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Re: FTdx-101MP Impressions

Lou W7HV
 

Yep. I'm not disagreeing, just suggesting a few things I found that work for me in helping ameliorate some of the shortcomings you mentioned.  You might consider joining the FTDX101 contesting group here:

https://groups.io/g/ftdx101contesting


Re: FTdx-101MP Impressions

Scott Ellington <K9ma@...>
 

I'm not sure why bandwidth would affect AGC operation. My issue is that I want the AGC response very flat, so I can hear the weak signals without punishing my ears on the strong ones. Yes, it makes it harder to distinguish the stronger ones in a pileup, so I have to ride the RF gain, but if it reduces hearing damage, it's a price I'm willing to pay. The option to set the AGC slope would accommodate various preferences.

I find even the slowest tuning rate for the MPVD is still way too fast for the rx clarifier. That slowest tuning rate is still 1.125 kHz per revolution. I'd prefer something more like 600. Part of the problem is that the ring is harder to manipulate than a small knob. For example, the small knob on the K3 goes about 500 Hz in one revolution, but it's very easy to control within 10 Hz, yet it's also easy to turn it half a revolution or so. An, no, I don't want to assign the MULTI knob to the clarifier; I need that for power output control.

I overlooked the BAND STACK, so that one is operator error, and I'll take it off the list.

I do have the latest firmware. To their credit, Yaesu did eliminate the faster rise time options, which only lead to key clicks.

Some of these limitations, like the fan cycling, the FTdx-101MP shares with the FT-1000D it replaced. Thankfully, key clicks is not one of them.

73,
Scott K9MA


Re: RTTY Baud rate

Rejean Leveille
 

You can change the shift frequency for FSK from operator RTTY but you will need to use an external decoding program.
Something that I never tried,,

73 Rejean


Re: FTdx-101MP Impressions

Lou W7HV
 

Yep. I'm essentially CW only and I've accumulated a list with 28 entries.

3. AGC.  I find it works better the narrower the WIDTH.  Of course you may not want a narrower WIDTH.

4. Agree. In addition to FUNC/OPERATION SETTINGS/TUNING, DIAL STEP equal 5Hz  you can set  MAIN STEPS and MPVD STEPS per rev to 250.  That provides the slowest tuning rate.

5. Yes. When you change bands, the MODE (incl side band) goes to what was in the BAND STACK memory for that band. There are three BAND STACK MEMORies per band (for both MAIN and SUB), and each of the three can have different modes.  They remember what they last were.

I suggest checking that you're on the 202105 software rev and set CW WAVE SHAPE to 8msec.  In the recent FW releases, Yaesu did make changes in response to customer input, but only a small fraction of those requested. 


RTTY Baud rate

Alan
 

There's an RTTY contest on this weekend. The rules state the baud rate as being 75. Is there any way to make the 101 resolve that on its decode?


FTdx-101MP Impressions

Scott Ellington <K9ma@...>
 

I've only had the radio a week or so, but I'm disappointed in it in may respects. Now, I'm a CW contester, and I'm fussy, so many others will probably not mind what I see as shortcomings. On the other hand, a lot of these issues would concern any serious CW contester. There's no question that the basic performance of the radio, like receiver dynamic range and transmitter IMD, is excellent.

Here's my list:

1. Very loud relays in QSK with separate rx antenna (much quieter with common tx/rx antenna)
 
2. Lack of per band power setting memory
 
3. AGC allows too much audio variation, no setting (this is strictly a personal preference)
 
4. Clarifier with ring control far too sensitive, even with 5 Hz steps
 
5. Sideband changes when changing bands (?)
 
6. Panadapter lacks averaging mode option
 
7. Fan cycles rapidly in rx mode (better to run continuously at low speed)
 
8. No electret microphone bias setting (wiring required)
 
9. Roofing filters do not automatically switch when bandwidth is changed

10. Output power still overshoots about 25 percent at 30 W (latest firmware)

****************
All of these, except the microphone bias, could be fixed in firmware. And the microphone bias is no big deal, as a resistor and capacitor on the mike connector takes care of it. Some of the others, like the clacking relays, I can probably fix temporarily with minor hardware modifications.

It would be nice if Yaesu DID listen to it's customers, or even paid attention to what one of its competitors has done.

73,
Scott K9MA


Re: Temporary Mars Mod?

Ken - K4XL
 

Please forgive me.  I had no idea that gnashing my teeth was so disturbing.  My dentist would probably agree with you and he knows about as much about my ham radio needs as.....oops, there I go gnashing again.
73,
Ken - K4XL


On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 8:16 AM Ron-NE0X story <ne0xron@...> wrote:
Amen

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 2:42 PM Dennis Deaton <mroencontact@...> wrote:
All this teeth-gnashing over a non-issue.  Just solder bridge KS5 to solve the issue of Yaesu's weird 60m setup.  It does not void the warranty unless you screw the pooch with your soldering Iron :)    
73,
Dennis AG7K

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 6:52 AM Ken - K4XL <grimm@...> wrote:
But still obvious and would undoubtedly violate warranty in the US at least!

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 4:27 AM Adrian Fewster <vk4tux@...> wrote:
If it is done with the proper 000R link resistor, then it looks great ;




--
Ken - K4XL
BoatAnchor Manual Archive
BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com



--
Ken - K4XL
BoatAnchor Manual Archive
BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com


Re: Temporary Mars Mod?

Ron-NE0X story
 

Amen


On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 2:42 PM Dennis Deaton <mroencontact@...> wrote:
All this teeth-gnashing over a non-issue.  Just solder bridge KS5 to solve the issue of Yaesu's weird 60m setup.  It does not void the warranty unless you screw the pooch with your soldering Iron :)    
73,
Dennis AG7K

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 6:52 AM Ken - K4XL <grimm@...> wrote:
But still obvious and would undoubtedly violate warranty in the US at least!

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 4:27 AM Adrian Fewster <vk4tux@...> wrote:
If it is done with the proper 000R link resistor, then it looks great ;




--
Ken - K4XL
BoatAnchor Manual Archive
BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com


Re: ZL3DW book

Dennis Deaton
 

Buy the Kindle digital version. Cheaper and instant download. Has good info! If you can't use a tablet or Kindle because it is too technical, you might as well sell your new FTDX101 now and avoid the misery of not being able to set it up😂 

73,
Dennis AG7K


On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 1:59 PM Barry D. Jacobson <bdj@...> wrote:
I don't know how all you guys got book so fast. I ordered from Amazon on Wednesday and they said delivery date next Thurs. 8 days. Paid for fastest shipment offered.

--
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WA2VIU
bdj@...
@bdj_phd

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 2:23 PM paul leach via groups.io <paulbds=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Yes, mine arrived today. Bit of reading for my train journey from north Wales to London next week!


Re: ZL3DW book

Barry D. Jacobson
 

I don't know how all you guys got book so fast. I ordered from Amazon on Wednesday and they said delivery date next Thurs. 8 days. Paid for fastest shipment offered.

--
Barry Jacobson
WA2VIU
bdj@...
@bdj_phd

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 2:23 PM paul leach via groups.io <paulbds=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Yes, mine arrived today. Bit of reading for my train journey from north Wales to London next week!


Re: FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

Gary Schwartz
 

Bill and all

My point was not whether you liked averaging or not as I agree there are pros and cons and personal preferences.  My point is that with the Icom line you have a choice, with Yaesu you don't.  

Gary
K3OS

------ Original Message ------
From: "BILL KENNAMER" <k5fuv@...>
Sent: 6/25/2021 3:00:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FTDX101D] FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

There are some of us who don't like averaging.

K5FUV

On Friday, June 25, 2021, 12:56:14 PM CDT, Gary Schwartz <garysch69@...> wrote:


My bad, you are correct.

Gary

------ Original Message ------
From: "Mr K4ATE" <K4ATE@...>
Sent: 6/25/2021 1:38:42 PM
Subject: Re: [FTDX101D] FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

There are user defined AGC settings on my 101D.







-------- Original message --------
From: Gary Schwartz <garysch69@...>
Date: 6/25/21 1:33 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [FTDX101D] FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

A search through this, the FTdx10 and other forums would show this and similar wish-list topics have been discussed at length.  I observe that the 991, 101d/mp, and dx10 come from the same "mold".  Aside from clearing up glaring faults, I have seen no evidence that Yaesu listens to its' customer base.  It is also true that what one likes, another dislikes.  On the other hand, the Icom philosophy allows the user to set his/her own defaults.  Take averaging for example.  Icom lets you set the amount you want from zero on up.  Similarly it has mode memory, not band memory and user defined AGC settings.  The Yaesu mindset does not allow for this type of personalization.  Based on what we have seen, I would doubt they are going to change.  

Gary
K3OS

------ Original Message ------
From: "Scott Ellington" <K9ma@...>
Sent: 6/25/2021 1:07:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FTDX101D] FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

I'm new to this radio, so I may be missing some settings, but I notice a couple shortcomings of the panadapter:

There seems to be no provision for averaging, making it hard to distinguish weak signals from noise.

In the cursor mode, when you reach the end of the span, it just scrolls until you tune back in the other direction. It would be much more useful if it simply jumped to the next segment, preferably with some overlap. In the fixed mode, it won't scroll at all. 

As an aside, I think the apparently varying frequency in the fixed or cursor mode is an artifact of the way those modes are implement. (The Elecraft P3 does the same thing.) I suspect the display is inherently always in the Center mode, so for Fixed or Cursor modes the display has to be adjusted while tuning, and it takes a while for the gerbils inside to do the math.

73,
Scott K9MA


Re: Temporary Mars Mod?

Dennis Deaton
 

All this teeth-gnashing over a non-issue.  Just solder bridge KS5 to solve the issue of Yaesu's weird 60m setup.  It does not void the warranty unless you screw the pooch with your soldering Iron :)    
73,
Dennis AG7K

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 6:52 AM Ken - K4XL <grimm@...> wrote:
But still obvious and would undoubtedly violate warranty in the US at least!

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 4:27 AM Adrian Fewster <vk4tux@...> wrote:
If it is done with the proper 000R link resistor, then it looks great ;




--
Ken - K4XL
BoatAnchor Manual Archive
BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com


Re: FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

33 73s
 

Hi All,

Outside the unmanaged noise floor on 101... What about the dynamics of the spectrum on the sreen 101 or futur panad .. ?
Will it be limited as on the screens of the D and MP at 50dB about ...?
An adjustable display with sufficient dynamics, that of 101 would be a real plus. But ...

73s Sylvain


Le vendredi 25 juin 2021 à 21:00:52 UTC+2, BILL KENNAMER <k5fuv@...> a écrit :


There are some of us who don't like averaging.

K5FUV

On Friday, June 25, 2021, 12:56:14 PM CDT, Gary Schwartz <garysch69@...> wrote:


My bad, you are correct.

Gary

------ Original Message ------
From: "Mr K4ATE" <K4ATE@...>
Sent: 6/25/2021 1:38:42 PM
Subject: Re: [FTDX101D] FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

There are user defined AGC settings on my 101D.







-------- Original message --------
From: Gary Schwartz <garysch69@...>
Date: 6/25/21 1:33 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [FTDX101D] FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

A search through this, the FTdx10 and other forums would show this and similar wish-list topics have been discussed at length.  I observe that the 991, 101d/mp, and dx10 come from the same "mold".  Aside from clearing up glaring faults, I have seen no evidence that Yaesu listens to its' customer base.  It is also true that what one likes, another dislikes.  On the other hand, the Icom philosophy allows the user to set his/her own defaults.  Take averaging for example.  Icom lets you set the amount you want from zero on up.  Similarly it has mode memory, not band memory and user defined AGC settings.  The Yaesu mindset does not allow for this type of personalization.  Based on what we have seen, I would doubt they are going to change.  

Gary
K3OS

------ Original Message ------
From: "Scott Ellington" <K9ma@...>
Sent: 6/25/2021 1:07:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FTDX101D] FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

I'm new to this radio, so I may be missing some settings, but I notice a couple shortcomings of the panadapter:

There seems to be no provision for averaging, making it hard to distinguish weak signals from noise.

In the cursor mode, when you reach the end of the span, it just scrolls until you tune back in the other direction. It would be much more useful if it simply jumped to the next segment, preferably with some overlap. In the fixed mode, it won't scroll at all. 

As an aside, I think the apparently varying frequency in the fixed or cursor mode is an artifact of the way those modes are implement. (The Elecraft P3 does the same thing.) I suspect the display is inherently always in the Center mode, so for Fixed or Cursor modes the display has to be adjusted while tuning, and it takes a while for the gerbils inside to do the math.

73,
Scott K9MA


Re: FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

BILL KENNAMER
 

There are some of us who don't like averaging.

K5FUV

On Friday, June 25, 2021, 12:56:14 PM CDT, Gary Schwartz <garysch69@...> wrote:


My bad, you are correct.

Gary

------ Original Message ------
From: "Mr K4ATE" <K4ATE@...>
Sent: 6/25/2021 1:38:42 PM
Subject: Re: [FTDX101D] FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

There are user defined AGC settings on my 101D.







-------- Original message --------
From: Gary Schwartz <garysch69@...>
Date: 6/25/21 1:33 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [FTDX101D] FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

A search through this, the FTdx10 and other forums would show this and similar wish-list topics have been discussed at length.  I observe that the 991, 101d/mp, and dx10 come from the same "mold".  Aside from clearing up glaring faults, I have seen no evidence that Yaesu listens to its' customer base.  It is also true that what one likes, another dislikes.  On the other hand, the Icom philosophy allows the user to set his/her own defaults.  Take averaging for example.  Icom lets you set the amount you want from zero on up.  Similarly it has mode memory, not band memory and user defined AGC settings.  The Yaesu mindset does not allow for this type of personalization.  Based on what we have seen, I would doubt they are going to change.  

Gary
K3OS

------ Original Message ------
From: "Scott Ellington" <K9ma@...>
Sent: 6/25/2021 1:07:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FTDX101D] FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

I'm new to this radio, so I may be missing some settings, but I notice a couple shortcomings of the panadapter:

There seems to be no provision for averaging, making it hard to distinguish weak signals from noise.

In the cursor mode, when you reach the end of the span, it just scrolls until you tune back in the other direction. It would be much more useful if it simply jumped to the next segment, preferably with some overlap. In the fixed mode, it won't scroll at all. 

As an aside, I think the apparently varying frequency in the fixed or cursor mode is an artifact of the way those modes are implement. (The Elecraft P3 does the same thing.) I suspect the display is inherently always in the Center mode, so for Fixed or Cursor modes the display has to be adjusted while tuning, and it takes a while for the gerbils inside to do the math.

73,
Scott K9MA


Re: ZL3DW book

paul leach
 

Yes, mine arrived today. Bit of reading for my train journey from north Wales to London next week!


Re: FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

Gary Schwartz
 

My bad, you are correct.

Gary

------ Original Message ------
From: "Mr K4ATE" <K4ATE@...>
Sent: 6/25/2021 1:38:42 PM
Subject: Re: [FTDX101D] FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

There are user defined AGC settings on my 101D.







-------- Original message --------
From: Gary Schwartz <garysch69@...>
Date: 6/25/21 1:33 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [FTDX101D] FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

A search through this, the FTdx10 and other forums would show this and similar wish-list topics have been discussed at length.  I observe that the 991, 101d/mp, and dx10 come from the same "mold".  Aside from clearing up glaring faults, I have seen no evidence that Yaesu listens to its' customer base.  It is also true that what one likes, another dislikes.  On the other hand, the Icom philosophy allows the user to set his/her own defaults.  Take averaging for example.  Icom lets you set the amount you want from zero on up.  Similarly it has mode memory, not band memory and user defined AGC settings.  The Yaesu mindset does not allow for this type of personalization.  Based on what we have seen, I would doubt they are going to change.  

Gary
K3OS

------ Original Message ------
From: "Scott Ellington" <K9ma@...>
Sent: 6/25/2021 1:07:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FTDX101D] FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

I'm new to this radio, so I may be missing some settings, but I notice a couple shortcomings of the panadapter:

There seems to be no provision for averaging, making it hard to distinguish weak signals from noise.

In the cursor mode, when you reach the end of the span, it just scrolls until you tune back in the other direction. It would be much more useful if it simply jumped to the next segment, preferably with some overlap. In the fixed mode, it won't scroll at all. 

As an aside, I think the apparently varying frequency in the fixed or cursor mode is an artifact of the way those modes are implement. (The Elecraft P3 does the same thing.) I suspect the display is inherently always in the Center mode, so for Fixed or Cursor modes the display has to be adjusted while tuning, and it takes a while for the gerbils inside to do the math.

73,
Scott K9MA


Re: ZL3DW book

Fernando EC1CT
 

Got the book as well and worth the money and the read!!!!.
73s
EC1CT Fernando
 

From: Laurie G3UML via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 6:54 PM
To: FTDX101D@groups.io ; ftdx101mp@groups.io
Subject: [FTDX101D] ZL3DW book
 
Just got the ZL3DW book (from RSGB here in the UK). It’s really excellent, written in clear plain English, deconstructs some of the lack of clarity and confusion in the (generally quite well written) Yaesu manual. Well worth the money

73 Laurie G3UML

Libre de virus. www.avg.com


Re: ZL3DW book

Lou W7HV
 

Already a few threads on this, including one started by the author, here:

https://groups.io/g/FTDX101D/topic/new_book_for_yaesu_ftdx101/83615160


Re: FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

Mr K4ATE
 

There are user defined AGC settings on my 101D.







-------- Original message --------
From: Gary Schwartz <garysch69@...>
Date: 6/25/21 1:33 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: FTDX101D@groups.io
Subject: Re: [FTDX101D] FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

A search through this, the FTdx10 and other forums would show this and similar wish-list topics have been discussed at length.  I observe that the 991, 101d/mp, and dx10 come from the same "mold".  Aside from clearing up glaring faults, I have seen no evidence that Yaesu listens to its' customer base.  It is also true that what one likes, another dislikes.  On the other hand, the Icom philosophy allows the user to set his/her own defaults.  Take averaging for example.  Icom lets you set the amount you want from zero on up.  Similarly it has mode memory, not band memory and user defined AGC settings.  The Yaesu mindset does not allow for this type of personalization.  Based on what we have seen, I would doubt they are going to change.  

Gary
K3OS

------ Original Message ------
From: "Scott Ellington" <K9ma@...>
Sent: 6/25/2021 1:07:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FTDX101D] FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

I'm new to this radio, so I may be missing some settings, but I notice a couple shortcomings of the panadapter:

There seems to be no provision for averaging, making it hard to distinguish weak signals from noise.

In the cursor mode, when you reach the end of the span, it just scrolls until you tune back in the other direction. It would be much more useful if it simply jumped to the next segment, preferably with some overlap. In the fixed mode, it won't scroll at all. 

As an aside, I think the apparently varying frequency in the fixed or cursor mode is an artifact of the way those modes are implement. (The Elecraft P3 does the same thing.) I suspect the display is inherently always in the Center mode, so for Fixed or Cursor modes the display has to be adjusted while tuning, and it takes a while for the gerbils inside to do the math.

73,
Scott K9MA


Re: FTdx101 Panadapter Shortcomings

Lou W7HV
 

There have been many many discussion on this in this group and I won't reiterate them.  For weak sigs, adjust LEVEL until noise is just starting to color the waterfall.  Weak sigs are very obvious in the waterfall.  Color choice can make a difference.  I like COLOR-9 for DSSDR and COLOR-18 for NARROW SDR.  I reverse them for the SUB (COLOR-11, COLOR-16). There are also a number settings to explore in the S-MENU and the DISPLAY SETTINGS menu.  Experiment with those to decide what works best for you. 

It is what it is.

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