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Re: K3S to be discontinued

Mark Morin
 

My experience is that the type of rig does make a difference for close coexistence. We’ve found on DxPeditions that an upgraded K3 with KPA500 and a Kenwood TS-590s also with KPA500, can coexist quite well with antennas about 300 ft apart. On most bands, we can operate SSB and CW simultaneously with tolerable QRM. Other times we have tried different high-end rigs in similar setup and found that opposite end of same-band operation was nearly impossible due to QRM. I suspect it’s mostly the receivers that makes the difference. 

Mark VA2MM


Re: K3S to be discontinued

Dave Cole
 

You might want to consider the synths... See:

https://www.nk7z.net/k3/

for some photos from a P3 of just how much better the new synth is compared to the old one...

I had a ham who lived almost next door. I was able to document his signal as I upgraded to a set of new synths, as he upgraded from Collins to Elecraft, and as he upgraded to new synths...

Interesting set of Spectrum Analyses charts...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 11/2/19 6:00 PM, Mel Marcus wrote:
Merv
You are correct. I upgraded everything except the two synthesizers and it did cost me 1200. I did the suggested updates pluse the k3iob
Mel
NE9A
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
From: "Merv Schweigert" <merv.k9fd@...
<mailto:merv.k9fd@...>>
Date: Sat, November 02, 2019 7:18 pm
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K3@groups.io>
If you have had none of the updates done since #2340,  kiss more
than 1000 bucks good bye.
Lots of boards and updates to be done if you want it close to a K3S.
Merv K9FD

I have a K3, Serial # is about 2340, and it needs to be repaired. I'm getting the "12V Error" which Elecraft told me is due to not
having gold contacts in the PA section of the rig. I can only get
12 watts of output, but for about a year this was intermittent. Now, RF power never reverts to the nominal 100 watts. It's always
12 watts.

I think they also said some of the front panel buttons needed to
be replaced with gold panel contacts as well, but this
conversation was over 6 months ago and things were delayed due to
medical issues.

I was told I'd be responsible for about 2 hours of lab time which
I can afford.  However, I, too, was going to have upgrades done so
my K3 is as close to a K3S as possible.

What mods did you have done to your K3 and what was the total
bill?  I have a fully loaded K3 aside from the 2nd receiver.  5
INRAD filters, the ATU, voice recorder, general coverage receiver,
and all other options aside from the 2nd receiver which from my 10
years with the rig is something I've decided I can do without.

I do need this repaired so I feel I may as well have some K3S mods
done while Elecraft has my rig.

Very 73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: K3S to be discontinued

Christopher Scibelli
 

If they are mandatory I have no problem with them being done, but when I spoke to the Elecraft guy and told him about the "12V Error" he just gave me an RA and said the rig needed gold contacts.  He didn't say any other mods needed to be done or they couldn't fix the rig.

I'll be calling for a new RA Monday so if more is needed I'll find out.

Thanks and 73,

Chris  NU1O



-----Original Message-----
From: Mel Marcus <melm@...>
To: Elecraft-K3 <Elecraft-K3@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2019 12:19 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued

Chris

Sitting here listening to the SS contest.  I love it. I like the ease of operation and the capability of the filters. I think my serial number is 1138. I think this unit is going to keep me happy for a long time.  There are some mandatory upgrades and if you are not willing to do them, then they probably are not going to fix your radio.

Mel
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
From: "Christopher Scibelli via Groups.Io" <nu1oscar@...>
Date: Sat, November 02, 2019 9:05 pm
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io

Do you feel it was worth the cost?

Chris


-----Original Message-----
From: Mel Marcus <melm@...>
To: Elecraft-K3 <Elecraft-K3@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2019 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued

Merv

You are correct. I upgraded everything except the two synthesizers and it did cost me 1200. I did the suggested updates pluse the k3iob

Mel
NE9A
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
From: "Merv Schweigert" <merv.k9fd@...>
Date: Sat, November 02, 2019 7:18 pm
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io

If you have had none of the updates done since #2340,  kiss more than 1000 bucks good bye.
Lots of boards and updates to be done if you want it close to a K3S.
Merv K9FD

I have a K3, Serial # is about 2340, and it needs to be repaired.  I'm getting the "12V Error" which Elecraft told me is due to not having gold contacts in the PA section of the rig. I can only get 12 watts of output, but for about a year this was intermittent.  Now, RF power never reverts to the nominal 100 watts. It's always 12 watts.

I think they also said some of the front panel buttons needed to be replaced with gold panel contacts as well, but this conversation was over 6 months ago and things were delayed due to medical issues.

I was told I'd be responsible for about 2 hours of lab time which I can afford.  However, I, too, was going to have upgrades done so my K3 is as close to a K3S as possible.

What mods did you have done to your K3 and what was the total bill?  I have a fully loaded K3 aside from the 2nd receiver.  5 INRAD filters, the ATU, voice recorder, general coverage receiver, and all other options aside from the 2nd receiver which from my 10 years with the rig is something I've decided I can do without.

I do need this repaired so I feel I may as well have some K3S mods done while Elecraft has my rig.  

Very 73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: K3S to be discontinued

Mel Marcus
 

Chris

Sitting here listening to the SS contest.  I love it. I like the ease of operation and the capability of the filters. I think my serial number is 1138. I think this unit is going to keep me happy for a long time.  There are some mandatory upgrades and if you are not willing to do them, then they probably are not going to fix your radio.

Mel

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
From: "Christopher Scibelli via Groups.Io" <nu1oscar@...>
Date: Sat, November 02, 2019 9:05 pm
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io

Do you feel it was worth the cost?

Chris


-----Original Message-----
From: Mel Marcus <melm@...>
To: Elecraft-K3 <Elecraft-K3@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2019 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued

Merv

You are correct. I upgraded everything except the two synthesizers and it did cost me 1200. I did the suggested updates pluse the k3iob

Mel
NE9A
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
From: "Merv Schweigert" <merv.k9fd@...>
Date: Sat, November 02, 2019 7:18 pm
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io

If you have had none of the updates done since #2340,  kiss more than 1000 bucks good bye.
Lots of boards and updates to be done if you want it close to a K3S.
Merv K9FD

I have a K3, Serial # is about 2340, and it needs to be repaired.  I'm getting the "12V Error" which Elecraft told me is due to not having gold contacts in the PA section of the rig. I can only get 12 watts of output, but for about a year this was intermittent.  Now, RF power never reverts to the nominal 100 watts. It's always 12 watts.

I think they also said some of the front panel buttons needed to be replaced with gold panel contacts as well, but this conversation was over 6 months ago and things were delayed due to medical issues.

I was told I'd be responsible for about 2 hours of lab time which I can afford.  However, I, too, was going to have upgrades done so my K3 is as close to a K3S as possible.

What mods did you have done to your K3 and what was the total bill?  I have a fully loaded K3 aside from the 2nd receiver.  5 INRAD filters, the ATU, voice recorder, general coverage receiver, and all other options aside from the 2nd receiver which from my 10 years with the rig is something I've decided I can do without.

I do need this repaired so I feel I may as well have some K3S mods done while Elecraft has my rig.  

Very 73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: K3S to be discontinued

Christopher Scibelli
 

Bob,

When two stations running beams and amplifiers are less than 1/10th of a mile apart there is going to be interference.  It's that simple.

I own an LP-700 station monitor and was on the waiting list for what seemed like an eternity.  Whenever I run my Alpha I put the station monitor in trapezoid mode to help ensure the amp. is operating linearly.  I can't think of another ham in our area that even owns one.  At over $1,000 that's not surprising.

The rumbler has been licensed longer than I have.  I would think that by now he'd understand that just because he spent over $3,000 for a transceiver it wouldn't change our situation. Since we're in the Elecraft forum we all know $3,000 is not even close to top dollar for a ham radio, but had he spent $10,000 it wouldn't have made a difference, either.

I think it's best that I just avoid interacting with my ham neighbor.  Telling him that he may be operating his transceiver improperly, or that we are simply too close in proximity, will probably not be taken the right way. 

Chris  NU1O


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw@...>
To: Elecraft-K3 <Elecraft-K3@groups.io>ent: Sat, Nov 2, 2019 10:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued

Any selectivity on your behalf to keep from getting rumblings you are QRMing him is most likely due to his receiver.  Or perhaps he is not correctly using the features of his receiver.   Good chances your signal is simply overloading the receiver front end and causing IMD.   Perhaps you need to share with him my writing regarding Obtaining Optimum Receiver Performance. 

As to the Alpha 8410, I would be sure it is operated in its very linear range, thus make sure tuning and loading is absolutely correct as any slight mis-adjustment can cause IMD issues.   And make sure the drive applied is such that the PEP output does not exceed 1500 watts. 

Again, I view the neighbors problem with QRM from your station is  the TS-890 is related to the receiver.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 11/2/2019 9:02 PM, Christopher Scibelli via Groups.Io wrote:
Do you not notice a difference on receive between the K3 and K3S, or simply feel the difference isn't worth the money?

I ask the question because I have two hams who are very close to me.  The one on the next street over is within a 7 iron shot, but he doesn't have a beam and he mostly stays on 80 meters with a small amp., whereas I hardly use 80 meters.  The ham two streets over has a small beam on a roof tower, a KPA500 and a Kenwood TS-890.  During the 10 meter contest I usually have to get about 50 khz away from him, but I'm getting rumblings that I may be QRMing him on the whole band.  We aren't close friends so we rarely speak and he's not very active.  I use an Alpha 8410, and a 10 Element tribander atop a 55 foot US Tower.  

I was hoping for some more selectivity but if it's just a dB or two, I would just keep the rig as a K3.

Thanks and 73,

NU1O



-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Stewart via Groups.Io <n7ws@...>
To: Elecraft-K3 <Elecraft-K3@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2019 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued

I would pop the HPA in and out a few times, maybe with some contact cleaner and maybe do the same with the front panel, although I'm not sure about this.  You have the ATU so this might not apply, but I don't and have found that the ground return to the output connector is via a standoff and screw and is really iffy.  I added a solder lug and a jumper wire to fix that intermittent.

Otherwise, I wouldn't spend the bucks for any upgrade unless you are a 6 or 10-meter op and need the preamp.  I say all of this as the owner of both a K3 and a K3S.

Wes  N7WS

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 04:41 PM, Christopher Scibelli wrote:
I have a K3, Serial # is about 2340, and it needs to be repaired.  I'm getting the "12V Error" which Elecraft told me is due to not having gold contacts in the PA section of the rig. I can only get 12 watts of output, but for about a year this was intermittent.  Now, RF power never reverts to the nominal 100 watts. It's always 12 watts.

I think they also said some of the front panel buttons needed to be replaced with gold panel contacts as well, but this conversation was over 6 months ago and things were delayed due to medical issues.

I was told I'd be responsible for about 2 hours of lab time which I can afford.  However, I, too, was going to have upgrades done so my K3 is as close to a K3S as possible.

What mods did you have done to your K3 and what was the total bill?  I have a fully loaded K3 aside from the 2nd receiver.  5 INRAD filters, the ATU, voice recorder, general coverage receiver, and all other options aside from the 2nd receiver which from my 10 years with the rig is something I've decided I can do without.

I do need this repaired so I feel I may as well have some K3S mods done while Elecraft has my rig.  

Very 73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: K3S to be discontinued

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
 

In general, with me having repaired many brands and models of radios over the years {was a business}, I find any radio over 10 years old is likely in need of internal connector or contact cleaning.   I use a good brand of contact cleaner applied to a Q-Tip swab and scrub each of the male pins on each cable or board.   Then exercise the connection several times.   With contact cleaner, MORE IS NOT BETTER but less is best.

NEVER NEVER spray anything into a radio.  You'll be sorry as you can't control where it ends up. 

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 11/2/2019 9:53 PM, Christopher Scibelli via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm now in the shack and see my SN is #2341.  I'm pretty sure this was bought in late 2008 but I got busy with a work project and the kit wasn't finished until  2010.

The tech said it needed gold contacts so I'm sending it in whether I add K3S mods or not. I'd like the 12V out to be increased to an Amp. versus 500mA, and I have some other changes which I'd prefer they do. Deoxit may get me back to 100W but the problem will likely reoccur until those contacts are changed to gold contacts.

Thanks for chiming in, Grant!

Chris

-Original Message-----
From: GRANT YOUNGMAN <ghyoungman@...>
To: Elecraft-K3 <Elecraft-K3@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2019 10:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued

I bought my K3 in late 2007 (ser 2091). Over the years I put every factory-recommended hardware mod and every new updated board in it — DSP, synthesizers, KIO3B, VLF updates, etc.  IMO, it was worth the price.  Better audio, reduced phase noise, VLF coverage, etc.

None of these mods impact “selectivity” directly.  All of them made the K3 a better radio.  Even doing the majority of these updates myself, it was still somewhat expensive when a board needed to be replaced.  Still worth it.  Never looked back.

I know a lot of folks will tell you to just spritz some DeOxit or something on the FB board and KPA3 pins, but long term you’re better off with the gold pin updates.  And better off with all of the updates  applicable to your serial number if you plan to keep the radio.  The original K3 was a very good radio.  An updated K3 is a better radio.

Grant NQ5T


> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Christopher Scibelli via Groups.Io <nu1oscar=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Do you not notice a difference on receive between the K3 and K3S, or simply feel the difference isn't worth the money?
>
> I ask the question because I have two hams who are very close to me.  The one on the next street over is within a 7 iron shot, but he doesn't have a beam and he mostly stays on 80 meters with a small amp., whereas I hardly use 80 meters.  The ham two streets over has a small beam on a roof tower, a KPA500 and a Kenwood TS-890.  During the 10 meter contest I usually have to get about 50 khz away from him, but I'm getting rumblings that I may be QRMing him on the whole band.  We aren't close friends so we rarely speak and he's not very active.  I use an Alpha 8410, and a 10 Element tribander atop a 55 foot US Tower.
>
> I was hoping for some more selectivity but if it's just a dB or two, I would just keep the rig as a K3.
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> NU1O
>
>
>




Re: K3S to be discontinued

Charlie T, k3ICH
 

This is very true.  You CANNOT make a K3 into a K3S completely regardless of what upgrades/extras etc. you add.

Yes, you can get very close to the performance, but there’s a number of things that are unique to the K3S.

Some simple research will reveal them as I don’t have the time to look them all up.

 

Beware people advertising a K3S as actually an upgraded K3….simply put, it ain’t.

 

73, Charlie k3ICH

 

 

 

 

From: Elecraft-K3@groups.io <Elecraft-K3@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob McGraw - K4TAX
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2019 8:49 PM
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued

 

A K3 can be updated almost to a K3S but it will always be a K3.  The genuine K3S is only available as purchased from Elecraft. 

Bob, K4TAX

 

 


On Nov 2, 2019, at 7:44 PM, Christopher Scibelli via Groups.Io <nu1oscar@...> wrote:

I bought my K3 in kit form.  I think the cost was about $3,200.  About 5 years later I added the P3 which I saw no point in building so no savings from a kit.  If I can bring this up to a K3S for a G-note I don't think that's unreasonable.  I did make about 60,000 Qs while I've had the K3 and I made Honor Roll so adding $1,000 after a decade of very heavy use isn't unreasonable in my humble opinion.  Hopefully, I get another decade of use from the rig.  If it lasts that long it probably will be time to buy a new State of the Art rig. Plus, I rather put the money into more antennas.


I'll call Elecraft on Monday to get a new RA (I can't find mine any longer and it may have expired after 6 months) and see what options I need to have installed to bring this up to as close to a new K3S as possible.  I love the rig and see no point in buying a K4.  BTW, I hit the big 60 in August.

Harry, K7ZOV, if I weren't having all these mods done I'd try Deoxit and the like.  Thanks for the tip!

73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: K3S to be discontinued

Alan Komenski
 

I had all the upgrades done on both of my K3 Rigs (SNs 1576 and 4373) . It was expensive,  but I feel worth the cost.  Sure it’s being discontinues, but the K3 is a great radio and worth keeping.  I also have an IC-7610, but like many of the features on the K3 rigs better.

 

Alan – AC2K

Tucson, AZ


Re: K3S to be discontinued

Christopher Scibelli
 

I'm now in the shack and see my SN is #2341.  I'm pretty sure this was bought in late 2008 but I got busy with a work project and the kit wasn't finished until  2010.

The tech said it needed gold contacts so I'm sending it in whether I add K3S mods or not. I'd like the 12V out to be increased to an Amp. versus 500mA, and I have some other changes which I'd prefer they do. Deoxit may get me back to 100W but the problem will likely reoccur until those contacts are changed to gold contacts.

Thanks for chiming in, Grant!

Chris


-Original Message-----
From: GRANT YOUNGMAN <ghyoungman@...>
To: Elecraft-K3 <Elecraft-K3@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2019 10:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued

I bought my K3 in late 2007 (ser 2091). Over the years I put every factory-recommended hardware mod and every new updated board in it — DSP, synthesizers, KIO3B, VLF updates, etc.  IMO, it was worth the price.  Better audio, reduced phase noise, VLF coverage, etc.

None of these mods impact “selectivity” directly.  All of them made the K3 a better radio.  Even doing the majority of these updates myself, it was still somewhat expensive when a board needed to be replaced.  Still worth it.  Never looked back.

I know a lot of folks will tell you to just spritz some DeOxit or something on the FB board and KPA3 pins, but long term you’re better off with the gold pin updates.  And better off with all of the updates  applicable to your serial number if you plan to keep the radio.  The original K3 was a very good radio.  An updated K3 is a better radio.

Grant NQ5T


> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Christopher Scibelli via Groups.Io <nu1oscar=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Do you not notice a difference on receive between the K3 and K3S, or simply feel the difference isn't worth the money?
>
> I ask the question because I have two hams who are very close to me.  The one on the next street over is within a 7 iron shot, but he doesn't have a beam and he mostly stays on 80 meters with a small amp., whereas I hardly use 80 meters.  The ham two streets over has a small beam on a roof tower, a KPA500 and a Kenwood TS-890.  During the 10 meter contest I usually have to get about 50 khz away from him, but I'm getting rumblings that I may be QRMing him on the whole band.  We aren't close friends so we rarely speak and he's not very active.  I use an Alpha 8410, and a 10 Element tribander atop a 55 foot US Tower.
>
> I was hoping for some more selectivity but if it's just a dB or two, I would just keep the rig as a K3.
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> NU1O
>
>
>




Re: K3S to be discontinued

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
 

Any selectivity on your behalf to keep from getting rumblings you are QRMing him is most likely due to his receiver.  Or perhaps he is not correctly using the features of his receiver.   Good chances your signal is simply overloading the receiver front end and causing IMD.   Perhaps you need to share with him my writing regarding Obtaining Optimum Receiver Performance. 

As to the Alpha 8410, I would be sure it is operated in its very linear range, thus make sure tuning and loading is absolutely correct as any slight mis-adjustment can cause IMD issues.   And make sure the drive applied is such that the PEP output does not exceed 1500 watts. 

Again, I view the neighbors problem with QRM from your station is  the TS-890 is related to the receiver.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 11/2/2019 9:02 PM, Christopher Scibelli via Groups.Io wrote:
Do you not notice a difference on receive between the K3 and K3S, or simply feel the difference isn't worth the money?

I ask the question because I have two hams who are very close to me.  The one on the next street over is within a 7 iron shot, but he doesn't have a beam and he mostly stays on 80 meters with a small amp., whereas I hardly use 80 meters.  The ham two streets over has a small beam on a roof tower, a KPA500 and a Kenwood TS-890.  During the 10 meter contest I usually have to get about 50 khz away from him, but I'm getting rumblings that I may be QRMing him on the whole band.  We aren't close friends so we rarely speak and he's not very active.  I use an Alpha 8410, and a 10 Element tribander atop a 55 foot US Tower.  

I was hoping for some more selectivity but if it's just a dB or two, I would just keep the rig as a K3.

Thanks and 73,

NU1O



-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Stewart via Groups.Io <n7ws@...>
To: Elecraft-K3 <Elecraft-K3@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2019 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued

I would pop the HPA in and out a few times, maybe with some contact cleaner and maybe do the same with the front panel, although I'm not sure about this.  You have the ATU so this might not apply, but I don't and have found that the ground return to the output connector is via a standoff and screw and is really iffy.  I added a solder lug and a jumper wire to fix that intermittent.

Otherwise, I wouldn't spend the bucks for any upgrade unless you are a 6 or 10-meter op and need the preamp.  I say all of this as the owner of both a K3 and a K3S.

Wes  N7WS

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 04:41 PM, Christopher Scibelli wrote:
I have a K3, Serial # is about 2340, and it needs to be repaired.  I'm getting the "12V Error" which Elecraft told me is due to not having gold contacts in the PA section of the rig. I can only get 12 watts of output, but for about a year this was intermittent.  Now, RF power never reverts to the nominal 100 watts. It's always 12 watts.

I think they also said some of the front panel buttons needed to be replaced with gold panel contacts as well, but this conversation was over 6 months ago and things were delayed due to medical issues.

I was told I'd be responsible for about 2 hours of lab time which I can afford.  However, I, too, was going to have upgrades done so my K3 is as close to a K3S as possible.

What mods did you have done to your K3 and what was the total bill?  I have a fully loaded K3 aside from the 2nd receiver.  5 INRAD filters, the ATU, voice recorder, general coverage receiver, and all other options aside from the 2nd receiver which from my 10 years with the rig is something I've decided I can do without.

I do need this repaired so I feel I may as well have some K3S mods done while Elecraft has my rig.  

Very 73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: K3S to be discontinued

GRANT YOUNGMAN <ghyoungman@...>
 

I bought my K3 in late 2007 (ser 2091). Over the years I put every factory-recommended hardware mod and every new updated board in it — DSP, synthesizers, KIO3B, VLF updates, etc. IMO, it was worth the price. Better audio, reduced phase noise, VLF coverage, etc.

None of these mods impact “selectivity” directly. All of them made the K3 a better radio. Even doing the majority of these updates myself, it was still somewhat expensive when a board needed to be replaced. Still worth it. Never looked back.

I know a lot of folks will tell you to just spritz some DeOxit or something on the FB board and KPA3 pins, but long term you’re better off with the gold pin updates. And better off with all of the updates applicable to your serial number if you plan to keep the radio. The original K3 was a very good radio. An updated K3 is a better radio.

Grant NQ5T

On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Christopher Scibelli via Groups.Io <nu1oscar=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Do you not notice a difference on receive between the K3 and K3S, or simply feel the difference isn't worth the money?

I ask the question because I have two hams who are very close to me. The one on the next street over is within a 7 iron shot, but he doesn't have a beam and he mostly stays on 80 meters with a small amp., whereas I hardly use 80 meters. The ham two streets over has a small beam on a roof tower, a KPA500 and a Kenwood TS-890. During the 10 meter contest I usually have to get about 50 khz away from him, but I'm getting rumblings that I may be QRMing him on the whole band. We aren't close friends so we rarely speak and he's not very active. I use an Alpha 8410, and a 10 Element tribander atop a 55 foot US Tower.

I was hoping for some more selectivity but if it's just a dB or two, I would just keep the rig as a K3.

Thanks and 73,

NU1O



Re: K3S to be discontinued

Christopher Scibelli
 

Do you feel it was worth the cost?

Chris


-----Original Message-----
From: Mel Marcus <melm@...>
To: Elecraft-K3 <Elecraft-K3@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2019 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued

Merv

You are correct. I upgraded everything except the two synthesizers and it did cost me 1200. I did the suggested updates pluse the k3iob

Mel
NE9A
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
From: "Merv Schweigert" <merv.k9fd@...>
Date: Sat, November 02, 2019 7:18 pm
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io

If you have had none of the updates done since #2340,  kiss more than 1000 bucks good bye.
Lots of boards and updates to be done if you want it close to a K3S.
Merv K9FD

I have a K3, Serial # is about 2340, and it needs to be repaired.  I'm getting the "12V Error" which Elecraft told me is due to not having gold contacts in the PA section of the rig. I can only get 12 watts of output, but for about a year this was intermittent.  Now, RF power never reverts to the nominal 100 watts. It's always 12 watts.

I think they also said some of the front panel buttons needed to be replaced with gold panel contacts as well, but this conversation was over 6 months ago and things were delayed due to medical issues.

I was told I'd be responsible for about 2 hours of lab time which I can afford.  However, I, too, was going to have upgrades done so my K3 is as close to a K3S as possible.

What mods did you have done to your K3 and what was the total bill?  I have a fully loaded K3 aside from the 2nd receiver.  5 INRAD filters, the ATU, voice recorder, general coverage receiver, and all other options aside from the 2nd receiver which from my 10 years with the rig is something I've decided I can do without.

I do need this repaired so I feel I may as well have some K3S mods done while Elecraft has my rig.  

Very 73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: K3S to be discontinued

Christopher Scibelli
 

Do you not notice a difference on receive between the K3 and K3S, or simply feel the difference isn't worth the money?

I ask the question because I have two hams who are very close to me.  The one on the next street over is within a 7 iron shot, but he doesn't have a beam and he mostly stays on 80 meters with a small amp., whereas I hardly use 80 meters.  The ham two streets over has a small beam on a roof tower, a KPA500 and a Kenwood TS-890.  During the 10 meter contest I usually have to get about 50 khz away from him, but I'm getting rumblings that I may be QRMing him on the whole band.  We aren't close friends so we rarely speak and he's not very active.  I use an Alpha 8410, and a 10 Element tribander atop a 55 foot US Tower.  

I was hoping for some more selectivity but if it's just a dB or two, I would just keep the rig as a K3.

Thanks and 73,

NU1O



-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Stewart via Groups.Io <n7ws@...>
To: Elecraft-K3 <Elecraft-K3@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2019 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued

I would pop the HPA in and out a few times, maybe with some contact cleaner and maybe do the same with the front panel, although I'm not sure about this.  You have the ATU so this might not apply, but I don't and have found that the ground return to the output connector is via a standoff and screw and is really iffy.  I added a solder lug and a jumper wire to fix that intermittent.

Otherwise, I wouldn't spend the bucks for any upgrade unless you are a 6 or 10-meter op and need the preamp.  I say all of this as the owner of both a K3 and a K3S.

Wes  N7WS

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 04:41 PM, Christopher Scibelli wrote:
I have a K3, Serial # is about 2340, and it needs to be repaired.  I'm getting the "12V Error" which Elecraft told me is due to not having gold contacts in the PA section of the rig. I can only get 12 watts of output, but for about a year this was intermittent.  Now, RF power never reverts to the nominal 100 watts. It's always 12 watts.

I think they also said some of the front panel buttons needed to be replaced with gold panel contacts as well, but this conversation was over 6 months ago and things were delayed due to medical issues.

I was told I'd be responsible for about 2 hours of lab time which I can afford.  However, I, too, was going to have upgrades done so my K3 is as close to a K3S as possible.

What mods did you have done to your K3 and what was the total bill?  I have a fully loaded K3 aside from the 2nd receiver.  5 INRAD filters, the ATU, voice recorder, general coverage receiver, and all other options aside from the 2nd receiver which from my 10 years with the rig is something I've decided I can do without.

I do need this repaired so I feel I may as well have some K3S mods done while Elecraft has my rig.  

Very 73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: K3S to be discontinued

Mel Marcus
 

Merv

You are correct. I upgraded everything except the two synthesizers and it did cost me 1200. I did the suggested updates pluse the k3iob

Mel
NE9A

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
From: "Merv Schweigert" <merv.k9fd@...>
Date: Sat, November 02, 2019 7:18 pm
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io

If you have had none of the updates done since #2340,  kiss more than 1000 bucks good bye.
Lots of boards and updates to be done if you want it close to a K3S.
Merv K9FD

I have a K3, Serial # is about 2340, and it needs to be repaired.  I'm getting the "12V Error" which Elecraft told me is due to not having gold contacts in the PA section of the rig. I can only get 12 watts of output, but for about a year this was intermittent.  Now, RF power never reverts to the nominal 100 watts. It's always 12 watts.

I think they also said some of the front panel buttons needed to be replaced with gold panel contacts as well, but this conversation was over 6 months ago and things were delayed due to medical issues.

I was told I'd be responsible for about 2 hours of lab time which I can afford.  However, I, too, was going to have upgrades done so my K3 is as close to a K3S as possible.

What mods did you have done to your K3 and what was the total bill?  I have a fully loaded K3 aside from the 2nd receiver.  5 INRAD filters, the ATU, voice recorder, general coverage receiver, and all other options aside from the 2nd receiver which from my 10 years with the rig is something I've decided I can do without.

I do need this repaired so I feel I may as well have some K3S mods done while Elecraft has my rig.  

Very 73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: K3S to be discontinued

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
 

A K3 can be updated almost to a K3S but it will always be a K3.  The genuine K3S is only available as purchased from Elecraft. 

Bob, K4TAX



On Nov 2, 2019, at 7:44 PM, Christopher Scibelli via Groups.Io <nu1oscar@...> wrote:

I bought my K3 in kit form.  I think the cost was about $3,200.  About 5 years later I added the P3 which I saw no point in building so no savings from a kit.  If I can bring this up to a K3S for a G-note I don't think that's unreasonable.  I did make about 60,000 Qs while I've had the K3 and I made Honor Roll so adding $1,000 after a decade of very heavy use isn't unreasonable in my humble opinion.  Hopefully, I get another decade of use from the rig.  If it lasts that long it probably will be time to buy a new State of the Art rig. Plus, I rather put the money into more antennas.


I'll call Elecraft on Monday to get a new RA (I can't find mine any longer and it may have expired after 6 months) and see what options I need to have installed to bring this up to as close to a new K3S as possible.  I love the rig and see no point in buying a K4.  BTW, I hit the big 60 in August.

Harry, K7ZOV, if I weren't having all these mods done I'd try Deoxit and the like.  Thanks for the tip!

73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: K3S to be discontinued

Wes Stewart
 

I would pop the HPA in and out a few times, maybe with some contact cleaner and maybe do the same with the front panel, although I'm not sure about this.  You have the ATU so this might not apply, but I don't and have found that the ground return to the output connector is via a standoff and screw and is really iffy.  I added a solder lug and a jumper wire to fix that intermittent.

Otherwise, I wouldn't spend the bucks for any upgrade unless you are a 6 or 10-meter op and need the preamp.  I say all of this as the owner of both a K3 and a K3S.

Wes  N7WS


On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 04:41 PM, Christopher Scibelli wrote:
I have a K3, Serial # is about 2340, and it needs to be repaired.  I'm getting the "12V Error" which Elecraft told me is due to not having gold contacts in the PA section of the rig. I can only get 12 watts of output, but for about a year this was intermittent.  Now, RF power never reverts to the nominal 100 watts. It's always 12 watts.

I think they also said some of the front panel buttons needed to be replaced with gold panel contacts as well, but this conversation was over 6 months ago and things were delayed due to medical issues.

I was told I'd be responsible for about 2 hours of lab time which I can afford.  However, I, too, was going to have upgrades done so my K3 is as close to a K3S as possible.

What mods did you have done to your K3 and what was the total bill?  I have a fully loaded K3 aside from the 2nd receiver.  5 INRAD filters, the ATU, voice recorder, general coverage receiver, and all other options aside from the 2nd receiver which from my 10 years with the rig is something I've decided I can do without.

I do need this repaired so I feel I may as well have some K3S mods done while Elecraft has my rig.  

Very 73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: K3S to be discontinued

Christopher Scibelli
 

I bought my K3 in kit form.  I think the cost was about $3,200.  About 5 years later I added the P3 which I saw no point in building so no savings from a kit.  If I can bring this up to a K3S for a G-note I don't think that's unreasonable.  I did make about 60,000 Qs while I've had the K3 and I made Honor Roll so adding $1,000 after a decade of very heavy use isn't unreasonable in my humble opinion.  Hopefully, I get another decade of use from the rig.  If it lasts that long it probably will be time to buy a new State of the Art rig. Plus, I rather put the money into more antennas.


I'll call Elecraft on Monday to get a new RA (I can't find mine any longer and it may have expired after 6 months) and see what options I need to have installed to bring this up to as close to a new K3S as possible.  I love the rig and see no point in buying a K4.  BTW, I hit the big 60 in August.

Harry, K7ZOV, if I weren't having all these mods done I'd try Deoxit and the like.  Thanks for the tip!

73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: K3S to be discontinued

Merv Schweigert
 

If you have had none of the updates done since #2340,  kiss more than 1000 bucks good bye.
Lots of boards and updates to be done if you want it close to a K3S.
Merv K9FD

I have a K3, Serial # is about 2340, and it needs to be repaired.  I'm getting the "12V Error" which Elecraft told me is due to not having gold contacts in the PA section of the rig. I can only get 12 watts of output, but for about a year this was intermittent.  Now, RF power never reverts to the nominal 100 watts. It's always 12 watts.

I think they also said some of the front panel buttons needed to be replaced with gold panel contacts as well, but this conversation was over 6 months ago and things were delayed due to medical issues.

I was told I'd be responsible for about 2 hours of lab time which I can afford.  However, I, too, was going to have upgrades done so my K3 is as close to a K3S as possible.

What mods did you have done to your K3 and what was the total bill?  I have a fully loaded K3 aside from the 2nd receiver.  5 INRAD filters, the ATU, voice recorder, general coverage receiver, and all other options aside from the 2nd receiver which from my 10 years with the rig is something I've decided I can do without.

I do need this repaired so I feel I may as well have some K3S mods done while Elecraft has my rig.  

Very 73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: K3S to be discontinued

harry latterman <harrylatterman@...>
 

Chris,

I was given a DOA/tech Special a few years ago.  My radio is older then yours. That said I also have some issues with the contacts and fixed them fairly easily.  I got some spray contact cleaner from Walmart.  I have seen the same cleaner and similar at auto parts houses. For the AMP module pull it out and spray both the contacts in the amp module and then the mating ones.  If you have front panel issues you will have to do the same.  It has been 5 yrs since I did this and have not seen any problems like I had, like low power.  Takes a few hours but worth it.

73 Harry K7ZOV

On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 4:41:24 PM MST, Christopher Scibelli via Groups.Io <nu1oscar@...> wrote:


I have a K3, Serial # is about 2340, and it needs to be repaired.  I'm getting the "12V Error" which Elecraft told me is due to not having gold contacts in the PA section of the rig. I can only get 12 watts of output, but for about a year this was intermittent.  Now, RF power never reverts to the nominal 100 watts. It's always 12 watts.

I think they also said some of the front panel buttons needed to be replaced with gold panel contacts as well, but this conversation was over 6 months ago and things were delayed due to medical issues.

I was told I'd be responsible for about 2 hours of lab time which I can afford.  However, I, too, was going to have upgrades done so my K3 is as close to a K3S as possible.

What mods did you have done to your K3 and what was the total bill?  I have a fully loaded K3 aside from the 2nd receiver.  5 INRAD filters, the ATU, voice recorder, general coverage receiver, and all other options aside from the 2nd receiver which from my 10 years with the rig is something I've decided I can do without.

I do need this repaired so I feel I may as well have some K3S mods done while Elecraft has my rig.  

Very 73,

Chris  NU1O


Re: K3S to be discontinued

Christopher Scibelli
 

I have a K3, Serial # is about 2340, and it needs to be repaired.  I'm getting the "12V Error" which Elecraft told me is due to not having gold contacts in the PA section of the rig. I can only get 12 watts of output, but for about a year this was intermittent.  Now, RF power never reverts to the nominal 100 watts. It's always 12 watts.

I think they also said some of the front panel buttons needed to be replaced with gold panel contacts as well, but this conversation was over 6 months ago and things were delayed due to medical issues.

I was told I'd be responsible for about 2 hours of lab time which I can afford.  However, I, too, was going to have upgrades done so my K3 is as close to a K3S as possible.

What mods did you have done to your K3 and what was the total bill?  I have a fully loaded K3 aside from the 2nd receiver.  5 INRAD filters, the ATU, voice recorder, general coverage receiver, and all other options aside from the 2nd receiver which from my 10 years with the rig is something I've decided I can do without.

I do need this repaired so I feel I may as well have some K3S mods done while Elecraft has my rig.  

Very 73,

Chris  NU1O