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Bonjour à tous,
Je recherche la documentation électrique d'une VMC100 en français.

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Olivier


Re: Compact 5 and F1 upgrade.

nicholas Gear
 

United Kingdom


On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 21:32 Roderick Mellott, <rodm717@...> wrote:
Where is Devon? 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 3:53 PM nicholas Gear <Nicholasgear@...> wrote:
I'm down in devon. Can do pics and co next time I get into the workshop.

On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, 6:48 pm marty_in_mesa, <marty.escarcega@...> wrote:
As Always, Pictures, Price and location please

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 10:47 AM nicholas Gear <Nicholasgear@...> wrote:
Looking to sell my compact 5 CNC emco lath. All original no mods. With tool auto post . Anyone interested?


Re: Compact 5 and F1 upgrade.

Roderick Mellott
 

Where is Devon? 


On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 3:53 PM nicholas Gear <Nicholasgear@...> wrote:
I'm down in devon. Can do pics and co next time I get into the workshop.

On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, 6:48 pm marty_in_mesa, <marty.escarcega@...> wrote:
As Always, Pictures, Price and location please

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 10:47 AM nicholas Gear <Nicholasgear@...> wrote:
Looking to sell my compact 5 CNC emco lath. All original no mods. With tool auto post . Anyone interested?


Re: Compact 5 and F1 upgrade.

nicholas Gear
 

I'm down in devon. Can do pics and co next time I get into the workshop.


On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, 6:48 pm marty_in_mesa, <marty.escarcega@...> wrote:
As Always, Pictures, Price and location please

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 10:47 AM nicholas Gear <Nicholasgear@...> wrote:
Looking to sell my compact 5 CNC emco lath. All original no mods. With tool auto post . Anyone interested?


Re: Compact 5 and F1 upgrade.

Chile Bike
 

I'll get some pictures together & connect it up to show it working. It's had new triacs & other bits & pieces as I've had to fix it a few times, but the Chinese replacement saw it off in my Mach 3 conversion. Sadly my motor went bang, the balance material came off, so I've put another motor on. Still trying to get this machne to cut something to find if it will do what I want.
sdk


On Tuesday, 20 October 2020, 17:12:11 BST, JDT <toler_j@...> wrote:



Sounds great! Very generous of you! Any chance you can send a pic of the board to insure it is the same? I live in Kentucky in USA. Where are you? Just trying to guestimate postage costs.  You can email me at Toler_j@....  Thanks!

JDT
On Tuesday, October 20, 2020, 10:21:49 AM CDT, Chile Bike via groups.io <chile_bike@...> wrote:


Buddy,
I have one of these, it's seperated from the speed control part, but that's there as well, and you are welcome to have it for the cost of postage. However, you might want to look at one of these:
AC180V-260V Input DC220V Output 8A adjust PWM DC Motor Speed Controller Driver

eBay item number:
112212401393
which is about 1000% better - speed to zero, isolated inputs, no choke. Just get the 180 volt version. I'm happy to get rid of this thing, I have enough junk already!
sdk
Simon Kay


On Tuesday, 20 October 2020, 13:32:01 BST, JDT <toler_j@...> wrote:


If you are retrofitting the Compact 5, I would be interested in buying some of the discarded original parts. I have a Compact 5 that is in need of an EMCO A6A/112001  motor control board. I can purchase or have extra parts to trade if you have parts needs. Thanks!

JDT


Re: Compact 5 and F1 upgrade.

marty_in_mesa
 

As Always, Pictures, Price and location please


On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 10:47 AM nicholas Gear <Nicholasgear@...> wrote:
Looking to sell my compact 5 CNC emco lath. All original no mods. With tool auto post . Anyone interested?


Re: Compact 5 and F1 upgrade.

nicholas Gear
 

Looking to sell my compact 5 CNC emco lath. All original no mods. With tool auto post . Anyone interested?


Re: Compact 5 and F1 upgrade.

JDT
 


Sounds great! Very generous of you! Any chance you can send a pic of the board to insure it is the same? I live in Kentucky in USA. Where are you? Just trying to guestimate postage costs.  You can email me at Toler_j@....  Thanks!

JDT

On Tuesday, October 20, 2020, 10:21:49 AM CDT, Chile Bike via groups.io <chile_bike@...> wrote:


Buddy,
I have one of these, it's seperated from the speed control part, but that's there as well, and you are welcome to have it for the cost of postage. However, you might want to look at one of these:
AC180V-260V Input DC220V Output 8A adjust PWM DC Motor Speed Controller Driver

eBay item number:
112212401393
which is about 1000% better - speed to zero, isolated inputs, no choke. Just get the 180 volt version. I'm happy to get rid of this thing, I have enough junk already!
sdk
Simon Kay


On Tuesday, 20 October 2020, 13:32:01 BST, JDT <toler_j@...> wrote:


If you are retrofitting the Compact 5, I would be interested in buying some of the discarded original parts. I have a Compact 5 that is in need of an EMCO A6A/112001  motor control board. I can purchase or have extra parts to trade if you have parts needs. Thanks!

JDT


Re: Compact 5 and F1 upgrade.

Chile Bike
 

Buddy,
I have one of these, it's seperated from the speed control part, but that's there as well, and you are welcome to have it for the cost of postage. However, you might want to look at one of these:
AC180V-260V Input DC220V Output 8A adjust PWM DC Motor Speed Controller Driver

eBay item number:
112212401393
which is about 1000% better - speed to zero, isolated inputs, no choke. Just get the 180 volt version. I'm happy to get rid of this thing, I have enough junk already!
sdk
Simon Kay


On Tuesday, 20 October 2020, 13:32:01 BST, JDT <toler_j@...> wrote:


If you are retrofitting the Compact 5, I would be interested in buying some of the discarded original parts. I have a Compact 5 that is in need of an EMCO A6A/112001  motor control board. I can purchase or have extra parts to trade if you have parts needs. Thanks!

JDT


Re: Compact 5 and F1 upgrade.

JDT
 

If you are retrofitting the Compact 5, I would be interested in buying some of the discarded original parts. I have a Compact 5 that is in need of an EMCO A6A/112001  motor control board. I can purchase or have extra parts to trade if you have parts needs. Thanks!

JDT


Re: Concept Turn 55 (Confused wit software)

sean.willmott@...
 

On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 03:46 PM, arjan.dijk wrote:
CAM system.

Thanks, Arjan much appreciated for your reply, so as a cam system like Fusion 360 Cam or Inventor Cam?
Do I just drop them in a folder on the Lathe PC? 

 

I really need an operator manauel for the Fanuc 21 but cant find one. 

 

CamConcept looks quite simple but I don't even know where to get a license:-(


Re: Concept Turn 55 (Confused wit software)

arjan.dijk
 

You probably have a Fanuc 21 pc control available.that can be controlled by the keyboard. You can also install other controls like Siemens 840D, but you need a license, CAM Concept or something else. You can all load them with NC files from a CAM system. With the install you need a machine data disk (MSD) The benefit of a UCNC control here is limited and the build in control is quite good. Siemens 840D is the easiest of them all to work with. 

Good luck. A lot of people here with some knowledge.

Arjan

Op zo 18 okt. 2020 om 00:13 schreef <sean.willmott@...>:

Hi, Peoples, I have a concept turn 55 (network cable) with the GE Fanuc Keyboard, I have managed to get it running manually from the keyboard 
with limited success.

 

WinNC (running) (is its just a DRO?)

I can do the following from the Fanuc21  Keyboard

Reset Axis's (on start)

Move X&Z Axis 

Turn Spindle on and off (no speed control though)

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////

 

I have tried to install cam concept but it asking for a license file etc and I can only run in demo mode and can't connect to the Lathe (could be doing something wrong)
I have no idea how I get a cutting file into the control software etc or really where to go from here.

I have a USB file with all the install files on it and another that has two other files on it as well, I think they are the machine setup files and a lic file?

 

I run two CNC' Routers both on UCCNC, I have a mach3 licence doing nothing that I could allocate to the lathe and upgrade it but in all honesty, I would rather use what I have :-) if I can work it out.

 


Concept Turn 55 (Confused wit software)

sean.willmott@...
 

Hi, Peoples, I have a concept turn 55 (network cable) with the GE Fanuc Keyboard, I have managed to get it running manually from the keyboard 
with limited success.

 

WinNC (running) (is its just a DRO?)

I can do the following from the Fanuc21  Keyboard

Reset Axis's (on start)

Move X&Z Axis 

Turn Spindle on and off (no speed control though)

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////

 

I have tried to install cam concept but it asking for a license file etc and I can only run in demo mode and can't connect to the Lathe (could be doing something wrong)
I have no idea how I get a cutting file into the control software etc or really where to go from here.

I have a USB file with all the install files on it and another that has two other files on it as well, I think they are the machine setup files and a lic file?

 

I run two CNC' Routers both on UCCNC, I have a mach3 licence doing nothing that I could allocate to the lathe and upgrade it but in all honesty, I would rather use what I have :-) if I can work it out.

 


Re: Compact 5 and F1 upgrade.

marty_in_mesa
 

3 phase 1/2hp motor used on the PC5 lathe. Direct bolt in replacement. https://www.tvtamerica.net/collections/mt%C2%AE/products/tn63c2-na
B14 frame.

I don't know about the mill yet.
Good luck with your builds! Create a build log on the Centroid User Forums or at least create a google album and share the link.

Marty

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 12:45 PM <benjamin.ellis@...> wrote:
Well I have ordered 2 Centroid kits, 5 servo kits from DMM, I went with the 200W servos, they are rated at .64Nm with a peak of 1.91Nm, which is lower than the steppers Marty suggested so hopefully are not too big. Got 2 industrial NUCs and screens on their way too. Keen to get building. 

Still need to source a motor for the lathe, I have a few option for those, not sure what to do for the spindle motor on the mill, the motors on them look ok but are unknown until run, which is not possible as neither mills are complete, the electrics are completely stripped out. I would prefer to replace the lot in one go so I am not trying to redo wiring and controls later. More research required. 


Re: Compact 5 and F1 upgrade.

benjamin.ellis@...
 

Well I have ordered 2 Centroid kits, 5 servo kits from DMM, I went with the 200W servos, they are rated at .64Nm with a peak of 1.91Nm, which is lower than the steppers Marty suggested so hopefully are not too big. Got 2 industrial NUCs and screens on their way too. Keen to get building. 

Still need to source a motor for the lathe, I have a few option for those, not sure what to do for the spindle motor on the mill, the motors on them look ok but are unknown until run, which is not possible as neither mills are complete, the electrics are completely stripped out. I would prefer to replace the lot in one go so I am not trying to redo wiring and controls later. More research required. 


Re: Compact 5 and F1 upgrade.

marty_in_mesa
 

I would NOT put a 750W servo on those machines. I used 750W servos on my 3000lb Emcoturn 140 with large ballscrews....
I and others have NOT had good experience using a DMM AC Servo motor for a spindle. The issue is that servos need tuning.
The small 3 phase motors from TVT America (It is Italian made motor so can be sourced from other countries I would imagine) and the sensorless vector TD200 drive from Factorymation.com make a good pair. (or similar)
You will have to fit encoders however you can. I think my solution for the PC5 lathe is elegant. I have not done or seen a PC55 mill yet so I don't know if its doable...yet.

It is better to use a timing belt so there is no slippage. Its the way its traditionally done and at 1:1 with the spindle.

My .02. Others may have their experiences to share on the setups they used when doing their conversions.
Marty


On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 6:57 AM <benjamin.ellis@...> wrote:
Well I am thinking I may go for the DMM Dyn4 servo option (0.2kW 0.637N.m rated 1.91N.m peak), with the conversion rate or paying Aussie prices locally (well 2500klms away locally) I am up for pretty much the same money for these or the steppers / separate drive or the integrated steppers, especially once I add in a DC power supply. 

I am undecided on what to do for the spindle motor, I am leaning toward a DMM servo for this as well, price wise it is much the same for a 3ph motor and a VSD as it is for the DYN4 servo?

Some say no servo, some say servo is better, I think the 86M-DHT will be more than enough power, maybe to much? I thing the .4 would do but the larger mass of the DHT might work better, you don't have to use all the power do you! 

I assume a spindle encoder is still required even if using a timing belt? to deal with slip / stretch etc. 

The next question is, if I am going to pay for freight etc I may as well buy all the servos for the mill as well. I was thinking maybe the .4kw DYN4s for the mill and the brake for Z axis. then the same spindle motor as for the lathe. 

The lathe and the mills owe me nothing so far so I don't have initial purchase price eating into my funds. I have no further plans to upgrade once this is done.


Re: Compact 5 and F1 upgrade.

benjamin.ellis@...
 

Well I am thinking I may go for the DMM Dyn4 servo option (0.2kW 0.637N.m rated 1.91N.m peak), with the conversion rate or paying Aussie prices locally (well 2500klms away locally) I am up for pretty much the same money for these or the steppers / separate drive or the integrated steppers, especially once I add in a DC power supply. 

I am undecided on what to do for the spindle motor, I am leaning toward a DMM servo for this as well, price wise it is much the same for a 3ph motor and a VSD as it is for the DYN4 servo?

Some say no servo, some say servo is better, I think the 86M-DHT will be more than enough power, maybe to much? I thing the .4 would do but the larger mass of the DHT might work better, you don't have to use all the power do you! 

I assume a spindle encoder is still required even if using a timing belt? to deal with slip / stretch etc. 

The next question is, if I am going to pay for freight etc I may as well buy all the servos for the mill as well. I was thinking maybe the .4kw DYN4s for the mill and the brake for Z axis. then the same spindle motor as for the lathe. 

The lathe and the mills owe me nothing so far so I don't have initial purchase price eating into my funds. I have no further plans to upgrade once this is done.


Re: Windows 98 hard drive help

David Rabenius
 

The external floppy or CDRom connects via USB plug. I have & use both.

Dave

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 2:39 PM David Rabenius via groups.io <taborboy78=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
If you have a USB port on the P.C. then you can buy a external CD or floppy drive for under $40.00 on Amazon. I had the same problem works with my newer P.C.'S perfectly.

Dave

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 9:23 AM Jan Emco via groups.io <jhoogma=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 9:43:31 PM GMT+2, Baschwar@ <baschwar@...> wrote:


Can anyone help me get a working Windows98 hard drive set up? 
I have the machine and a drive, but no way to get Windows 98 installed since the computer doesn't have a CDROM -- only floppy. 
Suggestions? 


Re: Compact 5 and F1 upgrade.

marty_in_mesa
 

Because steppers are usually oversized by up to 30% for a safety cushion due to their open loop nature, you could downsize by that much. Don't put too big a motor on the little PC5....if you hit a hard stop, you want the drive to fault and not twist or break something. 

Marty

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 6:39 PM <benjamin.ellis@...> wrote:
Thanks Marty, the clearpaths look really good as for price everything is looking to be around the same for me by the time I get them here, I was looking at the DMM servos too as I have some already for another project, that I haven't got to yet. How do you size the servos in comparison to the steppers, there is no real apples to apples, I need to find the machine specs for these so I can work out speeds etc


Re: Compact 5 and F1 upgrade.

benjamin.ellis@...
 

Thanks Marty, the clearpaths look really good as for price everything is looking to be around the same for me by the time I get them here, I was looking at the DMM servos too as I have some already for another project, that I haven't got to yet. How do you size the servos in comparison to the steppers, there is no real apples to apples, I need to find the machine specs for these so I can work out speeds etc