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Re: K3 K3S Parts

Karl Grunewald
 

One alternative, for the truly devoted to any one radio, is to purchase a second radio of the same model. This becomes increasing reasonable as the generations of newer radios appear. Initially it can be a fully functioning radio, allowing a swap-out and more leasurely repair of the first radio. Later, one of the radios can become a "parts" radio. I have done this successfully with Omni6+'s for many years. I am slowly transitioning to K3's at this point and looking forward to more K3's becoming available.

73,

Karl
N8NA
Delaware


Re: K3 K3S Parts

Dave Sharred
 

Accepted, but look at the technology of the parts you are talking about - low electronic technology.  

I think any car or motorcycle from 1980s onwards could be a big problem - anything that's got data parameters, calibrations etc would be difficult to replicate, if you can't get the IC 's... I suspect many a radio would be difficult to fix, without someone back engineering a solution. 

As I said before,  not just an Elecraft problem

73 Dave G3NKC 



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-------- Original message --------
From: ke9uw <c-hawley@...>
Date: 07/11/2020 22:53 (GMT+00:00)
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3 K3S Parts

FYI, BMW Motorrad carries parts for motorcycles that were manufactured in the 60s


Re: K3 K3S Parts

ke9uw
 

FYI, BMW Motorrad carries parts for motorcycles that were manufactured in the 60s


Re: K4 vs Flex

Scott Small AD6YT
 

It depends on your priorities.

Disclaimer: I prepaid a K4D in full, eventually got a refund when it felt I wasn't getting either honesty or delivery. Have been largely off the air while I try to make a similar decision, other than a little ft8 on my kx3 (of which I am still fond)

Pros for the K4:
It is nice. I was impressed by the limited time I had with a prototype.
I have full faith, even now, that Wayne's engineering will someday deliver an excellently performing unit.
Elecraft as a vendor is all about the ham
Superior for CW

Pros for Flex:
You will have it a year sooner
Pricing likely a bit cheaper
Larger outfit supporting it
Confidence it will ship

Tossup:
Mac support for SDR - right now, this probably goes to Flex via 3rd party software

If you are a Windows-using CW operator who is in utterly no rush, K4 seems promising.

If you are strictly SSB, and want something to plug into your Mac this December, Flex is your only option.

Good luck finding what fits your needs best.
73

Scott
AD6YT


On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 11:21 AM Mel Marcus <melm@...> wrote:
All

I know this is a dumb question to ask here but i am going to do it anyway:

If you had a choice of purchasing a K4 or a Flex right now. What would you do and why?

If you chose the K4 would you order int Kat4 with it?

Mel
NE9A


Re: K4 vs Flex

Charlie T, k3ICH
 

I won’t go into the details, but I would ONLY consider buying the K4 vs. any Flex offering

I’ll be ordering one as soon as the “kit” price is announced since I’m really cheap.

 

No question for me…..I’ve had a couple Flex’s (1500. 6300 & 6500) and I’m cured;  no more Flex 4 me.

 

73, Charlie k3ICH

 

 

 

 

 

From: Elecraft-K3@groups.io <Elecraft-K3@groups.io> On Behalf Of bill steffey NY9H
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 2:53 PM
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K4 vs Flex

 

 

On 11/7/2020 2:21 PM, Mel Marcus wrote:

All

 

I know this is a dumb question to ask here but i am going to do it anyway:

 

If you had a choice of purchasing a K4 or a Flex right now. What would you do and why?

 

buy the k4    i did

If you chose the K4 would you order int Kat4 with it?

 

i will

Mel

NE9A

 


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Re: K3S parts availability???

Michael
 

Bi;ll,

 

 

I retired in 1989 after 22+ years in the Air Force and NEVER cursed in the work place. – simply unprofessional, insulting and demeaning. Simpy demonstrates a lack of control and knowledge of the English language.. Well, perhaps a damn or hell but never beyond that.

After I retired, my guess is that profanity in the military work place is grounds for some kinda disciplanary action under the UCMJ. Enough said.

 

Mike Celmer

W8TRN

 

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From: Bill Mader
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 13:22
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S parts availability???

 

I retired from the USAF 1 Sep 99.  Yes, I heard a lot of four-letter words during that time and even used some on rare occasions when my temper got the best of me, but never, not once, used one in written correspondence.  Writing when angry is best followed by putting the prose aside for a while and reviewing it at least once.  Another technique is to burn it, rather than send it.

I attended the NCO (non-commissioned officer) Academy at Lackland AFB TX.  In one seminar we had a guest speaker whose name I can't recall.  He was a professional of some sort, again I can't recall.  I'll never forget what he said about using profanity in the workplace:  "It's not professional."  While this is not a workplace, it is a community with a broad spectrum (pun intended) of readers.  Jim has it right.  Using profanity debases the user and the reader/listener.  I would add that it makes the user appear to lack vocabulary sufficient to expresses himself/herself. 

Coincidentally, just before this digest arrived, my wife and I were discussing this subject ((decaying society) as it relates to politics, of all things.  I'm thankful this coarse behavior appears infrequently in digests like this and wish it were much less on-the-air.  I have a friend who won't operate 75m because of what he has heard there over the years even though it would provide a better HF path between us than 40m.

Good luck in the contest to all!  I know it's a contest weekend because my back is killing me and we have thunderstorms predicted!

73, Bill, K8TE

 


Re: K3S parts availability???

Bill Mader
 

I retired from the USAF 1 Sep 99.  Yes, I heard a lot of four-letter words during that time and even used some on rare occasions when my temper got the best of me, but never, not once, used one in written correspondence.  Writing when angry is best followed by putting the prose aside for a while and reviewing it at least once.  Another technique is to burn it, rather than send it.

I attended the NCO (non-commissioned officer) Academy at Lackland AFB TX.  In one seminar we had a guest speaker whose name I can't recall.  He was a professional of some sort, again I can't recall.  I'll never forget what he said about using profanity in the workplace:  "It's not professional."  While this is not a workplace, it is a community with a broad spectrum (pun intended) of readers.  Jim has it right.  Using profanity debases the user and the reader/listener.  I would add that it makes the user appear to lack vocabulary sufficient to expresses himself/herself. 

Coincidentally, just before this digest arrived, my wife and I were discussing this subject ((decaying society) as it relates to politics, of all things.  I'm thankful this coarse behavior appears infrequently in digests like this and wish it were much less on-the-air.  I have a friend who won't operate 75m because of what he has heard there over the years even though it would provide a better HF path between us than 40m.

Good luck in the contest to all!  I know it's a contest weekend because my back is killing me and we have thunderstorms predicted!

73, Bill, K8TE


Re: Winlink

Dave (NK7Z)
 

Oh yes... All other software using the PTT and mic are working fine... Just Winlink fails to PTT.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 11/7/20 10:49 AM, Bob Novas via groups.io wrote:
Dave -
Make sure windows is allowing Winlink modem app to use the microphone.
Settings/System/Sound/"Related Settings" Microphone Privacy Settings:
Allow Apps to access your microphone: ON
Allow desktop apps to access your microphone: VARA HF MODEM, whatever else you use
Bob - W3DK
-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft-K3@groups.io [mailto:Elecraft-K3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 1:32 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: [Elecraft-K3] Winlink
Hi,
Is anyone using Winlink, (latest), with Windows 10, (latest), and a K3?
All used to work, and all of a sudden PTT fails. All else works, the
radio is driven to the best frequency, etc... I have made no known
changes. There was a windows update... I would like to verify it still
works, and if so, to get some settings from you...


Re: K4 vs Flex

bill steffey NY9H
 


On 11/7/2020 2:21 PM, Mel Marcus wrote:
All

I know this is a dumb question to ask here but i am going to do it anyway:

If you had a choice of purchasing a K4 or a Flex right now. What would you do and why?

buy the k4    i did
If you chose the K4 would you order int Kat4 with it?

i will
Mel
NE9A



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Re: K4 vs Flex

Ed Pflueger
 

I did order the KAT4 with mine in case I would like to take it to Field Day or some other outside activity.

 

Ed.. AB4IQ

 

From: Elecraft-K3@groups.io [mailto:Elecraft-K3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mel Marcus
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 1:21 PM
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: [Elecraft-K3] K4 vs Flex

 

All

 

I know this is a dumb question to ask here but i am going to do it anyway:

 

If you had a choice of purchasing a K4 or a Flex right now. What would you do and why?

 

If you chose the K4 would you order int Kat4 with it?

 

Mel

NE9A


K4 vs Flex

Mel Marcus
 

All

I know this is a dumb question to ask here but i am going to do it anyway:

If you had a choice of purchasing a K4 or a Flex right now. What would you do and why?

If you chose the K4 would you order int Kat4 with it?

Mel
NE9A


Re: KPA3 output erratic

Mel Marcus
 

Chuck

is your board a K3io or a K3ioB? I have the set of k3io because I upgraded to the B

Mel
NE9A

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] KPA3 output erratic
From: "Chuck Miller" <cwmiller20@...>
Date: Sat, November 07, 2020 1:02 pm
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io

"I've ordered the replacement relay from Elecraft, so I will see if that helps."

Today I replaced the bypass relay on my KAT3A, and the problem is solved!!!

However, being not to swift, I made the mistake of reconnecting the rs-232 cable while the computer was powered up,
and I thing it must have zapped to serial chio on th I/O board. Oh well, another part to change.

73, Chuck
N0NC


Re: KPA3 output erratic

Chuck Miller
 

"I've ordered the replacement relay from Elecraft, so I will see if that helps."

Today I replaced the bypass relay on my KAT3A, and the problem is solved!!!

However, being not to swift, I made the mistake of reconnecting the rs-232 cable while the computer was powered up,
and I thing it must have zapped to serial chio on th I/O board. Oh well, another part to change.

73, Chuck
N0NC


Re: Winlink

Bob Novas
 

Dave -

Make sure windows is allowing Winlink modem app to use the microphone.

Settings/System/Sound/"Related Settings" Microphone Privacy Settings:

Allow Apps to access your microphone: ON
Allow desktop apps to access your microphone: VARA HF MODEM, whatever else you use

Bob - W3DK

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft-K3@groups.io [mailto:Elecraft-K3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 1:32 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: [Elecraft-K3] Winlink

Hi,

Is anyone using Winlink, (latest), with Windows 10, (latest), and a K3?
All used to work, and all of a sudden PTT fails. All else works, the
radio is driven to the best frequency, etc... I have made no known
changes. There was a windows update... I would like to verify it still
works, and if so, to get some settings from you...

--
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources


Winlink

Dave (NK7Z)
 

Hi,

Is anyone using Winlink, (latest), with Windows 10, (latest), and a K3? All used to work, and all of a sudden PTT fails. All else works, the radio is driven to the best frequency, etc... I have made no known changes. There was a windows update... I would like to verify it still works, and if so, to get some settings from you...

--
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources


Re: K3S parts availability???

Alex OE3JTB
 

Hmh
I bought 6 years ago a gently used K3 and made an upgrade with sync board and some additional parts.
I am very satisfied with the TRX.
One of my purchase decision was, I believed Elecraft would store spare parts longer than the well known competitors. on the other hand I prefer simple displays, not theese SDR one.

Several years ago I owned a Kenwood 950 SDX , with was discontinued 6-7 years and when I asked my dealer, if spare parts would be available, he denied some essential parts.
So I sold it quickly , even there where no issues.

So I would asked the experienced here, are there essential issues in the last years as some other brands have had.
I know only some issues with the 4 knobs and broken caps.
I will keep mine as long as I can, today I see no alternative to a K3 according to size, weight and performance.
I believe Elecraft has a good reputation, and they dont gamble away :-)
73 Alex


Re: K3 K3S Parts

Dan Abell
 

All,
First I think it would help if Elecraft and the rest would adopt an open source approach to both hardware and software.   One option is to do this when they cease production of a particular model.  
 
Now I anticipate the older folks will respond about intellectual property or using an older phrase “proprietary information” as a reason not to embrace the open licensing approach.   The reality is that typically all stakeholders realize increased value with this approach.

The world has changed, manufactures such as Elecraft deliver far more value per dollar than those of the past.  Technology continues to advance at a rapid rate, no one should expect an
 extended sparing policy.   Your premium price does bring with it a superior product and support, especially support that other manufacturers do not.

So you can be rightly disappointed with Elecraft’s decision, even the language some use reflecting their frustration, but Elecraft is a small domestic company that I would like to see continue to thrive and they have to be smart about how they run their company.  It economics stupid!

Dan w3dka 

On Nov 7, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Dave Sharred via groups.io <g3nkc@...> wrote:


So in Automotive, when a model goes end of life, you have to make an All Time Buy, to fulfill a period afterwards. You would base this on how many units you sold, and factor in field replacement parts too. After the parts are exhausted, you will  be stuck with aftermarket parts, that are either like for like (not always possible) or refurbished units. Refurbish can mean scavenging rare parts from one unit to repair another.

For electronic components for either radios or cars,  simple devices are mainly available; industry standard parts. However,  the biggest issue may be custom chips(ASICs), or microprocessors, especially if they are single sourced, not generic parts. This even happens during the main production run, due to many differing unforseen circumstances.

The problem for radios is not just an Elecraft problem, you will struggle to get some parts even for your 10 year old YaesWoodCom from Japan. 

I am sure that the volumes of radios sold is much less than a mass produced car.

Sorry Ken

73 Dave G3NKC 


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-------- Original message --------
From: redarlington <rdarlington@...>
Date: 07/11/2020 15:04 (GMT+00:00)
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3 K3S Parts

This isn't Germany.  These aren't cars.  Digikey carries every part in the radio with few exceptions.   

-Bob N3XKB

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020, 6:25 PM <gt0hof@...> wrote:

Elecraft should supply spare part for the K3/K3s for at least 10 years after production ends. If these transceivers were cars they WILL have spares for 10 years after the model has gone out of production. In Germany it is law to have spare for 10 years for cars. Are Elecraft just in it for the money? I hope not. As Bob has said these are NOT throw away items. I spent over £5000 4 years ago and if I can’t get spares to repair my K3s I’ll be pissed off to say the least. I would love to have a K4, but I’m retired and have limited funds now I’m not working and I don’t think I’m the only one.

 

Ken B G0HOF

 

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From: Gerard
Sent: 06 November 2020 23:26
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3 K3S Parts

 

Bob, that has nothing to do with customer support.  A K3 and K3S should have full support for 10-20yrs.   They are not disposable radios. I'm if I had a Maserati, Ferrari I'd expect the best parts and service Is Elecraft a street company or top range. 😁

 

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 15:47 Bob Hammond G4DBW via groups.io, <bobatbay=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Another thought on this one .... once the K4 starts rolling off the production line in significant numbers, I would predict we will see more K3 and K3S appear on the second hand market. Will owners separate out the extras from the basic K3 K3S and sell thiese as stand alone boards/ filters ? 

From what I see on ebay there is more money to be made selling these used boards/ filters as separates, which do not necessarlily add the same value to a complete radio.

73

Bob G4DBW

 


Re: K3 K3S Parts

Dave Sharred
 

So in Automotive, when a model goes end of life, you have to make an All Time Buy, to fulfill a period afterwards. You would base this on how many units you sold, and factor in field replacement parts too. After the parts are exhausted, you will  be stuck with aftermarket parts, that are either like for like (not always possible) or refurbished units. Refurbish can mean scavenging rare parts from one unit to repair another.

For electronic components for either radios or cars,  simple devices are mainly available; industry standard parts. However,  the biggest issue may be custom chips(ASICs), or microprocessors, especially if they are single sourced, not generic parts. This even happens during the main production run, due to many differing unforseen circumstances.

The problem for radios is not just an Elecraft problem, you will struggle to get some parts even for your 10 year old YaesWoodCom from Japan. 

I am sure that the volumes of radios sold is much less than a mass produced car.

Sorry Ken

73 Dave G3NKC 


Sent from my Galaxy


-------- Original message --------
From: redarlington <rdarlington@...>
Date: 07/11/2020 15:04 (GMT+00:00)
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3 K3S Parts

This isn't Germany.  These aren't cars.  Digikey carries every part in the radio with few exceptions.   

-Bob N3XKB

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020, 6:25 PM <gt0hof@...> wrote:

Elecraft should supply spare part for the K3/K3s for at least 10 years after production ends. If these transceivers were cars they WILL have spares for 10 years after the model has gone out of production. In Germany it is law to have spare for 10 years for cars. Are Elecraft just in it for the money? I hope not. As Bob has said these are NOT throw away items. I spent over £5000 4 years ago and if I can’t get spares to repair my K3s I’ll be pissed off to say the least. I would love to have a K4, but I’m retired and have limited funds now I’m not working and I don’t think I’m the only one.

 

Ken B G0HOF

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerard
Sent: 06 November 2020 23:26
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3 K3S Parts

 

Bob, that has nothing to do with customer support.  A K3 and K3S should have full support for 10-20yrs.   They are not disposable radios. I'm if I had a Maserati, Ferrari I'd expect the best parts and service Is Elecraft a street company or top range. 😁

 

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 15:47 Bob Hammond G4DBW via groups.io, <bobatbay=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Another thought on this one .... once the K4 starts rolling off the production line in significant numbers, I would predict we will see more K3 and K3S appear on the second hand market. Will owners separate out the extras from the basic K3 K3S and sell thiese as stand alone boards/ filters ? 

From what I see on ebay there is more money to be made selling these used boards/ filters as separates, which do not necessarlily add the same value to a complete radio.

73

Bob G4DBW

 


Re: K3 K3S Parts

redarlington <rdarlington@...>
 

This isn't Germany.  These aren't cars.  Digikey carries every part in the radio with few exceptions.   

-Bob N3XKB

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020, 6:25 PM <gt0hof@...> wrote:

Elecraft should supply spare part for the K3/K3s for at least 10 years after production ends. If these transceivers were cars they WILL have spares for 10 years after the model has gone out of production. In Germany it is law to have spare for 10 years for cars. Are Elecraft just in it for the money? I hope not. As Bob has said these are NOT throw away items. I spent over £5000 4 years ago and if I can’t get spares to repair my K3s I’ll be pissed off to say the least. I would love to have a K4, but I’m retired and have limited funds now I’m not working and I don’t think I’m the only one.

 

Ken B G0HOF

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerard
Sent: 06 November 2020 23:26
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3 K3S Parts

 

Bob, that has nothing to do with customer support.  A K3 and K3S should have full support for 10-20yrs.   They are not disposable radios. I'm if I had a Maserati, Ferrari I'd expect the best parts and service Is Elecraft a street company or top range. 😁

 

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 15:47 Bob Hammond G4DBW via groups.io, <bobatbay=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Another thought on this one .... once the K4 starts rolling off the production line in significant numbers, I would predict we will see more K3 and K3S appear on the second hand market. Will owners separate out the extras from the basic K3 K3S and sell thiese as stand alone boards/ filters ? 

From what I see on ebay there is more money to be made selling these used boards/ filters as separates, which do not necessarlily add the same value to a complete radio.

73

Bob G4DBW

 


Re: K3S parts availability???

KE8G
 

Charlie,
I, also, believe it is a statement of our worldwide values decreasing on every front.

As a young lad of 70, I would never think of talking, writing or in another other form, using words like that; especially in a venue of mixed company.  When I was with my male friends, that was another story; especially during my time in the military.  As they say, " there's a place and time for everything."

I remember going back to college for some extra classes and in one class we discussed the use of the proverbial "four letter" words in today's society.  I was the non-traditional student in the class (old) and to a person, all the others, both male and female, believed that using language like that was perfectly fine.  It made no difference what the setting was, just say what you feel.  I truly felt sorry for them, for if they thought that way about their language, then what are their other values!  I watch how society is decaying and how people are treating (or mistreating, if you will) others and think it's perfectly fine.  I watch how younger folks have taken on a sense of entitlement and believe in their hearts they are owed everything and can do whatever they want, whenever they want.

I am very happy that my parents raised me differently; to respect people, to treat others well, and to be aware of the words I am using.

To add to your last line about a civilized man, I will take it one step further and add that once a person starts to not only use coarse language, but always begins to exponentially raise the volume of their voice, they have lost the debate and need to admit defeat.  Of course, others will say, at that point they need to come out swinging!!

Hope to see everyone in SS this weekend.

73 de Jim - KE8G



On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 11:28 PM Charlie T, k3ICH <pincon@...> wrote:

Unfortunately, some people use, on a daily basis, language that most of us would call at the very least,  “unacceptable”.

It becomes an unchecked habit in conversation, regardless of who gets offended,

A very warped view is that profanity etc. is synonymous with a “macho” personality when it is more simply a substitute for ability in efficient expression.

 

The truly civilized man with reasonable linguistic skills, can completely skewer an opponent (or product) without a single filthy word.

 

73, Charlie k3ICH

 

 

 

 

 

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