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Should the FM tuner group discussions be public or private? #poll
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newaag
Hi, currently discussions are public. This means anyone who is not a member can read them. Or members can read them without logging in.
It also means they may eventually show up in public search engines, like Google, when people search there on FM Tuner topics that we discuss. What do you think? Should this continue, or should we make all conversations private to members only? (I am assuming we have this option).
Thank you for voting.
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Herb Ward
To All,
Just my two cents worth... I think if we keep the forum in the public domain so to speak, we will improve the knowledge base among the tuner enthusiast's and perhaps add to our numbers of sharing experience, experiments, and service situations. Herb Ward |
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Robert Chambers
I think that membership in a *Group* takes one out of the public domain and into a place where there is honor of Group values, ideals, dreams and aspirations.
And, that's not to say that newcomers cannot join the Group; that's not to say that the Group is a *secret club*. My vision of *Group* takes it out of the Public domain, as long as there is access available to those who are willing to commit.. Best, RC in VT |
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Otto Nikolaus
Is there some confusion here? The question is about whether *anyone* can read all our messages without being a member. Otto On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 00:23, Robert Chambers <rchamber@...> wrote: I think that membership in a *Group* takes one out of the public domain and into a place where there is honor of Group values, ideals, dreams and aspirations. |
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newaag
Yes, to be clear - Currently non-members of the group can only read messages. That is it. They cannot view, download or submit files/photos, post replies to messages, or do anything else full members can do. Bob |
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Michael Sloan
And how is a newbie going to find a group such as this without google being able to reference the content? Looking for info on a particular tuner and finding references via google was how I got started. Speaking of finding info, does fmtunerinfo
reference the new (or the old) site? |
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Eric
Good question, Michael. So far, I only changed the links on the TIC home page, but I'll change them on the other 30 or so pages of TIC ASAP. -Eric
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temperik97 <temperik97@...>
Well, you can stop sending them to me. I'm not quite sure how I got on this mailing although I really enjoy the site. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 10:23 AM Herb Ward <hrward82@...> wrote: To All, |
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I see no advantage in making messages private. Can anyone explain how/why it would be better? |
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Dan
Do the settings of groups.io allow for old message to remain private, while allowing future messages to be public? Or is it an all-or-nothing affair? Should access to those messages written when the group was private remain as such, out of respect to those who wrote with the understanding of how the system worked at that time?
I fully recognize that the topic of discussion -- tuners -- is not particularly sensitive, but I have noticed that some contributors have (or used to have) e-mail signatures with personal information, such as e-mail addresses and telephone numbers. Dan |
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newaag
OK, on privacy - a great topic, and one I'm certainly an advocate for.
First, the "bar" for entry to the former Yahoo FM Tuner groups was quite low. There was never any assurance of privacy given by entry to the former Yahoo FM Tuners group. Anyone with an email address could join - and did. We banned most people for spam, but also for foul language, etc. But anyone could join, no problem, and if they never posted anything offensive, could lurk and read all content, and enjoy full privileges on the group. I should basically reiterate - this is not a private, secure discussion group. It has way over 5000 members from all over the globe. It never was. You should NOT ever post information that you consider private or confidential. And certainly not home address / phone number / etc. - If you do, or did, you should erase those posts, which I believe you could on Yahoo, and can also here, in the archives. But, it cannot erase messages already sent to emails. We welcome new members - continually - to replace those who lose interest and leave. In observing membership at the Yahoo site, there was a continuously revolving door there. And the moderators have seen this progression from day 1. We certainly respect all opinions, which is why we did the poll, and love the ensuing discussion. |
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newaag
Here is more opinion on privacy -
I travel frequently, and like to check what folks are doing on various discussion groups. When in a public area, like Starbucks, Panera Bread, or an airport, whatever,I really do not want to log in and expose my private log-in details. The ability to read messages, and then make a note of stuff I want to later respond to works great. I respond on a secure network area, where I know there is nobody snooping my log-in. And to name names, on the audio groups side, almost every major audio group let's non-members read site message content - That includes AudioKarma, AudioAsylum, DIYAudio, AudioCircle, etc. And yes, other hobby groups like ADVrider, thumpertalk, roadbikereview, etc. - all these sites let non-members read posts. Bob |
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Otto Nikolaus
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 03:22, Dan <much2discover@...> wrote: Do the settings of groups.io allow for old message to remain private, while allowing future messages to be public? Or is it an all-or-nothing affair? Should access to those messages written when the group was private remain as such, out of respect to those who wrote with the understanding of how the system worked at that time? Exactly! Otto |
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Otto Nikolaus
The simple answer is that all new members should be on moderation (I think that's the default at groups.io). On posting their first message, moderation can be removed (or not!). Otto On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 05:25, newaag via Groups.Io <newaag=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: OK, on privacy - a great topic, and one I'm certainly an advocate for. |
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sedond
hi bob,
first, thanks for the awesome job in getting this done! and, i agree - most all hobby groups allow non-members to view the forums. some have restrictions for the classified ad sections and search functions. i think that, if the tuna group could do that, it's definitely worthwhile to have the discussion forum open to the public. it would seem absurd to not have it open to the public. doug s. |
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Hank Arnold
Shoot change my vote, never thought of the 'signing in at a public location' situation. On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 6:35 AM sedond via Groups.Io <sedond=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: hi bob, |
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Eric
Although some people will come to this group via TIC, I think we do need to come up in Google/Bing searches in order for a lot of people to find us. I THINK I would prefer that the group's posts be public, but I'm sensitive to the privacy issues and as long as the group's home page comes up in the search engines that may be sufficient. I can also beef up the description of the group on TIC, so the search engines have more to go on. -Eric
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R Pritchett
It would be best to keep the old conversations private. There are
some exposed emails.
From: Eric
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [FMtuners] Should the FM tuner group discussions be
public or private? Although
some people will come to this group via TIC, I think we do need to come up in
Google/Bing searches in order for a lot of people to find us. I THINK I
would prefer that the group's posts be public, but I'm sensitive to the privacy
issues and as long as the group's home page comes up in the search engines that
may be sufficient. I can also beef up the description of the group on TIC,
so the search engines have more to go on. -Eric
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I'm one of the moderators on DIYAudio, so some of this has been discussed on our site too.
My personal opinion is that groups should be fully open to public viewing with the restrictions that you listed newaag. It's always a difficult balance between providing a public service and encouraging technical content that is sometimes guarded information. Certain manufacturers have had me sign NDA's before they would release any information to me - and I was a warranty service shop! So blocking the view and / or downloading of content would be expected and enforced. With new members, we moderate their posts until such time that we have a good idea whether they will be disruptive or not. Bots and spam oriented members are banned before they are released in the vast majority of cases. I have seen some super private sites where you only discover they exist after you are formally invited. In audio, this means that you're going to be dealing with engineers and therefore need a certain level of understanding in that field. The main agreement beyond good behavior is that you don't even talk about the site. So for people who are thinking along those lines, a new sub-group could be created with those privacy options in place. No one would even know that the group existed and therefore all posts would be private outside of that group. Editing posts. I believe strongly that you should only have a set time where you can edit your post. Say, 1/2 an hour. You should never be allowed to "change history" as it can put following posts out of context. Our moderating team will not edit a post (we can) except to remove personal information. Excepting special circumstances, we copy and past the post and send it to the poster with an explanation of what the problem is, then we delete the post in it's entirety. Moderator actions are reviewed by others on the team to keep our actions objective. It's sometimes a very difficult path to follow when there are more than one correct action. -Chris |
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Mark Hubbard
Out of respect and gratitude to our moderators and most frequent contributors, I think they should decide whether the group is public or private. Thank you for generously sharing your tuner information and for your many years of helpful advice.
Sincerely, Mark Hubbard Eureka, California |
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