then some water will work its way into the bilge.
Good luck on finding the source,
Steve
s/v Misty Flicka #304)
From: Flicka20@groups.io <Flicka20@groups.io> on behalf of Chris via groups.io <lci_chris@...>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 4:29 PM To: Flicka20@groups.io <Flicka20@groups.io> Subject: [Flicka20] Leaking Hull #advice When I bought my Flicka 10 years ago the bilge was dry, but a few years ago small amounts of water began to accumulate. I did vacuum out the bilge for cleaning and I did dry it out but for only a few minutes. Then I noticed a damping occur near the bottom
of the bilge in the 'deadwood' area. As I am going to haul out soon I called a few yards for pricing. When I explained the bilge water issue the yard man said he had a Flicka in his yard (Channel Islands Harbor area) just a few months ago. His take was
that since the hull has faux strake lines there needed to be two mold halves and when the halves are joined there is the potential for a leak at the seam.
 My questions are: Was the Flicka hull made up from two halves? Has anyone else experienced this problem for themselves? If yes, how was the repair effected? Was it easy to trace? Any help is appreciated Chris Quint, s/v Kathleen Fay #293 |
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Chris
When I bought my Flicka 10 years ago the bilge was dry, but a few years ago small amounts of water began to accumulate. I did vacuum out the bilge for cleaning and I did dry it out but for only a few minutes. Then I noticed a damping occur near the bottom of the bilge in the 'deadwood' area. As I am going to haul out soon I called a few yards for pricing. When I explained the bilge water issue the yard man said he had a Flicka in his yard (Channel Islands Harbor area) just a few months ago. His take was that since the hull has faux strake lines there needed to be two mold halves and when the halves are joined there is the potential for a leak at the seam.
 My questions are: Was the Flicka hull made up from two halves? Has anyone else experienced this problem for themselves? If yes, how was the repair effected? Was it easy to trace? Any help is appreciated Chris Quint, s/v Kathleen Fay #293 |
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