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marty_in_mesa
While I have the software installed on the PC for the PCTurn 50, the computer I have, an older Compaq 486/DX2-66 has an apparent bad floppy controller. Unsure I can turn the onboard controller off and install an external controller. Computer is running Windows 3.1 I have the manuals but did not get the original disks. So I can't install the software. What are my options to get ahold of the original WINNC install disks? And then to get the parameters from the old machine onto the new (OLD machine, newer hardware) machine? Thanks in advance. Marty
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David Rabenius
Marty:
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You just call me I have the disks & can send you copies, also MSD data disks.
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Justin Cornely
Marty can I have some copies as well?
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androidge23@...
Me to please, I have daves lathe and it’s lost connection. Need to reinstal the winnc. Who still has a copy?
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androidge23@...
I will pay for the shipping and or the download. Any help would be greatly appreciated
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marty_in_mesa
While I am no expert, it's my understanding that the RS485 card needs to be installed in a slot in the computer that has a memory address reserved or configurable for it.
Can anyone that has done this confirm or elaborate? I have the manuals, but am away from home for a few more days. Marty
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androidge23@...
I have the manual, it states to change jumpers to match a memeory id suitable. The computer provided was claimed to be working when I bought it. I didn’t want to mess with it to much. I did however try to locate an id in the bios and system info but nothing shows. System in 98 states no cards are installed but if I hold down the 232 to 485 change buttons on the keyboard while winnc is open it visually shows disconnect. Makes me think that it’s fine. Changing ports on the card can replicate that, so I think the card is fine, the install was likely botched but I was not provided the original disks for some reason.
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wild_kow
Marty,
The RS485 card must be installed in a period PC circa Windows 95 or Windows 98 with a
full length ISA slot plus one for a video card, so ideally two or three, see below.
The PC should be a basic model with no built in onboard features such as video card. I had troubles with conflicts on numerous PC's because even disabling the onboard features in BIOS or in Windows is no guarantee that something else will not conflict. Reserving memory etc as stated in the manual is not a guarantee either. Sound/gaming port cards are also a no-no. LAN cards can also throw up problems.
Finding conflicts is frustrating. I bought two identical Windows 98 computers, one for my PC50 mill and one for my PC55 lathe. After spending many hours, disabling every onboard feature including video and purchasing a video card I got the mill to work with its RS232 card. Mirroring the PC for the lathe with RS485 card did not work. I tried every combination that I could think of but to no avail. I bought another PC as above and it worked first time.
I had been lent compatible PC's for both the mill and for the lathe so I was lucky and could study the setup. The one for the lathe had gaming software and a joystick port on the serial card. That card had some keypress
conflicts with the keyboard but I could not take the card out because the PC would not boot without it. I did not want to completely reinstall software on a loan computer.
When searching for a suitable PC make sure the video port is on a card rather than grouped with the other outlets from the motherboard.
Good luck!
John
From: Emco-CNC-Users@groups.io <Emco-CNC-Users@groups.io> on behalf of marty_in_mesa <marty.escarcega@...>
Sent: 02 July 2018 12:50 To: Emco-CNC-Users@groups.io Subject: Re: [Emco-CNC-Users] WINNC While I am no expert, it's my understanding that the RS485 card needs to be installed in a slot in the computer that has a memory address reserved or configurable for it.
Can anyone that has done this confirm or elaborate? I have the manuals, but am away from home for a few more days. Marty
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marty_in_mesa
Thank you for sharing your experience with the RS485 card and PCs you tried. Mine works with an old Compaq deskpro 486/DX2-66 Marty
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 6:11 AM wild_kow <jwild@...> wrote:
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wild_kow
You're welcome.
I should have mentioned but you have just reminded me about processors. Mine runs on a Pentium MMX but the Emco vintage is around the '86 processor series. Later Pentiums lost the ISA slots.
John
From: Emco-CNC-Users@groups.io <Emco-CNC-Users@groups.io> on behalf of marty_in_mesa <marty.escarcega@...>
Sent: 03 July 2018 12:16 To: Emco-CNC-Users@groups.io Subject: Re: [Emco-CNC-Users] WINNC Thank you for sharing your experience with the RS485 card and PCs you tried.
Mine works with an old Compaq deskpro 486/DX2-66
Marty
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 6:11 AM wild_kow <jwild@...> wrote:
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androidge23@...
well, I tried a new computer I bought off craigslist. A Bit newer than the one I was given in age. everything still looks and acts the same as before, even tho this one does not have the funky 90 degree angle ISA slot adapter and does not have on board video, which I attributed any further issues to be. Im pretty sure the software is botched or the card is dead. I do not see how as it was purchased "in working order". any fuses hidden away inside I should check?
It appears the actual communication board inside does not light up, while everything else does.
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wild_kow
One thought, is the cable good?
John
From: Emco-CNC-Users@groups.io <Emco-CNC-Users@groups.io> on behalf of androidge23@... <androidge23@...>
Sent: 06 July 2018 05:10 To: Emco-CNC-Users@groups.io Subject: Re: [Emco-CNC-Users] WINNC well, I tried a new computer I bought off craigslist. A Bit newer than the one I was given in age. everything still looks and acts the same as before, even tho this one does not have the funky 90 degree angle ISA slot adapter and does not have on board
video, which I attributed any further issues to be. Im pretty sure the software is botched or the card is dead. I do not see how as it was purchased "in working order". any fuses hidden away inside I should check?
It appears the actual communication board inside does not light up, while everything else does.
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androidge23@...
I have tried other cables in the set I received, even bought new ones. no dice
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androidge23@...
Thank you to marty for sending me the disk files. I just tried fresh computer, fresh format, fresh OS, everything as manual indicated. same error... Keyboard disconnects via key hold still also. so Im 99% sure everything is fine hardware.
The other 1% could be controller in the machine or this pesky MSD disk. The card that cables back to the db9 connector output does not light up at all in any LED's. everything is plugged in nice and tight. anyone else machine in idle not light up the controller card? if thats not it I discovered the MSD disk label has a number on it that resembled my machine sticker. behold! they do not match... I am 100% convinced this thing was not "running" as purchased if that be the case. I opened up the file on the MSD disk and explored the data in the DAT files via notepad. It appears there is a file $msd$ which typically is set up protocol in old software, inside it has the same number as the sticker on the disk and a whole lot of what appears to be commands and values. if one were to call emco and request the proper MSD disk for $$$ they likely just change this file to mesh with your serial number. like an old school USB dongle for high end software. I had to order more floppy disks. But I will update with what I find. I bet apples to oranges I can crack this stupid file and get it working.
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androidge23@...
That was a bust, it doesn’t seem to care about the serial number. The commands below are for winconfig selections I was able to validate. More head scratching revealed missing 16 pin connectors on the back of the machine cards. Inspecting other images of the wires for other 50’s showed those cards connected with ribbon cables. Mine are missing. I pray this will solve the issue.
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androidge23@...
Got the connectors, and still nothing.
I give up.
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Al Cost
David,
I could use a copy of your winNC and MSD data disk for my emco pc 50 turn and lathe. Do you also happen to have winCam? would be willing to pay for it. my phone number is 205-240-0742. Thanks Al
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Al Cost
David,
I could use a copy of your winNC and MSD data disk for my emco pc 50 turn and mill. Do you also happen to have winCam? would be willing to pay for it. my phone number is 205-240-0742.
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David Owen
I am in the UK. I have the msd disks for both machines but you need to have the msd disks specifically for your machines. Another post on here has explained how to get them.
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On Monday, February 18, 2019, 12:48 am, alcost@... wrote:
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Jan Emco
I do have a running PC 50 Mill but with corrupt floppies. So I am interested in any software that I can find that can be used with this machine I also have a Siemens terminal but lacks the software to realy use it. Jan (From the Netherland)
On Monday, February 18, 2019, 10:48:05 AM GMT+1, David Owen via Groups.Io <david.owen17@...> wrote:
I am in the UK. I have the msd disks for both machines but you need to have the msd disks specifically for your machines. Another post on here has explained how to get them. I will check the disks that I have to make sure that I have a copy of winNC and if you still don't have a copy I will sort a copy out for you.
On Monday, February 18, 2019, 12:48 am, alcost@... wrote:
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