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Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: Genovation 24 Key pad software now up...

Arthur Peters
 

PJ,

How'd you connect to the kx3?


On Feb 4, 2016, at 3:28 PM, hickspj467@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:

 

I have a Genovations keypad working directly into a KX3 and I am wondering the same thing. I do not have a P3 but the P3 plus the VGA board seems a bit extreme.


P. J. Hicks,  N7PXY


Re: [Elecraft_K3] K3S and windows XP

William Conkling <bconk75@...>
 

Be sure and set the RS232 CONFIG setting to "USB" and not a baud rate, like 38400 or 4800 baud. 

The radio must be plugged in and ON for the Utility to recognize it. 

...nr4c. bill


On Feb 4, 2016, at 10:01 AM, gm0kmj@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:

 

Well i tried to connect my friends K3S to an Xp sp3 laptop and according to the device manager it has detected something connected to it but has no idea what it is. we ran the Elecraft utility software before plugging in the K3s, I was wondering if we have missed something e.i new set of usb drivers or utilities program.
I'm seriously considering upgrading to a K3S from a TS590S but concerned that I will need to upgrade my laptop etc.
Paul
GM0KMJ


Re: Genovation 24 Key pad software now up...

hickspj467@...
 

I have a Genovations keypad working directly into a KX3 and I am wondering the same thing. I do not have a P3 but the P3 plus the VGA board seems a bit extreme.


P. J. Hicks,  N7PXY


Re: [Elecraft_K3] RIT/XIT offset extension for K3

Stephen Malyszka
 

Thanks Dave...I built a macro similar to yours and it works.

Steve
AG2J


Re: Genovation 24 Key pad software now up...

w2blc@...
 

Is there any reason that the Genovation could not be used to send commands directly to the K3? Doing it that way would not require purchasing the nearly $300 VGA board for the P3?

Bill W2BLC K-Line


Re: [Elecraft_K3] K3S and windows XP

kk7p
 

Paul,

In the device manager window(s) it should have detected a USB hub, a USB soundcard, and an FTDI USB <-> RS232 chip.  The hub and soundcard require nothing other than what is natively in Windows XP, at least in the US versions on the desktop and laptop WinXP computers I tried.

The serial port device requires a driver from FTDI.  I am fairly confident, but not completely certain, that the driver linked to on the Elecraft website for the current USB <-> serial cable will work. It should at least get you to the correct place to download the driver from FTDI.

73,

Lyle KK7P

On 2/4/16 8:01 AM, gm0kmj@... [Elecraft_K3] wrote:
 

Well i tried to connect my friends K3S to an Xp sp3 laptop and according to the device manager it has detected something connected to it but has no idea what it is. we ran the Elecraft utility software before plugging in the K3s, I was wondering if we have missed something e.i new set of usb drivers or utilities program.
I'm seriously considering upgrading to a K3S from a TS590S but concerned that I will need to upgrade my laptop etc.
Paul
GM0KMJ



Re: [Elecraft_K3] RIT/XIT offset extension for K3

Dave (NK7Z)
 

SWT13;SWT13;FT1;UPB7;RT0;XT0;
Will give you split up 5 KHz., and


FT0;RT0;XT0;LN0;
Will clean up after split...


--
73's, and thanks,
Dave


For software/hardware reviews see:
http://www.nk7z.net


For MixW support see:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info


For SSTV help see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info






On Thu, 2016-02-04 at 08:02 -0800, Wayne Burdick n6kr@elecraft.com
[Elecraft_K3] wrote:
10 kHz is the limit for RIT/XIT, but you can go as far as you'd like
using SPLIT.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Feb 4, 2016, at 6:04 AM, "ag2j@arrl.net [Elecraft_K3]" <Elecraft_K
3@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Hopefully, this is not a dumb question. Is there a way to extend
the RIT/XIT offset on the K3 with only one receiver? The current
configuration is +/- 0 to 10KHz. I'd like to double that.
 


Re: [Elecraft_K3] RIT/XIT offset extension for K3

Dave (NK7Z)
 

Use the split + 5 macro, and just dial a bit further...
--
73's, and thanks,
Dave


For software/hardware reviews see:
http://www.nk7z.net


For MixW support see:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info


For SSTV help see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info

On Thu, 2016-02-04 at 07:47 -0800, ag2j@arrl.net [Elecraft_K3] wrote:
Thanks Bill but your approach doesn't work for K3 with one receiver.
There must be some way of using macros to solve this.


Re: [Elecraft_K3] RIT/XIT offset extension for K3

 

10 kHz is the limit for RIT/XIT, but you can go as far as you'd like using SPLIT.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Feb 4, 2016, at 6:04 AM, "ag2j@arrl.net [Elecraft_K3]" <Elecraft_K3@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hopefully, this is not a dumb question. Is there a way to extend the RIT/XIT offset on the K3 with only one receiver? The current configuration is +/- 0 to 10KHz. I'd like to double that.


Re: [Elecraft_K3] RIT/XIT offset extension for K3

Stephen Malyszka
 

Thanks Bill but your approach doesn't work for K3 with one receiver. There must be some way of using macros to solve this.


Re: [Elecraft_K3] RIT/XIT offset extension for K3

William Conkling <bconk75@...>
 

RIT -10/ XIT +10?

Or just use SPLIT !



...nr4c. bill


On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:04 AM, ag2j@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:

 

Hopefully, this is not a dumb question. Is there a  way to extend the RIT/XIT offset on the K3 with only one receiver? The current configuration is +/- 0 to 10KHz. I'd like to double that.


Thanks,

Steve


Re: [Elecraft_K3] K3S and windows XP

gm0kmj
 

Well i tried to connect my friends K3S to an Xp sp3 laptop and according to the device manager it has detected something connected to it but has no idea what it is. we ran the Elecraft utility software before plugging in the K3s, I was wondering if we have missed something e.i new set of usb drivers or utilities program.
I'm seriously considering upgrading to a K3S from a TS590S but concerned that I will need to upgrade my laptop etc.
Paul
GM0KMJ


Genovation 24 Key pad software now up...

Dave (NK7Z)
 

Hello Gents,


I have completed testing on the CP24USBHID upgrade software and am
happy to report it appears to work flawlessly in allowing the
Genovation 24 Key pad, (CP24USBHID), to send macro triggers to the P3.


The install and setup process are the same, just use the CP24USBHID
upgrade software on the CP24 pad, and the CP48 software on the CP48
pad.  All the rest of the setup is the same...
 
You can download the 24 key pad upgrade software from www.nk7z.net...


I will have templates, and a button cut out as the 48 key pad has, for
the 24 key pad sometime later this month.


See:
http://www.nk7z.net for full instructions on how to get the Genovation
pads connected to the P3, and to download the upgrade software.


If you come up with any cool macros, please send them to me for
inclusion on a macro page I am putting together.
--
73's, and thanks,
Dave


For software/hardware reviews see:
http://www.nk7z.net


For MixW support see:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info


For SSTV help see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


Re: Elecraft Price Increase Alert (Now Feb 8th)

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
 

In response to numerous requests from customers this week for a little more time to beat the scheduled price changes with their orders, we have moved the date for the changes a few days later to this Monday, Feb 8th.

This should give those who missed the original announcement and everyone else through this weekend time to to place their orders.  :-)


73,

Eric
elecraft.com


RIT/XIT offset extension for K3

Stephen Malyszka
 

Hopefully, this is not a dumb question. Is there a  way to extend the RIT/XIT offset on the K3 with only one receiver? The current configuration is +/- 0 to 10KHz. I'd like to double that.


Thanks,

Steve


Re: K3S and windows XP

gdinham@...
 

XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10 - it's all the same - plug and go


Geoff G8OFQ


Re: [Elecraft_K3] K3S and windows XP

William Conkling <bconk75@...>
 

What's the issue?  Plug in the USB cable and get on the air. 

...nr4c. bill


On Feb 4, 2016, at 6:52 AM, gm0kmj@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:

 

Has anyone got info on how to connect the K3S to a windows XP laptop,
Paul GM0KMJ



K3S and windows XP

gm0kmj
 

Has anyone got info on how to connect the K3S to a windows XP laptop,
Paul GM0KMJ



Re: Connecting a Skimmer to the P3

Stewart Rolfe
 

After listening to a talk on HF DXing at our club a couple of days ago I posted a brief primer of CW Skimmer on our club Facebook page. I used VP8SGI to illustrate with an accompanying screen shot, and I've put this in the files section in case it's any use. It's called "CW Skimmer and K3_LP Pan.pdf"

My setup here sounds virtually identical to Luther's except I have the 2nd receiver; I do like to hear both sides of the pileup when I can. Only thing I miss is being able to click in the band map to move the 2nd vfo to that frequency, like you can in NaP3.

I note some of the DQRMer saddos have taken to sitting on the dx qrg sending 'tu' continuously; I wonder when they'll start wandering up and down the pileup sending '5nn'......;-?

73,
Stew, GW0ETF/GW4J


---In Elecraft_K3@..., <n4uw@...> wrote :

Pete (and Bob):

Doesn't look like anyone else is going to reply, so I'll jump in.

I don't have a P3, but I use the following setup connected to my K3s IF output to work CW pileups:

LP-Pan (a specialized SDR) connected to the IF out

Output from LP-Pan goes to a high-quality sound card (Asus U5 or U7 are popular choices, and plug into a USB port on the PC )

Output from the sound card goes to a desktop PC running the following software:

LP-Bridge (virtual serial port creator/manager)
NaP3 for wide-view panadapter
CW Skimmer
Ham Radio Deluxe for general logging
WriteLog or N1MM for CW contesting

I don't have a 2nd receiver in my K3s, and do not think it is needed with this setup. For example, I have worked VP8STI & VP8SGI on several bands, all on CW, with 100 watts and wire antennas. Being able to see exactly where the DX is working stations is easy with CW Skimmer, since each station sending 5NN is flagged immediately. I don't even bother to listen to pileups anymore; I only listen on the DX's TX frequency. I think this setup is much more versatile than the P3 would be. As far as I know, there is not any way to get CW Skimmer to run with a P3. CW Skimmer requires I/Q audio to process. NaP3 is a software program that is very similar to the Power SDR program that the older Flex Radios use.

If you want to see my setup in action, search for N4UW on YouTube. I posted a couple of short screen-capture videos when K1N was on last year. Keep in mind the audio is coming from LP-Pan-sound card-NaP3 for demo purposes. I normally listen to the K3s audio direct; you can listen to the audio from the PC, but there is some latency to deal with, and of course you don't have all the advantages of the K3 filtering.

You might try searching YouTube for "K3 Panadapter" to see what others have done.

I am not very active on RTTY, so I don't know if any of the current digital mode programs will act like CW Skimmer does on RTTY pileups.

Other SDR receivers hooked to the K3s IF will also work, such as SDR-IQ, Perseus, SoftRock, or even the inexpensive dongles. I use the LP-Pan because it is optimized for this application, and it is not too expensive. Lots of info can be found at Telepost Inc. Home Page

 

 Click on "LP-Pan" on the left.

Trying to hook up both a P3 and a SDR setup to the K3 If might get tricky, and if you use a splitter arrangement, there will be some signal loss. I guess you could rig up a coax switch and cables and switch between them when you want to use the skimmer setup.

A fairly capable PC is needed to run all this software, along with multiple monitors. I use a home-built i7 3 GHz desktop, with 16 GB ram & 3 monitors. An Intel i3 would be about the minimum CPU required for desktops; i5 or i7 for laptops.

Hope all of this is some help, and good luck.

73,
Luther N4UW


Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: Connecting a Skimmer to the P3

Bob Hallock
 

Thanks Luther.  I am like Pete and order the LP Pan 2 today from Larry.
the frustration with this last dx expedition really pointed out the need to make
one more adjustment to the K3 station. 
Bob K7TM
Coeur d alene, ID 

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:45 PM, n4uw@... [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3@...> wrote:
 

Hello again guys, my comments are flagged with ****:


+++I'm curious. What do I need anything other than CW Skimmer for in this instance? The P3 is a great little device that does pretty well everything I need, except decode signals for 5NNs. That's really the only reason I want to go this route. If hams would behave themselves it wouldn't be necessary: DX calls G3XXX, only G3XXX gives his 5NN; find that, find the next one, figure out a pattern and you're in like Flint. Not so much when there are 1000 callers over a 15 kHz spread and 400-500 of them don't stop transmitting when G3XXX is giving his report.

****I agree totally, working rare stations would be much easier if everyone listened more and transmitted less, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. You are correct, CW Skimmer is the only application you need for analyzing pileups. Since I don't have a P3, I use NaP3 to spot activity that may be out of range of the skimmer display, and there are some other useful tricks you can do with it. CW Skimmer has its own built-in telenet server, and NaP3 can connect to it or an internet cluster and show callsigns on its display. The main advantage to connecting NaP3 to the skimmer server is you will only see spots for stations that you are actually receiving. This can also be used for contesting by connecting N1MM to the skimmer server, and you will only see stations on your N1MM bandmap that you are actually hearing. This can allow for much higher search & pounce rates. Using the skimmer does put you into the assisted category. For casual operating, I run all these programs, park the K3s on a band of interest, and go off and do other things and glance at the NaP3, Skimmer, and dx spot displays on HRD whenever I wander back into the shack. If I see something that warrants more attention, I'll check it out. If the band is dead, I'll switch to another one.

 +++ If you're only listening to the DX's frequency, how are you setting your transmit split?

*****The skimmer display resolution is high enough that you can easily see stations that are only 50 to 100 Hz apart as separate traces, and skimmer flags any station that sends 5NN with a red 599 box immediately, then leaves 599 on that callsign for a few more minutes. That makes it very easy to see where the DX is listening, and how he is moving around. I watch the skimmer display while listening to the DX's TX frequency with the K3s in split mode. Say VP8SGI is TX'ing on 14.02300, and I see a caller send 5NN on 14.02750, and the next 5NN I see is at 14.02760. So, I will simply adjust the K3s VFO B while glancing at the K3 display until VFO B is at 14.02760 or higher, and will look for a "hole" around that area to park in until I either work VP8SGI or he passes by me. After you get used to looking at the skimmer traces, you can actually decode CW visually if the stations are strong enough and have some separation. Hope that makes sense.

+++ I think there's something fundamental I'm not undersanding here; There's an IF OUT BNC connector on the back of the P3, which I assumed connects to the input of the LP-PAN2 (which I ordered earlier today, incidentally), which in turn generated the I/Q audio to feed the sound card that Skimmer uses. Is this not the correct input method?

*****Yes, as Bernie pointed out in his reply, you already have a way to split the IF signal and route it to your LP-Pan. I was not aware that the P3 had this jack. I did a quick scan of the P3 manual and noted that if you use that arrangement, there will be 3 dB loss in the IF signal levels going to both the P3 and the LP-Pan, as is expected with any splitter arrangement. That will probably not be a problem when looking at pileups of strong signals, though.

+++I use the full DX Lab Suite for general DX logging and N1MM Logger+ for contest logging, and rig control and virtual serial ports are generated by MicroHam Router software.

****Sounds like you are already well-equipped and have plenty of horsepower to run whatever combination of programs you desire. As you are probably already aware, you will need to assign a virtual serial port to CW Skimmer so it can track the K3s frequency. Good luck with your setup, and you might want to spend some time looking at the soundcard setup info on N8LP's website if you haven't already. Getting the sound card set correctly seems to be the biggest stumbling block that LP-Pan users run into. There is also a LP-Pan group here on Yahoo that is very helpful, and Larry answers many of the questions himself. (kinda like the support we get from Elecraft)

73,
Luther N4UW



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