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moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

Tom Schaefer NY4I
 

Peter,

Please excuse my indelicacy by trying to answer your actual question rather than use your post as a launching pad for personal pontifications. Are you aware that you can connect the K3/0 Mini to the computer for RemoteHams? You can use that just as you would use the K3/0 Mini. No RCForb box required. You still run the RemoteHams client though. I certainly agree the gold standard is to use RemoteRig boxes. I have a station setup at our local club for members to use. If you have multiple people using your remote, then RemoteHams is a good option as they do not need much to get on. Those that want to use an RCForb device or a K3/0 can, but those that cannot purchase that equipment, can use their computer headphones. But if it is just you, the RemoteRig boxes are going to give you the lowest latency and truest "just like being there" feeling.

I hope that answers your question so we can yield the floor to resume the off-topic rants. They add so much to the conversation, don't they?

Regards,

Tom NY4I


Re: Compensated Operating Remotely

Jeff Clarke KU8E
 

You guys are totally ignorant on your interpretation of this regulation.  https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/97.113

This FCC regulation prohibits using an amateur radio tansciever for a business where you need a commercial radio license. For example a dispatcher for a company (like a taxi service) using an amateur radio transceiver. 

It also prohibits broadcasting one way transmissions. The ARRL is exempt from this and their code practices and bulletins are allowed.

The remote ham radio companies are no different than any other amateur related business offering a service or selling products.

Jeff

On 12/17/2018 10:47 AM, dalej via Groups.Io wrote:
FCC Regulations 97.113b
--
Jeff Clarke
Information Technology Professional
Ellerslie, Georgia

KU8E.com


moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

Mitch Wolfson
 

I really can't believe how you guys have hijacked Peter's question. All he did was to ask how he could remote his K3
and a tirade of anti-remote comments were made.

Just because a few dozen people use a paid service does not make this "evil". I have helped over 300 people in some way 
to setup their current station to be able to remotely access them. All of them have been for personal reasons, e.g.:
- Allow access from their winter or summer home
- Access while traveling on business or pleasure
- Letting their father or other relative or friend access their station, since they are located in assisted living facility, HOA 
community or similar
- etc.

I am currently helping our local club remote the club station to allow access to older members in assisted living facilities or HOA
communities. These hams no longer have the possibility of running their own stations and would otherwise be off the air the rest
of their lives.

I personally remoted my station previously to allow access while I was traveling and was so satisfied with the results that I was able to
retire early and move to an HOA community in Florida. This was a life changer that allowed us to spend our lives in the warm climate
and have no effect on my hobby. Otherwise my statement to my XYL would have been "sorry, we are stuck here all winter, because
the DXpeditition to island X will be on the air then". 

So let Peter get back to why he wants to remote his own station and don't worry about the small number of hams that you may believe are
"cheating". That is their ethical question, not yours. Keep in mind that the vast majority (99%+) are doing this for other reasons that even you
may agree with if you give it some thought.

73,
Mitch K7DX / DJ0QN


moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

Jeff Clarke KU8E
 

"DXing is a little better at least there’s some degree of chasing and variability."

"To add, this business of contesting has become an ego building thing."


"Not only that, it’s unhealthy, sitting for hours on end repeating the same message over and over again."


Oh really? 99.9% of DXer's use the spotting network or a RBN so there isn't any "chase" involved in working DX.  Plus now you add FT8 to the equation which requires no skill except to hook up your computer to your radio to make QSO's for you. That sounds really exciting! Like catching fish from a barrel.

So DXers don't have an ego too? Maybe you don't go to Dayton, Visalia or any other conventions that have DX forums and see what goes on there? Most contesters I see when I attend Dayton are in much better health than your average "shack on the belt" ham.

Dale, you obviously don't know anything about contesting. It's much more than just keeping you butt in the chair. It involves strategy about knowing what band to be on to maximize your score and a deep understanding of radio propagation. Radio contesting is a sport much like auto racing. The teams try to push the limit of technology to gain some advantage. You don't have to be hardcore contester to enjoy contests. Many people operate DX contests not to win but to add new DXCC counties because there are typically a lot on countries on the air during a contest. All of your complaining about this remote contesting shouldn't be concerned because I  don't think your goal is to win a contest.

I find this whole thread amusing. It started out with a guy asking a question about remote operating and it has turned out with all you haters of change coming out and criticizing this technology as unethical.

Jeff



On 12/17/2018 06:51 AM, dalej via Groups.Io wrote:
Thanks Rick, I agree 100 percent.  To add, this business of contesting has become an ego building thing.  Not only that, it’s unhealthy, sitting for hours on end repeating the same message over and over again.  Even automated stations the operator can sit back with a can of beer or coffee pushing a button on a keyboard and sending a recorded message out every few seconds repeating over and over again until some one calls for a …..  _.  _.  (5NN).  What a time waster, IMHO.

DXing is a little better at least there’s some degree of chasing and variability.    

Dale, K9VUJ


On 16, Dec 2018, at 23:55, Rick WA6NHC <wa6nhc@...> wrote:

My opinion won’t be popular, but unless there are specific situations (HOA, other housing or lot restrictions), using a rented remote is immoral.  Period. 

If a contact is made from a rented or borrowed station is used for any award, that shameful.   No, you don’t get it.  It’s a matter of ethics and standards.

You live where you live and part of that is learning to best use the propagation of your home area then adapting your station to improve what can be improved.  Sometimes it is all in your favor, sometimes you have to try harder, just like life. 

Many of us start our ham lives with simple basic stations, which because we compete with everyone else for contacts, DX or contesting, teaches propagation, techniques and more, which can still be applied as the station grows.

If you borrow a local ham station, you don’t deserve the DX credit or award.  The owner of that station does, you didn’t build the station. 

Remote ops or borrowed stations also lower the value of the DXCC or other awards.   Any award granted using a rented remote should have an asterisk.  You’re buying the award, not earning it.  Shame on you. 

One exception is if it’s a club station, used under the club call not an individuals call. 

The DXCC committee itself has lowered the bar by allowing remote rented stations.  That’s shameful too and a considerable mistake making ham radio profitable, for those renting out station time.   Multi-band DXCC in a weekend?  Easy.  Just add cash. 

Earning the awards of any type is intended to take time and effort; not a large bank account better used to improve your station. 

And whining about FT8 being computer run; you’re right.  But so are more than 95% of RTTY contacts today.  Neither mode is fully automated but FT8 demands specific timing, beyond many hams ability.   Get over it, green key days are almost over (yep had that too).  CW readers are used as well, boo hoo, these computer tools enhance, not detract; they do nothing to increase output power, affect propagation, technique or anything else. 

EVERY contact in my log was made with a station I assembled, piece by piece, at home, work or vehicle.  I’ve never used a full power, multi-tower super station yet have DXCC on most bands.  I didn’t switch coasts at the flip of a switch because propagation stunk. 

I earned every contact, I didn’t buy a single one.   That is my level of ethics if you agree or not.  But I’m the only one I have to live with. 

Rick WA6NHC

Smell Czech correction happen

On Dec 16, 2018, at 8:48 PM, Richard Lawn <rjlawn@...> wrote:

I'd be interested in more detail as well.
Rick. W2JAZ 

--
Jeff Clarke
Information Technology Professional
Ellerslie, Georgia

KU8E.com


Re: Compensated Operating Remotely

Dale, K9VUJ
 

Maybe time for the FCC to start sending citations and the ARRL to amend the rules in their sponsored contests.

Dale, K9VUJ

On 17, Dec 2018, at 9:14, Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw@...> wrote:

FCC Regulations 97.113b answers the question: "Can you receive payment for your amateur radio assistance?" The answer is NO. You must never accept any money, or other consideration, for operating your station.


73
Bob, K4TAX


Compensated Operating Remotely

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
 

FCC Regulations 97.113b answers the question:   "Can you receive payment for your amateur radio assistance?"    The answer is NO. You must never accept any money, or other consideration, for operating your station.


73
Bob, K4TAX


moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

Joe Subich, W4TV
 

On 2018-12-17 12:55 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote:

I didn’t switch coasts at the flip of a switch because propagation
stunk.
I agree with you 100%. Those with high counts on 160 or 6 meters -
and by extension DXCC Challenge - achieved by using remote stations
or remote receivers "on the coast with propagation" should be
disqualified for life or required to start over from a single QTH.

The same thing can be said about contesting. I find it strange that
"rent-a-station" is accepted for single operator "unassisted" but
a single user unassisted operator can not use a CW Skimmer that is
located at the user's own station and not connected to the internet.

"Rules" are written to benefit the "big guns" and not to support
ethics, fair play and standards.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 2018-12-17 12:55 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote:
My opinion won’t be popular, but unless there are specific situations (HOA, other housing or lot restrictions), using a rented remote is immoral. Period.
If a contact is made from a rented or borrowed station is used for any award, that shameful. No, you don’t get it. It’s a matter of ethics and standards.
You live where you live and part of that is learning to best use the propagation of your home area then adapting your station to improve what can be improved. Sometimes it is all in your favor, sometimes you have to try harder, just like life.
Many of us start our ham lives with simple basic stations, which because we compete with everyone else for contacts, DX or contesting, teaches propagation, techniques and more, which can still be applied as the station grows.
If you borrow a local ham station, you don’t deserve the DX credit or award. The owner of that station does, you didn’t build the station.
Remote ops or borrowed stations also lower the value of the DXCC or other awards. Any award granted using a rented remote should have an asterisk. You’re buying the award, not earning it. Shame on you.
One exception is if it’s a club station, used under the club call not an individuals call.
The DXCC committee itself has lowered the bar by allowing remote rented stations. That’s shameful too and a considerable mistake making ham radio profitable, for those renting out station time. Multi-band DXCC in a weekend? Easy. Just add cash.
Earning the awards of any type is intended to take time and effort; not a large bank account better used to improve your station.
And whining about FT8 being computer run; you’re right. But so are more than 95% of RTTY contacts today. Neither mode is fully automated but FT8 demands specific timing, beyond many hams ability. Get over it, green key days are almost over (yep had that too). CW readers are used as well, boo hoo, these computer tools enhance, not detract; they do nothing to increase output power, affect propagation, technique or anything else.
EVERY contact in my log was made with a station I assembled, piece by piece, at home, work or vehicle. I’ve never used a full power, multi-tower super station yet have DXCC on most bands. I didn’t switch coasts at the flip of a switch because propagation stunk.
I earned every contact, I didn’t buy a single one. That is my level of ethics if you agree or not. But I’m the only one I have to live with.
Rick WA6NHC
Smell Czech correction happen

On Dec 16, 2018, at 8:48 PM, Richard Lawn <rjlawn@...> wrote:

I'd be interested in more detail as well.
Rick. W2JAZ


moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

rick.22202@...
 

Tried it. Was never able to successfully set up the host. I've used it on the client side and found it to be super-clunky. And, sadly, it is no longer supported and the developer is unresponsive.
Tremendous concept, however.

--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 12/17/18, AJ3O via Groups.Io <joe_aj3o@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] How can I remote my own K3s?
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Date: Monday, December 17, 2018, 6:59 AM


Look at RemoteHams.com -
Home.This will allow you to remote YOUR
personal station. Free free free


moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

Wes
 

Wow, where to begin.  Of course you don't understand the personal ethics of some of us.  That's okay, they are personal, some of us have them some of us don't.

In what follows, I'm speaking as a DXer, contests make my eyes glaze over.

In my case, my stations were constructed and operated by me.  During much of my 60 year ham career, a lot, or in the case of 2-meter EME all, of my equipment was designed and built by me.  All of my DXCC contacts have been made from locations within a ten mile radius in Tucson.  For more on this my bio on QRZ expands and I won't elaborate here.

So, my accomplishments are mine, and that's the way I want it.  Sure, I have friends who were off the air for various reasons, and used another's station, or worse had the other guy work the DX for them, so they maintained their lofty perch on the top of the "Honor" Roll.  I had one local ask me on the air to call him on the telephone once.  He them reported that "I" had worked such-and-such DXpedition on a particular band and time.  He worked them using my call and thought that I would be pleased.  I read him the riot act and of course did not claim the QSO.  Others did, however.  Got to stay on top doncha ya know,

I certainly have no beef with fellows who build huge multi-op stations, they are tremendous technical achievements. That said, I doubt (or hope) that those guest ops aren't claiming credits toward their own stats.  If they are---well---see comments on ethics above.

Wes  N7WS

On 12/16/2018 8:39 PM, Jeff Clarke wrote:

I guess I really don't understand your guys problem with this?

People guest operating from someones big gun station in contests has been happening for years. Many of the elite operators, who are usually younger, don't have the funds to build a big station. Usually you need to have a relationship with the owner to be able to operate their station. With the remote radio sites that are out there like RemoteHamRadio.com and BeLoud.Us you no longer need to have have that relationship with the owner to be able to operate a big gun station. You just need put out the cash to do it.  Some will say that's not fair that someone can pay to do this.  My logic on this subject is contesting and DXing isn't fair to begin with. Some people can spend ten of thousands of dollars or more the build the best station money can buy and others can't. So why would it make a difference if you are at a station in person or renting a station to operate remotely thru the internet?  You are saving a lot of money and labor to maintain a station by renting one of these remote stations if you have the means to do it.

Sorry to break the news to you but this is the future of contesting if you want to be competitive and be considered to be an "elite" contester. If not then just do contesting for fun with what you have.

Happy Holidays , Jeff KU8E


On 12/16/2018 08:34 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree! 

Radios, antennas, and me at my QTH .   I hear them, I work them. No 'rent a station' for me. 
I agree "rent a station" contacts should not qualify for anything except ones ego. 

73
Bob, K4TAX



On Dec 16, 2018, at 7:28 PM, James Blanca <ke8g.jim@...> wrote:

Nope, I wouldn’t even consider trying something like that...to me it is 100% against everything I believe amateur radio to be!  I remotely operate the station I built, the antennas I assembled, the auxiliary equipment I assembled.  It’s mine, no one else’s!  

If you can’t hear a station transmitting at your QTH, switch to a “rent a station “ and make the QSO.  IMHO, that is cheating!

73 de Jim - KE8G

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 5:54 PM Bill KO7SS via Groups.Io <ko7ss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I don't know where you live, no call sign in the posting, but RemoteHamRadio.com has direct connectivity from your K3/0 Mini or K3S to their
K3's located on the East Coast, with big antennas and big amps. No extra software or hardware. Their proprietary software is amazing. Pricing
is per minute of use, Discounts for contest periods.

73, Bill KO7SS
--
Jeff Clarke
Information Technology Professional
Ellerslie, Georgia

KU8E.com



moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

AJ3O
 

This will allow you to remote YOUR personal station. Free free free




On Monday, December 17, 2018, 6:51:18 AM EST, dalej via Groups.Io <dalej2@...> wrote:


Thanks Rick, I agree 100 percent.  To add, this business of contesting has become an ego building thing.  Not only that, it’s unhealthy, sitting for hours on end repeating the same message over and over again.  Even automated stations the operator can sit back with a can of beer or coffee pushing a button on a keyboard and sending a recorded message out every few seconds repeating over and over again until some one calls for a …..  _.  _.  (5NN).  What a time waster, IMHO.

DXing is a little better at least there’s some degree of chasing and variability.    

Dale, K9VUJ


On 16, Dec 2018, at 23:55, Rick WA6NHC <wa6nhc@...> wrote:

My opinion won’t be popular, but unless there are specific situations (HOA, other housing or lot restrictions), using a rented remote is immoral.  Period. 

If a contact is made from a rented or borrowed station is used for any award, that shameful.   No, you don’t get it.  It’s a matter of ethics and standards.

You live where you live and part of that is learning to best use the propagation of your home area then adapting your station to improve what can be improved.  Sometimes it is all in your favor, sometimes you have to try harder, just like life. 

Many of us start our ham lives with simple basic stations, which because we compete with everyone else for contacts, DX or contesting, teaches propagation, techniques and more, which can still be applied as the station grows.

If you borrow a local ham station, you don’t deserve the DX credit or award.  The owner of that station does, you didn’t build the station. 

Remote ops or borrowed stations also lower the value of the DXCC or other awards.   Any award granted using a rented remote should have an asterisk.  You’re buying the award, not earning it.  Shame on you. 

One exception is if it’s a club station, used under the club call not an individuals call. 

The DXCC committee itself has lowered the bar by allowing remote rented stations.  That’s shameful too and a considerable mistake making ham radio profitable, for those renting out station time.   Multi-band DXCC in a weekend?  Easy.  Just add cash. 

Earning the awards of any type is intended to take time and effort; not a large bank account better used to improve your station. 

And whining about FT8 being computer run; you’re right.  But so are more than 95% of RTTY contacts today.  Neither mode is fully automated but FT8 demands specific timing, beyond many hams ability.   Get over it, green key days are almost over (yep had that too).  CW readers are used as well, boo hoo, these computer tools enhance, not detract; they do nothing to increase output power, affect propagation, technique or anything else. 

EVERY contact in my log was made with a station I assembled, piece by piece, at home, work or vehicle.  I’ve never used a full power, multi-tower super station yet have DXCC on most bands.  I didn’t switch coasts at the flip of a switch because propagation stunk. 

I earned every contact, I didn’t buy a single one.   That is my level of ethics if you agree or not.  But I’m the only one I have to live with. 

Rick WA6NHC

Smell Czech correction happen

On Dec 16, 2018, at 8:48 PM, Richard Lawn <rjlawn@...> wrote:

I'd be interested in more detail as well.
Rick. W2JAZ 


moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

Dale, K9VUJ
 

Thanks Rick, I agree 100 percent.  To add, this business of contesting has become an ego building thing.  Not only that, it’s unhealthy, sitting for hours on end repeating the same message over and over again.  Even automated stations the operator can sit back with a can of beer or coffee pushing a button on a keyboard and sending a recorded message out every few seconds repeating over and over again until some one calls for a …..  _.  _.  (5NN).  What a time waster, IMHO.

DXing is a little better at least there’s some degree of chasing and variability.    

Dale, K9VUJ


On 16, Dec 2018, at 23:55, Rick WA6NHC <wa6nhc@...> wrote:

My opinion won’t be popular, but unless there are specific situations (HOA, other housing or lot restrictions), using a rented remote is immoral.  Period. 

If a contact is made from a rented or borrowed station is used for any award, that shameful.   No, you don’t get it.  It’s a matter of ethics and standards.

You live where you live and part of that is learning to best use the propagation of your home area then adapting your station to improve what can be improved.  Sometimes it is all in your favor, sometimes you have to try harder, just like life. 

Many of us start our ham lives with simple basic stations, which because we compete with everyone else for contacts, DX or contesting, teaches propagation, techniques and more, which can still be applied as the station grows.

If you borrow a local ham station, you don’t deserve the DX credit or award.  The owner of that station does, you didn’t build the station. 

Remote ops or borrowed stations also lower the value of the DXCC or other awards.   Any award granted using a rented remote should have an asterisk.  You’re buying the award, not earning it.  Shame on you. 

One exception is if it’s a club station, used under the club call not an individuals call. 

The DXCC committee itself has lowered the bar by allowing remote rented stations.  That’s shameful too and a considerable mistake making ham radio profitable, for those renting out station time.   Multi-band DXCC in a weekend?  Easy.  Just add cash. 

Earning the awards of any type is intended to take time and effort; not a large bank account better used to improve your station. 

And whining about FT8 being computer run; you’re right.  But so are more than 95% of RTTY contacts today.  Neither mode is fully automated but FT8 demands specific timing, beyond many hams ability.   Get over it, green key days are almost over (yep had that too).  CW readers are used as well, boo hoo, these computer tools enhance, not detract; they do nothing to increase output power, affect propagation, technique or anything else. 

EVERY contact in my log was made with a station I assembled, piece by piece, at home, work or vehicle.  I’ve never used a full power, multi-tower super station yet have DXCC on most bands.  I didn’t switch coasts at the flip of a switch because propagation stunk. 

I earned every contact, I didn’t buy a single one.   That is my level of ethics if you agree or not.  But I’m the only one I have to live with. 

Rick WA6NHC

Smell Czech correction happen

On Dec 16, 2018, at 8:48 PM, Richard Lawn <rjlawn@...> wrote:

I'd be interested in more detail as well.
Rick. W2JAZ 


moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

Everett N4CY
 

I took at using a remote and paying for it is like cheating on your wife, it just isn’t right. 

Everett N4CY

On Dec 16, 2018, at 11:55 PM, Rick WA6NHC <wa6nhc@...> wrote:

My opinion won’t be popular, but unless there are specific situations (HOA, other housing or lot restrictions), using a rented remote is immoral.  Period. 

If a contact is made from a rented or borrowed station is used for any award, that shameful.   No, you don’t get it.  It’s a matter of ethics and standards.

You live where you live and part of that is learning to best use the propagation of your home area then adapting your station to improve what can be improved.  Sometimes it is all in your favor, sometimes you have to try harder, just like life. 

Many of us start our ham lives with simple basic stations, which because we compete with everyone else for contacts, DX or contesting, teaches propagation, techniques and more, which can still be applied as the station grows.

If you borrow a local ham station, you don’t deserve the DX credit or award.  The owner of that station does, you didn’t build the station. 

Remote ops or borrowed stations also lower the value of the DXCC or other awards.   Any award granted using a rented remote should have an asterisk.  You’re buying the award, not earning it.  Shame on you. 

One exception is if it’s a club station, used under the club call not an individuals call. 

The DXCC committee itself has lowered the bar by allowing remote rented stations.  That’s shameful too and a considerable mistake making ham radio profitable, for those renting out station time.   Multi-band DXCC in a weekend?  Easy.  Just add cash. 

Earning the awards of any type is intended to take time and effort; not a large bank account better used to improve your station. 

And whining about FT8 being computer run; you’re right.  But so are more than 95% of RTTY contacts today.  Neither mode is fully automated but FT8 demands specific timing, beyond many hams ability.   Get over it, green key days are almost over (yep had that too).  CW readers are used as well, boo hoo, these computer tools enhance, not detract; they do nothing to increase output power, affect propagation, technique or anything else. 

EVERY contact in my log was made with a station I assembled, piece by piece, at home, work or vehicle.  I’ve never used a full power, multi-tower super station yet have DXCC on most bands.  I didn’t switch coasts at the flip of a switch because propagation stunk. 

I earned every contact, I didn’t buy a single one.   That is my level of ethics if you agree or not.  But I’m the only one I have to live with. 

Rick WA6NHC

Smell Czech correction happen

On Dec 16, 2018, at 8:48 PM, Richard Lawn <rjlawn@...> wrote:

I'd be interested in more detail as well.
Rick. W2JAZ 


moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

Rick NK7I
 

My opinion won’t be popular, but unless there are specific situations (HOA, other housing or lot restrictions), using a rented remote is immoral.  Period. 

If a contact is made from a rented or borrowed station is used for any award, that shameful.   No, you don’t get it.  It’s a matter of ethics and standards.

You live where you live and part of that is learning to best use the propagation of your home area then adapting your station to improve what can be improved.  Sometimes it is all in your favor, sometimes you have to try harder, just like life. 

Many of us start our ham lives with simple basic stations, which because we compete with everyone else for contacts, DX or contesting, teaches propagation, techniques and more, which can still be applied as the station grows.

If you borrow a local ham station, you don’t deserve the DX credit or award.  The owner of that station does, you didn’t build the station. 

Remote ops or borrowed stations also lower the value of the DXCC or other awards.   Any award granted using a rented remote should have an asterisk.  You’re buying the award, not earning it.  Shame on you. 

One exception is if it’s a club station, used under the club call not an individuals call. 

The DXCC committee itself has lowered the bar by allowing remote rented stations.  That’s shameful too and a considerable mistake making ham radio profitable, for those renting out station time.   Multi-band DXCC in a weekend?  Easy.  Just add cash. 

Earning the awards of any type is intended to take time and effort; not a large bank account better used to improve your station. 

And whining about FT8 being computer run; you’re right.  But so are more than 95% of RTTY contacts today.  Neither mode is fully automated but FT8 demands specific timing, beyond many hams ability.   Get over it, green key days are almost over (yep had that too).  CW readers are used as well, boo hoo, these computer tools enhance, not detract; they do nothing to increase output power, affect propagation, technique or anything else. 

EVERY contact in my log was made with a station I assembled, piece by piece, at home, work or vehicle.  I’ve never used a full power, multi-tower super station yet have DXCC on most bands.  I didn’t switch coasts at the flip of a switch because propagation stunk. 

I earned every contact, I didn’t buy a single one.   That is my level of ethics if you agree or not.  But I’m the only one I have to live with. 

Rick WA6NHC

Smell Czech correction happen

On Dec 16, 2018, at 8:48 PM, Richard Lawn <rjlawn@...> wrote:

I'd be interested in more detail as well.
Rick. W2JAZ 


moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

Richard Lawn
 

I'd be interested in more detail as well.
Rick. W2JAZ 


moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

Mal
 

I’m doing that for worked all states.

Oh I have to go now my computer just told me I just got DXCC on 40m FT-8

Isn’t ham radio great these days.

 

73 de Mal WA2TWA

 

From: Elecraft-K3@groups.io <Elecraft-K3@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob McGraw - K4TAX
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 11:19 PM
To: Elecraft-K3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] How can I remote my own K3s?

 

I'll just call the DX on the cell phone and log it as a 900 MHz contact.  Much less expensive too. 

This makes as much sense as paid time on a big gun DX station.  

 

 

Bob, K4TAX

 

 


On Dec 16, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Jeff Clarke <ku8e@...> wrote:

I guess I really don't understand your guys problem with this?

People guest operating from someones big gun station in contests has been happening for years. Many of the elite operators, who are usually younger, don't have the funds to build a big station. Usually you need to have a relationship with the owner to be able to operate their station. With the remote radio sites that are out there like RemoteHamRadio.com and BeLoud.Us you no longer need to have have that relationship with the owner to be able to operate a big gun station. You just need put out the cash to do it.  Some will say that's not fair that someone can pay to do this.  My logic on this subject is contesting and DXing isn't fair to begin with. Some people can spend ten of thousands of dollars or more the build the best station money can buy and others can't. So why would it make a difference if you are at a station in person or renting a station to operate remotely thru the internet?  You are saving a lot of money and labor to maintain a station by renting one of these remote stations if you have the means to do it.

Sorry to break the news to you but this is the future of contesting if you want to be competitive and be considered to be an "elite" contester. If not then just do contesting for fun with what you have.

Happy Holidays , Jeff KU8E

 

On 12/16/2018 08:34 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:

I wholeheartedly agree! 

 

Radios, antennas, and me at my QTH .   I hear them, I work them. No 'rent a station' for me. 

I agree "rent a station" contacts should not qualify for anything except ones ego. 

73

Bob, K4TAX

 

 


On Dec 16, 2018, at 7:28 PM, James Blanca <ke8g.jim@...> wrote:

Nope, I wouldn’t even consider trying something like that...to me it is 100% against everything I believe amateur radio to be!  I remotely operate the station I built, the antennas I assembled, the auxiliary equipment I assembled.  It’s mine, no one else’s!  

 

If you can’t hear a station transmitting at your QTH, switch to a “rent a station “ and make the QSO.  IMHO, that is cheating!

 

73 de Jim - KE8G

 

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 5:54 PM Bill KO7SS via Groups.Io <ko7ss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I don't know where you live, no call sign in the posting, but RemoteHamRadio.com has direct connectivity from your K3/0 Mini or K3S to their
K3's located on the East Coast, with big antennas and big amps. No extra software or hardware. Their proprietary software is amazing. Pricing
is per minute of use, Discounts for contest periods.

73, Bill KO7SS

--
Jeff Clarke
Information Technology Professional
Ellerslie, Georgia

KU8E.com


moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

Martin Sole
 

There's a couple of points I'll make on this.

I've tried remote operating, using a remote station to work some dx, both me and the remote station were in the same dxcc entity so at least there was that. I probably wouldn't have made that band/mode slot without the significantly superior remote station. The whole thing left me feeling cold and disconnected.

I recall someone mentioned explaining FT8 or some such to someone, I think his comment in reply was along the lines of "How do you know when you're having fun?"
I found remote operating another station in the same vein. The fun bit seemed to be missing.

I'll put anther twist in this though. If it were my station here at home that' I've put together myself, with my antennas and whilst I'm elsewhere I was able to connect to my home station and operate it remotely I feel that's a bit different.

Martin, HS0ZED


On 17/12/2018 11:19, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
I'll just call the DX on the cell phone and log it as a 900 MHz contact.  Much less expensive too. 

This makes as much sense as paid time on a big gun DX station.  


Bob, K4TAX



On Dec 16, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Jeff Clarke <ku8e@...> wrote:

I guess I really don't understand your guys problem with this?

People guest operating from someones big gun station in contests has been happening for years. Many of the elite operators, who are usually younger, don't have the funds to build a big station. Usually you need to have a relationship with the owner to be able to operate their station. With the remote radio sites that are out there like RemoteHamRadio.com and BeLoud.Us you no longer need to have have that relationship with the owner to be able to operate a big gun station. You just need put out the cash to do it.  Some will say that's not fair that someone can pay to do this.  My logic on this subject is contesting and DXing isn't fair to begin with. Some people can spend ten of thousands of dollars or more the build the best station money can buy and others can't. So why would it make a difference if you are at a station in person or renting a station to operate remotely thru the internet?  You are saving a lot of money and labor to maintain a station by renting one of these remote stations if you have the means to do it.

Sorry to break the news to you but this is the future of contesting if you want to be competitive and be considered to be an "elite" contester. If not then just do contesting for fun with what you have.

Happy Holidays , Jeff KU8E


On 12/16/2018 08:34 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree! 

Radios, antennas, and me at my QTH .   I hear them, I work them. No 'rent a station' for me. 
I agree "rent a station" contacts should not qualify for anything except ones ego. 

73
Bob, K4TAX



On Dec 16, 2018, at 7:28 PM, James Blanca <ke8g.jim@...> wrote:

Nope, I wouldn’t even consider trying something like that...to me it is 100% against everything I believe amateur radio to be!  I remotely operate the station I built, the antennas I assembled, the auxiliary equipment I assembled.  It’s mine, no one else’s!  

If you can’t hear a station transmitting at your QTH, switch to a “rent a station “ and make the QSO.  IMHO, that is cheating!

73 de Jim - KE8G

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 5:54 PM Bill KO7SS via Groups.Io <ko7ss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I don't know where you live, no call sign in the posting, but RemoteHamRadio.com has direct connectivity from your K3/0 Mini or K3S to their
K3's located on the East Coast, with big antennas and big amps. No extra software or hardware. Their proprietary software is amazing. Pricing
is per minute of use, Discounts for contest periods.

73, Bill KO7SS
--
Jeff Clarke
Information Technology Professional
Ellerslie, Georgia

KU8E.com



moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
 

I'll just call the DX on the cell phone and log it as a 900 MHz contact.  Much less expensive too. 

This makes as much sense as paid time on a big gun DX station.  


Bob, K4TAX



On Dec 16, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Jeff Clarke <ku8e@...> wrote:

I guess I really don't understand your guys problem with this?

People guest operating from someones big gun station in contests has been happening for years. Many of the elite operators, who are usually younger, don't have the funds to build a big station. Usually you need to have a relationship with the owner to be able to operate their station. With the remote radio sites that are out there like RemoteHamRadio.com and BeLoud.Us you no longer need to have have that relationship with the owner to be able to operate a big gun station. You just need put out the cash to do it.  Some will say that's not fair that someone can pay to do this.  My logic on this subject is contesting and DXing isn't fair to begin with. Some people can spend ten of thousands of dollars or more the build the best station money can buy and others can't. So why would it make a difference if you are at a station in person or renting a station to operate remotely thru the internet?  You are saving a lot of money and labor to maintain a station by renting one of these remote stations if you have the means to do it.

Sorry to break the news to you but this is the future of contesting if you want to be competitive and be considered to be an "elite" contester. If not then just do contesting for fun with what you have.

Happy Holidays , Jeff KU8E


On 12/16/2018 08:34 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree! 

Radios, antennas, and me at my QTH .   I hear them, I work them. No 'rent a station' for me. 
I agree "rent a station" contacts should not qualify for anything except ones ego. 

73
Bob, K4TAX



On Dec 16, 2018, at 7:28 PM, James Blanca <ke8g.jim@...> wrote:

Nope, I wouldn’t even consider trying something like that...to me it is 100% against everything I believe amateur radio to be!  I remotely operate the station I built, the antennas I assembled, the auxiliary equipment I assembled.  It’s mine, no one else’s!  

If you can’t hear a station transmitting at your QTH, switch to a “rent a station “ and make the QSO.  IMHO, that is cheating!

73 de Jim - KE8G

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 5:54 PM Bill KO7SS via Groups.Io <ko7ss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I don't know where you live, no call sign in the posting, but RemoteHamRadio.com has direct connectivity from your K3/0 Mini or K3S to their
K3's located on the East Coast, with big antennas and big amps. No extra software or hardware. Their proprietary software is amazing. Pricing
is per minute of use, Discounts for contest periods.

73, Bill KO7SS
--
Jeff Clarke
Information Technology Professional
Ellerslie, Georgia

KU8E.com


moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

Jeff Clarke KU8E
 

I guess I really don't understand your guys problem with this?

People guest operating from someones big gun station in contests has been happening for years. Many of the elite operators, who are usually younger, don't have the funds to build a big station. Usually you need to have a relationship with the owner to be able to operate their station. With the remote radio sites that are out there like RemoteHamRadio.com and BeLoud.Us you no longer need to have have that relationship with the owner to be able to operate a big gun station. You just need put out the cash to do it.  Some will say that's not fair that someone can pay to do this.  My logic on this subject is contesting and DXing isn't fair to begin with. Some people can spend ten of thousands of dollars or more the build the best station money can buy and others can't. So why would it make a difference if you are at a station in person or renting a station to operate remotely thru the internet?  You are saving a lot of money and labor to maintain a station by renting one of these remote stations if you have the means to do it.

Sorry to break the news to you but this is the future of contesting if you want to be competitive and be considered to be an "elite" contester. If not then just do contesting for fun with what you have.

Happy Holidays , Jeff KU8E


On 12/16/2018 08:34 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree! 

Radios, antennas, and me at my QTH .   I hear them, I work them. No 'rent a station' for me. 
I agree "rent a station" contacts should not qualify for anything except ones ego. 

73
Bob, K4TAX



On Dec 16, 2018, at 7:28 PM, James Blanca <ke8g.jim@...> wrote:

Nope, I wouldn’t even consider trying something like that...to me it is 100% against everything I believe amateur radio to be!  I remotely operate the station I built, the antennas I assembled, the auxiliary equipment I assembled.  It’s mine, no one else’s!  

If you can’t hear a station transmitting at your QTH, switch to a “rent a station “ and make the QSO.  IMHO, that is cheating!

73 de Jim - KE8G

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 5:54 PM Bill KO7SS via Groups.Io <ko7ss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I don't know where you live, no call sign in the posting, but RemoteHamRadio.com has direct connectivity from your K3/0 Mini or K3S to their
K3's located on the East Coast, with big antennas and big amps. No extra software or hardware. Their proprietary software is amazing. Pricing
is per minute of use, Discounts for contest periods.

73, Bill KO7SS
--
Jeff Clarke
Information Technology Professional
Ellerslie, Georgia

KU8E.com


moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
 

I wholeheartedly agree! 

Radios, antennas, and me at my QTH .   I hear them, I work them. No 'rent a station' for me. 
I agree "rent a station" contacts should not qualify for anything except ones ego. 

73
Bob, K4TAX



On Dec 16, 2018, at 7:28 PM, James Blanca <ke8g.jim@...> wrote:

Nope, I wouldn’t even consider trying something like that...to me it is 100% against everything I believe amateur radio to be!  I remotely operate the station I built, the antennas I assembled, the auxiliary equipment I assembled.  It’s mine, no one else’s!  

If you can’t hear a station transmitting at your QTH, switch to a “rent a station “ and make the QSO.  IMHO, that is cheating!

73 de Jim - KE8G

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 5:54 PM Bill KO7SS via Groups.Io <ko7ss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I don't know where you live, no call sign in the posting, but RemoteHamRadio.com has direct connectivity from your K3/0 Mini or K3S to their
K3's located on the East Coast, with big antennas and big amps. No extra software or hardware. Their proprietary software is amazing. Pricing
is per minute of use, Discounts for contest periods.

73, Bill KO7SS


moderated Re: How can I remote my own K3s?

KE8G
 

Nope, I wouldn’t even consider trying something like that...to me it is 100% against everything I believe amateur radio to be!  I remotely operate the station I built, the antennas I assembled, the auxiliary equipment I assembled.  It’s mine, no one else’s!  

If you can’t hear a station transmitting at your QTH, switch to a “rent a station “ and make the QSO.  IMHO, that is cheating!

73 de Jim - KE8G

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 5:54 PM Bill KO7SS via Groups.Io <ko7ss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I don't know where you live, no call sign in the posting, but RemoteHamRadio.com has direct connectivity from your K3/0 Mini or K3S to their
K3's located on the East Coast, with big antennas and big amps. No extra software or hardware. Their proprietary software is amazing. Pricing
is per minute of use, Discounts for contest periods.

73, Bill KO7SS

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