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Re: Files Needed!

g d
 

I wish I went with a Centroid retro fit .I'm using a cnc4pc M16 and a Pokeys 57e so they both have their own software that has to work Mach its a big circle of who's problem is it .Machine runs and the tool chager works but not as well as I would like .

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020, 11:52:44 AM CDT, Constantine Christophi <conners@...> wrote:


Hi Michel!

So I am using the AC88 software from this group, there is no installation, it's just drag and drop so it only has Mill50 and Fan0.m folders with it. I also have a 5 floppy set up from this group, I believe it is AC95 so may not even work with my machine, but the first disk gives me a licence error and quits without even asking for the MSD. I'm using disk images on a USB flashfloppy emulator.

With the AC88 from the downloads section, it boots into Fanuc and immediately alarms out, maybe because it's expecting a Mill 50!

I still need to figure out how to use Wincfg to set up the machine too.

I am running Win 98 SE on the original PC.

Arjan, thanks, that seems to be siemens setup though, I'm looking for Fanuc.

G d, I agree, I'm much more familiar with Fanuc. It's the reason why I want to have both these machines running on original controls rather than a Centroid retrofit.


Re: Files Needed!

Constantine Christophi
 

Hi Michel!

So I am using the AC88 software from this group, there is no installation, it's just drag and drop so it only has Mill50 and Fan0.m folders with it. I also have a 5 floppy set up from this group, I believe it is AC95 so may not even work with my machine, but the first disk gives me a licence error and quits without even asking for the MSD. I'm using disk images on a USB flashfloppy emulator.

With the AC88 from the downloads section, it boots into Fanuc and immediately alarms out, maybe because it's expecting a Mill 50!

I still need to figure out how to use Wincfg to set up the machine too.

I am running Win 98 SE on the original PC.

Arjan, thanks, that seems to be siemens setup though, I'm looking for Fanuc.

G d, I agree, I'm much more familiar with Fanuc. It's the reason why I want to have both these machines running on original controls rather than a Centroid retrofit.


Re: Files Needed!

g d
 

I wish FANUC made a software that would work with my home made controller .I have worked on FANUC machines for many years and like there controls and interface . I have retro fitted a DYNA MYTE DM3000 and it uses Mach4 . Mach4 sucks .I am very jealous of you guys that get to use the OM interface to run your machines . 

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020, 10:27:15 AM CDT, arjan.dijk <arjan.dijk@...> wrote:


Maybe this helps you,  https://www.ebay.de/itm/283492876099 Its winnc of the age of your machine

Op di 16 jun. 2020 om 17:11 schreef <michel@...>:

Hello Constantine!

I set up a PC Turn 50 and a PC Mill 50 and I know that it is not that easy!

If I am getting i right, you would like to control both machines with 1 PC. So you have to do the installation 2 times.
First you install the software for your PC Mill 100 (the order of the machines does not matter). So you click on Fanuc 0 on the left side of the installation window and choose machinelicense on the right side then you click "Next" until you have to choose the machine data. (Pic. #1 & #2). Now to the folders you mentioned: The names of these folders are up to the machine data you choose during installation. So if you choose the machine data of your PC Mill 100, the folders are named Fan0.m and Mill100. If these folders have different names, your machine data are not the correct one. Same thing  for the PC Turn 120.

If you could do these steps and tell me your result, maybe I am able to give you further help.

Best wishes
Michel


Re: Files Needed!

arjan.dijk
 

Maybe this helps you,  https://www.ebay.de/itm/283492876099 Its winnc of the age of your machine

Op di 16 jun. 2020 om 17:11 schreef <michel@...>:

Hello Constantine!

I set up a PC Turn 50 and a PC Mill 50 and I know that it is not that easy!

If I am getting i right, you would like to control both machines with 1 PC. So you have to do the installation 2 times.
First you install the software for your PC Mill 100 (the order of the machines does not matter). So you click on Fanuc 0 on the left side of the installation window and choose machinelicense on the right side then you click "Next" until you have to choose the machine data. (Pic. #1 & #2). Now to the folders you mentioned: The names of these folders are up to the machine data you choose during installation. So if you choose the machine data of your PC Mill 100, the folders are named Fan0.m and Mill100. If these folders have different names, your machine data are not the correct one. Same thing  for the PC Turn 120.

If you could do these steps and tell me your result, maybe I am able to give you further help.

Best wishes
Michel


Re: Files Needed!

michel@...
 

Hello Constantine!

I set up a PC Turn 50 and a PC Mill 50 and I know that it is not that easy!

If I am getting i right, you would like to control both machines with 1 PC. So you have to do the installation 2 times.
First you install the software for your PC Mill 100 (the order of the machines does not matter). So you click on Fanuc 0 on the left side of the installation window and choose machinelicense on the right side then you click "Next" until you have to choose the machine data. (Pic. #1 & #2). Now to the folders you mentioned: The names of these folders are up to the machine data you choose during installation. So if you choose the machine data of your PC Mill 100, the folders are named Fan0.m and Mill100. If these folders have different names, your machine data are not the correct one. Same thing  for the PC Turn 120.

If you could do these steps and tell me your result, maybe I am able to give you further help.

Best wishes
Michel


Files Needed!

Constantine Christophi
 

Hi all, I've managed to get the AC88 WinNC to run on the PC, but I believe I need different folders. The folders supplied are Fan0.m, and Mill50. If you have them, please can you upload:

Fan0.t
Mill100
Turn120?

I would really appreciate it, I feel like I'm getting really close to getting my Mill 100 and Turn 120 up and running.

On the Turn, WinNC boots up and immediately alarms out with x/y/z axis not ready, but on the Mill it has a different alarm, so I think it's looking for the above folders.


Re: Seeking manual for 220p

David Rabenius
 

Ned:
  Type in EMCO 220p internet search. There is a company that has brochures, manuals, etc that you can download. There may be a guy who scans and repro's manuals for many machines. Check ebay or it may pop up on a internet search.


Seeking manual for 220p

Ned Lebens
 

Hello,

I just bought a 220p sans controls.  Fabrication number A7P B5 B6 016.  Where can I find a manual covering the mechanical aspects?

Thanks!
Ned


Re: Nema 23 motor source

David Rabenius
 

John:
Nema 23 motors are quite common. Unless you find the exact same EMCO motors then you will need a retrofit. You dont need 280 oz. Inch motors as the factories motors were less than 80 oz inch. These motors were custom made for EMCO by Superior electric. They are not true steppers, and therefore spend the money and upgrade. 80 oz. Motors shouldnt cost more than $50. each, unless you go to higher end ones. Figure $100 for motors, $250 for the Gecko 540 4 axis controller, $150. for a breakout board. $500 will get you a better machine. If you are not savy with electronics then find someone in your area. You mat find someone from this forum. I bought a machine and was making more than I was making at work. A local guy needed some parts made and for 6 months made over 100 parts for him. I am running 300 parts for a new customer, perfect for home shop jobber parts.

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 03:14:23 PM EDT, markotime <markotime@...> wrote:


I have 2 originals.   swap pulley end for end and do drill a hole. if u need belts 48mxl050 . 050 is half inch wide or 2x 1/8.  originals are NOT standard 200 steps  per rotation so original electronics won't work.  I used gecko or other drivers with Mach3   could do a deal on my old original motors for us50 plus ship from Canada. 

On Jun 9, 2020 10:11, John <john@...> wrote:
Hi 

I want to convert my old Compact 5 CNC to use Nema 23 motors.  I have most of the bits already, but I am having trouble sourcing the stepper motors.

Measuring the original motors, it looks like I need Nema 23s with a 24mm long, 1/4" diameter shaft.  There are loads around at 20.6 or 21mm, but 24mm or longer seems to be a rare thing.

I am in the UK, and tried to order some from China (after finding none in the UK), but after a lot of faffing about, they still haven't shipped and I am giving up on them.

Where are people finding their Nema 23 motors?  Is there a trick to fitting the original pulley to a 21mm shaft?  I thought about turning the pulley over, but the hole for the roll pin would be near impossible to drill, and I don't like the idea of a hole at the base of the shaft.

Cheers

John


Re: Nema 23 motor source

markotime
 

I have 2 originals.   swap pulley end for end and do drill a hole. if u need belts 48mxl050 . 050 is half inch wide or 2x 1/8.  originals are NOT standard 200 steps  per rotation so original electronics won't work.  I used gecko or other drivers with Mach3   could do a deal on my old original motors for us50 plus ship from Canada. 

On Jun 9, 2020 10:11, John <john@...> wrote:
Hi 

I want to convert my old Compact 5 CNC to use Nema 23 motors.  I have most of the bits already, but I am having trouble sourcing the stepper motors.

Measuring the original motors, it looks like I need Nema 23s with a 24mm long, 1/4" diameter shaft.  There are loads around at 20.6 or 21mm, but 24mm or longer seems to be a rare thing.

I am in the UK, and tried to order some from China (after finding none in the UK), but after a lot of faffing about, they still haven't shipped and I am giving up on them.

Where are people finding their Nema 23 motors?  Is there a trick to fitting the original pulley to a 21mm shaft?  I thought about turning the pulley over, but the hole for the roll pin would be near impossible to drill, and I don't like the idea of a hole at the base of the shaft.

Cheers

John


Nema 23 motor source

John
 

Hi 

I want to convert my old Compact 5 CNC to use Nema 23 motors.  I have most of the bits already, but I am having trouble sourcing the stepper motors.

Measuring the original motors, it looks like I need Nema 23s with a 24mm long, 1/4" diameter shaft.  There are loads around at 20.6 or 21mm, but 24mm or longer seems to be a rare thing.

I am in the UK, and tried to order some from China (after finding none in the UK), but after a lot of faffing about, they still haven't shipped and I am giving up on them.

Where are people finding their Nema 23 motors?  Is there a trick to fitting the original pulley to a 21mm shaft?  I thought about turning the pulley over, but the hole for the roll pin would be near impossible to drill, and I don't like the idea of a hole at the base of the shaft.

Cheers

John


Re: PC Turn 55 - Info for a newbie

arjan.dijk
 

I think WinCAM installs WinNC, but its not completely the same. WinNC offers me to start siemens/heidenhain/fanuc. WinCAM just starts. 

Op ma 8 jun. 2020 om 12:33 schreef TimG <tim@...>:

David,
Thank you, I didn't appreciate that WinCAM was an optional extra.  I don't have a 3.5" floppy with MSD files.  On the PC for my PCT55, I haven't found WinNC; is it possible to have WinCAM without WinNC being installed?
Is WinNC a DOS program rather than being in the Windows98 menu?


Re: PCT55 - AC95 - Smoke seen - Checking capaitors

J G
 

Difficult to tell from here but that does look like power circuitry as suspected. In my experience the tantalums often fail short circuit ( from overheat / melting) while the polyprops and polystyrenes often fail open (from total destruction) - all mainly due to age degradation or prolonged overstressing from marginal cicuit design.
This means the tants can be more likely to cause damage to preceding circuit elements such as power transistors, regulators, fuses ... when they go. Not always tho and it at least its clear where to look.
Just FYI, I find electrolytics of this machine's era quite reliable. There is a widespread well known problem with modern electrolytics from "certain sources" due to poor manufacture - esp in high stress applications. I've had to replace them on numerous motherboards, LCD monitors, appliances etc. They don't usually fail catastrophically (smoke !) - just become quietly high impedance.
In your case, depending on the circuit function involved - eg de-coupling, the value may not be all that critical.
Regards JG


Re: PCT55 - AC95 - Smoke seen - Checking capaitors

TimG
 

atsel02,
Thank you for the photos of your AC95, it would be great to get the capacitor values when you can get close to the hardware again.
Keep safe, thank you


Re: PCT55 - AC95 - Smoke seen - Checking capaitors

atsel02.ell@...
 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 03:16 AM, TimG wrote:

Hi,
In my previous topic "PC Turn 55 - Info for a newbie", J G kindly advised that the smoke seen from my AC95 module may come from a degraded capacitor.  I have removed the AC95 from the PCT55 and looked for evidence of damage.

Please see 2 photos attached.

I was focused on checking the large cylindrical electrolytic capacitors, but seeing no indications of burning.  I then noticed discolouration of a smaller bead capacitor, perhaps it's a Tantalum pearl electrolytic capacitor.  There is also a bead of metal(?) evident on the discoloured capacitor.

Can anyone help me identify the value of the replacement capacitor?  Do you have an AC95 handy to take a photo of that capacitor and its markings?
I suspect that the Emco electronic schematic for the AC95 is not in the public domain, has anyone identified the component values?

Tim


 Hi tim 
I have an AC 95 board from a PC MILL 125 but it is also broken and I cant get it until my school opens again.
This are the only photos I have of it.


Re: PC Turn 55 - Info for a newbie

TimG
 

David,
Thank you, I didn't appreciate that WinCAM was an optional extra.  I don't have a 3.5" floppy with MSD files.  On the PC for my PCT55, I haven't found WinNC; is it possible to have WinCAM without WinNC being installed?
Is WinNC a DOS program rather than being in the Windows98 menu?


PCT55 - AC95 - Smoke seen - Checking capaitors

TimG
 

Hi,
In my previous topic "PC Turn 55 - Info for a newbie", J G kindly advised that the smoke seen from my AC95 module may come from a degraded capacitor.  I have removed the AC95 from the PCT55 and looked for evidence of damage.

Please see 2 photos attached.

I was focused on checking the large cylindrical electrolytic capacitors, but seeing no indications of burning.  I then noticed discolouration of a smaller bead capacitor, perhaps it's a Tantalum pearl electrolytic capacitor.  There is also a bead of metal(?) evident on the discoloured capacitor.

Can anyone help me identify the value of the replacement capacitor?  Do you have an AC95 handy to take a photo of that capacitor and its markings?
I suspect that the Emco electronic schematic for the AC95 is not in the public domain, has anyone identified the component values?

Tim


Re: PC Turn 55 - Info for a newbie

David Rabenius
 

WinCam was a program that was optional to purchase from EMCO. Nice thing about it was it was plug & play with little to no editing. Some CAD\CAM packages you need post processors for that machine and the cost can be high.


Re: PC Turn 50 Headstock Alignment

lmcinroy
 

That error is pretty good , you could change the plastic strips on the saddle to see if it helps?
A new set of headstock bearings might improve things.
Before you do any of this , centre drill the end and use the tailstock to see if there is any improvement.

This would be considered pretty good on a manual lathe and at 2" out on a small Dia, say under 10mm this would be normal.
The Emco is well made but at 2" out and on small Diameters you are beyond the tolerance of the bearings

Regards Frank

On 7 Jun 2020 02:25, mmcdade@... wrote:

Hi All,

 

I use a PC 50 lathe which turns a slight taper (wider by 0.0018" at 2" out from the headstock).  Is there a way to adjust the headstock?  I took the cover off and the prismatic shape of the front way is built into the headstock so that's not obviously adjustable short of scraping.  I tried shimming the far end of the bed like you would level to adjust twist in the bed of a conventional floor mounted horizontal engine lathe.  That didn't change anything and I suspect it just slightly deformed the sheet metal holding the bed.  Any ideas on this?  I admit that the error is pretty small but I sometimes make little optical mounts that slide together and they and I are happier when things are cylindrical.

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 



Re: Compact 5 CNC and Fusion 360 #a6a112001

 

Charlie, are you trying to turn buffers for railway wagons in 3/4" scale?

Cheers,

Chris