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Re: [Elecraft_K3] K3 & TMP connectors

Jarmo Blomster
 

Hey Wayne & all, I didn't mean that K3 should be refactored. We are speculating imaginary K4, aren't we?
The TMP connectors in K3 bothers me a lot but I can stand them, even if they are not so rugged either.
I have had TMP jack that center spike is not any more in place because I've pushed the plug in wrong angle: you can't see where you push the plug if it's behind a shield.

The TMP connectors price muat be fraction of the connectors I mention but in any the connector price must be a fraction of the rig price (rig price is 2000$, proper connector price is maybe 1$)

Anyway thanks all for the discussion, see you on the bands

CUL 73 & HNY de OH8KVA, Jarmo






2013/12/31 Mel Farrer <farrerfolks@...>

 

Wayne,

I love the TMP connectors and have a long nose pliers with a tip right angle  that allow easy twist for insertion.  I don't remember where I got them, but they do the job better than straight long nose.  Cheers,

Mel, K6KBE




On Monday, December 30, 2013 2:02 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr@...> wrote:
Hi Jarmo,

Thanks for the additional input.

We looked at all of these connector families. They all have serious disadvantages, which is why we (and many RF product manufacturers) are using TMP connectors.

TMP connectors occupy far less space than SMA/SMB/SMC. They're far more rugged than MCX/MMCX/U.FL. And they're a small fraction of the cost of any of them. Switching to other connectors would force us to redesign the K3 to be larger, change most of the internal shielding, and increase the price by something in the hundred-dollar range.

Better to just live with the little twist required to get TMP connectors plugged in :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Dec 30, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Jarmo Blomster <jarmoblo@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Wayne,
> I wish to see something like SMA/SMB/SMC or maybe MCX or MMCX or even U.FL.
> They are also very small, have excellent RF performance, can be directly mount on PC boards  and when you connect them you know when they are in place.
> This is just my wish list to Santa.
>
> 73 de OH8KVA Jarmo
>
>
>
> 2013/12/30 Wayne Burdick <n6kr@...>
> Jarmo,
>
> TMP plugs are a little fussy to insert, I agree, but they solve multiple problems and are not easily replaced with something else. They have very high retention; are very small; directly mount on PC boards; and can be arranged so they contact sheet metal when required for grounding. They have excellent RF performance, too.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Dec 30, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Jarmo Blomster <jarmoblo@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > If I should choose just one, then it is 5) better sockets for internal coaxial cables.
>
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Re: [Elecraft_K3] What would you like to see on your K4 next Christmas

Rick Bates <HappyMoosePhoto@...>
 

With a FAST stereo audio codec on the same port, control AND audio (from both receivers).

 

Rick wa6nhc

 


From: Jack W6NF

 

On 12/30/2013 10:46 AM, Jeff Stai wrote:

�

From a RTTY perspective:

- single USB interface that would allow both rig control and keying FSK

 

This single feature, mentioned by others but not specifically for RTTY, would be a huge asset.


Re: [Elecraft_K3] What would you like to see on your K4 next Christmas

Joe Subich, W4TV
 

You'll never get away from ops who believe a big front panel loaded
with knobs and displays makes a radio perform better.
No but a somewhat larger front panel with a few more dedicated buttons
would make the radio easier to use. I don't like the triple function
SUB button, that APF is a *second* function on a rarely used XFIL,
that SPLIT is a second function on A->B, that B SET is a second
function on A/B and that there are no direct band switch selection
keys (unless one further overloads the existing buttons by using
M->V as a "shift" key).

While the compromise may be acceptable for a "trail" radio, another
2" in width and 1" in height to accommodate a more ergonomically
comfortable interface would certainly be appreciated for a "home"
rig.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 12/30/2013 10:05 PM, n2cu@roadrunner.com wrote:
You'll never get away from ops who believe a big front panel loaded with knobs and displays makes a radio perform better. The fact is that the most often used controls on the K3 are right up front. Set and forget items are in the menus and second function keys. I try not to read other lists because everybody who paid $$$ for their radio will think it is the best... at least until they give the K3 a try!

73,
Tom N2CU <><
K3 #3582


Re: [Elecraft_K3] What would you like to see on your K4 next Christmas

mikerodgerske5gbc
 

Yeah but many have left the k3 for something else. It hard to argue with that. 

73
Mike R

Bluegrass white snow
      - Patty Loveless

On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:05 PM, <n2cu@...> wrote:

 

You'll never get away from ops who believe a big front panel loaded with knobs and displays makes a radio perform better. The fact is that the most often used controls on the K3 are right up front. Set and forget items are in the menus and second function keys. I try not to read other lists because everybody who paid $$$ for their radio will think it is the best... at least until they give the K3 a try!

73,
Tom N2CU <><
K3 #3582


Re: [Elecraft_K3] What would you like to see on your K4 next Christmas

Thomas Williams
 

You'll never get away from ops who believe a big front panel loaded with knobs and displays makes a radio perform better. The fact is that the most often used controls on the K3 are right up front. Set and forget items are in the menus and second function keys. I try not to read other lists because everybody who paid $$$ for their radio will think it is the best... at least until they give the K3 a try!

73,
Tom N2CU <><
K3 #3582


Re: [Elecraft_K3] Err Key Message

william conkling <bconk75@...>
 

Use the Utility to setup the filters.

...bill

On Dec 30, 2013 7:43 PM, "C. Rubenfeld" <cary@...> wrote:
 

Hello to All;
All of you were correct!
Each of the options had somehow been reset to uninstalled.  Following the protical on page 47 (Option Modules Enable) got everything back online.  I still have to work through the Filter Enables separately.  
For now, the rig is back to almost normal.  

Thanks to everyone for your guidance.  
Cary
P.S. Dick at Elecraft - do you really work on Sundays?  (impressive)


On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Dick Dievendorff <dick@...> wrote:

Most of this is in the “option module enables” section of the K3 Owner Manual.

 

You use the K3 Menu system to tell the firmware what modules (sub receiver, amplifier, antenna tuner, DVR) you have physically installed. 

 

See  http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740107%20K3%20Owner's%20man%20D10sm.pdf

 

Starting at about page 46.

 

Crystal filter setup can be done with the K3 Utility. But you need to go thru “Option Module Enables” on page 47.

 

73 de Dick, K6KR

 

From: Elecraft_K3@... [mailto:Elecraft_K3@...] On Behalf Of C. Rubenfeld


Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:21 AM
To: Elecraft_K3@...

Subject: Re: [Elecraft_K3] Err Key Message

 

 

A few questions  before I begin.

I ordered my K3 assembled, so I am at a disadvantage to knowing each module.  

I'me checking each of the functions. I'm also getting the messages:

 - NO SUB - when I try to turn on Sub Receiver.  The same goes for DVR

 - NO DVR

 

When I go into CONFIG and TECH Mode, for KPA3 it's saying not installed (not inST).  I haven't been able to find ATU.

 

Do I use the K3 Utility to check or reset any of these functions?

 

Thanks Again.

 



Re: Some notes regading software K3

Lee Hatfield
 

Has there been any work done on making the Auto notch filter work better?
My 1996 era Yaesu FT-920 notch filter does Not distort the audio nearly as bad as the K3 one.

There are times when I can Hear stations better using my FT-920 than I can on the K3.

HNY 2014 :)

Thanks 73 K2HAT Lee Hatfield


Re: [Elecraft_K3] What would you like to see on your K4 next Christmas

mikerodgerske5gbc
 

This K4 comes up every now and then.
For newcomers, there are those that have been fantasizing for quite a spell for a bigger heavier K4 with single purpose switches and knobs somewhere in size to a Ft-1000 or Orion II.

I'm happy with the K3 and couldn't afford a K4 anyway.

I do hate seeing the K3 beat up on some other lists. I guess one drawback to a ever evolving rig is any problems from early carry forward in its reputation.

73
Mike R

Bluegrass white snow
- Patty Loveless


K3/100 for Sale

Rob H
 

Hello,  I'm offering my K3 for sale. I am the proud new owner of a KX3.  The radio contains:

K3/100, K3 100W Xcvr
KBPF3, K3 Gen. Coverage RX Module
KFL3A-6K, K3 6 kHz, 8 pole filter
KFL3B-FM, K3 FM b/w, 8 pole filter
KTCXO3-1, K3 TCXO (1ppm)
KXV3, K3 RX Ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Int f.       
MH2, Hand Mic. for K2/K3

Serial Number 2002.  Most Modifications are already completed.

Asking $2200 and will pay shipping and insurance within the U.S.


Please contact me at:
sp8cadet@..., or 925-984-3672

Regards,

Rob (K6RFH)


Re: [Elecraft_K3] Some notes regading software K3

Dale J. <dj2001x@...>
 

I am for one seriously glad to hear that. I don't like changing radios every other year. Been there and done it too many times. I like what I have now (K3 & company) and don't want to change. Tweaking the FW and improving the HW is fine though as we go along.

73
Dale, K9VUJ
K3 2268

On 30, Dec 2013, at 16:52, Wayne Burdick <n6kr@elecraft.com> wrote:

First of all, there is NO plan for a K4. We are strongly committed to ongoing firmware and documentation updates to our current K-line components -- K3, P3, KAT500, KPA500. But we certainly appreciate all of the "Christmas list" input :)


...the K3 is still top of the list…
Indeed it is :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR





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[Elecraft_P3] Transmitted signal

Bill [NS4C] <ns4c@...>
 

Elecraft,

Is the ability to monitor ones transmitted signal with the P3 going to come
to fruition in 2014?

73 Bill NS4C


Re: Some notes regading software K3

 

First of all, there is NO plan for a K4. We are strongly committed to ongoing firmware and documentation updates to our current K-line components -- K3, P3, KAT500, KPA500. But we certainly appreciate all of the "Christmas list" input :)


...the K3 is still top of the list…
Indeed it is :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: K3 & TMP connectors

Ian White
 


TMP plugs are a little fussy to insert, I agree, but they solve
multiple
problems and are not easily replaced with something else. They have
very
high retention; are very small; directly mount on PC boards; and can be
arranged so they contact sheet metal when required for grounding. They
have excellent RF performance, too.

73,
Wayne
N6KR
Agreed - the only problems with TMP connectors are when they have not
been correctly inserted. When a TMP plug has been fully and correctly
inserted, it's there to stay.

HINT: hemostat forceps make a wonderful difference when 'operating'
inside the K3! The finger loops and ratchet lock allow far better
control than conventional long-nose pliers, so hemostats make it much
easier to insert the TMP plugs into tight places.

The firm grip and long reach also allow many other jobs inside the K3 to
be done with far less disturbance and disassembly than is suggested in
the user manuals. For example, the "12V DC Current Modification" can be
completed without any need to remove the KPA100; and the entire
KIO3/KXV3 stack can be disassembled and replaced without needing to
remove the KRX3 module. The ratchet lock is also ideal for positioning
screws, washers and nuts in hard-to-reach locations.

Hemostats are very easy to find on eBay, or from many other suppliers of
small tools (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemostat gives several
alternative names to search for). They are available in a range of
sizes, either straight or bent, and either with or without the ratchet
lock. The straight 8-inch style is good for most jobs inside the K3.


73 from Ian GM3SEK


Some notes regading software K3

pa5ca
 

A couple of you guys been talking about the K4.. IMHO the development of a K4 can wait.. the K3 is still top of the list.. (personal opinion)
However two things came to my attention during my short usage (3 months) of my K3 (kit build # 7675)
I have found the auto notch less effective in comparison to my Icom 706MKII, the K3 seems to be much slower and has problems killing tuning signals or birdies when they vary in frequency. Tuning signals and birdies who have some sort of tremolo can not be handled at all by the K3 auto notch, the 706 delivers a better job.

My next question/ request would it be possible to increase the monitor audio level.. it stops at 60... could it be changed to 100... where you have to go in config to allow the extra 40 steps... (fore those who need the ear protection... Hi). 

For all... happy new year, good health, prosperity and lots of K3 fun in 2014.

 73,

Frans (PA5CA)


Re: [Elecraft_K3] K3 & TMP connectors

Mel Farrer <farrerfolks@...>
 

Wayne,

I love the TMP connectors and have a long nose pliers with a tip right angle  that allow easy twist for insertion.  I don't remember where I got them, but they do the job better than straight long nose.  Cheers,

Mel, K6KBE



On Monday, December 30, 2013 2:02 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
Hi Jarmo,

Thanks for the additional input.

We looked at all of these connector families. They all have serious disadvantages, which is why we (and many RF product manufacturers) are using TMP connectors.

TMP connectors occupy far less space than SMA/SMB/SMC. They're far more rugged than MCX/MMCX/U.FL. And they're a small fraction of the cost of any of them. Switching to other connectors would force us to redesign the K3 to be larger, change most of the internal shielding, and increase the price by something in the hundred-dollar range.

Better to just live with the little twist required to get TMP connectors plugged in :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Dec 30, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Jarmo Blomster <jarmoblo@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Wayne,
> I wish to see something like SMA/SMB/SMC or maybe MCX or MMCX or even U.FL.
> They are also very small, have excellent RF performance, can be directly mount on PC boards  and when you connect them you know when they are in place.
> This is just my wish list to Santa.
>
> 73 de OH8KVA Jarmo
>
>
>
> 2013/12/30 Wayne Burdick <n6kr@...>
> Jarmo,
>
> TMP plugs are a little fussy to insert, I agree, but they solve multiple problems and are not easily replaced with something else. They have very high retention; are very small; directly mount on PC boards; and can be arranged so they contact sheet metal when required for grounding. They have excellent RF performance, too.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Dec 30, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Jarmo Blomster <jarmoblo@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > If I should choose just one, then it is 5) better sockets for internal coaxial cables.
>
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Re: [Elecraft_K3] K3 & TMP connectors

 

Hi Jarmo,

Thanks for the additional input.

We looked at all of these connector families. They all have serious disadvantages, which is why we (and many RF product manufacturers) are using TMP connectors.

TMP connectors occupy far less space than SMA/SMB/SMC. They're far more rugged than MCX/MMCX/U.FL. And they're a small fraction of the cost of any of them. Switching to other connectors would force us to redesign the K3 to be larger, change most of the internal shielding, and increase the price by something in the hundred-dollar range.

Better to just live with the little twist required to get TMP connectors plugged in :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Dec 30, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Jarmo Blomster <jarmoblo@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi Wayne,
I wish to see something like SMA/SMB/SMC or maybe MCX or MMCX or even U.FL.
They are also very small, have excellent RF performance, can be directly mount on PC boards and when you connect them you know when they are in place.
This is just my wish list to Santa.

73 de OH8KVA Jarmo



2013/12/30 Wayne Burdick <n6kr@elecraft.com>
Jarmo,

TMP plugs are a little fussy to insert, I agree, but they solve multiple problems and are not easily replaced with something else. They have very high retention; are very small; directly mount on PC boards; and can be arranged so they contact sheet metal when required for grounding. They have excellent RF performance, too.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Dec 30, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Jarmo Blomster <jarmoblo@gmail.com> wrote:


If I should choose just one, then it is 5) better sockets for internal coaxial cables.




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Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: K3 & TMP connectors

Randy Farmer W8FN
 

Yikes! These types of connectors are EXTREMELY expensive. To replace all the internal RF connectors of the K3 on both PC boards and interconnect cables with these things would grossly inflate the price of the transceiver without improving its performance in any way. I'd much rather spend my money on things that make the radio work better. Like it or not, we're dealing with consumer electronics (albeit a niche market) here. Elecraft products have been deployed successfully on DXPeditions to some of the inhospitable climates on the planet. Unless and until reliability problems appear there's no need to change the internal RF connectors at this time.
  
73...
Randy, W8FN

On 12/30/2013 2:30 PM, Jarmo Blomster wrote:
 
Hi Wayne,
I wish to see something like SMA/SMB/SMC or maybe MCX or MMCX or even U.FL.
They are also very small, have excellent RF performance, can be directly mount on PC boards  and when you connect them you know when they are in place.
This is just my wish list to Santa.

73 de OH8KVA Jarmo


Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: K3 & TMP connectors

Jarmo Blomster
 

Hi Wayne,
I wish to see something like SMA/SMB/SMC or maybe MCX or MMCX or even U.FL.
They are also very small, have excellent RF performance, can be directly mount on PC boards  and when you connect them you know when they are in place.
This is just my wish list to Santa.

73 de OH8KVA Jarmo



2013/12/30 Wayne Burdick <n6kr@...>

Jarmo,

TMP plugs are a little fussy to insert, I agree, but they solve multiple problems and are not easily replaced with something else. They have very high retention; are very small; directly mount on PC boards; and can be arranged so they contact sheet metal when required for grounding. They have excellent RF performance, too.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Dec 30, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Jarmo Blomster <jarmoblo@...> wrote:

>
> If I should choose just one, then it is 5) better sockets for internal coaxial cables.





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Re: [Elecraft_K3] What would you like to see on your K4 next Christmas

jbollit@ymail.com
 

 
Buttons?
TMP Connectors?
Color Display?
 
Set your sights  a little higher!
 
How about QRM cancellation?  Sample the low rumble or high pitch duck from an adjacent SSB station, and completely eliminate it.
 
QRN noise cancel circuit that is easy and simple to adjust and give 40 plus dB reduction in QRN if phased properly (QRN reduction using current analog ckts can give 40 plus dB).  Make it capable of eliminating a minimum of two noise sources (We are getting more NOISE in the spectrum, not less)
 
Multiple CW QRM signals cancellation, capable of eliminating "adjacent" CW signals that are 10-20 Hz from the signal you are trying to hear on simplex.
 
If you can't hear em.........................
 
Jim
WA9ZBV
 


Re: [Elecraft_K3] What would you like to see on your K4 next Christmas

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On 12/30/2013 10:46 AM, Jeff Stai wrote:
�
From a RTTY perspective:

- single USB interface that would allow both rig control and keying FSK


This single feature, mentioned by others but not specifically for RTTY, would be a huge asset.

-- 
Jack, W6NF/VE4SNA
Shelley, K7MKL
Reno, NV



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