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Re: K3, P3 & an SPE amp.

Bill Mader
 

GM Mike,

The K3 manual has an excellent description for setting ALC.  The intent is to not allow ALC Voltage from the amplifier to control the K3 RF output level until the amplifier output becomes excessive.  A situation like an antenna system failure comes to mind.  Thus, ALC should be used to help prevent amplifier damage, but not control "normal' operation.  That is how I have my K3+KPA1500 configured. and the same for a K3+KPA500 configuration.  Under normal operation ALC Voltage from the amplifiers has no effect upon the transceivers.  Whether my operation is "normal" is a matter for discussion.

Take care my old friend!  73, Bill, K8TE


Re: WSJT-X version 2.4.0 c19062

Bill Carpenter
 

Hi Tom,

I loaded the 2.5.0 and found I still need to set mode at NONE or the delay occurs.

73, Bill NZ0T


Re: K3, P3 & an SPE amp.

john ni0k
 

I talked to Bob Hardie about this very situation. He said in no uncertain terms DO NOT USE ALC WITH A K3. This is due to Elecraft's implementation of ALC.

I don't use ALC with my K3/2K and set the K3 output power appropriately.

-de John NI0K rural Debs, MN

Michael Kopec via groups.io wrote on 6/5/2021 8:51 AM:

Hello Tim; I also wonder how well the K3 ALC input from the SPE amplifier responds. ie, The SPE manual says to rum full exciter power to the amplifier input and the ALC will adjust accordingly. Elecraft says not to rely on the ALC to reduce K3 power output to the amplifier. I also have a recently acquired SPE amplifier as well ,and a KPA500 currently connected, but have not used the SPE with my K3s. de Mike K8NS
On Saturday, June 5, 2021, 08:03:32 AM EDT, Martin Sole <hs0zed@...> wrote:


What about the RS232 pass through on the P3?
If you don't have a PC connected to the K3/P3 that would seem the simplest solution.


On 5/6/64 07:34, Tim Jones wrote:
Hello everyone on list.

I recently purchased a K3 along with a P3. Working beautifully. 

I also have an SPE amp (2k-fa) which I have connected to my other radio, a Flex 6400M.

I am wondering if someone can point me in the right direction as to how to hook the SPE up to the K3?

The RS232 on the rear of the radio is already hooked up to the rs232 port on the P3, is there an adapter I need to purchase to 'split' the rs232 port or has anyone got a diagram handy to make up a cable to do the same thing?

Apologies in advance, bit of a learning curve for me and no doubt I will have some more mundane questions from time to time.

Thanks in advance and 73.

Tim, VK6EI
tim@...



K3 update

Richard Line
 

Thanks Brian K0DTJ, guess I better not wait till the last minute before field day.

 

                                Rich KC8HMJ


Re: K3 update

Keith_WE6R
 

Save your config first.
On very rare occasions, with a large jump in FW, I have see the ADC ref  voltage go to 4.00 volts, which is out of range (should be closer to 5). (config menu ADC REF).
You may need to do an EE INIT, factory reset.
Keith WE6R K3 / K4 Tech


Re: K3, P3 & an SPE amp.

Milt
 

I agree, the hookup as straight forward and the cable can be built for less than 10 dollars. I've been using
the connections shown here <https://qrpproject-blog.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/K3e_xpert_Kabel.png>
for over 5 years now with no issues.  I did mine this way as I wanted the band and power On/Off to  be controlled by
the K3.

I agree with the no need for ALC as well.

73

Milt
AD5XD


On 2021-06-05 8:52 AM, Art - VE3UTT / W1AJT wrote:
The hookup is straight forward all RS-232.  First PC to "Y".  One leg of "Y" to P3 then P3 to K3.  Second leg of "Y" to SPE.  In my case I am using an SPE 1.3K-FA and the cable is exceedingly simple to make took probably less than 10 minutes it's only 3 pins; RX, TX, and Ground.  No need to spend big dollars on a pre-made cable.  You don't use ALC with the K3 just set the max drive power on the K3.  I have been using this for over 4 years.


Art - W1AJT / VE3UTT


Re: K3, P3 & an SPE amp.

Art - VE3UTT / W1AJT
 

The hookup is straight forward all RS-232.  First PC to "Y".  One leg of "Y" to P3 then P3 to K3.  Second leg of "Y" to SPE.  In my case I am using an SPE 1.3K-FA and the cable is exceedingly simple to make took probably less than 10 minutes it's only 3 pins; RX, TX, and Ground.  No need to spend big dollars on a pre-made cable.  You don't use ALC with the K3 just set the max drive power on the K3.  I have been using this for over 4 years.


Art - W1AJT / VE3UTT


Re: K3, P3 & an SPE amp.

Michael Kopec
 

Hello Tim; I also wonder how well the K3 ALC input from the SPE amplifier responds. ie, The SPE manual says to rum full exciter power to the amplifier input and the ALC will adjust accordingly. Elecraft says not to rely on the ALC to reduce K3 power output to the amplifier. I also have a recently acquired SPE amplifier as well ,and a KPA500 currently connected, but have not used the SPE with my K3s. de Mike K8NS

On Saturday, June 5, 2021, 08:03:32 AM EDT, Martin Sole <hs0zed@...> wrote:


What about the RS232 pass through on the P3?
If you don't have a PC connected to the K3/P3 that would seem the simplest solution.


On 5/6/64 07:34, Tim Jones wrote:
Hello everyone on list.

I recently purchased a K3 along with a P3. Working beautifully. 

I also have an SPE amp (2k-fa) which I have connected to my other radio, a Flex 6400M.

I am wondering if someone can point me in the right direction as to how to hook the SPE up to the K3?

The RS232 on the rear of the radio is already hooked up to the rs232 port on the P3, is there an adapter I need to purchase to 'split' the rs232 port or has anyone got a diagram handy to make up a cable to do the same thing?

Apologies in advance, bit of a learning curve for me and no doubt I will have some more mundane questions from time to time.

Thanks in advance and 73.

Tim, VK6EI
tim@...


Re: K3, P3 & an SPE amp.

Joe Subich, W4TV
 

The Expert Owners Manuals provide hookup information for
Elecraft. If you are already connecting a computer to
the RS232 pass through connection on the P3, use the
"Listen only" ("Y" connection) otherwise use the three
wire connection.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2021-06-05 12:34 AM, Tim Jones wrote:
Hello everyone on list.
I recently purchased a K3 along with a P3. Working beautifully.
I also have an SPE amp (2k-fa) which I have connected to my other radio, a Flex 6400M.
I am wondering if someone can point me in the right direction as to how to hook the SPE up to the K3?
The RS232 on the rear of the radio is already hooked up to the rs232 port on the P3, is there an adapter I need to purchase to 'split' the rs232 port or has anyone got a diagram handy to make up a cable to do the same thing?
Apologies in advance, bit of a learning curve for me and no doubt I will have some more mundane questions from time to time.
Thanks in advance and 73.
Tim, VK6EI
tim@vk6ei.com


Re: K3, P3 & an SPE amp.

Martin Sole
 

What about the RS232 pass through on the P3?
If you don't have a PC connected to the K3/P3 that would seem the simplest solution.


On 5/6/64 07:34, Tim Jones wrote:
Hello everyone on list.

I recently purchased a K3 along with a P3. Working beautifully. 

I also have an SPE amp (2k-fa) which I have connected to my other radio, a Flex 6400M.

I am wondering if someone can point me in the right direction as to how to hook the SPE up to the K3?

The RS232 on the rear of the radio is already hooked up to the rs232 port on the P3, is there an adapter I need to purchase to 'split' the rs232 port or has anyone got a diagram handy to make up a cable to do the same thing?

Apologies in advance, bit of a learning curve for me and no doubt I will have some more mundane questions from time to time.

Thanks in advance and 73.

Tim, VK6EI
tim@...


Re: K3, P3 & an SPE amp.

James F. Boehner, MD
 

Tim,

 

Dan Tassell makes up custom interface cables for interfacing the SPE’s to transceivers.  He has done two for me, and they function flawlessly.  I have an interface for a flex and for a K3 and use both when I need them.  It makes things “Plug and play”.

 

Go to : Expert Linears America, LLC and go halfway down the page for his contact information.

 

Granted that you are in Australia and shipping may be a bit of a problem.  Dan may know of someone in your area that does the same thing.

 

’73 de JIM Z2ZZ

 

From: Elecraft-K3@groups.io <Elecraft-K3@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Jones
Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 12:34 AM
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: [Elecraft-K3] K3, P3 & an SPE amp.

 

Hello everyone on list.

I recently purchased a K3 along with a P3. Working beautifully. 

I also have an SPE amp (2k-fa) which I have connected to my other radio, a Flex 6400M.

I am wondering if someone can point me in the right direction as to how to hook the SPE up to the K3?

The RS232 on the rear of the radio is already hooked up to the rs232 port on the P3, is there an adapter I need to purchase to 'split' the rs232 port or has anyone got a diagram handy to make up a cable to do the same thing?

Apologies in advance, bit of a learning curve for me and no doubt I will have some more mundane questions from time to time.

Thanks in advance and 73.

Tim, VK6EI
tim@...


K3, P3 & an SPE amp.

Tim Jones
 

Hello everyone on list.

I recently purchased a K3 along with a P3. Working beautifully. 

I also have an SPE amp (2k-fa) which I have connected to my other radio, a Flex 6400M.

I am wondering if someone can point me in the right direction as to how to hook the SPE up to the K3?

The RS232 on the rear of the radio is already hooked up to the rs232 port on the P3, is there an adapter I need to purchase to 'split' the rs232 port or has anyone got a diagram handy to make up a cable to do the same thing?

Apologies in advance, bit of a learning curve for me and no doubt I will have some more mundane questions from time to time.

Thanks in advance and 73.

Tim, VK6EI
tim@...


Re: K3 update

Brian K0DTJ
 

Each update contains all previous changes. You might want to read through the release notes between your current version and the latest to see what might be needed. I remember having to rerun  the TX-GAIN cal somewhere along the line. 

GL & 73,
Brian, K0DTJ

On Jun 4, 2021, at 20:06, Richard Line <radioman@...> wrote:



I haven’t done a recent down load in QUITE awhile, years !

Can I just go ahead without any concerns ?

 

                      Rich KC8HMJ

 


K3 update

Richard Line
 

I haven’t done a recent down load in QUITE awhile, years !

Can I just go ahead without any concerns ?

 

                      Rich KC8HMJ

 


Re: K3S

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
 

See page 65 in the manual, "SW TONE".

73
Bob, K4TAX


Re: WSJT-X version 2.4.0 c19062

mistuff
 

Thanks to the group chat I found that setting the mode to none fixed the transmit delay condition._

 

I just received a notice of new version of WSJT to 2.5.0 “”””” which is a pre release version. I just loaded it and the whole problem seems to be gone without any special settings.

 

Tom w2mn,_._,_


Re: WSJT-X version 2.4.0 c19062

joe gay
 

To All FYI -

I saw on the WSJT-X group that the 'workaround' to this issue was to set to 'None'  the "Data/Pkt" button in the Settings - Radio Tab  in the WSJT-X program - This indeed solved the problem - I communicated the following with Bill G4WJS on the group site -

After back- forth messages the summary was:

My message-
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the reply - I never had the issue before with previous
releases. I see no need to send a 'mode' command with each transmit
cycle. When the mode is selected initially on the main screen, it should
suffice. I use the K3 on CW with CAT controlled PTT & Keying with no
issues, but the mode is not changed during that operating period.
I know that you folks who work with this software do it out of love for
the hobby & to help others, so I am not complaining, just reporting the
issue. If the 'old way' can be implemented in a future release, I will
appreciate it - otherwise I will 'deal with it'

Thanks again for a great program!

73 Joe
-------------------------------------
Hi Joe,
we set the mode on teh assumption that it might have changed. There is a check first on the Rx VFO to elide redundant set mode commands, but on many rigs finding the Tx mode is either expensive or requires a VFO swap so we must just assume the worst and set the mode regardless. IMHO Elecraft should check for redundant mode set commands and ignore them, they are in by far the best position to do such a simple check.
The WSJT-X code has not changed in this respect, but we do build with newer versions of Hamlib with each release, so as to pick up the latest rig models and defect repairs, perhaps there has been a Hamlib change that has precipitated this issue.
73 Bill G4WJS.
 


K3S

Josh L
 

How does one adjust Volume of Beep
when pressing front panel buttons?

thanks   Josh n7xm

--
Everybody knows the Price of everything
and  the Value of   Nothing !


Re: WTB XV432 transverter

Stephen Reichlyn
 

Got one....thanks
73 Steve AA4V


Re: Support - Happy to have my K3S back!

K1dj
 

My K3S arrived back from Elecraft Service following repairs (internal keyer no longer sent dahs -- required replacement of some RFCs on the RF board) with a clean bill of health, exactly 16 weeks after Elecraft acknowledged receipt of the rig.
73 - Rich, K1DJ


-----Original Message-----
From: David Ferrington, M0XDF <M0XDF@...>
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Sent: Sun, May 30, 2021 9:41 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] Support

So well said Dave, NK7Z. Given Elecraft’s pervious superb service and support, let’s give them some slack. If I lived in California I’d be offering to help.

-73 de M0XDF

> On 28 May 2021, at 17:51, Dave (NK7Z) <dave@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, my three posts are probably doing that...  ;)
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
>> On 5/28/21 9:32 AM, Ray Maxfield wrote:
>> Your Beating this To Death !
>> WAA6VAB
>> *From: *Dave (NK7Z) <mailto:dave@...>
>> *Sent: *Friday, May 28, 2021 8:58 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft-K3] Support
>> Mike,
>> You are generalizing, then apply that generalization to a single
>> company.  I can always find something that supports my point of view on
>> the Internet as you are doing, then wave it like a flag of honor to make
>> a point, while beating a smaller business over the head with that same
>> flag.
>> That behavior does not solve anything, nor does prove anything.  No one
>> but you, appointed you the chief hammerer.
>> Why does hammering make it worse?  Because when you post, people assume
>> you know what you are talking about, so they assume you have enough of
>> the facts to form a reasonable opinion.  My guess is you do not have any
>> more facts than most of us here.  So when you post, the assumption
>> people make based on your "hammering", leads people to conclusions that
>> are not valid.
>> Speaking of valid data-- given Elecraft's past history with customer
>> support, I trust Elecraft wants to keep customers happy.  Given
>> Elecraft's past history of building decent radios, I trust Elecraft will
>> continue to build decent radios, and given Elecraft's past history in
>> general, I suspect they want to stay in business.
>> So in general, I suspect they are making the best decisions they can,
>> given the conditions they have been handed.  COVID, wildfire, lack of
>> people, engineers loosing their homes, having to rebuild workspace as
>> all businesses have, and worst of all, being under California COVID law.
>>  I believe at one point they were not even allowed to go into their own
>> factory...
>> I also know some of what I don't know; I don't know what is happening at
>> Elecraft right now, so I don't make assumptions, unless I say they are
>> assumptions.  I do know they are not intentionally ignoring their
>> customers, that is of course an assumption, albeit a safe one I suspect.
>>  I do know that they are short staffed, and I do know they are trying
>> to manage this.
>> How do I know this, I have seen posts to that effect by Elecraft staff,
>> I have had support from them during this pandemic on at least two
>> occasions.
>> So your "hammering" is training Elecraft that offering what support they
>> can right now, gets them nothing but "hammered"  This is probably not
>> the message we should be sending them.
>> I don't know the full list of problems Elecraft is facing right now, so
>> I try and not generalize a small group of businesses to one single
>> business then "hammer" that business because they don't meet my belief
>> structure.  I try and give the business a break, I try and manage my
>> frustrations, and not publicly "hammer" anyone.
>> Would you "hammer" a restaurant owner for lack of staff?  I would hope
>> not, as it is not the restaurant owners fault he/she could not find
>> staff.  Would you "hammer" Ford, for not producing as many cars this
>> year?  How about a small business that relies on larger businesses to
>> supply parts, would you hammer that business?
>> It is easy to get on a soapbox and "hammer" a something.  A business
>> can't really defend itself against an individual doing that in public
>> without looking petty, so the hammerers, always get away with it, even
>> when they are dead wrong...
>> Businesses are having issues right now, get used to it, it will get
>> worse before it gets better, get used to that.  Parts are hard to come
>> by, get used to it.  Competent people are harder to find, get used to it.
>> It will not change overnight.  It will change, and it will get better,
>> it is just going to take some time...
>> Relax, enjoy your hobby, give Elecraft a break, they produced great
>> products years before this, and I suspect they will produce great
>> products for years after this is over...
>> Speaking of soapboxes, I will get off mine now...
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> On 5/28/21 7:52 AM, Michael wrote:
>> > Yes there are problems and most businesses have responded to provide
>> > more than adequate support. Who is foolish: I and others for hammering
>> > Elecraft for ignoring the customers or Elecraft? I saw the same attitude
>> > when Ten Tec changed hands and look what happened to them.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > W8TRN
>> >
>> > Windows 10
>> >
>> > *From: *Dave (NK7Z) <mailto:dave@...>
>> > *Sent: *Friday, May 28, 2021 08:44
>> > *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft-K3] Support
>> >
>> > Mike,
>> >
>> > Acting like there are not problems as a result of the past year is
>> >
>> > foolish, at best, and ignorant at worst...
>> >
>> > 73, and thanks,
>> >
>> > Dave (NK7Z)
>> >
>> >
>> > On 5/28/21 7:39 AM, Michael wrote:
>> >
>> >  > If other businesses can provide continued customer support, why not
>> >
>> >  > Elecraft? Simply no excuses for how they have not responded to the
>> >
>> >  > customer inquiries. Nouns and adjectives such as nerds, kool aid
>> >
>> >  > drinkers etc  comprise the English language; if they apply, use those
>> > words.
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > Mike
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > W8TRN
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> >
>> >  > Windows 10
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > *From: *Dave (NK7Z) <mailto:dave@...>
>> >
>> >  > *Sent: *Friday, May 28, 2021 07:32
>> >
>> >
>> >  > *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft-K3] Support
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > Wes,
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > I suspect Elecraft has not designed their web site as a clever test to
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > filter out one group of customers from another group of customers.
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > Elecraft is evidently suffering some very real business problems right
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > now, as a result of a number of items beyond their control, which I will
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > not list for brevity sake, but starting with COVID, and ending with the
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > lack of help, parts, and supply chain issues, evident in all industries.
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > It has not been Elecraft's nature to ignore support in the past, and I
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > suspect it will not be Elecraft's nature in the future.
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > Your snarky posts, calling mail list members Nerds, Kool-Aid drinkers,
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > and apologists, do nothing to help this situation, and demean the users
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > of this, and other mail lists.  How about cutting us all a break and
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > being nice...
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > 73, and thanks,
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > Dave (NK7Z)
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > On 5/27/21 8:47 PM, Wes Stewart via groups.io wrote:
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  > There are a lot of Elecraft nerds, Koolaid drinkers and apologists in
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  > these self-selected reflectors and groups.
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  >
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  > That does NOT mean that every Elecraft owner is one of them.  Consider
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  > Joe Newham, a new owner who buys one based on a friend's
>> > recommendation,
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  > for example.  Then he has a problem, an all too frequent
>> > occurrence.  He
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  > searches the web for Elecraft and up pops https://elecraft.com He
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  > follows the link and near the top of the page is a banner.  One of the
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  > tabs says "Support." A dropdown from there says "Get Support" and
>> > leads
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  > to a fillable form.  "Aha" says Joe as he fills out the form and sits
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  > back to wait, and wait and wait.....  He might have missed, or
>> > ignored,
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  > the other link that mentions "faster service", since it refers to
>> >
>> >  > "orders."
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  >
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  > Perhaps Elecraft wants to sell to only the nerds who are adept
>> > enough to
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  > navigate confusing web pages or seek advice on reflectors but if they
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  > want to sell to anyone, they should clean up their act.
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  >
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >  > Wes  N7WS
>> >
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