Date   

Move to groups.io?

James F. Boehner, MD
 

To all,

 

I have been silent on this up to now, but wanted to give out some information.

 

I co-listown a number of ICOM yahoogroups, and the other co-listowner and I agreed that it was the time to make the move.  I have been feeling my way around Groups.IO, and trying to get a bit of experience before I suggested the change for this list.  He and I had a number of problems on yahoogroups where we were to approve new users, but we were unable to make the administration console show those unapproved members so that we could approve them.  We had e-mails that were lost, and received complaints from the list members.  Additionally, response from the Yahoogroups servers has slowed down significantly.  I have had to constantly refresh the screen.  I own, co-own or moderate about 40 lists on yahoogroups, with a handful of very active ones, like this one.

 

On yahoogroups, it takes several steps to approve someone for non-moderation.  Since Yahoogroups made changes to their site several years ago, I’ve seen this as a definite disadvantage.

 

Some of the advantages of Groups.IO that I have observed so far:

 

We need to continue to stop spambots, so all new members are moderated.  Groups.IO automatically approves them for non-moderated status after two (or whatever is set) approvals.  Additionally, there is a button on the moderation screen where the non-moderated status could begin immediately.

 

Groups.IO can seamlessly transfer an entire Yahoogroup, with messages, photos, members, etc.  with a minimal number of keystrokes from the listowner.

 

Subgroups of conversations can be carried out with hashtags like the Wiki’s do.  I haven’t played with this feature yet.

 

So, in preparation, I have reserved Elecraft-K3@groups.io .  The group will not allow an underscore (_) or a space in the group name.

 

So, I do not mean to kick up dust, but I’m worried about Yahoogroups.  If Elecraft_K3@...  goes away suddenly, all the group knowledge will go with it.  If I do the transfer, at least the group knowledge will be preserved on two servers, although the groups.io would be the active list.

 

There are 3331 members on this list, so I would ask that when the decision to move occurs, that we all view this as a positive way to preserve the group knowledge.  After the transfer, which usually takes a couple of days on large groups, you would need to do nothing more than to sign into Groups.IO with a password, after your invitation to the new group.


As I tried to send this from my yahoo.com mail account, I can't get the SMTP server to recognize and send out my e-mail to the group.  This has happened multiple times recently.  So, I don't know what is happening at Yahoo, but I really haven't been happy with their service lately.

 

Thanks,

 

’73 de JIM N2ZZ

Elecraft_K3 Listowner


Re: [Elecraft_K3] groups.io move

harry latterman <harrylatterman@...>
 

IC-7300 and the SDR Console group both moved me to group.io.  I have not had issues with Yahoo other then with my personal email and them changing the format.  Hate it when they are hotmail/outlook does that.  I really don't care either way. I am comfortable with yahoo and now I have to learn where group.io hides all the files, photos etc.  Oh well

73 Harry K7ZOV



On Monday, March 12, 2018, 7:11:19 PM MST, 'Doug Renwick' ve5ra@... [Elecraft_K3] wrote:


 

N1MM Logger and the Icom groups have all recently moved.

Doug

"Political correctness is a weapon used to silence people who tell the truth" - Ayaan Hirsi Ali


From: Elecraft_K3@... [mailto: Elecraft_K3@... ]
Sent: March-11-18 3:08 PM
To: Elecraft_K3@...
Subject: Re: [Elecraft_K3] groups.io move

 

 

Hi again Dave,

 

I am glad to hear that. I think now is definitely the time to make the move. Yahoo has being going downhill for many years now.

 

AB2TC - Knut

 



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Re: [Elecraft_K3] groups.io move

W2XJ
 

you can easily research this. Don’t be lazy. The facts are out there. 


On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:07 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX RMcGraw@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:

 

So what is your source of information to substantiate your statements?

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 3/12/2018 7:55 AM, W2xj w2xj@... [Elecraft_K3] wrote:
 

They sold out to Yahoo once, are going broke so what stops them from selling out again? This is just paranoia within ham groups. I haven’t heard a peep in my other Yahoo groups. Some people just need to get a life. 


On Mar 11, 2018, at 4:57 PM, ab2tc@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:

 

Hi Dave,

 

I might have missed that particular discussion. I am aware that this has been discussed before and I think the skepticism towards changing was in part that very little was known about groups.io. Now that a large number of groups have made the move, we know that it actually works and most post movers say Good riddance, Yahoo. That's why I brought it up again.

 

AB2TC - Knut





---In Elecraft_K3@..., wrote :

Knut -

Apparently you missed the recent discussion of this, and Dave's response. I would have to look through the archives to find it, but as I recall, the essence was that if Dave feels it is necessary to do make such a move, he will... but did not feel that it was necessary, at least as of 2 or 3 weeks back (if I am correctly remembering).

Dave - K9FN

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:40 PM, ab2tc@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:
 

Hello owner/moderator,


Have you considered moving the group to groups.io? There is currently pretty well a mass exodus under way  from Yahoo to groups.io and it appears fairly painless to move everything including the archives and the user list.


AB2TC - Knut




Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: Remote On/Off Switch

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
 

And in many cases, the company can perform "self certification" thus there is no independent company performing the tests.   

So it almost meets specs with test equipment that may be out of specs.   Fill out and submit the forms and start shipping products.   There's no oversight. 

Bob, K4TAX



On Mar 12, 2018, at 3:43 PM, Dave Sharred g3nkc@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:

 

I missed the earlier posts on this, but have to take issue with Ricks comment.. 

If a design changes , the approval should be repeated, to show continued compliance to FCC, I,  or RE-D in EU. ...  so you shouldn't "cheat" by changing / cheapening the design

( I know these stds with my day job in the auto industry) 

73 dave G3NKC 



Sent from Samsung tablet


-------- Original message --------
From: "Rick WA6NHC wa6nhc@... [Elecraft_K3]" <Elecraft_K3@...>
Date: 11/03/2018 21:03 (GMT+00:00)
To: Elecraft_K3@...
Subject: Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: Remote On/Off Switch

 

Just for clarity, UL doesn't 'approve', they 'list'.    Listing implies that the item meets A standard, but means they have no liability in case of 'traumatic failure' of the item (they can't be sued).

Similar things happen with the FCC rating, after the initial test (not by the FCC lab itself but an outside lab), it is 'presumed' that the production line continues producing product that meets the standard.  There is no follow up to ensure compliance.

Neither take into consideration that the product may be cheapened later down the line... leaving components out that helped keep the noise down for example.  Then it up to consumers (woefully ignorant) to complain about noise or worse.

Rick nhc



On 3/11/2018 11:16 AM, Dana ve3ds@... [Elecraft_K3] wrote:
 

I wonder if these switches are UL, ULc or CSA approved.
Also I see 433 and 2.4 GHz…so wonder if they are FCC
or IC approved ??
Pretty cool mix of products!

Dana VE3DS



Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: Remote On/Off Switch

Dave Sharred
 

I missed the earlier posts on this, but have to take issue with Ricks comment. 

If a design changes , the approval should be repeated, to show continued compliance to FCC, I,  or RE-D in EU. ..  so you shouldn't "cheat" by changing / cheapening the design

( I know these stds with my day job in the auto industry) 

73 dave G3NKC 



Sent from Samsung tablet


-------- Original message --------
From: "Rick WA6NHC wa6nhc@... [Elecraft_K3]" <Elecraft_K3@...>
Date: 11/03/2018 21:03 (GMT+00:00)
To: Elecraft_K3@...
Subject: Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: Remote On/Off Switch

 

Just for clarity, UL doesn't 'approve', they 'list'.    Listing implies that the item meets A standard, but means they have no liability in case of 'traumatic failure' of the item (they can't be sued).

Similar things happen with the FCC rating, after the initial test (not by the FCC lab itself but an outside lab), it is 'presumed' that the production line continues producing product that meets the standard.  There is no follow up to ensure compliance.

Neither take into consideration that the product may be cheapened later down the line... leaving components out that helped keep the noise down for example.  Then it up to consumers (woefully ignorant) to complain about noise or worse.

Rick nhc



On 3/11/2018 11:16 AM, Dana ve3ds@... [Elecraft_K3] wrote:
 

I wonder if these switches are UL, ULc or CSA approved.
Also I see 433 and 2.4 GHz…so wonder if they are FCC
or IC approved ??
Pretty cool mix of products!

Dana VE3DS



Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: Remote On/Off Switch

N3HEE
 

The Sonoff devices are not UL listed.  Yet.  The real power of the Sonoff is when it is flashed with third party firmware such as Tasmota.  This allows the device to molded into many different configurations not possible with factory firmware.  One example is integration into home automation software such as Home Assistant.  The third party firmware allows for local control and configuration of the device via built in web server.  The third party firmware also exposes several GPIO pins which allow the device to do different things.  Flashing the Sonoff is not difficult but requires some learning if you are not familiar with working with micro processors.  I was able to flash mine in an evening after doing some research and reading.  Once you successfully flash the first device you can flash additional devices in less than one minute each. You will need a FTDI to USB converter for flashing.  You can use the Arduino IDE for flashing the new firmware.  Search Google for many examples of how to flash and use the devices.  Check out Dr. Zzzs videos.  


Re: [Elecraft_K3] groups.io move

Doug Renwick
 

Let me suggest that you go to the groups.io website and explore the thousands of groups now there.

Doug

"Political correctness is a weapon used to silence people who tell the truth" - Ayaan Hirsi Ali


From: Elecraft_K3@... [mailto:Elecraft_K3@...]
Sent: March-12-18 6:55 AM
To: Elecraft_K3@...
Subject: Re: [Elecraft_K3] groups.io move

 

 

They sold out to Yahoo once, are going broke so what stops them from selling out again? This is just paranoia within ham groups. I haven’t heard a peep in my other Yahoo groups. Some people just need to get a life. 





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Re: [Elecraft_K3] groups.io move

Dan Abell
 

This group is clearly happy with Yahoo groups and will not entertain a move unless Yahoo groups crashes and burns, so let's just end the discussion.  The KX3 group had an extended discussion on this topic and Wayne weighed in that he is happy with the current platform.

Dan w3dka

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 3:40 PM, ab2tc@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:
 

Hello owner/moderator,


Have you considered moving the group to groups.io? There is currently pretty well a mass exodus under way  from Yahoo to groups.io and it appears fairly painless to move everything including the archives and the user list.


AB2TC - Knut



Re: [Elecraft_K3] groups.io move

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
 

So what is your source of information to substantiate your statements?

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 3/12/2018 7:55 AM, W2xj w2xj@... [Elecraft_K3] wrote:
 

They sold out to Yahoo once, are going broke so what stops them from selling out again? This is just paranoia within ham groups. I haven’t heard a peep in my other Yahoo groups. Some people just need to get a life. 


On Mar 11, 2018, at 4:57 PM, ab2tc@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:

 

Hi Dave,

 

I might have missed that particular discussion. I am aware that this has been discussed before and I think the skepticism towards changing was in part that very little was known about groups.io. Now that a large number of groups have made the move, we know that it actually works and most post movers say Good riddance, Yahoo. That's why I brought it up again.

 

AB2TC - Knut





---In Elecraft_K3@..., wrote :

Knut -

Apparently you missed the recent discussion of this, and Dave's response. I would have to look through the archives to find it, but as I recall, the essence was that if Dave feels it is necessary to do make such a move, he will... but did not feel that it was necessary, at least as of 2 or 3 weeks back (if I am correctly remembering).

Dave - K9FN

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:40 PM, ab2tc@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:
 

Hello owner/moderator,


Have you considered moving the group to groups.io? There is currently pretty well a mass exodus under way  from Yahoo to groups.io and it appears fairly painless to move everything including the archives and the user list.


AB2TC - Knut




Re: [Elecraft_K3] groups.io move

W2XJ
 

They sold out to Yahoo once, are going broke so what stops them from selling out again? This is just paranoia within ham groups. I haven’t heard a peep in my other Yahoo groups. Some people just need to get a life. 


On Mar 11, 2018, at 4:57 PM, ab2tc@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:

 

Hi Dave,

 

I might have missed that particular discussion. I am aware that this has been discussed before and I think the skepticism towards changing was in part that very little was known about groups.io. Now that a large number of groups have made the move, we know that it actually works and most post movers say Good riddance, Yahoo. That's why I brought it up again.

 

AB2TC - Knut





---In Elecraft_K3@..., wrote :

Knut -

Apparently you missed the recent discussion of this, and Dave's response. I would have to look through the archives to find it, but as I recall, the essence was that if Dave feels it is necessary to do make such a move, he will... but did not feel that it was necessary, at least as of 2 or 3 weeks back (if I am correctly remembering).

Dave - K9FN

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:40 PM, ab2tc@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:
 

Hello owner/moderator,


Have you considered moving the group to groups.io? There is currently pretty well a mass exodus under way  from Yahoo to groups.io and it appears fairly painless to move everything including the archives and the user list.


AB2TC - Knut



Re: [Elecraft_K3] groups.io move

Doug Renwick
 

N1MM Logger and the Icom groups have all recently moved.

Doug

"Political correctness is a weapon used to silence people who tell the truth" - Ayaan Hirsi Ali


From: Elecraft_K3@... [mailto:Elecraft_K3@...]
Sent: March-11-18 3:08 PM
To: Elecraft_K3@...
Subject: Re: [Elecraft_K3] groups.io move

 

 

Hi again Dave,

 

I am glad to hear that. I think now is definitely the time to make the move. Yahoo has being going downhill for many years now.

 

AB2TC - Knut

 



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Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: [Elecraft_K3] groups.io move

ab2tc
 

Hi again Dave,

I am glad to hear that. I think now is definitely the time to make the move. Yahoo has being going downhill for many years now.

AB2TC - Knut




---In Elecraft_K3@..., <dpbunte@...> wrote :

Knut -

My wife is on a group that moved from Yahoo to groups.io recently, and as I understand it the members are ALL very happy with that decision. If Dave decides the time is right for this group to move, I am totally on board.

Dave - K9FN 

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:57 PM ab2tc@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:
 

Hi Dave,

 

I might have missed that particular discussion. I am aware that this has been discussed before and I think the skepticism towards changing was in part that very little was known about groups.io. Now that a large number of groups have made the move, we know that it actually works and most post movers say Good riddance, Yahoo. That's why I brought it up again.

 

AB2TC - Knut





---In Elecraft_K3@..., <dpbunte@...> wrote :

Knut -

Apparently you missed the recent discussion of this, and Dave's response. I would have to look through the archives to find it, but as I recall, the essence was that if Dave feels it is necessary to do make such a move, he will... but did not feel that it was necessary, at least as of 2 or 3 weeks back (if I am correctly remembering).

Dave - K9FN

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:40 PM, ab2tc@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:
 

Hello owner/moderator,


Have you considered moving the group to groups.io? There is currently pretty well a mass exodus under way  from Yahoo to groups.io and it appears fairly painless to move everything including the archives and the user list.


AB2TC - Knut



Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: Remote On/Off Switch

Rick NK7I
 

Just for clarity, UL doesn't 'approve', they 'list'.    Listing implies that the item meets A standard, but means they have no liability in case of 'traumatic failure' of the item (they can't be sued).

Similar things happen with the FCC rating, after the initial test (not by the FCC lab itself but an outside lab), it is 'presumed' that the production line continues producing product that meets the standard.  There is no follow up to ensure compliance.

Neither take into consideration that the product may be cheapened later down the line... leaving components out that helped keep the noise down for example.  Then it up to consumers (woefully ignorant) to complain about noise or worse.

Rick nhc



On 3/11/2018 11:16 AM, Dana ve3ds@... [Elecraft_K3] wrote:
 

I wonder if these switches are UL, ULc or CSA approved.
Also I see 433 and 2.4 GHz…so wonder if they are FCC
or IC approved ??
Pretty cool mix of products!

Dana VE3DS



Re: [Elecraft_K3] groups.io move

David Bunte
 

Knut -

My wife is on a group that moved from Yahoo to groups.io recently, and as I understand it the members are ALL very happy with that decision. If Dave decides the time is right for this group to move, I am totally on board.

Dave - K9FN 


On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:57 PM ab2tc@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:
 

Hi Dave,

 

I might have missed that particular discussion. I am aware that this has been discussed before and I think the skepticism towards changing was in part that very little was known about groups.io. Now that a large number of groups have made the move, we know that it actually works and most post movers say Good riddance, Yahoo. That's why I brought it up again.

 

AB2TC - Knut





---In Elecraft_K3@..., wrote :

Knut -

Apparently you missed the recent discussion of this, and Dave's response. I would have to look through the archives to find it, but as I recall, the essence was that if Dave feels it is necessary to do make such a move, he will... but did not feel that it was necessary, at least as of 2 or 3 weeks back (if I am correctly remembering).

Dave - K9FN

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:40 PM, ab2tc@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:
 

Hello owner/moderator,


Have you considered moving the group to groups.io? There is currently pretty well a mass exodus under way  from Yahoo to groups.io and it appears fairly painless to move everything including the archives and the user list.


AB2TC - Knut



Re: [Elecraft_K3] groups.io move

ab2tc
 

Hi Dave,

 

I might have missed that particular discussion. I am aware that this has been discussed before and I think the skepticism towards changing was in part that very little was known about groups.io. Now that a large number of groups have made the move, we know that it actually works and most post movers say Good riddance, Yahoo. That's why I brought it up again.

 

AB2TC - Knut





---In Elecraft_K3@..., <dpbunte@...> wrote :

Knut -

Apparently you missed the recent discussion of this, and Dave's response. I would have to look through the archives to find it, but as I recall, the essence was that if Dave feels it is necessary to do make such a move, he will... but did not feel that it was necessary, at least as of 2 or 3 weeks back (if I am correctly remembering).

Dave - K9FN

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:40 PM, ab2tc@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:
 

Hello owner/moderator,


Have you considered moving the group to groups.io? There is currently pretty well a mass exodus under way  from Yahoo to groups.io and it appears fairly painless to move everything including the archives and the user list.


AB2TC - Knut



Re: [Elecraft_K3] groups.io move

David Bunte
 

Knut -

Apparently you missed the recent discussion of this, and Dave's response. I would have to look through the archives to find it, but as I recall, the essence was that if Dave feels it is necessary to do make such a move, he will... but did not feel that it was necessary, at least as of 2 or 3 weeks back (if I am correctly remembering).

Dave - K9FN

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:40 PM, ab2tc@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:
 

Hello owner/moderator,


Have you considered moving the group to groups.io? There is currently pretty well a mass exodus under way  from Yahoo to groups.io and it appears fairly painless to move everything including the archives and the user list.


AB2TC - Knut



groups.io move

ab2tc
 

Hello owner/moderator,


Have you considered moving the group to groups.io? There is currently pretty well a mass exodus under way  from Yahoo to groups.io and it appears fairly painless to move everything including the archives and the user list.


AB2TC - Knut


Re: Remote On/Off Switch

Dana Shtun
 

I wonder if these switches are UL, ULc or CSA approved.
Also I see 433 and 2.4 GHz…so wonder if they are FCC
or IC approved ??
Pretty cool mix of products!

Dana VE3DS


K3/0-mini sidetone

Scott Townley
 

I have a K3/0-mini that isn't attached to anything other than DC power and a paddle.
In CW mode, I can see the TX LED blink more-or-less with my paddling (and as if a keyer is inside the mini...hold down the dot paddle, LED blinks dots; hold down dash paddle, LED blinks long dots).
But I don't hear any sidetone.  It's been awhile but I seem to remember that when I first got the Mini, I could hear the CW sidetone.  MON is non-zero and PITCH is 600.  Neither the speakers nor headphones yield sidetone.
Am I crazy (remembering that I should hear something), or am I doing something stupid?
TIA,
Scott NX7U


How To install fldigi, FTDI driver, Utilities for Elecraft on Linux

Bob Barth
 

This link gives step by step instructions in the following areas:


  1. How to install fldigi on Linux
  2. Putting 32 bit Libraries into 64 bit Linux Distributions
  3. Installing the Proprietary FTDI Driver needed by the Elecraft (K3, KX3 & KPA500)
  4. Downloading and Installing Elecraft K3, KX3 and KPA500 Utilities


The link is:  http://w7hd.ddns.net/barth/1-StartHere.pdf


Everything that is needed is contained at the above link. Number 1 takes 25 minutes.  Numbers 2 through 4 take a TOTAL of 50 minutes.


This will work with any Linux OS that has Ubuntu roots.  Ubuntu is the most prominent OS. I recommend Linux LIte because it is small and fast.  You can get it here:


https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lite


I have installed the above four times in the last few days by following these instructions.


Copy and Paste the commands to avoid typo's. 



-- 

73,


Bob

    Bob.W7GBB@...