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Re: Windows 98 hard drive help
Baschwar@
No usb on this machine.
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I have the CF Card Adapter, but imaging the iso didn’t work. May have to try the partitioning. I don’t have a boot disk (yet) Thanks for the input Brad
On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, arjan.dijk <arjan.dijk@...> wrote:
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Re: Windows 98 hard drive help
arjan.dijk
Several options 2. Try a CompactFlash card (has the same pinout as ide, only smaller, adapters are cheap) as a harddrive and fill it with the windows setup 3. Try a SD IDE adapter 4, Connect the harddisk to a modern pc with a USB ide adapter, partition the drive and copy the windows setup to a second partition. Still have to boot from a floppy I think Op wo 5 aug. 2020 om 21:43 schreef Baschwar@ <baschwar@...>:
Can anyone help me get a working Windows98 hard drive set up?
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Windows 98 hard drive help
Baschwar@
Can anyone help me get a working Windows98 hard drive set up?
I have the machine and a drive, but no way to get Windows 98 installed since the computer doesn't have a CDROM -- only floppy. Suggestions?
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Re: 3.5 inch floppy drive controller
Hi Ron,
Most of the C5 lathes seem to have tape drives. There is at least one C5 on YouTube with a floppy fitted but that doesn't help a lot. I have looked on most of the forums and YouTube but there seems to be a shortage of information on the disk drive. I would love to see the schematic of the interface card but there does not seem to be one about. As there is a possibility that the interface is an OEM product I have been scouring the internet but have not found anything. I'm sure that something will turn one day but in the meantime I have a very dead floppy drive. Keith
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Re: 3.5 inch floppy drive controller
Ron Bihler
I have been following this email chain, I have a T2 control on a VMC100 with a floppy drive. It has never worked and I am curious if this is a similar system to what you have.
I ended up taking a microtape drive unit from a backup t2 control I had and have been running that. I really don't care much for the tapes though and I only have 3 of them.
I will say I was able to plug the tape drive in and it worked right away. With that said I also installed the CPU board from the old T2 I got the tape drive from as the main CPU has some bad interface circuits. Changing both items may be why it worked so
easily.
I do recall the original CPU did say Disk for saving and am pretty sure it now lists tape, but I would need to confirm. I am not sure if there is an eprom change other than the "Disk/Tape" change.
I would like to revisit the Disk unit depending on your results. I will continue to follow and will locate the disk and controller drive this weekend to confirm some of the information on the unit I have.
Ron
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VMC-100 central lubrication intervals
atlantis@...
Hi
I am currently retrofitting my VMC-100, it is a slow process but I think I'm getting there. For the Willy Vogel central lubrication my plan is to turn it into a time-interval lubrication. I'm sure that LinuxCNC can do the same travel-based lubrication that the M2 control does (add up the travel on the guides and turn the pump on for 8 s after every 20 m) but I can still dive into that later if necessary, for the moment I try to keep the fancy programming to a minimum. I have also added a level control that starts beeping if the oil level in the reservoir goes too low, basically every other machine I know does that anyway. The only thing I wonder is what interval might be appropriate. Has anyone else done it this way and what intervals are you using? Regards Martin
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Re: 3.5 inch floppy drive controller
Hi JG,
I have uploaded some photos of the Floppy drive and interface card as an album. The Interface board is marked DE115/2 The Eprom has the following numbers and letters EMCO EXDI or 1 P28311155 /2.32 The board has a label with (3)? 2665 V2.0 WA85094. The Disc ( disk) drive is a TEAC FD235HF. The disk drive looks standard but there is a fine wire added which can be seen in the photos. As you say this interface is probably manufactured by someone other than Emco and then fitted with an Emco EPROM. I am still looking round the internet to see if I can find anything. The black electrolytic capacitor is the 16 Volt rail. There is a small black block marked PJ220 next to this cap and a 4.7 volt Zener diode just in front of the power transistor. The large blue electrolytic is the 5Volt rail which does not appear. I will keep on investigating. Keith
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3 photos uploaded
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Emco-CNC-Users@groups.io Notification <Emco-CNC-Users@...>
The following photos have been uploaded to the 3.5 " Floppy Drive album of the Emco-CNC-Users@groups.io group. By: Keith
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Keith added the album 3.5 " Floppy Drive: £.5" Floppy Drive and Interface Card Keith added the album 3.5 " Floppy Drive: 3.5 " Floppy Drive and Interface Card
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Re: 3.5 inch floppy drive controller
Hi Dieter,
The electrolytic capacitors have been checked with several instruments and both are OK and hold a charge. The blue one can be taken out of circuit with the link next to it. I do have a desoldering iron but decided not to remove the caps as they test OK. I don't have another photo at the moment but here is a brighter version of the original. I am still convinced that someone has been playing about with this interface before I bought the lathe. The row of links can be seen at the top left of the picture there is a brass link fitted but it is turned round so it does not currently do anything. Keith
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Re: 3.5 inch floppy drive controller
Dieter
Hi Keith,
Very difficult to see details on the picture, the resolution is to bad. You can send me a better and brighter picture with the highest resolution, look in the address book. Look also at the cap's like "J G" did or replace them immediately, perhaps one fails, of course if you have a good "desolder iron". Dieter
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Re: 3.5 inch floppy drive controller
Hi Dieter,
Thanks for your message. Unfortunately I have not had any replies from anyone with a C5 with floppy drive. There are three DIP header links on the board.(green) 2 have no links connected the third has a link, at the side of the large blue capacitor. There is a strip of links (coloured green in the photo I posted above. No links are fitted in this block. It may all be correct but as the back was off the lathe when I bought it I don't know its history. If anyone does have a C5 with a floppy I would be grateful if they could see how it is connected. Keith
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Re: 3.5 inch floppy drive controller
Dieter
Hi Keith,
-There is a strip of links on the PCB but nothing is linked, this may be correct or links could be missing. If there were links missing one must see burned or scratch traces. Ask for pictures from the board to compare with your board from an owner of a disk equipped C5. Dieter
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Re: 3.5 inch floppy drive controller
Hi All,
The 5 Volt rail would appear to be the problem. There is a link on the PCB to all the components that run on 5V. I decided to open the link and provide a 5 volt supply from a separate PSU. The drive then senses a disc and opens the cover on the floppy. I no longer get the error codes but the drive does not load or save programmes or erase discs. Trying to draw out part of the circuit but its very tiny and difficult to see. I currently suspect that the 5 volt rail should only be turned on when some action is required. Further investigations later today. There is a strip of links on the PCB but nothing is linked, this may be correct or links could be missing. A schematic must be out there somewhere. Keith
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Re: 3.5 inch floppy drive controller
Hi JG,
Thanks for your message. I suspect that the fault lies with the FDD/Interface because of the lack of the 5 Volt rail. As everything else on the CPU board seems to work well it is as you say unlikely to be on that board. I did a basic machine code / robotics course in the early eighties but I have forgotten most of the useful stuff. As my old boss used to say "there are no problems only solutions". Another check of the interface board for failed components. Keith
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Re: 3.5 inch floppy drive controller
Dieter
Hi Keith,
-The word "Disk" must programmed into the video EPROM so I now know that the instructions are the same. Just for info: All text on the screen is stored on the CPU EPROM's in a data field, the video EPROM stores the character set. I made some extensions for my C5 with the EPROM file from Kapsi Ketturi, I can now display lowercase letters and a lot of special characters because I can load a comment which is displayed on the MAN screen. (workpiece name, tools etc, this nearly empty screen must be used :-) ) and it is better readable with mixed characters; all this just for fun, I like experimenting. (the special characters from EMCO are untouched of course) https://ketturi.kapsi.fi/2017/10/reverse-engineering-emco-cnc-video-controller/ So EMCO made however some modifications to the source code. Do you have the possibility to readout the CPU EPROM's, I am curious about the differences between tape equipped and disk C5. By the way you would have a backup of the EPROMS in case they fail. Dieter
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Re: 3.5 inch floppy drive controller
Hi John,
Thanks for your message. I have a permanent PC in my workshop so its easy to use mfi. My problem is the fact I don't like things that don't work. As everything else now works I can now try the lathe. I have been giving some thought to using an arduino or a raspberry pi to store to a usb stick but it's only a thought. If I sort it I will write up what I find. Keith
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Re: 3.5 inch floppy drive controller
Hi Keith, I have been following your progress with interest on the various forums. I have a working c5 except the cassette, I first thought I cannot be bothered moving the lathe to sort out after I tried previously alternative interface board and cassette unit. Then I was making a batch of 50 identical parts cycle time 8.1/2 minutes involving a few stops for coffee food etc. making these I though it actually would be nice to save the running program instead of bringing the computer out to the workshop each time. So being as I only wanted to save the running program I looked round for a storage unit to save it as serial data from the rs232 port via g66. I came up with a universal serial buffer W&T 88642 4mb storage off ebay (quite expensive new) this works ok to upload and download from the c5 or MFI Im sure other units may be similar, although it can only save 1 program this is ok as it can be left next to the lathe during stops. John
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Re: 3.5 inch floppy drive controller
Hi All,
Today I plugged in a monitor to the C5 to see what happened when I loaded a programme from MFI. I also tried to save the programme to Floppy Disc. The commands used for the FDD are the same as those used fir Tape. The Monitor has the information Save to Disk, Erase and load from Disk. The word Disk must programmed into the video EPROM so I now know that the instructions are the same. However the Disk (disc) drive does nothing and alarms appear both on the machine and repeated on the monitor. I am beginning to wonder if someone has in the past changed something on the interface to FDD board. As I have mentioned before there is no 5 Volt supply to the FDD or any of the chips on the interface card. There is a power transistor on the interface board but I would have expected to see a fixed 5 volt regulator. One mystery solved but another one to solve. Keith
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Re: 3.5 inch floppy drive controller
Hi Dieter,
Thanks for your message. Yes it is strange that the 5 volts is not taken from the PSU. I am not too bothered about the disc for the moment as my PC interface works very well even at 300 Baud using MFI. I don't find the slow speed much of a problem. My other CNC Lathe (Conect Cadet Plus) is 9600 Baud but it is software driven (DOS) running in DosBox on windows10. I will keep looking for information about the FDD it will eventually turn up somewhere. I have only had the C5 for a month and nothing worked properly when I got it. Now everything except the FDD works so I am happy with that. Keith
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