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Emco F1 mill conversion

Dave Leer
 

Hello, I am looking to convert an Emco F1 mill.
Question 1.
What stepper power motors does this need, (volt/amp or torque?).
Question 2.
Has anyone used the Masso G3 controller, to convert an Emco CNC machine?
Thank you
Jac

Emco isa card plus

Dave Leer
 

Hello, I had an Emco pc turn 50. I saw the lathe working when I bought it. In transportation the computer mother board failed. I converted the
lathe and gave it to my son. I kept the hard drive from the computer along with the 485 card and the MSD in both 3 1/2 and 5 1/4 floppies. I also have
what looks like MSD for the pc mill 50. I also have some open ring binders for training. I also have a GE Faunac series 0, Emco key board. I have no use
for these and I would like for someone in this group to use them. I am Cincinnati OH.
Have a great day
Jac

Re: FreeDos installation help for Emco Lathe 2.8

jonathanp51203@...
 

Thank you for responding. 

Yes, I have the manual, but you may be right on the fact that freedos is non-compatible with the EMCO software. I am under the assumption that the hardware is perfectly well. I will try to install a pure dos 6.2 setup and upgrade to windows 98 since that is likely going to work out if anything else. 

When I boot up dos, it directs me to the C: drive, I navigate to the installation files and can install the files perfectly, I have used the Simulator which also runs properly, just running compact.exe seems to never run. Thank you for again for helping, I'll see to it tomorrow and give you an update.

Re: FreeDos installation help for Emco Lathe 2.8

David Rabenius
 

Here is the link for the manuals for the PC5. Go down t o the software section and it will describe the sequence to get into the software programming & running.


On Friday, January 10, 2020, 08:41:22 AM EST, David Rabenius via Groups.Io <swedeson2002@...> wrote:


You probably need to use Windows 98 or 2000 as XP sometimes is hard to boot into DOS. I think that your DOS is a shell and not compatible with the EMCO software. When you install the software are you getting the setup screens that you choose or just one screen. Some machines used a Dongle, there was also a article that allowed you to use Linux I believe with NO modifications to the machine. There was an article that had you snip out the EPROM in Digital machinist magazine to run on Mach 3 DON’T DO THIS!!  As you will have to use separate CAD software program.

  When you boot up at the DOS prompt what do you get? You have to do several inputs  like CD \ , then CD EMCO, then EMCO  Compact, it will then  be good to go. I haven’t used this software in 12 years so I will have to check . Do you have a manual?, they are online and it will tell you. If you want to run both Imperial & Metric programs you have to have 2 different files like Compact & Compact M. The Metric measurement will give you .0005 & the Imperial will give you .001. Either way the Lathe is a great little machine.

   If  he software runs fine maybe you could reconfigure the PC with 98 or dual boot. If your just using the PC for the Lathe then just run Windows 98 or 2000. The Lathe software is fine for the machine. The only hassle with that control software is threading, rest work s great.

  I had a PC5 years ago and made TONS of parts on it, just found another one. Getting a 98 computer is easy as MANY CNC machines still use DOS, Craigslist Raleigh usually has  a seller that has these for sale.

 

Dave

 

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Re: FreeDos installation help for Emco Lathe 2.8

David Rabenius
 

You probably need to use Windows 98 or 2000 as XP sometimes is hard to boot into DOS. I think that your DOS is a shell and not compatible with the EMCO software. When you install the software are you getting the setup screens that you choose or just one screen. Some machines used a Dongle, there was also a article that allowed you to use Linux I believe with NO modifications to the machine. There was an article that had you snip out the EPROM in Digital machinist magazine to run on Mach 3 DON’T DO THIS!!  As you will have to use separate CAD software program.

  When you boot up at the DOS prompt what do you get? You have to do several inputs  like CD \ , then CD EMCO, then EMCO  Compact, it will then  be good to go. I haven’t used this software in 12 years so I will have to check . Do you have a manual?, they are online and it will tell you. If you want to run both Imperial & Metric programs you have to have 2 different files like Compact & Compact M. The Metric measurement will give you .0005 & the Imperial will give you .001. Either way the Lathe is a great little machine.

   If  he software runs fine maybe you could reconfigure the PC with 98 or dual boot. If your just using the PC for the Lathe then just run Windows 98 or 2000. The Lathe software is fine for the machine. The only hassle with that control software is threading, rest work s great.

  I had a PC5 years ago and made TONS of parts on it, just found another one. Getting a 98 computer is easy as MANY CNC machines still use DOS, Craigslist Raleigh usually has  a seller that has these for sale.

 

Dave

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

FreeDos installation help for Emco Lathe 2.8

jonathanp51203@...
 

Hello, I am a high school student who was asked by my teacher to revive a Compact 5 PC machine. Keeping it short, the machine is fine but the computer running it died.

Using a new PC I was able to make a USB Bootable version of MS-Dos using FreeDos, I can run the I.exe file to install and write (This worked on all versions of the installation file) but I cannot run the Compact.exe. I was able to run a bunch of other files as well except any version of the Compact.exe file. 

Do I need to install the Compact Software with some additional drivers or tools? or does the medium require a floppy drive to install properly? Sorry if anything I say is a little bit short sided, the software I am trying to use is older than I am. Thank you for any help, I am open to any ideas.

For a bit more specifics

Hardware : Intel Pentium 4, Windows XP HP Compaq dc5100 SFF, Emco 5 Compact PC

Software : EMCO Lathe 2.5, FreeDos (latest)

Re: Lecteur mini cassette

mycroft@cix.co.uk
 

Here are translations into English of the two French language messages:

Good morning all,

I just bought a VMC 100 TM02 milling machine the face of the calculator had to be changed because it is equipped with a floppy drive while the MSD data of my machine is saved on a mini cassette.
Following the loss of MSD data from the milling machine and not having a floppy disk to reprogram the machine, I bought an EMCO mini cassette player in order to recover the MSD data saved on the mini cassette.
The mini cassette player connections are different from the floppy drive.
Does anyone have information to make this change?
cordially
Olivier


Hello
 I recently had the same machine N ° F1SF3F5019 and the label for the TM02 command was torn off, I would like to help you but it also included a floppy drive which was dismantled, only the serial link was used. I saw a backup of the parameters on this forum, did you try to enter them manually? I have the electrical plans.
Cordially.
Jacques.

Re: Lecteur mini cassette

marty_in_mesa
 

Well, try and use google translate.
We don't restrict members from US. or other than English countries. We are a resource for everyone.

Marty


On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 3:17 PM arjan.dijk <arjan.dijk@...> wrote:
Is it possible to keep emails in English so everyone can understand?


Op ma 6 jan. 2020 om 19:24 schreef <jacq62@...>:
Bonjour
 je possède depuis peu la même machine  N°F1SF3F5019 et l'étiquette de la commande TM02 à été arrachée, j aimerai vous aider mais elle comportait aussi un lecteur de disquette qui a été démonté, seul était utilisé la liaison série. J'ai vu une sauvegarde des paramètres sur ce forum, avez-vous essayé de les rentrer manuellement? Je possede les plans electrique.
Cordialement.
Jacques.

Re: Lecteur mini cassette

arjan.dijk
 

Is it possible to keep emails in English so everyone can understand?


Op ma 6 jan. 2020 om 19:24 schreef <jacq62@...>:

Bonjour
 je possède depuis peu la même machine  N°F1SF3F5019 et l'étiquette de la commande TM02 à été arrachée, j aimerai vous aider mais elle comportait aussi un lecteur de disquette qui a été démonté, seul était utilisé la liaison série. J'ai vu une sauvegarde des paramètres sur ce forum, avez-vous essayé de les rentrer manuellement? Je possede les plans electrique.
Cordialement.
Jacques.

Re: Lecteur mini cassette

FRANCOIS JACQUES
 

Bonjour
 je possède depuis peu la même machine  N°F1SF3F5019 et l'étiquette de la commande TM02 à été arrachée, j aimerai vous aider mais elle comportait aussi un lecteur de disquette qui a été démonté, seul était utilisé la liaison série. J'ai vu une sauvegarde des paramètres sur ce forum, avez-vous essayé de les rentrer manuellement? Je possede les plans electrique.
Cordialement.
Jacques.

Re: Willy Vogel oilpump

Ludvig Friberg
 

Thank you very much for your help!

Den mån 6 jan. 2020 kl 15:01 skrev Daneel <jonas.warnqvist@...>:

Hi Ludvig,
I put together a couple of images with extracts from manuals. Basically the pump is single phase 230V and runs 5s. Once after startup, on demand and after 10m of movement on any axis. The pressure switch is there to make sure that the lubrication is filled up and produces oil pressure. The oil is distrubted by the vogel dosing points. Each dosing point has a metered discharge for every cycle (stamped on the metering valve). Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Re: Willy Vogel oilpump

Daneel
 

Hi Ludvig,
I put together a couple of images with extracts from manuals. Basically the pump is single phase 230V and runs 5s. Once after startup, on demand and after 10m of movement on any axis. The pressure switch is there to make sure that the lubrication is filled up and produces oil pressure. The oil is distrubted by the vogel dosing points. Each dosing point has a metered discharge for every cycle (stamped on the metering valve). Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Re: Willy Vogel oilpump

FRANCOIS JACQUES
 

bonjour
Ce n'est pas un solénoïde mais un capteur de pression, il permet de surveiller le bon fonctionnement du graissage.

Re: Little help - Collet designation

FRANCOIS JACQUES
 

Bonjour à tous

 Meilleurs voeux de santé et de bonheur pour 2020.

 Ces pinces sont à mon avis des F32 Schaublin, à vérifier avec leur tableau.

Re: EMCO6p home switches

marty_in_mesa
 

As was previously mentioned, look for the sensors on the ballscrew pulleys. You line up marks (Arrows) and then set home. The control should turn the screws until the sensors trip.
My Emcoturn 140, 220 and 120's work this way and there is nothing wrong with it. 
Marty 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 2:55 PM arjan.dijk <arjan.dijk@...> wrote:
Im got a very early converted Mach3 EMCO6p and I'm looking if it has any home/limit switches? Where should I look? It does not home, or give a signal passing a certain point, so it must bebe connected or set when it is there.

So where to find the home switches? If they are not there, am I really supposed to home on a piece?

Can I find some technical drawings about this machine?

Re: EMCO6p home switches

rcflyer
 

Compact 6 has no home switches. You jog to align the arrows on the turret motor cover to the marks on the back of the enclosure, then home. The axes move to find the target on the ballscrew pulley and this is home.

What was done on a retrofit is anyone's guess.

Manuals and schematics should be available on the web, but I never found a part list specifically for C6 and referred to the 120 parts list. Other than lacking central way lubrication and homing prox, they are the same.


On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 3:55 PM arjan.dijk <arjan.dijk@...> wrote:
Im got a very early converted Mach3 EMCO6p and I'm looking if it has any home/limit switches? Where should I look? It does not home, or give a signal passing a certain point, so it must bebe connected or set when it is there.

So where to find the home switches? If they are not there, am I really supposed to home on a piece?

Can I find some technical drawings about this machine?

EMCO6p home switches

arjan.dijk
 

Im got a very early converted Mach3 EMCO6p and I'm looking if it has any home/limit switches? Where should I look? It does not home, or give a signal passing a certain point, so it must bebe connected or set when it is there.

So where to find the home switches? If they are not there, am I really supposed to home on a piece?

Can I find some technical drawings about this machine?

Re: Emco Compact 5 CNC options

David Rabenius
 


 I had to actually shrink the length down to fit the 7.500 X axis travel of the PCmill50.  (counting the 3\8 endmill)
 I did the finger holes first then screwed down the plate with plugs matched to the finger holes on a base plate, worked really well but SLOW. The flip side was done the same way for doing the chamfer. I used the 2 outer finger holes with plugs to position then clamped the outside edge. Removed the outer plugs  then then chamfered the finger holes. I reclamped the finger hole plugs and chamfered the outer profile. The finger plugs had a tight fit with a chamfer to lock the part to my fixture. Another job that required some thought.
  I did another job on the PC50 mill with the headstock at a 90 degree Horizontal angle for threading a Aluminum tube. I called EMCO and asked them how to do it. They had no clue and a local friend of mine drew up the thread as a helix on its side and made the G-code file using Maxnc software. It took a little tweeking but worked perfectly. The G-code files were huge, like 7000 lines of code which was about 10 minutes of machining time. It was VERY impressive watching the X,Y, & Z numbers fly on the monitor as the mill cut the 50mm X 1.50 metric thread. 

Dave


On Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 02:25:40 AM EST, David Rabenius via Groups.Io <swedeson2002@...> wrote:


Hi;
  Heres a link to the knuckle opener. He has sold hundreds of these, he uses a Fadal full size CNC mill.





On Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 02:20:43 AM EST, David Rabenius via Groups.Io <swedeson2002@...> wrote:


Hi All:
  I forgot to mention that if you are making small batches of parts for sale then the retrofit cost is of little concern. I bought a PC5 Lathe and before I even ran it for the first time had a local guy contact me about turning some Lexan rod for a Army project. I ran like 3 parts then he came back and told me to run the rest of the material, like 8 parts total. He told me that he couldn't get any machine shop in the area to do it and he basically paid for the cost of the machine which I thought was pretty cool.  
  When I started it was really convenient to just go and make my own parts as needed, always thinking of what to make next. I was at my local restaurant and one of the owners approached me about a project that he wanted to do. It was a Brass knuckle bottle opener. I asked him if he had a drawing of what he wanted, he said no. I told him to use the TV on the Bar to do a Google search for Brass Knuckles. He did so and found a style that he liked. I sketched  the opener he had on one end of the Brass Knuckle. Then asked if it was what he wanted. I went home and did the CAD drawing & CAM that evening. Next afternoon I ran one on my PCmill50 and he was floored when I brought one to him that evening. Look under Drinique drink wear, knucle opener.
  That's how I started machining, local machine shops weren't interested in doing batches of parts, their attitudes left a  lot to be desired. I had one part that was for 100 pcs @ $35.00 each. I figured that I could just buy a Lathe & mill for that and these EMCO CNC machines were perfect. One of the Machine shops told me to bring in the parts that I had made and when they saw it offered me a job on the spot.
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019, 09:56:38 AM EST, Tony Schalburg via Groups.Io <tonyschalburg@...> wrote:


Hi
Im the happy owner of 4 emco machines. 
One et120p, 
One compact 6
One vmc100 
Those 3 with original tm02 controller. 
The last one is a vmc100 im in proces of retrofitting. 
Its a huge proces to retrofit a mill, and expencive, cuz i want to keep the original berger lahr steppers and the Siemens dc motor. No compromices here. Want to run the vmc100 with Mach3, as close to the original setup as possible. 
The ATC, i had a plugin made, cost me 200$.
Stepper drivers, i use original from berger lahr, but updated, cost 600$ each. Siemens dc motor, im using a parker 506 dc driver, cost 400£.
Pwm,relay board and BOB, i got from cnc4pc, all for about 400$.
I have been working on the retrofit for more than a year now, but Will soon complete it. 
What i want to say, about retrofitting those Nice old machines, is, if you want to do it, do it prober, so you have a machine that can and Will work for many years to come. 
Yes you can do a cheap retrofit, but then you get a slow machine, that can do the job, but the emco machines Are Nice High pression machines, that deserves a prober setup. 
Tony

Re: Emco Compact 5 CNC options

David Rabenius
 

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 02:20:43 AM EST, David Rabenius via Groups.Io <swedeson2002@...> wrote:


Hi All:
  I forgot to mention that if you are making small batches of parts for sale then the retrofit cost is of little concern. I bought a PC5 Lathe and before I even ran it for the first time had a local guy contact me about turning some Lexan rod for a Army project. I ran like 3 parts then he came back and told me to run the rest of the material, like 8 parts total. He told me that he couldn't get any machine shop in the area to do it and he basically paid for the cost of the machine which I thought was pretty cool.  
  When I started it was really convenient to just go and make my own parts as needed, always thinking of what to make next. I was at my local restaurant and one of the owners approached me about a project that he wanted to do. It was a Brass knuckle bottle opener. I asked him if he had a drawing of what he wanted, he said no. I told him to use the TV on the Bar to do a Google search for Brass Knuckles. He did so and found a style that he liked. I sketched  the opener he had on one end of the Brass Knuckle. Then asked if it was what he wanted. I went home and did the CAD drawing & CAM that evening. Next afternoon I ran one on my PCmill50 and he was floored when I brought one to him that evening. Look under Drinique drink wear, knucle opener.
  That's how I started machining, local machine shops weren't interested in doing batches of parts, their attitudes left a  lot to be desired. I had one part that was for 100 pcs @ $35.00 each. I figured that I could just buy a Lathe & mill for that and these EMCO CNC machines were perfect. One of the Machine shops told me to bring in the parts that I had made and when they saw it offered me a job on the spot.
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019, 09:56:38 AM EST, Tony Schalburg via Groups.Io <tonyschalburg@...> wrote:


Hi
Im the happy owner of 4 emco machines. 
One et120p, 
One compact 6
One vmc100 
Those 3 with original tm02 controller. 
The last one is a vmc100 im in proces of retrofitting. 
Its a huge proces to retrofit a mill, and expencive, cuz i want to keep the original berger lahr steppers and the Siemens dc motor. No compromices here. Want to run the vmc100 with Mach3, as close to the original setup as possible. 
The ATC, i had a plugin made, cost me 200$.
Stepper drivers, i use original from berger lahr, but updated, cost 600$ each. Siemens dc motor, im using a parker 506 dc driver, cost 400£.
Pwm,relay board and BOB, i got from cnc4pc, all for about 400$.
I have been working on the retrofit for more than a year now, but Will soon complete it. 
What i want to say, about retrofitting those Nice old machines, is, if you want to do it, do it prober, so you have a machine that can and Will work for many years to come. 
Yes you can do a cheap retrofit, but then you get a slow machine, that can do the job, but the emco machines Are Nice High pression machines, that deserves a prober setup. 
Tony

Re: Emco Compact 5 CNC options

David Rabenius
 

Hi All:
  I forgot to mention that if you are making small batches of parts for sale then the retrofit cost is of little concern. I bought a PC5 Lathe and before I even ran it for the first time had a local guy contact me about turning some Lexan rod for a Army project. I ran like 3 parts then he came back and told me to run the rest of the material, like 8 parts total. He told me that he couldn't get any machine shop in the area to do it and he basically paid for the cost of the machine which I thought was pretty cool.  
  When I started it was really convenient to just go and make my own parts as needed, always thinking of what to make next. I was at my local restaurant and one of the owners approached me about a project that he wanted to do. It was a Brass knuckle bottle opener. I asked him if he had a drawing of what he wanted, he said no. I told him to use the TV on the Bar to do a Google search for Brass Knuckles. He did so and found a style that he liked. I sketched  the opener he had on one end of the Brass Knuckle. Then asked if it was what he wanted. I went home and did the CAD drawing & CAM that evening. Next afternoon I ran one on my PCmill50 and he was floored when I brought one to him that evening. Look under Drinique drink wear, knucle opener.
  That's how I started machining, local machine shops weren't interested in doing batches of parts, their attitudes left a  lot to be desired. I had one part that was for 100 pcs @ $35.00 each. I figured that I could just buy a Lathe & mill for that and these EMCO CNC machines were perfect. One of the Machine shops told me to bring in the parts that I had made and when they saw it offered me a job on the spot.

On Tuesday, November 26, 2019, 09:56:38 AM EST, Tony Schalburg via Groups.Io <tonyschalburg@...> wrote:


Hi
Im the happy owner of 4 emco machines. 
One et120p, 
One compact 6
One vmc100 
Those 3 with original tm02 controller. 
The last one is a vmc100 im in proces of retrofitting. 
Its a huge proces to retrofit a mill, and expencive, cuz i want to keep the original berger lahr steppers and the Siemens dc motor. No compromices here. Want to run the vmc100 with Mach3, as close to the original setup as possible. 
The ATC, i had a plugin made, cost me 200$.
Stepper drivers, i use original from berger lahr, but updated, cost 600$ each. Siemens dc motor, im using a parker 506 dc driver, cost 400£.
Pwm,relay board and BOB, i got from cnc4pc, all for about 400$.
I have been working on the retrofit for more than a year now, but Will soon complete it. 
What i want to say, about retrofitting those Nice old machines, is, if you want to do it, do it prober, so you have a machine that can and Will work for many years to come. 
Yes you can do a cheap retrofit, but then you get a slow machine, that can do the job, but the emco machines Are Nice High pression machines, that deserves a prober setup. 
Tony