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Re: K3 K3S Parts

Gerard <scanneg@...>
 

Bob, that has nothing to do with customer support.  A K3 and K3S should have full support for 10-20yrs.   They are not disposable radios. I'm if I had a Maserati, Ferrari I'd expect the best parts and service Is Elecraft a street company or top range. 😁


On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 15:47 Bob Hammond G4DBW via groups.io, <bobatbay=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Another thought on this one .... once the K4 starts rolling off the production line in significant numbers, I would predict we will see more K3 and K3S appear on the second hand market. Will owners separate out the extras from the basic K3 K3S and sell thiese as stand alone boards/ filters ? 

From what I see on ebay there is more money to be made selling these used boards/ filters as separates, which do not necessarlily add the same value to a complete radio.

73

Bob G4DBW


Re: K3S parts availability???

Charlie T, k3ICH
 

No, you don’t have “spare” parts.

You have a replacement obsolete parts inventory.

 

Chas

 

 

From: Elecraft-K3@groups.io <Elecraft-K3@groups.io> On Behalf Of KE1F Lou
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2020 10:53 AM
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S parts availability???

 

I had my K3 fully upgraded and Elecraft returned the original board with my K3. Now I have my "spare parts" inventory.

My question is to find out which other boards should I have in my K3 inventory to round out my spare stock? Your suggestion would be appreciated. Elecraft?

73, Lou KE1F

PS: Components used to be available for 10 or more years because these components were used by several manufacturers in new and old products such as 0.01uF capacitor. Today we are talking about sub-assemblies, contain hundreds of components and used by 1 manufacturer. 

On 11/6/2020 10:29 AM, Michael Mickelson wrote:

It is heartening to see that Elecraft is researching what parts might be in demand for the K3 and K3S.  I purchased my K3,P3, KPA500 and KAT500  about 10 years ago.  It goes without saying it is the best radio I have ever had, not that I have any experience with some of the high end radios made by the big three.  I know that there is anxiety over the ability to continue to repair and replace vital parts for these Elecraft radios.  But I wonder how long Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, etc repair and provide spare parts for their legacy radios? It is not surprising that Elecraft has to decide to end support at some level.  I perhaps have one more radio upgrade in my future...maybe a K4. 

 

de Mike KD8DZ

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 9:30 AM Mark Morin <mark@...> wrote:

Fred, I agree with you that it’s disappointing from a company that enjoys such a stellar reputation for support to discontinue their flagship product without adequate parts in inventory to provide continued support for the product. 

I understand that building parts inventory for a discontinued product isn’t the most efficient way to run a business in the short term, but it’s the RIGHT way for long-term success and sustaining customer good will. 

I used to work for a large radio manufacturer whose policy it was to maintain a supply of spare parts fo a minimum of 10 years after the cancellation of a product. That usually meant a final production run for spare parts, which the accountants might have thought wasteful but more enlightened management saw as a vital long term investment.

this survey to see which parts have sufficient demand for a production run seems like a penny-punching approach. I had hoped for better when I chose Elecraft for my station equipment. 

Mark VA2MM 


 

--

Michael Mickelson

J. Reid Anderson Professor of Physics and Astronomy, emeritus

Denison University

740-587-0687 H

740-644-1238 M

 


Re: K3S parts availability???

Gerard <scanneg@...>
 

I think ELECRAFT should be professional and promote any faults and publish upgrades or serious defect upgrades.  I think the profit agenda is too high.  The consumer is the primary
.
.

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 18:04 Bill Mader, <billamader@...> wrote:
Yes, please go to the Yaesu lists and take your profanity with you.

For all, we don't need politics here.  Let's keep this list in accordance with the Radio Amateur's Code, something for ladies and gentlemen to follow.  Thanks!

73, Bill, K8TE


Re: K3S parts availability???

Mel Farrer, K6KBE <farrermesa@...>
 

I can't disagree,  Good luck,

Mrl, K6KBE

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 2:02 PM Gerard <scanneg@...> wrote:
Thanks Mel,
I'd still prefer 200W from a 5000 to drive two amps.  USB failure was the last straw for me from the K3S.  That should be basic!

Gerard EI5KF

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 22:57 Mel Farrer, K6KBE, <farrermesa@...> wrote:
Gerard,

Sorry for your loss.  In my experience as a Ham manufacturer in years past, we kept spare parts and subassemblies for years and always gave the buyer the parts list, schematics etc.  The real problem now is that so much of the manufacturing process is outsourced on all of the components.  As such, much continuity of replacement ability hinges on the outsourced providers.  While convenient to the pendler, it is not reliable down stream, been there done that.  On the short term, and I mean short, the manufacturers provide support, but don't hold your breath as to how long it lasts.

The only real proper answer is a service manual with all of the root components listed along with the manufacturer,  I mean down to the SMT parts.  This means a source for all of the proprietary parts also.  AND, source code to prepare them.  Now, that does not mean you can repair it yourself unless you have the training, but it does come close.  Very few manufactures of the modern generation will spend the funds to provide it.

The "now generation" is "sell and discard" rather than repair the consumer products.  I don't like it but it is the way it is.  I have to say that I have some Ham gear that is over 60 years old with through hole construction that I can and have repaired. The modern array is out of that mode.   They want you to use it until it breaks then move on.  

So when you get ready to dump $$$$$$ on new gear weigh the cost against replacement. The reality is it is not going to change.  Sorry, but these are my thoughts.

Respectfully,

Mel, K6KBE

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 1:31 PM Gerard <scanneg@...> wrote:
Ive.looked after a mother with Alzheimers 12 yrs a wife with cancer 3 yrs.  The only outlet I've had is Ham Radio.   They both died this last 15 months.   I spent good money on what I thought was the best.  I fell screwed.  That is my opinion and fuck everyone else.

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 21:53 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I'd buy 2 x FT5000 at 200W A class in the morning at half the price!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 21:49 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I bough a K3, a KPA500 and a K3/0  direct from Elecrsft.  I've received not one notification of part upgrades or recalls.  I think that is amazing when you read all the defects that are our there.  I bought a K3S from another ham and the USB port failed within a few days
..
On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:50 Gerard, <scanneg@...> wrote:
I'd dump the whole shit in the morning and go Yaesu.  Bloodsuckers.

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:44 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have a K3, a K3s, two P3s.  You think these cowboys shud be allowed to walk away for support in light of profit.  Stinks like Trump!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:35 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think Elecraft are really cheeky what I would call abandoning their last product to profit on the next.  I think it is bordering on bullying and not business like to dismiss a recent previous product, like the K3s.
What a croc of shit!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 16:53 KE1F Lou, <lmecseri@...> wrote:

I had my K3 fully upgraded and Elecraft returned the original board with my K3. Now I have my "spare parts" inventory.

My question is to find out which other boards should I have in my K3 inventory to round out my spare stock? Your suggestion would be appreciated. Elecraft?

73, Lou KE1F

PS: Components used to be available for 10 or more years because these components were used by several manufacturers in new and old products such as 0.01uF capacitor. Today we are talking about sub-assemblies, contain hundreds of components and used by 1 manufacturer. 

On 11/6/2020 10:29 AM, Michael Mickelson wrote:
It is heartening to see that Elecraft is researching what parts might be in demand for the K3 and K3S.  I purchased my K3,P3, KPA500 and KAT500  about 10 years ago.  It goes without saying it is the best radio I have ever had, not that I have any experience with some of the high end radios made by the big three.  I know that there is anxiety over the ability to continue to repair and replace vital parts for these Elecraft radios.  But I wonder how long Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, etc repair and provide spare parts for their legacy radios? It is not surprising that Elecraft has to decide to end support at some level.  I perhaps have one more radio upgrade in my future...maybe a K4. 

de Mike KD8DZ

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 9:30 AM Mark Morin <mark@...> wrote:
Fred, I agree with you that it’s disappointing from a company that enjoys such a stellar reputation for support to discontinue their flagship product without adequate parts in inventory to provide continued support for the product. 

I understand that building parts inventory for a discontinued product isn’t the most efficient way to run a business in the short term, but it’s the RIGHT way for long-term success and sustaining customer good will. 

I used to work for a large radio manufacturer whose policy it was to maintain a supply of spare parts fo a minimum of 10 years after the cancellation of a product. That usually meant a final production run for spare parts, which the accountants might have thought wasteful but more enlightened management saw as a vital long term investment.

this survey to see which parts have sufficient demand for a production run seems like a penny-punching approach. I had hoped for better when I chose Elecraft for my station equipment. 

Mark VA2MM 


--
Michael Mickelson
J. Reid Anderson Professor of Physics and Astronomy, emeritus
Denison University
740-587-0687 H
740-644-1238 M
 


Re: K3S parts availability???

Gerard <scanneg@...>
 

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On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 18:04 Bill Mader, <billamader@...> wrote:
Yes, please go to the Yaesu lists and take your profanity with you.

For all, we don't need politics here.  Let's keep this list in accordance with the Radio Amateur's Code, something for ladies and gentlemen to follow.  Thanks!

73, Bill, K8TE


Re: K3S parts availability???

SGS 126
 
Edited

Sorry to hear about your loss.  I'm sure those parts will become available and K3 repair sources will start to pop up.

Ben KJ4CC


Re: K3S parts availability???

Gerard <scanneg@...>
 

Thanks Mel,
I'd still prefer 200W from a 5000 to drive two amps.  USB failure was the last straw for me from the K3S.  That should be basic!

Gerard EI5KF

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 22:57 Mel Farrer, K6KBE, <farrermesa@...> wrote:
Gerard,

Sorry for your loss.  In my experience as a Ham manufacturer in years past, we kept spare parts and subassemblies for years and always gave the buyer the parts list, schematics etc.  The real problem now is that so much of the manufacturing process is outsourced on all of the components.  As such, much continuity of replacement ability hinges on the outsourced providers.  While convenient to the pendler, it is not reliable down stream, been there done that.  On the short term, and I mean short, the manufacturers provide support, but don't hold your breath as to how long it lasts.

The only real proper answer is a service manual with all of the root components listed along with the manufacturer,  I mean down to the SMT parts.  This means a source for all of the proprietary parts also.  AND, source code to prepare them.  Now, that does not mean you can repair it yourself unless you have the training, but it does come close.  Very few manufactures of the modern generation will spend the funds to provide it.

The "now generation" is "sell and discard" rather than repair the consumer products.  I don't like it but it is the way it is.  I have to say that I have some Ham gear that is over 60 years old with through hole construction that I can and have repaired. The modern array is out of that mode.   They want you to use it until it breaks then move on.  

So when you get ready to dump $$$$$$ on new gear weigh the cost against replacement. The reality is it is not going to change.  Sorry, but these are my thoughts.

Respectfully,

Mel, K6KBE

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 1:31 PM Gerard <scanneg@...> wrote:
Ive.looked after a mother with Alzheimers 12 yrs a wife with cancer 3 yrs.  The only outlet I've had is Ham Radio.   They both died this last 15 months.   I spent good money on what I thought was the best.  I fell screwed.  That is my opinion and fuck everyone else.

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 21:53 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I'd buy 2 x FT5000 at 200W A class in the morning at half the price!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 21:49 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I bough a K3, a KPA500 and a K3/0  direct from Elecrsft.  I've received not one notification of part upgrades or recalls.  I think that is amazing when you read all the defects that are our there.  I bought a K3S from another ham and the USB port failed within a few days
..
On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:50 Gerard, <scanneg@...> wrote:
I'd dump the whole shit in the morning and go Yaesu.  Bloodsuckers.

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:44 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have a K3, a K3s, two P3s.  You think these cowboys shud be allowed to walk away for support in light of profit.  Stinks like Trump!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:35 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think Elecraft are really cheeky what I would call abandoning their last product to profit on the next.  I think it is bordering on bullying and not business like to dismiss a recent previous product, like the K3s.
What a croc of shit!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 16:53 KE1F Lou, <lmecseri@...> wrote:

I had my K3 fully upgraded and Elecraft returned the original board with my K3. Now I have my "spare parts" inventory.

My question is to find out which other boards should I have in my K3 inventory to round out my spare stock? Your suggestion would be appreciated. Elecraft?

73, Lou KE1F

PS: Components used to be available for 10 or more years because these components were used by several manufacturers in new and old products such as 0.01uF capacitor. Today we are talking about sub-assemblies, contain hundreds of components and used by 1 manufacturer. 

On 11/6/2020 10:29 AM, Michael Mickelson wrote:
It is heartening to see that Elecraft is researching what parts might be in demand for the K3 and K3S.  I purchased my K3,P3, KPA500 and KAT500  about 10 years ago.  It goes without saying it is the best radio I have ever had, not that I have any experience with some of the high end radios made by the big three.  I know that there is anxiety over the ability to continue to repair and replace vital parts for these Elecraft radios.  But I wonder how long Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, etc repair and provide spare parts for their legacy radios? It is not surprising that Elecraft has to decide to end support at some level.  I perhaps have one more radio upgrade in my future...maybe a K4. 

de Mike KD8DZ

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 9:30 AM Mark Morin <mark@...> wrote:
Fred, I agree with you that it’s disappointing from a company that enjoys such a stellar reputation for support to discontinue their flagship product without adequate parts in inventory to provide continued support for the product. 

I understand that building parts inventory for a discontinued product isn’t the most efficient way to run a business in the short term, but it’s the RIGHT way for long-term success and sustaining customer good will. 

I used to work for a large radio manufacturer whose policy it was to maintain a supply of spare parts fo a minimum of 10 years after the cancellation of a product. That usually meant a final production run for spare parts, which the accountants might have thought wasteful but more enlightened management saw as a vital long term investment.

this survey to see which parts have sufficient demand for a production run seems like a penny-punching approach. I had hoped for better when I chose Elecraft for my station equipment. 

Mark VA2MM 


--
Michael Mickelson
J. Reid Anderson Professor of Physics and Astronomy, emeritus
Denison University
740-587-0687 H
740-644-1238 M
 


Re: K3S parts availability???

Mel Farrer, K6KBE <farrermesa@...>
 

Gerard,

Sorry for your loss.  In my experience as a Ham manufacturer in years past, we kept spare parts and subassemblies for years and always gave the buyer the parts list, schematics etc.  The real problem now is that so much of the manufacturing process is outsourced on all of the components.  As such, much continuity of replacement ability hinges on the outsourced providers.  While convenient to the pendler, it is not reliable down stream, been there done that.  On the short term, and I mean short, the manufacturers provide support, but don't hold your breath as to how long it lasts.

The only real proper answer is a service manual with all of the root components listed along with the manufacturer,  I mean down to the SMT parts.  This means a source for all of the proprietary parts also.  AND, source code to prepare them.  Now, that does not mean you can repair it yourself unless you have the training, but it does come close.  Very few manufactures of the modern generation will spend the funds to provide it.

The "now generation" is "sell and discard" rather than repair the consumer products.  I don't like it but it is the way it is.  I have to say that I have some Ham gear that is over 60 years old with through hole construction that I can and have repaired. The modern array is out of that mode.   They want you to use it until it breaks then move on.  

So when you get ready to dump $$$$$$ on new gear weigh the cost against replacement. The reality is it is not going to change.  Sorry, but these are my thoughts.

Respectfully,

Mel, K6KBE

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 1:31 PM Gerard <scanneg@...> wrote:
Ive.looked after a mother with Alzheimers 12 yrs a wife with cancer 3 yrs.  The only outlet I've had is Ham Radio.   They both died this last 15 months.   I spent good money on what I thought was the best.  I fell screwed.  That is my opinion and fuck everyone else.

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 21:53 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I'd buy 2 x FT5000 at 200W A class in the morning at half the price!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 21:49 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I bough a K3, a KPA500 and a K3/0  direct from Elecrsft.  I've received not one notification of part upgrades or recalls.  I think that is amazing when you read all the defects that are our there.  I bought a K3S from another ham and the USB port failed within a few days
..
On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:50 Gerard, <scanneg@...> wrote:
I'd dump the whole shit in the morning and go Yaesu.  Bloodsuckers.

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:44 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have a K3, a K3s, two P3s.  You think these cowboys shud be allowed to walk away for support in light of profit.  Stinks like Trump!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:35 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think Elecraft are really cheeky what I would call abandoning their last product to profit on the next.  I think it is bordering on bullying and not business like to dismiss a recent previous product, like the K3s.
What a croc of shit!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 16:53 KE1F Lou, <lmecseri@...> wrote:

I had my K3 fully upgraded and Elecraft returned the original board with my K3. Now I have my "spare parts" inventory.

My question is to find out which other boards should I have in my K3 inventory to round out my spare stock? Your suggestion would be appreciated. Elecraft?

73, Lou KE1F

PS: Components used to be available for 10 or more years because these components were used by several manufacturers in new and old products such as 0.01uF capacitor. Today we are talking about sub-assemblies, contain hundreds of components and used by 1 manufacturer. 

On 11/6/2020 10:29 AM, Michael Mickelson wrote:
It is heartening to see that Elecraft is researching what parts might be in demand for the K3 and K3S.  I purchased my K3,P3, KPA500 and KAT500  about 10 years ago.  It goes without saying it is the best radio I have ever had, not that I have any experience with some of the high end radios made by the big three.  I know that there is anxiety over the ability to continue to repair and replace vital parts for these Elecraft radios.  But I wonder how long Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, etc repair and provide spare parts for their legacy radios? It is not surprising that Elecraft has to decide to end support at some level.  I perhaps have one more radio upgrade in my future...maybe a K4. 

de Mike KD8DZ

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 9:30 AM Mark Morin <mark@...> wrote:
Fred, I agree with you that it’s disappointing from a company that enjoys such a stellar reputation for support to discontinue their flagship product without adequate parts in inventory to provide continued support for the product. 

I understand that building parts inventory for a discontinued product isn’t the most efficient way to run a business in the short term, but it’s the RIGHT way for long-term success and sustaining customer good will. 

I used to work for a large radio manufacturer whose policy it was to maintain a supply of spare parts fo a minimum of 10 years after the cancellation of a product. That usually meant a final production run for spare parts, which the accountants might have thought wasteful but more enlightened management saw as a vital long term investment.

this survey to see which parts have sufficient demand for a production run seems like a penny-punching approach. I had hoped for better when I chose Elecraft for my station equipment. 

Mark VA2MM 


--
Michael Mickelson
J. Reid Anderson Professor of Physics and Astronomy, emeritus
Denison University
740-587-0687 H
740-644-1238 M
 


Re: K3S parts availability???

K. Lopez
 

Yeah, I’ve fixed many Collins and Drakes,! and I have oodles of NOS tubes! And some Collins and Drake spare parts. But the only tube rigs here are my novice DX20 and a 6AG7-6L6 80-40m xmitter. Not going back.

I’m really happy with KX2, KX3, K3, K3s. Orig K3 almost 12 yrs old, never a problem.

Gotta build the K2 kit I bought as a “retirement project”. Been too busy!

Your K4 will come in time, and it will be great. I’ll get there myself when they are available.

Good to hear from you! Be well.

Just enjoy!

On Nov 5, 2020, at 10:29 AM, bill steffey NY9H <Ny9h@arrl.net> wrote:

you should have kept that navigator !!!!

cool radio even with parts availability problems//

On 11/5/2020 10:40 AM, Bob Novas via groups.io wrote:
I'm interested too. My Drake C-line from 1972 still operates FB, and I'm fully able to fix it when it dies. Folks with Collins S-lines also have forever radios. I doubt I can say that about my K3S. What attracted me to the K3S was the modularity - the idea that if something failed, you could swap out a board, or, if an improvement came along, you could swap in an improvement. (I thought I remembered reading that was the promise of the K3s Mixer PCB - it was replaceable as improvements became available. But I can't find that statement anywhere.) But the idea that the K3s could become a paperweight is dismaying. Bob - W3DK

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft-K3@groups.io [mailto:Elecraft-K3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2020 8:54 AM
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S parts availability???

This is an interesting thread... I hope Elecraft speaks up soon...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 11/5/20 5:50 AM, Jim - N4ST wrote:
I was offered a PA upgrade on my factory K3S a couple of years ago to
improve 6M performance.

Earlier this year I decided to go ahead and get the upgrade, but was
told it was no longer available.



____________

73,

Jim – N4ST

*From:* Elecraft-K3@groups.io <Elecraft-K3@groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Fred-K0FG
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 3, 2020 21:26
*To:* Elecraft-K3@groups.io
*Subject:* [Elecraft-K3] K3S parts availability???

How long has the K3S been discontinued? Or has it been discontinued?
Is it obsolete? I have a K3 and a K3s. The K3S recently took a
surge during a storm that wiped out the KIO3B USB connectivity
function. Replacement parts are not available. I am on a list to get
one, if/when they decide to make more. Do I just give up on the K3S?
Are they just pushing the K4. Customer support did not say they
don't have the parts in stock, they just said to put your name on the
list so if they decide to make more they will let you know. No
estimated date of when they will even make the decision, let alone make
the parts? It all depends on demand??? Does not sound very
comforting to me. Yeah, I am very disappointed.
Fred, K0FG








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Re: K3S parts availability???

Gerard <scanneg@...>
 

Ive.looked after a mother with Alzheimers 12 yrs a wife with cancer 3 yrs.  The only outlet I've had is Ham Radio.   They both died this last 15 months.   I spent good money on what I thought was the best.  I fell screwed.  That is my opinion and fuck everyone else.


On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 21:53 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I'd buy 2 x FT5000 at 200W A class in the morning at half the price!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 21:49 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I bough a K3, a KPA500 and a K3/0  direct from Elecrsft.  I've received not one notification of part upgrades or recalls.  I think that is amazing when you read all the defects that are our there.  I bought a K3S from another ham and the USB port failed within a few days
..
On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:50 Gerard, <scanneg@...> wrote:
I'd dump the whole shit in the morning and go Yaesu.  Bloodsuckers.

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:44 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have a K3, a K3s, two P3s.  You think these cowboys shud be allowed to walk away for support in light of profit.  Stinks like Trump!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:35 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think Elecraft are really cheeky what I would call abandoning their last product to profit on the next.  I think it is bordering on bullying and not business like to dismiss a recent previous product, like the K3s.
What a croc of shit!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 16:53 KE1F Lou, <lmecseri@...> wrote:

I had my K3 fully upgraded and Elecraft returned the original board with my K3. Now I have my "spare parts" inventory.

My question is to find out which other boards should I have in my K3 inventory to round out my spare stock? Your suggestion would be appreciated. Elecraft?

73, Lou KE1F

PS: Components used to be available for 10 or more years because these components were used by several manufacturers in new and old products such as 0.01uF capacitor. Today we are talking about sub-assemblies, contain hundreds of components and used by 1 manufacturer. 

On 11/6/2020 10:29 AM, Michael Mickelson wrote:
It is heartening to see that Elecraft is researching what parts might be in demand for the K3 and K3S.  I purchased my K3,P3, KPA500 and KAT500  about 10 years ago.  It goes without saying it is the best radio I have ever had, not that I have any experience with some of the high end radios made by the big three.  I know that there is anxiety over the ability to continue to repair and replace vital parts for these Elecraft radios.  But I wonder how long Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, etc repair and provide spare parts for their legacy radios? It is not surprising that Elecraft has to decide to end support at some level.  I perhaps have one more radio upgrade in my future...maybe a K4. 

de Mike KD8DZ

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 9:30 AM Mark Morin <mark@...> wrote:
Fred, I agree with you that it’s disappointing from a company that enjoys such a stellar reputation for support to discontinue their flagship product without adequate parts in inventory to provide continued support for the product. 

I understand that building parts inventory for a discontinued product isn’t the most efficient way to run a business in the short term, but it’s the RIGHT way for long-term success and sustaining customer good will. 

I used to work for a large radio manufacturer whose policy it was to maintain a supply of spare parts fo a minimum of 10 years after the cancellation of a product. That usually meant a final production run for spare parts, which the accountants might have thought wasteful but more enlightened management saw as a vital long term investment.

this survey to see which parts have sufficient demand for a production run seems like a penny-punching approach. I had hoped for better when I chose Elecraft for my station equipment. 

Mark VA2MM 


--
Michael Mickelson
J. Reid Anderson Professor of Physics and Astronomy, emeritus
Denison University
740-587-0687 H
740-644-1238 M
 


Re: K3S parts availability???

Gerard <scanneg@...>
 

I'd buy 2 x FT5000 at 200W A class in the morning at half the price!


On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 21:49 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I bough a K3, a KPA500 and a K3/0  direct from Elecrsft.  I've received not one notification of part upgrades or recalls.  I think that is amazing when you read all the defects that are our there.  I bought a K3S from another ham and the USB port failed within a few days
..
On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:50 Gerard, <scanneg@...> wrote:
I'd dump the whole shit in the morning and go Yaesu.  Bloodsuckers.

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:44 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have a K3, a K3s, two P3s.  You think these cowboys shud be allowed to walk away for support in light of profit.  Stinks like Trump!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:35 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think Elecraft are really cheeky what I would call abandoning their last product to profit on the next.  I think it is bordering on bullying and not business like to dismiss a recent previous product, like the K3s.
What a croc of shit!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 16:53 KE1F Lou, <lmecseri@...> wrote:

I had my K3 fully upgraded and Elecraft returned the original board with my K3. Now I have my "spare parts" inventory.

My question is to find out which other boards should I have in my K3 inventory to round out my spare stock? Your suggestion would be appreciated. Elecraft?

73, Lou KE1F

PS: Components used to be available for 10 or more years because these components were used by several manufacturers in new and old products such as 0.01uF capacitor. Today we are talking about sub-assemblies, contain hundreds of components and used by 1 manufacturer. 

On 11/6/2020 10:29 AM, Michael Mickelson wrote:
It is heartening to see that Elecraft is researching what parts might be in demand for the K3 and K3S.  I purchased my K3,P3, KPA500 and KAT500  about 10 years ago.  It goes without saying it is the best radio I have ever had, not that I have any experience with some of the high end radios made by the big three.  I know that there is anxiety over the ability to continue to repair and replace vital parts for these Elecraft radios.  But I wonder how long Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, etc repair and provide spare parts for their legacy radios? It is not surprising that Elecraft has to decide to end support at some level.  I perhaps have one more radio upgrade in my future...maybe a K4. 

de Mike KD8DZ

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 9:30 AM Mark Morin <mark@...> wrote:
Fred, I agree with you that it’s disappointing from a company that enjoys such a stellar reputation for support to discontinue their flagship product without adequate parts in inventory to provide continued support for the product. 

I understand that building parts inventory for a discontinued product isn’t the most efficient way to run a business in the short term, but it’s the RIGHT way for long-term success and sustaining customer good will. 

I used to work for a large radio manufacturer whose policy it was to maintain a supply of spare parts fo a minimum of 10 years after the cancellation of a product. That usually meant a final production run for spare parts, which the accountants might have thought wasteful but more enlightened management saw as a vital long term investment.

this survey to see which parts have sufficient demand for a production run seems like a penny-punching approach. I had hoped for better when I chose Elecraft for my station equipment. 

Mark VA2MM 


--
Michael Mickelson
J. Reid Anderson Professor of Physics and Astronomy, emeritus
Denison University
740-587-0687 H
740-644-1238 M
 


Re: K3S parts availability???

Gerard <scanneg@...>
 

I bough a K3, a KPA500 and a K3/0  direct from Elecrsft.  I've received not one notification of part upgrades or recalls.  I think that is amazing when you read all the defects that are our there.  I bought a K3S from another ham and the USB port failed within a few days
..

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:50 Gerard, <scanneg@...> wrote:
I'd dump the whole shit in the morning and go Yaesu.  Bloodsuckers.

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:44 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have a K3, a K3s, two P3s.  You think these cowboys shud be allowed to walk away for support in light of profit.  Stinks like Trump!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:35 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think Elecraft are really cheeky what I would call abandoning their last product to profit on the next.  I think it is bordering on bullying and not business like to dismiss a recent previous product, like the K3s.
What a croc of shit!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 16:53 KE1F Lou, <lmecseri@...> wrote:

I had my K3 fully upgraded and Elecraft returned the original board with my K3. Now I have my "spare parts" inventory.

My question is to find out which other boards should I have in my K3 inventory to round out my spare stock? Your suggestion would be appreciated. Elecraft?

73, Lou KE1F

PS: Components used to be available for 10 or more years because these components were used by several manufacturers in new and old products such as 0.01uF capacitor. Today we are talking about sub-assemblies, contain hundreds of components and used by 1 manufacturer. 

On 11/6/2020 10:29 AM, Michael Mickelson wrote:
It is heartening to see that Elecraft is researching what parts might be in demand for the K3 and K3S.  I purchased my K3,P3, KPA500 and KAT500  about 10 years ago.  It goes without saying it is the best radio I have ever had, not that I have any experience with some of the high end radios made by the big three.  I know that there is anxiety over the ability to continue to repair and replace vital parts for these Elecraft radios.  But I wonder how long Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, etc repair and provide spare parts for their legacy radios? It is not surprising that Elecraft has to decide to end support at some level.  I perhaps have one more radio upgrade in my future...maybe a K4. 

de Mike KD8DZ

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 9:30 AM Mark Morin <mark@...> wrote:
Fred, I agree with you that it’s disappointing from a company that enjoys such a stellar reputation for support to discontinue their flagship product without adequate parts in inventory to provide continued support for the product. 

I understand that building parts inventory for a discontinued product isn’t the most efficient way to run a business in the short term, but it’s the RIGHT way for long-term success and sustaining customer good will. 

I used to work for a large radio manufacturer whose policy it was to maintain a supply of spare parts fo a minimum of 10 years after the cancellation of a product. That usually meant a final production run for spare parts, which the accountants might have thought wasteful but more enlightened management saw as a vital long term investment.

this survey to see which parts have sufficient demand for a production run seems like a penny-punching approach. I had hoped for better when I chose Elecraft for my station equipment. 

Mark VA2MM 


--
Michael Mickelson
J. Reid Anderson Professor of Physics and Astronomy, emeritus
Denison University
740-587-0687 H
740-644-1238 M
 


Re: K3S parts availability???

Bob Hallock
 

I agree Bill. 
Bob K7TM

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 10:27 AM Michael Kopec via groups.io <michaelkopec1=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Well said Bill, tnx
On Friday, November 6, 2020, 12:04:30 PM EST, Bill Mader <billamader@...> wrote:


Yes, please go to the Yaesu lists and take your profanity with you.

For all, we don't need politics here.  Let's keep this list in accordance with the Radio Amateur's Code, something for ladies and gentlemen to follow.  Thanks!

73, Bill, K8TE


Re: K3S parts availability???

Michael Kopec
 

Well said Bill, tnx

On Friday, November 6, 2020, 12:04:30 PM EST, Bill Mader <billamader@...> wrote:


Yes, please go to the Yaesu lists and take your profanity with you.

For all, we don't need politics here.  Let's keep this list in accordance with the Radio Amateur's Code, something for ladies and gentlemen to follow.  Thanks!

73, Bill, K8TE


Re: K3S parts availability???

Bob Hallock
 


On Fri, Nov 6, 2020, 9:21 AM Dave Cole <dave@...> wrote:
...and so another interesting thread dies before Elecraft has a moment
to comment...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 11/6/20 9:01 AM, Mal wrote:
> You’re right almost as bad as that miserable crook Biden
>
> Mal
>
> *From:* Elecraft-K3@groups.io <Elecraft-K3@groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerard
> *Sent:* Friday, November 6, 2020 11:50 AM
> *To:* Elecraft-K3@groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S parts availability???
>
> I'd dump the whole shit in the morning and go Yaesu.  Bloodsuckers.
>
> On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:44 Gerard via groups.io <http://groups.io>,
> <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io>> wrote:
>
>     I have a K3, a K3s, two P3s.  You think these cowboys shud be
>     allowed to walk away for support in light of profit.  Stinks like Trump!
>
>     On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:35 Gerard via groups.io <http://groups.io>,
>     <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io>> wrote:
>
>         I think Elecraft are really cheeky what I would call abandoning
>         their last product to profit on the next.  I think it is
>         bordering on bullying and not business like to dismiss a recent
>         previous product, like the K3s.
>
>         What a croc of shit!
>
>         On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 16:53 KE1F Lou, <lmecseri@...
>         <mailto:lmecseri@...>> wrote:
>
>             I had my K3 fully upgraded and Elecraft returned the
>             original board with my K3. Now I have my "spare parts"
>             inventory.
>
>             My question is to find out which other boards should I have
>             in my K3 inventory to round out my spare stock? Your
>             suggestion would be appreciated. Elecraft?
>
>             73, Lou KE1F
>
>             PS: Components used to be available for 10 or more years
>             because these components were used by several manufacturers
>             in new and old products such as 0.01uF capacitor. Today we
>             are talking about sub-assemblies, contain hundreds of
>             components and used by 1 manufacturer.
>
>             On 11/6/2020 10:29 AM, Michael Mickelson wrote:
>
>                 It is heartening to see that Elecraft is researching
>                 what parts might be in demand for the K3 and K3S.  I
>                 purchased my K3,P3, KPA500 and KAT500  about 10 years
>                 ago.  It goes without saying it is the best radio I have
>                 ever had, not that I have any experience with some of
>                 the high end radios made by the big three.  I know that
>                 there is anxiety over the ability to continue to repair
>                 and replace vital parts for these Elecraft radios.  But
>                 I wonder how long Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, etc repair and
>                 provide spare parts for their legacy radios? It is not
>                 surprising that Elecraft has to decide to end support at
>                 some level.  I perhaps have one more radio upgrade in my
>                 future...maybe a K4.
>
>                 de Mike KD8DZ
>
>                 On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 9:30 AM Mark Morin
>                 <mark@... <mailto:mark@...>> wrote:
>
>                     Fred, I agree with you that it’s disappointing from
>                     a company that enjoys such a stellar reputation for
>                     support to discontinue their flagship product
>                     without adequate parts in inventory to provide
>                     continued support for the product.
>
>                     I understand that building parts inventory for a
>                     discontinued product isn’t the most efficient way to
>                     run a business in the short term, but it’s the RIGHT
>                     way for long-term success and sustaining customer
>                     good will.
>
>                     I used to work for a large radio manufacturer whose
>                     policy it was to maintain a supply of spare parts fo
>                     a minimum of 10 years after the cancellation of a
>                     product. That usually meant a final production run
>                     for spare parts, which the accountants might have
>                     thought wasteful but more enlightened management saw
>                     as a vital long term investment.
>
>                     this survey to see which parts have sufficient
>                     demand for a production run seems like a
>                     penny-punching approach. I had hoped for better when
>                     I chose Elecraft for my station equipment.
>
>                     Mark VA2MM
>
>
>                 --
>
>                 Michael Mickelson
>
>                 J. Reid Anderson Professor of Physics and Astronomy,
>                 emeritus
>
>                 Denison University
>
>                 740-587-0687 H
>
>                 740-644-1238 M
>
>






Re: K3S parts availability???

Gerard <scanneg@...>
 

In addition I bought a K3/0 and remote eight kit.  Investing 12k US$ I wont do gain in Elecraft.  The K3S USB board is obviously is a bad design and should be replaced free of charge like any reputable manufacturer.  It failed with me within a few weeks and reverted to RS232.


On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:35 Gerard, <scanneg@...> wrote:
I think Elecraft are really cheeky what I would call abandoning their last product to profit on the next.  I think it is bordering on bullying and not business like to dismiss a recent previous product, like the K3s.
What a croc of shit!

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 16:53 KE1F Lou, <lmecseri@...> wrote:

I had my K3 fully upgraded and Elecraft returned the original board with my K3. Now I have my "spare parts" inventory.

My question is to find out which other boards should I have in my K3 inventory to round out my spare stock? Your suggestion would be appreciated. Elecraft?

73, Lou KE1F

PS: Components used to be available for 10 or more years because these components were used by several manufacturers in new and old products such as 0.01uF capacitor. Today we are talking about sub-assemblies, contain hundreds of components and used by 1 manufacturer. 

On 11/6/2020 10:29 AM, Michael Mickelson wrote:
It is heartening to see that Elecraft is researching what parts might be in demand for the K3 and K3S.  I purchased my K3,P3, KPA500 and KAT500  about 10 years ago.  It goes without saying it is the best radio I have ever had, not that I have any experience with some of the high end radios made by the big three.  I know that there is anxiety over the ability to continue to repair and replace vital parts for these Elecraft radios.  But I wonder how long Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, etc repair and provide spare parts for their legacy radios? It is not surprising that Elecraft has to decide to end support at some level.  I perhaps have one more radio upgrade in my future...maybe a K4. 

de Mike KD8DZ

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 9:30 AM Mark Morin <mark@...> wrote:
Fred, I agree with you that it’s disappointing from a company that enjoys such a stellar reputation for support to discontinue their flagship product without adequate parts in inventory to provide continued support for the product. 

I understand that building parts inventory for a discontinued product isn’t the most efficient way to run a business in the short term, but it’s the RIGHT way for long-term success and sustaining customer good will. 

I used to work for a large radio manufacturer whose policy it was to maintain a supply of spare parts fo a minimum of 10 years after the cancellation of a product. That usually meant a final production run for spare parts, which the accountants might have thought wasteful but more enlightened management saw as a vital long term investment.

this survey to see which parts have sufficient demand for a production run seems like a penny-punching approach. I had hoped for better when I chose Elecraft for my station equipment. 

Mark VA2MM 


--
Michael Mickelson
J. Reid Anderson Professor of Physics and Astronomy, emeritus
Denison University
740-587-0687 H
740-644-1238 M
 


Re: K3S parts availability???

Drew Vonada-Smith K3PA
 

Before we all go knee-jerk bashing, or knee-jerk defending, let's look at reality.

It is perfectly reasonable that Elecraft would not go on selling upgrades and add-ons for years for a product that is not current.  No other manufacturer of ham gear does that either.  It is perfectly reasonable that they stop making a radio in favor of a newer one.  That is how they make a living.  If you want to buy Elecraft products, you WANT them to make a profit.  Profit is not evil.

The real question is, what level of K3 support is available after production ceases?  Most would agree that there is some obligation to support repairs for some reasonable life time...maybe 5 or 10 years.  Of course, this does not include any component level parts that may go unavailable.  (Those issues happen much faster than most of you might think.)  But, it behooves Elecraft to purchase some reasonable stock of known difficult items to support this.  It's a compromise.  Companies have obsolescence meetings to work through these things all the time.

It is probably not reasonable to expect Elecraft to support upgrades past a "last call" announcement.  They made that announcement.  Buy what you want now, or accept that you chose not to.

Most manufacturers do not build and stock board level assemblies to support repairs of old units.  Component level service is generally required, and that for most means sending your radio to Elecraft.  Same for everyone else also.

I will be surprised if Elecraft does not support K3 component level repair, including firmware items, but I have no knowledge of this one way or the other.  Past history suggests that they are reasonable guys.

73,

Drew K3PA


Re: K3S parts availability???

Dave (NK7Z)
 

...and so another interesting thread dies before Elecraft has a moment to comment...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 11/6/20 9:01 AM, Mal wrote:
You’re right almost as bad as that miserable crook Biden
Mal
*From:* Elecraft-K3@groups.io <Elecraft-K3@groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerard
*Sent:* Friday, November 6, 2020 11:50 AM
*To:* Elecraft-K3@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S parts availability???
I'd dump the whole shit in the morning and go Yaesu.  Bloodsuckers.
On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:44 Gerard via groups.io <http://groups.io>, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io>> wrote:
I have a K3, a K3s, two P3s.  You think these cowboys shud be
allowed to walk away for support in light of profit.  Stinks like Trump!
On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:35 Gerard via groups.io <http://groups.io>,
<scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io>> wrote:
I think Elecraft are really cheeky what I would call abandoning
their last product to profit on the next.  I think it is
bordering on bullying and not business like to dismiss a recent
previous product, like the K3s.
What a croc of shit!
On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 16:53 KE1F Lou, <lmecseri@cfl.rr.com
<mailto:lmecseri@cfl.rr.com>> wrote:
I had my K3 fully upgraded and Elecraft returned the
original board with my K3. Now I have my "spare parts"
inventory.
My question is to find out which other boards should I have
in my K3 inventory to round out my spare stock? Your
suggestion would be appreciated. Elecraft?
73, Lou KE1F
PS: Components used to be available for 10 or more years
because these components were used by several manufacturers
in new and old products such as 0.01uF capacitor. Today we
are talking about sub-assemblies, contain hundreds of
components and used by 1 manufacturer.
On 11/6/2020 10:29 AM, Michael Mickelson wrote:
It is heartening to see that Elecraft is researching
what parts might be in demand for the K3 and K3S.  I
purchased my K3,P3, KPA500 and KAT500  about 10 years
ago.  It goes without saying it is the best radio I have
ever had, not that I have any experience with some of
the high end radios made by the big three.  I know that
there is anxiety over the ability to continue to repair
and replace vital parts for these Elecraft radios.  But
I wonder how long Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, etc repair and
provide spare parts for their legacy radios? It is not
surprising that Elecraft has to decide to end support at
some level.  I perhaps have one more radio upgrade in my
future...maybe a K4.
de Mike KD8DZ
On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 9:30 AM Mark Morin
<mark@partout.ca <mailto:mark@partout.ca>> wrote:
Fred, I agree with you that it’s disappointing from
a company that enjoys such a stellar reputation for
support to discontinue their flagship product
without adequate parts in inventory to provide
continued support for the product.
I understand that building parts inventory for a
discontinued product isn’t the most efficient way to
run a business in the short term, but it’s the RIGHT
way for long-term success and sustaining customer
good will.
I used to work for a large radio manufacturer whose
policy it was to maintain a supply of spare parts fo
a minimum of 10 years after the cancellation of a
product. That usually meant a final production run
for spare parts, which the accountants might have
thought wasteful but more enlightened management saw
as a vital long term investment.
this survey to see which parts have sufficient
demand for a production run seems like a
penny-punching approach. I had hoped for better when
I chose Elecraft for my station equipment.
Mark VA2MM
--
Michael Mickelson
J. Reid Anderson Professor of Physics and Astronomy,
emeritus
Denison University
740-587-0687 H
740-644-1238 M


Re: K3S parts availability???

Bill Mader
 

Yes, please go to the Yaesu lists and take your profanity with you.

For all, we don't need politics here.  Let's keep this list in accordance with the Radio Amateur's Code, something for ladies and gentlemen to follow.  Thanks!

73, Bill, K8TE


Re: K3S parts availability???

Mal
 

You’re right almost as bad as that miserable crook Biden

 

Mal

 

From: Elecraft-K3@groups.io <Elecraft-K3@groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerard
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 11:50 AM
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S parts availability???

 

I'd dump the whole shit in the morning and go Yaesu.  Bloodsuckers.

 

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:44 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I have a K3, a K3s, two P3s.  You think these cowboys shud be allowed to walk away for support in light of profit.  Stinks like Trump!

 

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 17:35 Gerard via groups.io, <scanneg=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I think Elecraft are really cheeky what I would call abandoning their last product to profit on the next.  I think it is bordering on bullying and not business like to dismiss a recent previous product, like the K3s.

What a croc of shit!

 

On Fri 6 Nov 2020, 16:53 KE1F Lou, <lmecseri@...> wrote:

I had my K3 fully upgraded and Elecraft returned the original board with my K3. Now I have my "spare parts" inventory.

My question is to find out which other boards should I have in my K3 inventory to round out my spare stock? Your suggestion would be appreciated. Elecraft?

73, Lou KE1F

PS: Components used to be available for 10 or more years because these components were used by several manufacturers in new and old products such as 0.01uF capacitor. Today we are talking about sub-assemblies, contain hundreds of components and used by 1 manufacturer. 

On 11/6/2020 10:29 AM, Michael Mickelson wrote:

It is heartening to see that Elecraft is researching what parts might be in demand for the K3 and K3S.  I purchased my K3,P3, KPA500 and KAT500  about 10 years ago.  It goes without saying it is the best radio I have ever had, not that I have any experience with some of the high end radios made by the big three.  I know that there is anxiety over the ability to continue to repair and replace vital parts for these Elecraft radios.  But I wonder how long Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, etc repair and provide spare parts for their legacy radios? It is not surprising that Elecraft has to decide to end support at some level.  I perhaps have one more radio upgrade in my future...maybe a K4. 

 

de Mike KD8DZ

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 9:30 AM Mark Morin <mark@...> wrote:

Fred, I agree with you that it’s disappointing from a company that enjoys such a stellar reputation for support to discontinue their flagship product without adequate parts in inventory to provide continued support for the product. 

I understand that building parts inventory for a discontinued product isn’t the most efficient way to run a business in the short term, but it’s the RIGHT way for long-term success and sustaining customer good will. 

I used to work for a large radio manufacturer whose policy it was to maintain a supply of spare parts fo a minimum of 10 years after the cancellation of a product. That usually meant a final production run for spare parts, which the accountants might have thought wasteful but more enlightened management saw as a vital long term investment.

this survey to see which parts have sufficient demand for a production run seems like a penny-punching approach. I had hoped for better when I chose Elecraft for my station equipment. 

Mark VA2MM 


 

--

Michael Mickelson

J. Reid Anderson Professor of Physics and Astronomy, emeritus

Denison University

740-587-0687 H

740-644-1238 M

 

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