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Re: EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

Dave (NK7Z)
 

...and so another interesting thread dies...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/29/20 11:55 AM, ANDY NEHAN via groups.io wrote:
Yes, but the Chinese are VERY good at making lethal viruses (this is their 3rd attempt and they finally seem to have got it right - at least from their perspective)!
Nothing counterfeit about the viruses.
Andy
------ Original Message ------
From: "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <M0XDF@Alphadene.co.uk>
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 29 Apr, 2020 At 19:52
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES
But you don’t always know that’s what you are buying
-73 de M0XDF
On 29 Apr 2020, at 18:22, Alan Baker <g4gnx@g4gnx.com> wrote:

Sorry to make this political, but the answer is "Yes". The
Chinese will counterfeit almost anything if it turns them a
profit, but to be fair it is OUR greed that makes it happen. If
WE didn't buy cheap garbage, the practice would die out.
73,
Alan. G4GNX
------ Original Message ------
From: "Christopher Scibelli via groups.io"
<nu1oscar=aol.com@groups.io <mailto:nu1oscar=aol.com@groups.io>>
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io<mailto:Elecraft-K3@groups.io>
Sent: 29/04/2020 18:08:00
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES
I can see knocking-off a Rolex or a designer hand bag, but
are Anderson Power Poles so expensive that fakes are
economically feasible?
73,
Chris NU1O


Re: EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

ANDY NEHAN
 

Yes, but the Chinese are VERY good at making lethal viruses (this is their 3rd attempt and they finally seem to have got it right - at least from their perspective)!


Nothing counterfeit about the viruses.


Andy




------ Original Message ------
From: "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <M0XDF@...>
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 29 Apr, 2020 At 19:52
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

But you don’t always know that’s what you are buying

-73 de M0XDF

On 29 Apr 2020, at 18:22, Alan Baker <g4gnx@...> wrote:


Sorry to make this political, but the answer is "Yes". The Chinese will counterfeit almost anything if it turns them a profit, but to be fair it is OUR greed that makes it happen. If WE didn't buy cheap garbage, the practice would die out.

73,

Alan. G4GNX


------ Original Message ------
From: "Christopher Scibelli via groups.io" <nu1oscar@...>
Sent: 29/04/2020 18:08:00
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

I can see knocking-off a Rolex or a designer hand bag, but are Anderson Power Poles so expensive that fakes are economically feasible?

73,

Chris NU1O


Re: EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

Clay Autery
 

I LUCKED into some true silver plated PP 30 amp pins once.  I still have a few, and prefer them.
Trust me... if you've ever seen a true silver one, there is no mistaking them.  They are much shinier/brighter than the tin plated ones.

WISH I could reliably find the silver contacts...  I don't scrimp on connector materials...  And I try to keep a full line of PP parts at all times.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
(318) 518-1389
On 04/29/20 13:45, redarlington wrote:

And I was a little to quick to click send.  The bottom rows of connectors from Mouser are NOT silver plated.  That's the tin finish.   I suspect but really can't say for sure that the machines that stamp out the connectors are the very same ones between the various finishes available.

Either way, Note the A logo, the stamped in reinforcing area by the strip itself, the sharp edges, etc.

-Bob N3XKB


Re: EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

David Ferrington, M0XDF
 

But you don’t always know that’s what you are buying

-73 de M0XDF

On 29 Apr 2020, at 18:22, Alan Baker <g4gnx@...> wrote:


Sorry to make this political, but the answer is "Yes". The Chinese will counterfeit almost anything if it turns them a profit, but to be fair it is OUR greed that makes it happen. If WE didn't buy cheap garbage, the practice would die out.

73,

Alan. G4GNX


------ Original Message ------
From: "Christopher Scibelli via groups.io" <nu1oscar@...>
Sent: 29/04/2020 18:08:00
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

I can see knocking-off a Rolex or a designer hand bag, but are Anderson Power Poles so expensive that fakes are economically feasible?

73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

Clay Autery
 

If you have spare factory capacity and a slave labor force.... like the Chinese, then yeah...  pretty much.

I ONLY buy PP products from KNOWN authorized sources.  And I REPORT anyone selling counterfeit merchandise.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
(318) 518-1389
On 04/29/20 12:08, Christopher Scibelli via groups.io wrote:

I can see knocking-off a Rolex or a designer hand bag, but are Anderson Power Poles so expensive that fakes are economically feasible?

73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

redarlington <rdarlington@...>
 

And I was a little to quick to click send.  The bottom rows of connectors from Mouser are NOT silver plated.  That's the tin finish.   I suspect but really can't say for sure that the machines that stamp out the connectors are the very same ones between the various finishes available.

Either way, Note the A logo, the stamped in reinforcing area by the strip itself, the sharp edges, etc.

-Bob N3XKB


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:42 PM Bob Darlington <rdarlington@...> wrote:
My review on amazon disappeared.

Here's the picture I took: http://n3xkb.com/45a-powerpoles.jpg

The top connectors were from Amazon and are supposedly silver plated 48A power poles.  These: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FKYDD1Y

I was annoyed enough to start reading comments when they were not as pictured.  Who has time to cut and file connectors?   Well, turns out I made the time after this and it's not that bad. It adds maybe 1 minute per connector out the outside edge of things.  

The bottom connectors (the shinier ring of them) were from Mouser.  This part number and a strip of 50: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Anderson-Power-Products/200G1L?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtjzVbpKqo2YZRH3O%252BLIhj7j1hjCc%2FC8%252BM%3D

"One of these things is not like the other..."

-Bob



Re: EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

redarlington <rdarlington@...>
 

My review on amazon disappeared.

Here's the picture I took: http://n3xkb.com/45a-powerpoles.jpg

The top connectors were from Amazon and are supposedly silver plated 48A power poles.  These: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FKYDD1Y

I was annoyed enough to start reading comments when they were not as pictured.  Who has time to cut and file connectors?   Well, turns out I made the time after this and it's not that bad. It adds maybe 1 minute per connector out the outside edge of things.  

The bottom connectors (the shinier ring of them) were from Mouser.  This part number and a strip of 50: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Anderson-Power-Products/200G1L?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtjzVbpKqo2YZRH3O%252BLIhj7j1hjCc%2FC8%252BM%3D

"One of these things is not like the other..."

-Bob



On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:11 AM Bob Darlington <rdarlington@...> wrote:
I'll see if I can dig up the side by side comparison photos I took.  The ones I got on Amazon were fake.  Even the A in a circle logo was upside down.    I'll dig through Google photos when I'm awake.

-Bob

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 7:14 AM Bob G3REP via groups.io <rparkes197=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Someone mentioned earlier there are fake APP's around.
The fake insert has a large A imprinted on the tongue.
The fake one is 0.5mm thick where as the proper one is 0.6mm thick.
The proper one has a longer V indentation on the tongue which makes it stiffer and hence more reliable.
I will post a picture of the two in the photos folder.
There are also subtle differences in the plastic holder.
--
73s
Bob
G3REP




Re: EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

ab2tc
 

Hi all,

Amen to that. I don't buy anything from E-Bay or any other questionable source ever.

AB2TC - Knut


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 01:22 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
Sorry to make this political, but the answer is "Yes". The Chinese will counterfeit almost anything if it turns them a profit, but to be fair it is OUR greed that makes it happen. If WE didn't buy cheap garbage, the practice would die out.
 
73,
 
Alan. G4GNX
 
 
------ Original Message ------
From: "Christopher Scibelli via groups.io" <nu1oscar@...>
Sent: 29/04/2020 18:08:00
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES
 
I can see knocking-off a Rolex or a designer hand bag, but are Anderson Power Poles so expensive that fakes are economically feasible?

73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

ab2tc
 

Hi,

I just checked mine. They have an "A" without a ring around it embossed in the plastic tongue that's part of the housing. It is seen the right way up when viewing the front of the housing with the tongue facing up. Both the red and black part have them. I bought mine from Powerwerx. The bag says "30 Amp Unassembled Red/Black Anderson Powerpole sets", SKU PP30-25". I don't think they are fake. I also have a couple of identical looking ones that I think I got from Elecraft. I solder mine and I use the provided little metal tubes to hold the pair together. None are falling apart or separating here and I use them for all my 14V wiring.


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:43 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
When you say tongue, do you mean the metal contact or the plastic part that supports the contact? 

<snip>


Re: EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

Alan Baker - G4GNX
 

Sorry to make this political, but the answer is "Yes". The Chinese will counterfeit almost anything if it turns them a profit, but to be fair it is OUR greed that makes it happen. If WE didn't buy cheap garbage, the practice would die out.

73,

Alan. G4GNX


------ Original Message ------
From: "Christopher Scibelli via groups.io" <nu1oscar@...>
Sent: 29/04/2020 18:08:00
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

I can see knocking-off a Rolex or a designer hand bag, but are Anderson Power Poles so expensive that fakes are economically feasible?

73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

Christopher Scibelli
 

I can see knocking-off a Rolex or a designer hand bag, but are Anderson Power Poles so expensive that fakes are economically feasible?

73,

Chris  NU1O




-----Original Message-----
From: redarlington <rdarlington@...>
To: Elecraft-K3 <Elecraft-K3@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 29, 2020 11:11 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

I'll see if I can dig up the side by side comparison photos I took.  The ones I got on Amazon were fake.  Even the A in a circle logo was upside down.    I'll dig through Google photos when I'm awake.

-Bob

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 7:14 AM Bob G3REP via groups.io <rparkes197=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Someone mentioned earlier there are fake APP's around.
The fake insert has a large A imprinted on the tongue.
The fake one is 0.5mm thick where as the proper one is 0.6mm thick.
The proper one has a longer V indentation on the tongue which makes it stiffer and hence more reliable.
I will post a picture of the two in the photos folder.
There are also subtle differences in the plastic holder.
--
73s
Bob
G3REP




Re: EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

David Ferrington, M0XDF
 

When you say tongue, do you mean the metal contact or the plastic part that supports the contact? 

I have a vast number of housings, all from a prominent US supplier (Quicksilver) and they have an A, but no circle. Torberry UK also show pictures of housings with an A but not in a circle.
Even the ones on the K3 and the lead do not have a circle.

This image is from Torberry:

73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
-- 
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons,
For you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

On 29 Apr 2020, at 16:11, redarlington <rdarlington@...> wrote:

I'll see if I can dig up the side by side comparison photos I took.  The ones I got on Amazon were fake.  Even the A in a circle logo was upside down.    I'll dig through Google photos when I'm awake.

-Bob

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 7:14 AM Bob G3REP via groups.io <rparkes197=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Someone mentioned earlier there are fake APP's around.
The fake insert has a large A imprinted on the tongue.
The fake one is 0.5mm thick where as the proper one is 0.6mm thick.
The proper one has a longer V indentation on the tongue which makes it stiffer and hence more reliable.
I will post a picture of the two in the photos folder.
There are also subtle differences in the plastic holder.
--
73s
Bob
G3REP





Re: EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

redarlington <rdarlington@...>
 

I'll see if I can dig up the side by side comparison photos I took.  The ones I got on Amazon were fake.  Even the A in a circle logo was upside down.    I'll dig through Google photos when I'm awake.

-Bob

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 7:14 AM Bob G3REP via groups.io <rparkes197=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Someone mentioned earlier there are fake APP's around.
The fake insert has a large A imprinted on the tongue.
The fake one is 0.5mm thick where as the proper one is 0.6mm thick.
The proper one has a longer V indentation on the tongue which makes it stiffer and hence more reliable.
I will post a picture of the two in the photos folder.
There are also subtle differences in the plastic holder.
--
73s
Bob
G3REP




Re: Antenna Connection Irregularities

wb6bee
 

I started wiggling coax and found a bad section between the K3s and the amp.   I replaced it and so far seems ok.   

Don
WB6BEE


Re: Antenna Connection Irregularities

NS2N_PTA@outlook.com
 

Need to isolate ... try without amp ... if possible, jumper antenna(s) so that the switches are not used. Could also be a relay. Any barrel connector is suspect if it isn't Amphenol. 

And so on ...

NS2N


Re: Antenna Connection Irregularities

Dave (NK7Z)
 

When you solve this, please post the solution...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/29/20 5:44 AM, wb6bee wrote:
I am not sure where to post this question.    I have K3s to KPA 1500 to remote antenna switches to various antennas.
Radio can be dead quiet, like not connected to an antenna.   I touch the key to transmit and the band comes alive.   I can wait a bit and it goes quiet again.   Touch the key and back alive.    As if there is a dirty contact somewhere on the antenna system (like a relay) that needs RF to make it work.
Any thoughts on where to look
Don
WB6BEE


Re: Antenna Connection Irregularities

Michael Kopec
 


I had a similar problem, but on only 6 thru 20m. Traced it to a dirty? center pin PL259 connection at the antenna. I inspected than cleaned it with DeoxIT. Problem went away. 1 year later it reoccurred, cleaned it again and problem went away. I could see this happening on my P3 grass level. No swr or transmit problem when this occurred.

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 08:48:55 AM EDT, wb6bee <wb6bee@...> wrote:


I am not sure where to post this question.    I have K3s to KPA 1500 to remote antenna switches to various antennas.

Radio can be dead quiet, like not connected to an antenna.   I touch the key to transmit and the band comes alive.   I can wait a bit and it goes quiet again.   Touch the key and back alive.    As if there is a dirty contact somewhere on the antenna system (like a relay) that needs RF to make it work.

Any thoughts on where to look

Don
WB6BEE


Re: EARLY ANDERSON POWER POLES

Bob G3REP
 
Edited

Someone mentioned earlier there are fake APP's around.
The fake insert has a large A imprinted on the tongue.
The fake one is 0.5mm thick where as the proper one is 0.6mm thick.
The proper one has a longer V indentation on the tongue which makes it stiffer and hence more reliable.
I will try to post a picture of the two in the photos folder.
There are also subtle differences in the plastic holder.
--
73s
Bob
G3REP


Re: Antenna Connection Irregularities

Richard Smith <ku4nz01@...>
 

Same thing happened to me and was caused by faulty connection.

RAS

On Apr 29, 2020, at 08:01, Dave Cole <dave@nk7z.net> wrote:

That is exactly what it sounds like...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/29/20 5:44 AM, wb6bee wrote:
I am not sure where to post this question. I have K3s to KPA 1500 to remote antenna switches to various antennas.
Radio can be dead quiet, like not connected to an antenna. I touch the key to transmit and the band comes alive. I can wait a bit and it goes quiet again. Touch the key and back alive. As if there is a dirty contact somewhere on the antenna system (like a relay) that needs RF to make it work.
Any thoughts on where to look
Don
WB6BEE


Re: Antenna Connection Irregularities

Dave (NK7Z)
 

That is exactly what it sounds like...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/29/20 5:44 AM, wb6bee wrote:
I am not sure where to post this question.    I have K3s to KPA 1500 to remote antenna switches to various antennas.
Radio can be dead quiet, like not connected to an antenna.   I touch the key to transmit and the band comes alive.   I can wait a bit and it goes quiet again.   Touch the key and back alive.    As if there is a dirty contact somewhere on the antenna system (like a relay) that needs RF to make it work.
Any thoughts on where to look
Don
WB6BEE

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