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Re: Pioneer TX-400 tube tuner?

force92ca
 

^^ Bump ^^ Anybody?

--- In FMtuners@yahoogroups.com, "R Dubicki" <rdubicki@s...> wrote:

Anyone know something about this one?

It's not listed among the tube tuners at the fmtunerinfo.com site.

Thanks.


Re: Mac MR78 down to #36 of 40 in TIC shootout ...

force92ca
 

Charles,

I agree 100% with your statements below. This is what you value, and
I respect that.

I don't dispute or think the ranking should change either.

All I'm saying, is that if value is placed solely on performance,
the price of the MR78 is very steep indeed. That's all. Seems over-
valued to me, on that, particular metric. It may merit its price
based on DX abilities, looks, collectibility, and quality of
workmanship.

Everyone, myself included, has complex (perhaps irrational)
motivations that determine preferences for hi-fi gear,cars, women
and cigars. I just don't think this discussion board needs to be
wishy-washy like Stereophile: worried about stepping on the toes of
a product. Or more importantly, being oblivous to cost/performance
considerations. The Sumo Charlie tuner got grilled pretty good here
on these points. The MR78 should not be a sacred cow either.

Bob


--- In FMtuners@yahoogroups.com, Charles Peterson <charlesp@d...>
wrote:

I think MR 78 looks wonderful, like a collection of electronic
jewelry in an
terrarium (particularly from the top). The ergonomics (save the
dial markings
and the strength meter) are as good as it gets. I love the
backlit black
glass front panel. I'm pretty sure the knobs have real metal in
them (not
just painted on trim).

You were clearly getting your money's worth in design, parts, and
quality.
To manufacture something like this today would cost at least $5000.

Don't forget, it's a collectible and highly sought after audio
legend.


Charles


Re: Mac MR78 down to #36 of 40 in TIC shootout ...

Charles Peterson <charlesp@...>
 

Charles and Jim,

If a $1699 tuner (the current list price of an MR78 @ Audio
Classics) sounds indistinguishible form a $99 Sanyo on eBay, which
is the better tuner?

Ha ha, oh well, let's not take this too seriously folks. Right?
Right ... most people are stupid ... why then would they now throw
their hard-earned money at the Mac then? As Ryan would say: for a
lot of chrome, black and glass. To each his own I guess.
Don't forget that the MR 78 is one of the best available DX machines available
in stock form. It has "supertuner" sensitivity and selectivity. And it's
likely that any one you get will have that quality, from superior engineering
and manufacturing quality, unlike some tuners where the performance is highly
variable and even the factory didn't bother (or couldn't afford) to do a decent
alignment. It's unlikely the MR 78 will fail to deliver regardless of strong
local stations (the designer lives 600 feet from a broadcasting antenna) or
anything else. The switches in my 25 year old unit work silently, and the
whole thing is likely to last decades or more (with electrolytic replacements
every 25 years or so). The circuit boards are fiberglass, not cheap phenolic.

You get a 3 position IF bandwidth selector in which the narrow is REALLY NARROW,
not just slightly less wide (as in the famed Kenwoods 600T and KT-917).

I think MR 78 looks wonderful, like a collection of electronic jewelry in an
terrarium (particularly from the top). The ergonomics (save the dial markings
and the strength meter) are as good as it gets. I love the backlit black
glass front panel. I'm pretty sure the knobs have real metal in them (not
just painted on trim).

You were clearly getting your money's worth in design, parts, and quality.
To manufacture something like this today would cost at least $5000.

Don't forget, it's a collectible and highly sought after audio legend.

And in my experience it sounds better than all but one of my tuners, including
a 600T, Yamaha T-80, Fisher KM-61, Sony 5000FW, Sony ST-5000FW, Kenwood KT-7500,
and Onkyo T-9090II. (Actually, I'm listening to the Onkyo now in my #1
spot, and I'm thinking I might like the Onkyo better. It turns out that some,
such as James Bongiorno, have considered the Onkyo as one of the best sounding
tuners, while others have considered it one of the worst.)

I have not done any blind testing. I'm betting that no one can hear the
difference not because I don't believe a difference can be proveably be heard,
at great difficulty, but because I think it's a lot harder than most people
realize. I believe the differences are actually very small. I know my
judgements have been highly variable. The Onkyo used to be near the bottom of
my list, now it's at the top.

I don't think of it in terms of "gee, I could have the same sound in a $90
Sanyo," but rather "It wouldn't sound significantly better with a $13,000
Sequerra, or an unobtanium L-02T."

You can't have it both ways! Don't take the rankings seriously -
well then, you might as well stop the silly excercise - there is NO
credibility in engaging in a lark ... put a CAVEAT in big letters on
the ranking page to say: it is all a big joke and that potential
I think Jim takes it appropriately seriously given his chosen methodology. It's
just that other people should not, and/or not take any such "GESR" rankings
seriously. That includes pretty much every audio review that has ever been
written. Jim's are at least as good as any of the others, if not better.

When I see the p value, then I'll take the review seriously. When was the last
time that happened?

buyer's should not hold any reservations in forking out $1699 on the
MR78 if you've heard "somewhere else" a bunch of baloney that its
one of the best tuners ever even though it scrapes the bottom of the
list. Too much of a dissonance for some people to grasp, I think.
If they can't grasp dissonance, they should be forget high end audio. Actually,
most people are, which is why I'm trying to push for proveably serious audio
reviewing. I think that would put most attention back to where it belongs,
on speakers.

Charles


Re: Audiophile Magazines

walts mail <wltice@...>
 

Peter Aczel used the subscription money from his original TAC to organize and run a speaker company which produced one of the most awful speakers (Fourier Systems) known to the High End - EVER.  I sat around along with several other people I knew waiting for 28 months for an issue that was due in 3, and then we got one, and then BAM!  No magazine, no refund - just a statement to hold on while they reformed.  This was in the '78-'82 timeframe, so I may have a few of the details slightly smudged, but I wouldn't give one cent to that individual, or anyone connected with him.
 
This is really too bad, in TAC (first one) they have had very helpful pieces such as tone-arm/cart pivot reviews/instructions in the magazine in the old days.  In more recent days it looks like a hang out for ABX'ers of almost any ilk (reasonable or otherwise).  They tote around their stupid boxes and proclaim everything sounds the same - sort of the vapid Audio or High Fidelity point of view from the 60's and 70's that spawned TAS, Sterophile, TAC, Sensible Sound, and the like - just with a patina of truth - which of course makes them more insidious then if they just admitted it was another theory with many counterclaims (which they continue to re-write the mantra to avoid dealing with).  Anyone who has heard say:
 
 - Verity Parsifals (mine)
 - ML Prodigy
 - Audio Physic Virgos
 - NHT 3.3
 
and can't tell the difference using a good room/equipment and known source is in the wrong hobby.  I'd be happy to travel anywhere in the US and sit in a room with Aczel and Nousane and demonstrate someone that can tell the difference.  Also if they will priovide a planar speaker with at least two frequencies under 2 ohms (one in the bass - one in the treble) almost all Logan's for instance) - I'll be happy to ID the difference between a good portion of the amps as long as they are not all 3.5x+ power into 2 ohms vs. 8.
 
Sterophile has had zero credibility for 2-3 years now since they were bought out by an outfit interested in ad revenue only, please don't waste your time.
 
It's true that boutique retail and "high end" manufacturers have a mutual interest in pumping up the aura of equipment, and promoting pseudo science to an art that few other industries approach, never mind match.  They do need to be watched and exposed when possible, but, there is no fineness of reproduction available in almost any ABX'er system I have ever seen.  There is a wide middle ground that takes time to nurture and maintain - with constant pressue to pick one side or the other if you pay any attention to the newsgroups (RAHE, RAO (if you can stand it), magazines, salesmen,etc. .  Remember zealots of any stripe are more interested in proving themselves to be correct, then in the actual thing they are said to be promoting - which makes you the loser if you pay attention to their nonsense.
 
Regards,
W
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [FMtuners] Audiophile Magazines

In a recent post, I said that "Stereophile" was the best replacement
for the defunct US "Audio" magazine, much as John Atkinson (and a few
others) do some meticulous measurements (of some fraction of the equipment
reviewed), plus there is loads of audio "news," opinions, gossip, etc.
And, of course, all the pretty pictures of high end equipment (every other
page).  Of course, "I only get it for the pictures" ;-).

I did mention, but I should have heaped equal (if not more) praise on The Audio
Critic.  In their latest edition (possibly at your local Barnes and Noble or
Borders bookstore now) they have some of the best and most thorough speaker
reviews I've ever seen.  Lots of measurements and graphs even.  (Editor Peter
Aczel used to eschew actual speaker performance graphs, saying the public was
unable to interpret them correctly.)  Reviewed are a $2500 B&W, a Thiel, an Ohm
(Walsh), and a surprisingly good but cheap Definitive Technologies.

The Audio Critic has picked up two of the best editor/reviewers from Audio:
Ivan Berger (who also wrote for all the other magazines under various pen names)
and Don Keele.  Plus the usual esteemed David Rich and love-or-hate him Tom
Nousaine and others.

Peter is still his same old confrontational self, writing in his self-declared
"last" (i.e., I give up) Hip Boots column he not only declares that all decent
amplifiers sound alike and all you have to do is measure them (and why bother),
but that he's come to believe that the same thing is true of speakers.  Which is
kind of strange, since the issue is filled with speaker reviews (and even a
letter from Sigfried Linkwitz, who now specializes dipolar speakers) whose
alleged superiority has to do with things, such as the 3 dimensional sound
radiation pattern, for which it is rather hard to say which actual speaker would
be better in any particular environment and has a highly subjective effect in
any case (such as spatial imaging).  Even with "on-axis" response, or power
handling (at various frequencies), it's pretty hard to saw which of two highly
variable responses is actually better (and measurement techniques are incredibly
complicated and subject to opinion themselves).

But forget that, the speaker reviews are superb, some of the best reviewing I've
ever read.  And some pointers on some interesting new recordings.  But no tuner
reviews.

Charles




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Re: SHOOTOUT TUNER REVISITS

myrhinofly
 

Revisits are a great idea. I would like to see some more head-to-heads
with the common and popular tuners, tu-717, kt-7500, kt-8300 etc.

FYI: At home I did a bit of this with a tu-717, Luxman T-02, Pioneer
F-99x, Mcintosh mx113, and a kenwood 600t, comparing each one to the
other. They fell out like so

600t
tu-717
T-02
F-99x
MX113

All sound very good on strong signals. The Mcintosh is a preamp/tuner
and is really handicapped without a narrow mode. The 600t is modded
and aligned and really outclassed the others. I only put it in there
for the fun of it.

I found the performance (both sound quality and dxing) IDENTICAL
between the T-02 and the tu-717 but put the sansui first because of
better ergonomics.

I completely agree with your assesment of the highs on the f-99x. I
loved this tuner on strong classical stations.



--- In FMtuners@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim@f...> wrote:
We may run out of tuners to review weekly in the next few months and
I want to revisit certain tuners with in depth reports. The MR 78,
the Sequerra model 1, the Yamaha 7000, etc. It has been said often
and it is true, my memory just can't be that good having listened to
so many tuners over the period of a year. I have no hatred for the
Mac and no real love for the Kenwood L-02T and have been as neutral
as humanly possible. Take the Shootouts as a guide and if you hear
and love the sound of a Mac 78, buy it and laugh! I would not buy an
L-02T because I don't have that kind of money to spend and I like
the
sound of my modified Kenwood KT-7550 better, anyway. If I had to
choose an unmodified tuner with a budget in mind, I would choose one
of the Sansuis or the Philips close to the top of the rankings. 8:-)
jim...


Audiophile Magazines

Charles Peterson <charlesp@...>
 

In a recent post, I said that "Stereophile" was the best replacement
for the defunct US "Audio" magazine, much as John Atkinson (and a few
others) do some meticulous measurements (of some fraction of the equipment
reviewed), plus there is loads of audio "news," opinions, gossip, etc.
And, of course, all the pretty pictures of high end equipment (every other
page). Of course, "I only get it for the pictures" ;-).

I did mention, but I should have heaped equal (if not more) praise on The Audio
Critic. In their latest edition (possibly at your local Barnes and Noble or
Borders bookstore now) they have some of the best and most thorough speaker
reviews I've ever seen. Lots of measurements and graphs even. (Editor Peter
Aczel used to eschew actual speaker performance graphs, saying the public was
unable to interpret them correctly.) Reviewed are a $2500 B&W, a Thiel, an Ohm
(Walsh), and a surprisingly good but cheap Definitive Technologies.

The Audio Critic has picked up two of the best editor/reviewers from Audio:
Ivan Berger (who also wrote for all the other magazines under various pen names)
and Don Keele. Plus the usual esteemed David Rich and love-or-hate him Tom
Nousaine and others.

Peter is still his same old confrontational self, writing in his self-declared
"last" (i.e., I give up) Hip Boots column he not only declares that all decent
amplifiers sound alike and all you have to do is measure them (and why bother),
but that he's come to believe that the same thing is true of speakers. Which is
kind of strange, since the issue is filled with speaker reviews (and even a
letter from Sigfried Linkwitz, who now specializes dipolar speakers) whose
alleged superiority has to do with things, such as the 3 dimensional sound
radiation pattern, for which it is rather hard to say which actual speaker would
be better in any particular environment and has a highly subjective effect in
any case (such as spatial imaging). Even with "on-axis" response, or power
handling (at various frequencies), it's pretty hard to saw which of two highly
variable responses is actually better (and measurement techniques are incredibly
complicated and subject to opinion themselves).

But forget that, the speaker reviews are superb, some of the best reviewing I've
ever read. And some pointers on some interesting new recordings. But no tuner
reviews.

Charles


Re: Mac MR78 down to #36 of 40 in TIC shootout ...

chat4tune <tg_@...>
 

--- In FMtuners@yahoogroups.com, Charles Peterson <charlesp@d...> wrote:
practice.


[...]
(And given that, I am even more suspicious of the audible difference of
tweaks having with no measureable difference or sound theoretical
basis.)

Charles
Hi Charles,

As far as I know, hearing "treatment" is closer to ondelet transform
than to Fourier transform. So the best creteria for hearing are
different and more complex than criteria usualy used. More than that,
for practical reasons, technical criteria are very often using steady
signals rather than not steady ones. Two tone measurements, instead of
multi tone measurements, and so on...

Therefore, I think that good specifications (met of course !) only
ensures very good performances, not top performances.

Another point is how far the tuner can stand bad reception conditions
and how it can sound more or less unpleasant then.

Regards,
Thierry


Re: Mac MR78 down to #36 of 40 in TIC shootout ...

force92ca
 

Charles and Jim,

If a $1699 tuner (the current list price of an MR78 @ Audio
Classics) sounds indistinguishible form a $99 Sanyo on eBay, which
is the better tuner?

Ha ha, oh well, let's not take this too seriously folks. Right?
Right ... most people are stupid ... why then would they now throw
their hard-earned money at the Mac then? As Ryan would say: for a
lot of chrome, black and glass. To each his own I guess.

You can't have it both ways! Don't take the rankings seriously -
well then, you might as well stop the silly excercise - there is NO
credibility in engaging in a lark ... put a CAVEAT in big letters on
the ranking page to say: it is all a big joke and that potential
buyer's should not hold any reservations in forking out $1699 on the
MR78 if you've heard "somewhere else" a bunch of baloney that its
one of the best tuners ever even though it scrapes the bottom of the
list. Too much of a dissonance for some people to grasp, I think.

What can one summise from the current list - only one thing: the
MR78 is a VERY poor value on a price/performance scale.

It may - possibly - be a better tuner than many listed abot it, but
its VERY, VERY expensive. Only a handful of tuners in the top 50
sell for more. That's my point.

IF everyone hears different - then you got to wonder how something
can jump from place #51 to the top ten (which is the price range the
78 commands based on price) by someone else's hearing.


Bob


"no one can even hear the difference" I DISAGREE jim...
and with 1200 of us here, I'll bet there are over 1000 different
opinions. 8:-) jim...

I'm willing to bet $10 that no one can even hear the difference,
statistically
significant (p < 0.05), between an MR 78 under level-matched
blind
conditions
and any other tuner above it, both performing normally, on Jim's
list on a
strong local stations that comes in well on both tuners.


SHOOTOUT TUNER REVISITS

Jim <jim@fmtunerinfo.com>
 

We may run out of tuners to review weekly in the next few months and
I want to revisit certain tuners with in depth reports. The MR 78,
the Sequerra model 1, the Yamaha 7000, etc. It has been said often
and it is true, my memory just can't be that good having listened to
so many tuners over the period of a year. I have no hatred for the
Mac and no real love for the Kenwood L-02T and have been as neutral
as humanly possible. Take the Shootouts as a guide and if you hear
and love the sound of a Mac 78, buy it and laugh! I would not buy an
L-02T because I don't have that kind of money to spend and I like the
sound of my modified Kenwood KT-7550 better, anyway. If I had to
choose an unmodified tuner with a budget in mind, I would choose one
of the Sansuis or the Philips close to the top of the rankings. 8:-)
jim...


Re: Mac MR78 down to #36 of 40 in TIC shootout ...

Jim <jim@fmtunerinfo.com>
 

"Therefore, don't take this too seriously" IAGREE jim...
"no one can even hear the difference" I DISAGREE jim...
and with 1200 of us here, I'll bet there are over 1000 different
opinions. 8:-) jim...

--- In FMtuners@yahoogroups.com, Charles Peterson <charlesp@d...>
wrote:
I believe these tests are honest, and done as reported by a sincere
and
well organized (much better than me, anyway) and critical
audiophile of
many years standing.

But of course, they are just one person's impression. And they are
not
done under blind conditions or (as far as I have read) systematic
level
matching.

Therefore, don't take this too seriously. I don't. It's fun, but
only
until people start taking it too seriously.

I'm willing to bet $10 that no one can even hear the difference,
statistically
significant (p < 0.05), between an MR 78 under level-matched blind
conditions
and any other tuner above it, both performing normally, on Jim's
list on a
strong local stations that comes in well on both tuners. (I'd bet
a lot more,
say $50, if I were observing the procedings or had some other way
to be sure
they were actually done correctly.) Of course, a full report on
FMtuners would
be required, and offer is limited to the first 5 people who report
such a
difference.

Unlike some other things, such as modern power amplifiers, there
are significant
frequency response variations, probably exceeding 1dB in many
cases. But I
myself have been amazed at how hard even such easily measured
differences are to
hear consistently in music without, say, days of well-designed
practice.

(And given that, I am even more suspicious of the audible
difference of
tweaks having with no measureable difference or sound theoretical
basis.)

Charles



I'm pretty sure that the MR78 Jim tried out had been aligned
within
the past two years. Jim can correct me if I am wrong.


Steven Bobenhouse <steve@f...> wrote:
I wonder what a good allignment would do. the factory always
did a
pretty fair job.

steve



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Re: Mac MR78 down to #36 of 40 in TIC shootout ...

force92ca
 

If someone already owns an MR78, the ranking does not mean a silly
thing, other than perhaps some buyer's remorse (if they shelled out
big $ for it). But if they are happy with it, then fine. Enjoy the
Music. You've obviously got deep pockets (or have not listen to
enough tuners).

However, with the MR78 ranked so low, I can assure you, sensible
people will now be VERY apprehensive in shelling out upwards of
$1000 or more for an MR78. Let's face it ... unless you live in a
cave, most everyone does a Google to do some "research" and will
undobtedly stuble upon TIC and its ranking. It made me think twice,
and that was when it was down at #36 not #50.

If the MR78 sold for $300, then so be it. But it don't - it commands
a hefty premium in the market - supposedly because it is a "great"
tuner. High price tag tuners merit greater scrutiny.

If it were in the Top 25, well then, there is wiggle room for
debate. But with its placement outside the Top 50 (!) leads me to
conclude it is over-priced and a poor value performance wise, and
its "reputation" was inflated. Probably a descent tuner, but way
over-priced.

If Jim tested a busted unit ... it merits a re-review soon to do it
justice.






--- In FMtuners@yahoogroups.com, Charles Peterson <charlesp@d...>
wrote:
I believe these tests are honest, and done as reported by a
sincere and
well organized (much better than me, anyway) and critical
audiophile of
many years standing.

But of course, they are just one person's impression. And they
are not
done under blind conditions or (as far as I have read) systematic
level
matching.

Therefore, don't take this too seriously. I don't. It's fun, but
only
until people start taking it too seriously.

I'm willing to bet $10 that no one can even hear the difference,
statistically
significant (p < 0.05), between an MR 78 under level-matched blind
conditions
and any other tuner above it, both performing normally, on Jim's
list on a
strong local stations that comes in well on both tuners. (I'd bet
a lot more,
say $50, if I were observing the procedings or had some other way
to be sure
they were actually done correctly.) Of course, a full report on
FMtuners would
be required, and offer is limited to the first 5 people who report
such a
difference.

Unlike some other things, such as modern power amplifiers, there
are significant
frequency response variations, probably exceeding 1dB in many
cases. But I
myself have been amazed at how hard even such easily measured
differences are to
hear consistently in music without, say, days of well-designed
practice.

(And given that, I am even more suspicious of the audible
difference of
tweaks having with no measureable difference or sound theoretical
basis.)

Charles



I'm pretty sure that the MR78 Jim tried out had been aligned
within
the past two years. Jim can correct me if I am wrong.


Steven Bobenhouse <steve@f...> wrote:
I wonder what a good allignment would do. the factory always
did a
pretty fair job.

steve



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Re: Mac MR78 down to #36 of 40 in TIC shootout ...

Charles Peterson <charlesp@...>
 

I believe these tests are honest, and done as reported by a sincere and
well organized (much better than me, anyway) and critical audiophile of
many years standing.

But of course, they are just one person's impression. And they are not
done under blind conditions or (as far as I have read) systematic level
matching.

Therefore, don't take this too seriously. I don't. It's fun, but only
until people start taking it too seriously.

I'm willing to bet $10 that no one can even hear the difference, statistically
significant (p < 0.05), between an MR 78 under level-matched blind conditions
and any other tuner above it, both performing normally, on Jim's list on a
strong local stations that comes in well on both tuners. (I'd bet a lot more,
say $50, if I were observing the procedings or had some other way to be sure
they were actually done correctly.) Of course, a full report on FMtuners would
be required, and offer is limited to the first 5 people who report such a
difference.

Unlike some other things, such as modern power amplifiers, there are significant
frequency response variations, probably exceeding 1dB in many cases. But I
myself have been amazed at how hard even such easily measured differences are to
hear consistently in music without, say, days of well-designed practice.

(And given that, I am even more suspicious of the audible difference of
tweaks having with no measureable difference or sound theoretical basis.)

Charles

I'm pretty sure that the MR78 Jim tried out had been aligned within
the past two years. Jim can correct me if I am wrong.


Steven Bobenhouse <steve@f...> wrote:
I wonder what a good allignment would do. the factory always did a
pretty fair job.

steve



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Re: The next SHOOTOUT is up!

Thrassyvoulos Papadopoulos <stu32294@...>
 

Hi Ray,

yes, I am a proud owner of an astonishing FT-5500 Mk.2, but as you may have already noticed, `t was not myself, but Miklos who got the Sanyo Plus T-55. Maybe a sample of the latter will be tuner number 23 chez Thrassyvoulos one of these days.
Afa the neighbours are concerned they don`t even know what a Hitachi FT-5500 Mk.2 is, those poor fellas... 8-)
Best,
Thrassyvoulos


At 17:55 10.10.03, you wrote:
--- In FMtuners@..., Thrassyvoulos Papadopoulos
wrote:
> Ray,
>
> there is also another member of the group who just snatched a Plus
T-55 for
> ridiculous money. Maybe he will report, too, when he gets it!
> Best,
> Thrassyvoulos

Hello Thrassyvoulos,
Does this member of which you speak not also possess an FT-5500MKII?
What greater good fortune could befall one?  I suspect all his
neighbors can receive nothing as his antenna, hooked to such powerful
signal retrievers, literally suck all the FM radiated emmissions from
the sky!

WOW!
Good on you,
RFM


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Re: The next SHOOTOUT is up!

Ray McDonald <raym@...>
 

--- In FMtuners@yahoogroups.com, Thrassyvoulos Papadopoulos
<stu32294@m...> wrote:
Ray,

there is also another member of the group who just snatched a Plus
T-55 for
ridiculous money. Maybe he will report, too, when he gets it!
Best,
Thrassyvoulos
Hello Thrassyvoulos,
Does this member of which you speak not also possess an FT-5500MKII?
What greater good fortune could befall one? I suspect all his
neighbors can receive nothing as his antenna, hooked to such powerful
signal retrievers, literally suck all the FM radiated emmissions from
the sky!

WOW!
Good on you,
RFM


Re: The next SHOOTOUT is up!

miklos <mcseke@...>
 

Hi Thrassyvoulos,

Yes, the price was right, but will be shipped to Europe, so I won't
get it for a while.

Miklos



--- In FMtuners@yahoogroups.com, Thrassyvoulos Papadopoulos
<stu32294@m...> wrote:
Ray,

there is also another member of the group who just snatched a Plus
T-55 for
ridiculous money. Maybe he will report, too, when he gets it!
Best,
Thrassyvoulos



We also have a lucky lurker in this group that possesses a Plus T55!
He snatched it while was lost in futile indecision. We await his
report. Please!

Best regards,
RFM


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Re: The next SHOOTOUT is up!

Jim <jim@fmtunerinfo.com>
 

http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/shootouts.html#35T

One of those T 55's is at my warehouse but I've not listened to it
yet. 8:-) jim...
--- In FMtuners@yahoogroups.com, Thrassyvoulos Papadopoulos
<stu32294@m...> wrote:
Ray,

there is also another member of the group who just snatched a Plus
T-55 for
ridiculous money. Maybe he will report, too, when he gets it!
Best,
Thrassyvoulos



We also have a lucky lurker in this group that possesses a Plus
T55!
He snatched it while was lost in futile indecision. We await his
report. Please!

Best regards,
RFM


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Re: The next SHOOTOUT is up!

Thrassyvoulos Papadopoulos <stu32294@...>
 

Ray,

there is also another member of the group who just snatched a Plus T-55 for ridiculous money. Maybe he will report, too, when he gets it!
Best,
Thrassyvoulos



We also have a lucky lurker in this group that possesses a Plus T55!
He snatched it while was lost in futile indecision. We await his
report. Please!

Best regards,
RFM


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Re: The next SHOOTOUT is up!

Ray McDonald <raym@...>
 

--- In FMtuners@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim@f...> wrote:
http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/shootouts.html
A Sanyo this time. A SANYO?
Hi Jim,
Sure, Why not"A SANYO". I, for one, am not surprized by your
findings. Sanyo has hugh R&D and production facilities and on the
technical side can do pretty much whatever they want. ( Just who
makes all those LAXXXX MPX chips so loved by many?) But, on the
marketing side not Sanyo, not Toshiba, not Hitachi nor even Pioneer
can break out of their "Walmart" image in the snobbish audio salon
sphere of influence. Know anyone ready to fork out sums of cash for
an Aiwa 7 watt S.E.T.
mono block? 8:-))

Thank you for your "good as double blind" honesty in your shoot out
reviews. Im quite sure the legendary reviewer Anthony Cordesman (sp?)
would not have found anything to like about a mere Sanyo.

We also have a lucky lurker in this group that possesses a Plus T55!
He snatched it while was lost in futile indecision. We await his
report. Please!

Best regards,
RFM


Replacing KT-7500 power supply

res0b11n <jim.davis51@...>
 

I am considering replacing the stock KT-7500 supply
with an external +/- 13 split VDC supply ,
and a DPST DC power switch .
Must also replace the stock AC illumination ,
perhaps with 13 VDC into several series led's .

What about the following ?

--- VDC+ rewire -------
Desolder Qb8 power transisitor
install new VDC+ standoff at Qb8 emitter
VDC+ wire to DPST DC power switch +
VDC+ electrolytic cap to ground
VDC+ wire to series led illumination and resistor

--- VDC+ rewire ----------
break VDC- rail outside of ICb6 Dual Op Amp pin_4
install new VDC- standoff at pin_4
VDC- wire to DPST DC power switch -
VDC- tantalum cap to standoff 30 ground


Pioneer TX-400 tube tuner?

force92ca
 

Anyone know something about this one?

It's not listed among the tube tuners at the fmtunerinfo.com site.

Thanks.