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Re: K3s driving a KPA1500 - how much drive power is nominal for 1500 watts? #kpa1500

Adrian Fewster <vk4tux@...>
 

Jim, Can you clarify what you mean by 1500 watts input ?

I thought that 1500 watts was the output figure on the amp with that drive,

and that the input value would be much higher allowing for efficiency?


Or do you mean to the the antenna input ?


Adrian ,   vk4tux



On 4/2/20 5:42 am, Jim Denneny wrote:
About 25 - 30 watts for 1500 watts input.
Jim K7EG
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Re: K3s driving a KPA1500 - how much drive power is nominal for 1500 watts? #kpa1500

Jim Denneny
 

About 25 - 30 watts for 1500 watts input.
Jim K7EG


Re: New release of Win4K3Suite

Steve Black
 

Just curious, Why before the end of February? Will my laptop turn into a pumpkin? ;-)) Steve kb1chu


On 2/1/2020 11:07 AM, Tom Blahovici wrote:

Hello,

There is a new version of Win4K3Suite available, version 2.018. This release improves the entity lookup from ClubLog as well as other minor items.  You must download this before the end of February.

 Win4K3Suite is a full featured control program for the K3/S, KX3 and KX2.  It has a built in Panadapter that works with LPPAN and a sound card, as well as the SDRPlay RSP's. It supports the KAT500, KPA500/1500 and the KXPA100 on most of the above radios. 

 

A unique feature is that is has 6 built in Virtual Radios, each of which works just like an Elecraft radio.  This allows sharing of a single COM port with up to 6 applications.  It also has a built in HRDLogbook server and the EiBi Shortwave database.

You see more information here: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite

and download a fully functional 30 day trial at va2fsq.com

73 Tom

va2fsq.com


Re: K3s driving a KPA1500 - how much drive power is nominal for 1500 watts? #kpa1500

Clay Autery
 

Sounds friggin' awesome! 

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
(318) 518-1389
On 02/02/20 08:53, John Canfield wrote:

Hey guys,

Thursday the Brown Santa (UPS) delivered my birthday present for the next ten years - a KPA1500 amp. I'm slowly learning how to use it and I'm not sure if things are acting right. Going directly into a dummy from the amp, it only takes about 28 watts drive from the K3s for a full 1500 watts output. I can reduce the drive to five watts or lower and drop the amp's output to ~150-200 watts.

Does this sound correct? Thanks for any advice.

John, WB5THT


Re: K3s driving a KPA1500 - how much drive power is nominal for 1500 watts? #kpa1500

Christopher Scibelli
 

Good.  35 watts of drive from my K3 drives my Alpha 8410 to legal limit power.

Chris  NU1O


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Sherwood <rob@...>
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io <Elecraft-K3@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Feb 2, 2020 11:00 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3s driving a KPA1500 - how much drive power is nominal for 1500 watts? #KPA1500

Yes the K3 is cleanest around 35 watts.  No I never tested it at 30 watts vs. 35 watts, etc.  I doubt you could tell the difference. Rob, NC0B

 

From: Elecraft-K3@groups.io [mailto:Elecraft-K3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Fewster
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2020 8:03 AM
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3s driving a KPA1500 - how much drive power is nominal for 1500 watts? #KPA1500

 

I would expect it designed that way for best IMD results and cleanest signal quality.

The K3 specs would be best at that low wattage. I use to run mine at 15v under load  for best results.

Adrian ,   vk4tux

On 3/2/20 12:53 am, John Canfield wrote:

Hey guys,

Thursday the Brown Santa (UPS) delivered my birthday present for the next ten years - a KPA1500 amp. I'm slowly learning how to use it and I'm not sure if things are acting right. Going directly into a dummy from the amp, it only takes about 28 watts drive from the K3s for a full 1500 watts output. I can reduce the drive to five watts or lower and drop the amp's output to ~150-200 watts.

Does this sound correct? Thanks for any advice.

John, WB5THT


Re: K3s driving a KPA1500 - how much drive power is nominal for 1500 watts? #kpa1500

John Canfield
 

Thanks again guys and thanks Bob for the numbers. I wasn't making notes when tracking drive vs. output power - just a fairly gross report of what I was seeing. The entire reason for my question is my Acom 1000 amp (4CX800) would need about 55 watts drive to produce ~950 watts, I was very surprised the KPA1500 needed so little drive power.

That Acom 1000 was a very good amp and practically idiot proof which I needed with wire antennas, now I have a DB18E and a 75M inverted V dipole so we're always under 2:1. (The Acom was sold 45 minutes after I listed it on QRZ!)

73 de John WB5THT


Re: K3s driving a KPA1500 - how much drive power is nominal for 1500 watts? #kpa1500

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
 

In doing the math, 28 watts to 1500 watts is 17.3 dB gain, while 5 watts to 150 watts is 14.8 dB gain, and 5 watts to 200 watts is 16.0 dB gain.  The point is the amp appears to be operating normally with your numbers.    Ideally, the gain of a linear amplifier is constant up to the point of compression nearing maximum output.   To better understand this, more accurate numbers would be needed.   And it is not at all unusual for an amp to have different gain values on different bands. 

Simple calculations support your observations:

dB =10log(P1/P2)

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 2/2/2020 8:53 AM, John Canfield wrote:
Hey guys,

Thursday the Brown Santa (UPS) delivered my birthday present for the next ten years - a KPA1500 amp. I'm slowly learning how to use it and I'm not sure if things are acting right. Going directly into a dummy from the amp, it only takes about 28 watts drive from the K3s for a full 1500 watts output. I can reduce the drive to five watts or lower and drop the amp's output to ~150-200 watts.

Does this sound correct? Thanks for any advice.

John, WB5THT


Re: K3s driving a KPA1500 - how much drive power is nominal for 1500 watts? #kpa1500

Rob Sherwood
 

Yes the K3 is cleanest around 35 watts.  No I never tested it at 30 watts vs. 35 watts, etc.  I doubt you could tell the difference. Rob, NC0B

 

From: Elecraft-K3@groups.io [mailto:Elecraft-K3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Fewster
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2020 8:03 AM
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3s driving a KPA1500 - how much drive power is nominal for 1500 watts? #KPA1500

 

I would expect it designed that way for best IMD results and cleanest signal quality.

The K3 specs would be best at that low wattage. I use to run mine at 15v under load  for best results.

Adrian ,   vk4tux

On 3/2/20 12:53 am, John Canfield wrote:

Hey guys,

Thursday the Brown Santa (UPS) delivered my birthday present for the next ten years - a KPA1500 amp. I'm slowly learning how to use it and I'm not sure if things are acting right. Going directly into a dummy from the amp, it only takes about 28 watts drive from the K3s for a full 1500 watts output. I can reduce the drive to five watts or lower and drop the amp's output to ~150-200 watts.

Does this sound correct? Thanks for any advice.

John, WB5THT


Re: K3s driving a KPA1500 - how much drive power is nominal for 1500 watts? #kpa1500

John Canfield
 

Thanks Adrian!


Re: K3s driving a KPA1500 - how much drive power is nominal for 1500 watts? #kpa1500

Adrian Fewster <vk4tux@...>
 

I would expect it designed that way for best IMD results and cleanest signal quality.

The K3 specs would be best at that low wattage. I use to run mine at 15v under load  for best results.

Adrian ,   vk4tux

On 3/2/20 12:53 am, John Canfield wrote:
Hey guys,

Thursday the Brown Santa (UPS) delivered my birthday present for the next ten years - a KPA1500 amp. I'm slowly learning how to use it and I'm not sure if things are acting right. Going directly into a dummy from the amp, it only takes about 28 watts drive from the K3s for a full 1500 watts output. I can reduce the drive to five watts or lower and drop the amp's output to ~150-200 watts.

Does this sound correct? Thanks for any advice.

John, WB5THT


K3s driving a KPA1500 - how much drive power is nominal for 1500 watts? #kpa1500

John Canfield
 

Hey guys,

Thursday the Brown Santa (UPS) delivered my birthday present for the next ten years - a KPA1500 amp. I'm slowly learning how to use it and I'm not sure if things are acting right. Going directly into a dummy from the amp, it only takes about 28 watts drive from the K3s for a full 1500 watts output. I can reduce the drive to five watts or lower and drop the amp's output to ~150-200 watts.

Does this sound correct? Thanks for any advice.

John, WB5THT


New release of Win4K3Suite

Tom Blahovici
 

Hello,

There is a new version of Win4K3Suite available, version 2.018. This release improves the entity lookup from ClubLog as well as other minor items.  You must download this before the end of February.

 Win4K3Suite is a full featured control program for the K3/S, KX3 and KX2.  It has a built in Panadapter that works with LPPAN and a sound card, as well as the SDRPlay RSP's. It supports the KAT500, KPA500/1500 and the KXPA100 on most of the above radios. 

 

A unique feature is that is has 6 built in Virtual Radios, each of which works just like an Elecraft radio.  This allows sharing of a single COM port with up to 6 applications.  It also has a built in HRDLogbook server and the EiBi Shortwave database.

You see more information here: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite

and download a fully functional 30 day trial at va2fsq.com

73 Tom

va2fsq.com


Re: K3/10 For Sale

Bob Marchese
 


 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3/10 For Sale

I have one similar to that. Shame that's all it's worth. I remember when it would have been a lot more. 73

Mike R

7!
Absolutely Awesome 

On Sep 17, 2019, at 6:35 PM, Ed Pflueger <ab4iq@...> wrote:

I recently acquired a K3/10 Serial# 7928.  The rig has the sub receiver with only the 2.7 filter in it.  The main receiver has the 2.7, 500, and 250 hz. filters.  The synthesizers are of the earlier version.  The main tuning knob might be a CNC Machined one, but I’m not sure.  It had some minor scratches on the top lid and missing the rubber feet on the side panel and I did replace them with new ones from Elecraft.  I also added the latest firmware, checked the IF out with my P3 and connected it to my KPA 500 and all works.  I also checked the filters for gain etc. and all is configured properly.

It does not have a Microphone, manuals or original box.  I’ll ship it to the 48 states insured for $1100.  I have too many rigs and would like to find this one a good owner especially since it has the second receiver.

Ed Pflueger AB4IQ

Paducah, KY

270-331-4331


Re: K3/10 For Sale

Bob Marchese
 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 6:35 PM
Subject: [Elecraft-K3] K3/10 For Sale

I recently acquired a K3/10 Serial# 7928.  The rig has the sub receiver with only the 2.7 filter in it.  The main receiver has the 2.7, 500, and 250 hz. filters.  The synthesizers are of the earlier version.  The main tuning knob might be a CNC Machined one, but I’m not sure.  It had some minor scratches on the top lid and missing the rubber feet on the side panel and I did replace them with new ones from Elecraft.  I also added the latest firmware, checked the IF out with my P3 and connected it to my KPA 500 and all works.  I also checked the filters for gain etc. and all is configured properly.

 

It does not have a Microphone, manuals or original box.  I’ll ship it to the 48 states insured for $1100.  I have too many rigs and would like to find this one a good owner especially since it has the second receiver.

 

Ed Pflueger AB4IQ

Paducah, KY

270-331-4331


Re: Ethernet A/B switch for P3 TX monitoring

Ray
 

Referring to the sensors?
Ray
W8LYJ


Re: Ethernet A/B switch for P3 TX monitoring

Peter Hardy <peter@...>
 

I asked Eric WA6HHQ when he visited the UK Hamfest if existing users of the TX monitoring system would be able to integrate it into the K4?  He said that they would probably make an interface at some stage.  I certainly would like to use my exiting monitor with the K4.

73

Peter   G3VNH


Re: New to the KPA/KAT-500

Bob Wilson, N6TV
 

Thanks John.

FYI, I plan to ship yours tomorrow.

73,
Bob, N6TV


On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 5:43 AM John Canfield <bucket@...> wrote:
I just bought a KPA1500 (yippee!) and was concerned about getting my Green Heron RT-21 rotator controller, the SteppIR SDA 2000 optimizer, the KPA1500 amp connected to my K3s, my Kenwood TS-590s and the PC. Bob Wilson, N6TV sells an "Y Box" and an "S Box" to interconnect station equipment. I gave him my requirements and he designed my specific connectivity for his Serial Box complete with a schematic, what kind of cable and even how to option the equipment. Apparently he builds some to order since he won't ship mine for a month.

John - WB5THT


Re: Ethernet A/B switch for P3 TX monitoring

Mike VE3YF
 

I bought one of those push button 2 position switches from Amazon years ago and has worked perfectly. I just switch which sensor I want to use prior to turning on that radio.

Not sure if we will have that capability to use the TX Monitoring etc with the K4, might have a sensor that will become available.

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Re: New to the KPA/KAT-500

Steve
 

Where to start.  One tip.  As the SteppIr is a resonant antenna, if you have it connected to one of the KAT500 ports, make sure that port is in bypass mode.  You don't need the tuner to tune a perfectly resonant antenna.  Sounds like a dynamite station.
WM6P


Re: Bluetooth adapter for ham use

Charlie T, k3ICH
 

Thanks to all for the input on my Bluetooth/hearing aid question.

Here's my results so far.

#1, For you Costco/Kirkland HA owners, I have not tried it with the radio yet, but

their "TV Connector" (??model #) interface works perfectly with the TV, easily

linking to my current Series 9 BTE style HA's.

Linking is the main question but since the device has both a TRS jack AND TOS-link

input, it should work fine with any radio's headphone output.

As soon as the TV is switched on, the TV sound comes through almost instantly.

The range is only about 20 feet, which is fine for me. The audio from the TV is fed

through a TOS-link splitter with the other output driving a surround sound processor.

There is a barely perceptible latency delay that is only noticeable if I hear both

the direct TV speaker output AND my HA's. The sound has an "echo" characteristic, but

if the speaker level is set for others in the room, then the HA audio is louder

which effectively eliminates the echo. This would obviously NOT be a problem

for ham use.

 

#2, I have tried a few other brand "TV adapters" ranging in price for $5 to $70,

and as yet, have been unsuccessful in getting them to link to my HA's.  As a further

experiment, I am going to buy a pair of cheap Bluetooth enabled headphones, to see if

my Kirkland HA's have some proprietary interface which is preventing the normal BT

link from occurring.

 

I'll report more as further experiments are performed.

 

73, Charlie k3ICH