Re: Bruce Carter grunge filter

Radu Bogdan Dicher

On further examination of the circuit, the op amps are ran in balanced PS mode. I may have to revise how I'm "grunge-decoupling" this. 

BTW - the ZD801 choice is very marginally sound - in my bench tuner, the zener was out of spec by about half a volt upwards, which therefore supplied the HA11211 (absolute maximum Vcc 13V) with just about 13.5V. I replaced it with a 12V zenner - in lack of a better matching part - but I came to think, btw, that the service manual incorrectly calls for +12V in the emitter of Q801. It should be +13V, to match the -13V on the negative rail. Either way, the zenner is spec'd too close to frying IC106 for comfort. I guess some drop over L102 dips it under 13V. Has everyone else noted this? 

Thank you,

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:32 PM Radu Bogdan Dicher via Groups.Io <> wrote:
Hi John,
And thank you for pitching in. In the case of this tuner, with its TA7136P, I went between pins 4 and 7 of each op amp with my "caps pack" - as visible in the picture enclosed. 

However, unless I triggered something totally unrelated, this seems to turn off any signal coming into the tuner (I get no indication of my generator's signal in by watching the tuning meter as I go over the adjusted frequency). The AP box doesn't sense audio signal coming in (the level adjusting relays would go off as I dial onto the generator frequency and past it). 

Busy with family and different projects (tube integrated indefinite lender for family member), so I didn't get back to this, but that's what's been going on the other day.

Thank you,

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 11:07 PM John Carpanini <jacarp@...> wrote:
Hi Radu,
  If I'm understanding you correctly yes all of the caps are in parallel going from B+ to ground.  Ideally you want the hot side of the cap with the shortest possible lead and let the ground side run as needed.  Here's what Bruce had to say from one of his earlier missives:

"In decoupling applications, I have long been an advocate of multiple capacitors - each creating more rejection in the stop band. At the point of power entry,

an aluminum or tantalum with a resonance of about 100 kHz, then near IC's a 0.1uF for 10 MHz, in parallel with a 0.01uF for about 70 to 80 MHz, in parallel
with an NPO/COG 1000pF for about 400 MHz, in parallel with a 33pF NPO/COG for 2.4 GHz (to get rid of cell phone trash). The three ceramics create about
equally spaced nulls on a log frequency plot, keeping overall stop band impedance very low. Of course I'd love to see a capacitor manufacturer put all
of those inside a single package, but it won't happen because practically nobody knows how to properly decouple circuits - preferring to use a single 0.1uF - a
legacy value from the middle 1960s when computer boards ran at about 1 MHz.


I recommend a small series resistor in line with the + and - supplies, 1 to 10 ohms or so, with the bypassing right at the op amp power pin.  This vastly improves power supply rejection ratio of the op amp.  Also, at minimum, 33 pF NPO in parallel with the 0.1 uF cap to get rid of cell phone interference.  Adding other caps in parallel such as 1000 pF NPO will improve FM rejection in the audio circuit."


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