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Re: QSF-06 has gone nuts

Andreas Rehberg
 

is the DUO PTT line working - does the TX LED on the QSF turn on when transmitting?
 
are the filters configured correctly in SW2 - do you hear something through the QSF?
 
73, Andy, DF4WC
 
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My ELAD DUO transceiver works great and no problems with the software (FDM-SW2 recent beta version) on my Windows 7 PC . . . yet.  I have worked many QRP contacts already on CW, 40 meters and 20 meters. Excellent CW reception without doubt.  This radio matches my K3 and Flex 6500 receiver-wise.

 

I am having a nightmare with the QSF-06 preselector.  Here's my horror story--

 

1. I ordered the QSF-06 and three filters(40, 30, and 17 meters).  No problems with the install of the three filter boards.

2. The QSF-06 was connected to my DUO precisely as ordered by the operator's manual.

3  When I change bands with either the PC or the DUO, the QSF-06 tracks exactly and instantly, no problems evident.

4  However, when I attempt to transmit I get "HIGH  SWR" warning on the DUO.

 

If I disconnect the QSF-06 totally and reconnect my antenna coax to the DUO's RF output (the SO-239 marked RTX/TX) there no problem transmitting and I get SWR 1.1 with my present antenna system.

 

It appears to me that the QSF-06 is not switching my radio's transmitter output to the antenna and my DUO is thus seeing an open circuit at the RTX/TX coax attachment point.  I have read the skimpy QSF-06 owner's manual many times, gone online searching for help, etc and find no clues anywhere.  Am awaiting an answer from ELAD but don't hold your breath.

 

I have been licensed ham operator for 60 years and have owned a lot of sophisticated gear.  The DUO radio is fabulous but there is something crazy about my QSF-06 and I simply cannot discover it.

 

Help!

 

Re: QSF-06 has gone nuts

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

Does it work with the control cable disconnected?  There should be a DC path from the TX to the ANT connection when the relay is not energised.

Perhaps some DC tests might show what is going on?   If the relay is not dropping out, there will be no DC path when you go on transmit with the control cable in. (terminate the DUO antenna with a dummy load or matched antenna while doing that test obviously!

Neil G4DBN


On 05/12/2016 14:26, nk7blee@... [elad_sdr_en] wrote:
 

My ELAD DUO transceiver works great and no problems with the software (FDM-SW2 recent beta version) on my Windows 7 PC . . . yet.  I have worked many QRP contacts already on CW, 40 meters and 20 meters. Excellent CW reception without doubt.  This radio matches my K3 and Flex 6500 receiver-wise.


I am having a nightmare with the QSF-06 preselector.  Here's my horror story--


1. I ordered the QSF-06 and three filters(40, 30, and 17 meters).  No problems with the install of the three filter boards.

2. The QSF-06 was connected to my DUO precisely as ordered by the operator's manual.

3  When I change bands with either the PC or the DUO, the QSF-06 tracks exactly and instantly, no problems evident.

4  However, when I attempt to transmit I get "HIGH  SWR" warning on the DUO! .


If I disconnect the QSF-06 totally and reconnect my antenna coax to the DUO's RF output (the SO-239 marked RTX/TX) there no problem transmitting and I get SWR 1.1 with my present antenna system.


It appears to me that the QSF-06 is not switching my radio's transmitter output to the antenna and my DUO is thus seeing an open circuit at the RTX/TX coax attachment point.  I have read the skimpy QSF-06 owner's manual many times, gone online searching for help, etc and find no clues anywhere.  Am awaiting an answer from ELAD but don't hold your breath.


I have been licensed ham operator for 60 years and have owned a lot of sophisticated gear.  The DUO radio is fabulous but there is something crazy about my QSF-06 and I simply cannot discover it.


Help!





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QSF-06 has gone nuts

James Lee
 

My ELAD DUO transceiver works great and no problems with the software (FDM-SW2 recent beta version) on my Windows 7 PC . . . yet.  I have worked many QRP contacts already on CW, 40 meters and 20 meters. Excellent CW reception without doubt.  This radio matches my K3 and Flex 6500 receiver-wise.


I am having a nightmare with the QSF-06 preselector.  Here's my horror story--


1. I ordered the QSF-06 and three filters(40, 30, and 17 meters).  No problems with the install of the three filter boards.

2. The QSF-06 was connected to my DUO precisely as ordered by the operator's manual.

3  When I change bands with either the PC or the DUO, the QSF-06 tracks exactly and instantly, no problems evident.

4  However, when I attempt to transmit I get "HIGH  SWR" warning on the DUO.


If I disconnect the QSF-06 totally and reconnect my antenna coax to the DUO's RF output (the SO-239 marked RTX/TX) there no problem transmitting and I get SWR 1.1 with my present antenna system.


It appears to me that the QSF-06 is not switching my radio's transmitter output to the antenna and my DUO is thus seeing an open circuit at the RTX/TX coax attachment point.  I have read the skimpy QSF-06 owner's manual many times, gone online searching for help, etc and find no clues anywhere.  Am awaiting an answer from ELAD but don't hold your breath.


I have been licensed ham operator for 60 years and have owned a lot of sophisticated gear.  The DUO radio is fabulous but there is something crazy about my QSF-06 and I simply cannot discover it.


Help!

Re: Newbie USB audio question

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

I replied in haste when half asleep sorry!  I sent a modified message once I re-read the original question properly, but it seems to have disappeared into Yahoo-space.

Of course Andy and Tony are right. if you have the three USBs connected to the laptop, you just select the right audio stream for in and out and it works fine.

On my WSJT-10 I select these:

Audio     Input    Output     Device Name
Device  Channels  Channels
------------------------------------------------------------------
   0        2         0       Microsoft Sound Mapper - Input
   1        2         0       Line 1 (Virtual Audio Cable)
   2        2         0       Line (FDM-DUO Audio Device)
   3        2         0       Line 3 (Virtual Audio Cable)
   4        2         0       Microphone (FDM-DUO Audio Devic
   5        2         0       Line 2 (Virtual Audio Cable)
   6        0         2       Microsoft Sound Mapper - Output
   7        0         2       Speakers (Realtek High Definiti
   8        0         2       Line 2 (Virtual Audio Cable)
   9        0         2       Line (FDM-DUO Audio Device)
  10        0         2       Line 3 (Virtual Audio Cable)
  11        0         2       Realtek Digital Output (Realtek
  12        0         2       E2442-4 (NVIDIA High Definition
  13        0         2       Line 1 (Virtual Audio Cable)

User requested devices:   Input =  2   Output =  9
Default devices:          Input =  0   Output =  6
Will open devices:        Input =  2   Output =  9
Audio streams running normally.
******************************************************************

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Re: Newbie USB audio question

Tony Baldwin <tonybaldwin@...>
 

Nothing wrong with your English Andy, or your information.

I too run many digital programs with my DUO, as Andy says just search for ELAD in the soundcard selection (TX & RX) and TS480 for the CAT.
No need for any interface or FDM2.

Tony, EI8JK.


On 05/12/2016 11:44, Andy arehberg@... [elad_sdr_en] wrote:
 
Hi Matt,

Maybe I missed something or my English isn't good enough - Well, I've running that configuration
on my old S10 notebook. In wsjt configure cat for TS 480 and the Duo embedded soundcard
under audio.

73, Andy, DF4WC
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Am 05.12.2016, 12:01, "matthew@... [elad_sdr_en]" schrieb:
 

Hi Neil


Many thanks for the reply. You have the same setup working as I have in place. However what I wanted to be able to do was work the digital modes such as JT65 without running the FDM2 software. In other words just let the XSJT-X software control the radio with CAT over the USB(serial connection) and connect Tx audio and Rx audio over the USB audio connection. Currently this seems not possible which I will be honest is a bit of a disappointment. I have some idea to go portable with a small low powered laptop that is not really up to running FDM2 but would cope with WSJT-X.

I just think I must be missing a configuration somewhere. Any way thanks for the reply and help.

Matt (g6wpj)


Re: Newbie USB audio question

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

I also misunderstood the issue, sorry!  Of course you can use the FDM audio device if you have enough USB ports and don't need SW2 unless you want to use one of the remote modes. 

For example, I have this setup in WSJT10 without SW2 running.  It also works with device 1 for input (VAC).

Neil G4DBN




On 05/12/2016 11:44, Andy arehberg@... [elad_sdr_en] wrote:
 
Hi Matt,

Maybe I missed something or my English isn't good enough - Well, I've running that configuration
on my old S10 notebook. In wsjt configure cat for TS 480 and the Duo embedded soundcard
under audio.

73, Andy, DF4WC
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Am 05.12.2016, 12:01, "matthew@... [elad_sdr_en]" schrieb:
 

Hi Neil


Many thanks for the reply. You have the same setup working as I have in place. However what I wanted to be able to do was work the digital modes such as JT65 without running the FDM2 software. In other words just let the XSJT-X software control the radio with CAT over the USB(serial connection) and connect Tx audio and Rx audio over the USB audio connection. Currently this seems not possible which I will be honest is a bit of a disappointment. I have some idea to go portable with a small low powered laptop that is not really up to running FDM2 but would cope with WSJT-X.

I just think I must be missing a configuration somewhere. Any way thanks for the reply and help.

Matt (g6wpj)





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Re: Newbie USB audio question

Andreas Rehberg
 

Hi Matt,

Maybe I missed something or my English isn't good enough - Well, I've running that configuration
on my old S10 notebook. In wsjt configure cat for TS 480 and the Duo embedded soundcard
under audio.

73, Andy, DF4WC
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Am 05.12.2016, 12:01, "matthew@... [elad_sdr_en]" schrieb:

 

Hi Neil


Many thanks for the reply. You have the same setup working as I have in place. However what I wanted to be able to do was work the digital modes such as JT65 without running the FDM2 software. In other words just let the XSJT-X software control the radio with CAT over the USB(serial connection) and connect Tx audio and Rx audio over the USB audio connection. Currently this seems not possible which I will be honest is a bit of a disappointment. I have some idea to go portable with a small low powered laptop that is not really up to running FDM2 but would cope with WSJT-X.

I just think I must be missing a configuration somewhere. Any way thanks for the reply and help.

Matt (g6wpj)

Re: Newbie USB audio question

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

Yeah, that's the problem with having a proprietary I/Q audio system.  Only way would be to make up an interface with some isolation for the audio into the mic socket, and take the audio in to the laptop from the AUX socket.  It might be possible to use a 600 ohm audio isolation transformer and attenuator pad, plus a series DC isolation capacitor, making a little interface box with RJ45 socket for a short, screened patch lead and a 3.5 jack socket for a lead lead to the audio out of the sound card.  Could still use CAT commands and the RTS for PTT.

Neil


On 05/12/2016 11:01, matthew@... [elad_sdr_en] wrote:
 

Hi Neil


Many thanks for the reply. You have the same setup working as I have in place. However what I wanted to be able to do was work the digital modes such as JT65 without running the FDM2 software. In other words just let the XSJT-X software control the radio with CAT over the USB(serial connection) and connect Tx audio and Rx audio over the USB audio connection. Currently this seems not possible which I will be honest is a bit of a disappointment. I have some idea to go portable with a small low powered laptop that is not really up to running FDM2 but would cope with WSJT-X.

I just think I must be missing a configuration somewhere. Any way thanks for the reply and help.

Matt (g6wpj)





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Re: Newbie USB audio question

Matthew Phillips
 

Hi Neil

Many thanks for the reply. You have the same setup working as I have in place. However what I wanted to be able to do was work the digital modes such as JT65 without running the FDM2 software. In other words just let the XSJT-X software control the radio with CAT over the USB(serial connection) and connect Tx audio and Rx audio over the USB audio connection. Currently this seems not possible which I will be honest is a bit of a disappointment. I have some idea to go portable with a small low powered laptop that is not really up to running FDM2 but would cope with WSJT-X.

I just think I must be missing a configuration somewhere. Any way thanks for the reply and help.

Matt (g6wpj)

Re: Software help

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

Hi Harris, if you type a frequency, the software will go to that. It remembers the last frequency.  you should be able to tune with the Duo knob or keyboard arrows or by clicking on the waterfall.  You have to click the start button to start it up.  In the SET menu there is a check-on to start demodulation automatically each time.

Manuals are on the website, the SW2 manual is at http://sdr.eladit.com/FDM-sw2%20Software/Doc/index.php?lang=EN

No official vids but have a read of the manual to get a general idea.

The three USBs can connect in any order.

It is a good idea to get the firmware and software up to date, but 1.104 is ok to start with.  The latest beta version has a small problem so avoid that for now.

The first week is the worst! After that it all starts to make sense.  Ask on here when you get stuck.
Neil G4DBN


On 5 Dec 2016, at 07:20, vk6av@... [elad_sdr_en] <elad_sdr_en@...> wrote:


I just got my FDM DUO running. All is well in stand-alone mod. Now about SDR mode, First there are three separate but different USB cables. Which cables goes in which input or does it not matter? With all three cables randomly plugged into the DUO and my PC (Win 7), I then start up Elad FDM SW2 Ver 1.104 Beta. I have figured out how to turn it on but that is about all. Usually when I turn it on it switches both VFOs to 10.7000 Mhz, why I do not know. Have not been able to get it off of that frequency as shown on the radio.


I have searched in vain for a manual that describes the software and how to use it. Have also searched for instructional videos without success. Is there a manual? Are there any training videos? All help will be greatly appreciated.

73

Harris K9RJ



Software help

Harris Leck
 

I just got my FDM DUO running. All is well in stand-alone mod. Now about SDR mode, First there are three separate but different USB cables. Which cables goes in which input or does it not matter? With all three cables randomly plugged into the DUO and my PC (Win 7), I then start up Elad FDM SW2 Ver 1.104 Beta. I have figured out how to turn it on but that is about all. Usually when I turn it on it switches both VFOs to 10.7000 Mhz, why I do not know. Have not been able to get it off of that frequency as shown on the radio.


I have searched in vain for a manual that describes the software and how to use it. Have also searched for instructional videos without success. Is there a manual? Are there any training videos? All help will be greatly appreciated.

73

Harris K9RJ

Re: FDM-DUO MARS/CAP Extendend

f4ega@...
 

R94 is on the upper mid left side of the rig as it faces you.  That PC board is under a shield so you need to remove it in order to see it and the lettering is hard to see but its there. 
 
R94 located close to the STM32F429 IC
 
With this indication you’ll find without problem and no need to take out some boards, the location is under the cover.
 
Good luck.
73
Patrick
F4EGA
 
 

From: Darwin Lambeth darwinlambeth@... [elad_sdr_en]
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 11:51 PM
To: elad_sdr_en@...
Subject: Re: [elad_sdr_en] FDM-DUO MARS/CAP Extendend
 
 

Okay Pat, I will make if a project for a day. I looked under the cover briefly but the resistor was not clearly visible. I'm assuming I will need to take out some boards to get to the TX section. There is no service manual or documentation, flying blind. : \

Thanks again,



On Sunday, December 4, 2016 4:06 PM, "f4ega@... [elad_sdr_en]" wrote:


 
The mod working fine, i do it on my FDM-DUO without a problem.
 
Take your time and you’ll find the resistor.
 
73
Patrick
F4EGA
 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 10:51 PM
Subject: [elad_sdr_en] FDM-DUO MARS/CAP Extendend
 
 
 
I have seen very little information on a MARS mod for the FDM-DUO, but it appears it may exist (Remove R94 from XMIT board). Does anyone have any idea if this mod is available.

Regards,
K5RWD


FS: FDM-DUO w/ BlueDuo Dongle

n1gp@...
 

Elad FDM DUO HF/6M radio in mint condition, new in Aug ’15. Low operating time. Latest firmware installed which supports the BluDuo Dongle (see http://www.hamradioscience.com/wireless-touch-screen-remote-for-the-elad-fdm-duo). Ships in factory box with all factory accessories included. Sold as is, no trades. Price $825. Contact me via email for more info or pics, Tnx.

-Rick / N1GP


Re: FDM-DUO MARS/CAP Extendend

Darwin Lambeth
 

Okay Pat, I will make if a project for a day. I looked under the cover briefly but the resistor was not clearly visible. I'm assuming I will need to take out some boards to get to the TX section. There is no service manual or documentation, flying blind. : \

Thanks again,



On Sunday, December 4, 2016 4:06 PM, "f4ega@... [elad_sdr_en]" wrote:


 
The mod working fine, i do it on my FDM-DUO without a problem.
 
Take your time and you’ll find the resistor.
 
73
Patrick
F4EGA
 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 10:51 PM
Subject: [elad_sdr_en] FDM-DUO MARS/CAP Extendend
 
 
 
I have seen very little information on a MARS mod for the FDM-DUO, but it appears it may exist (Remove R94 from XMIT board). Does anyone have any idea if this mod is available.

Regards,
K5RWD


Re: FDM-DUO MARS/CAP Extendend

f4ega@...
 

The mod working fine, i do it on my FDM-DUO without a problem.
 
Take your time and you’ll find the resistor.
 
73
Patrick
F4EGA
 

From: Darwin Lambeth darwinlambeth@... [elad_sdr_en]
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 10:51 PM
To: elad_sdr_en@...
Subject: [elad_sdr_en] FDM-DUO MARS/CAP Extendend
 
 

 
I have seen very little information on a MARS mod for the FDM-DUO, but it appears it may exist (Remove R94 from XMIT board). Does anyone have any idea if this mod is available.

Regards,
K5RWD

FDM-DUO MARS/CAP Extendend

Darwin Lambeth
 


I have seen very little information on a MARS mod for the FDM-DUO, but it appears it may exist (Remove R94 from XMIT board). Does anyone have any idea if this mod is available.

Regards,
K5RWD

Re: FDM-DUO external tuner

Alberto I2PHD
 

On 12/4/2016 4:16 AM, physics1@... [elad_sdr_en] wrote:

There is on thing we need to qualify. When we say a balun into a non resonant antenna at the feedpoint is a really bad idea, such as Neal pointed out, we are talking about the 4:1 or 9:1 or similar baluns. The baluns that are merely ferrite beads inside a pvc pipe, that are used to prevent common mode rf feedback are ok at the feedpoint. These are different animals and the ones typically sold for dipoles.

Yes. Those baluns, better named as RF chockes, are what I normally use when connecting a unbalanced RG-213 coax cable
to a balanced antenna, whatever its type. They were described by W2DU, who was in the eighties a chief designer of
antennas for the NASA space probes.

This is a picture taken just before I did my last install :




The cable is an RG-213, and the ferrite cores are of an high permeability type (don't ask me the exact part number...), with
the hole just right for that kind of coax cable.

--
73 Alberto I2PHD
Credo Ut Intelligam


Re: FDM-DUO external tuner

raysdz <raysdz@...>
 

Carl

Thanks for reply .  This hobby brings people to the table with much to offer. I enjoy reading all the posts. I learn a little more each day.

Thanks



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-------- Original message --------
From: "physics1@... [elad_sdr_en]" <elad_sdr_en@...>
Date: 12/3/16 10:16 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: elad_sdr_en@...
Subject: Re: [elad_sdr_en] Re: FDM-DUO external tuner

 

Ramon,
Its ok. Its a really complex subject that has more than one solution. There are also lots of well informed opinions based on experience and analysis. The yahoo antenna groups are a hotbed of activity.
There is on thing we need to qualify. When we say a balun into a non resonant antenna at the feedpoint is a really bad idea, such as Neal pointed out, we are talking about the 4:1 or 9:1 or similar baluns. The baluns that are merely ferrite beads inside a pvc pipe, that are used to prevent common mode rf feedback are ok at the feedpoint. These are different animals and the ones typically sold for dipoles.
Neals comments about coax selection exagerating the loss differences in that article may be dead on. The analysis techniques will still apply with better coax and show the same general results with lower losses.
The whole subject is very complicated. My best advice to anyone wanting to understand antennas is study study study.
Carl K0YCR

Re: FDM-DUO external tuner

carl watterson
 

Ramon,
Its ok. Its a really complex subject that has more than one solution. There are also lots of well informed opinions based on experience and analysis. The yahoo antenna groups are a hotbed of activity.
There is on thing we need to qualify. When we say a balun into a non resonant antenna at the feedpoint is a really bad idea, such as Neal pointed out, we are talking about the 4:1 or 9:1 or similar baluns. The baluns that are merely ferrite beads inside a pvc pipe, that are used to prevent common mode rf feedback are ok at the feedpoint. These are different animals and the ones typically sold for dipoles.
Neals comments about coax selection exagerating the loss differences in that article may be dead on. The analysis techniques will still apply with better coax and show the same general results with lower losses.
The whole subject is very complicated. My best advice to anyone wanting to understand antennas is study study study.
Carl K0YCR

Re: FDM-DUO external tuner

Ramon Klein <raysdz@...>
 

Bet you are happy I inquired about ATU units. Sorry ! :-)
--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 12/3/16, Neil neil@... [elad_sdr_en] <elad_sdr_en@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [elad_sdr_en] Re: FDM-DUO external tuner
To: elad_sdr_en@...
Date: Saturday, December 3, 2016, 7:22 PM


 












Carl,  as a direct result of your post, I got to
read a
stimulating article about something of interest, so
you did a
great service by bringing it up.  The article was
very good apart
from arguably skewing the statistics a bit by careful
choice of
poor coax. As you rightly pointed out, the big
conclusion is that
high SWR on coax is very bad, as are choke baluns on
unmatched
antennas.  Many thanks for making a cold, damp
evening in
Yorkshire a lot more interesting. Absolutely nothing
to apologise
about, please accept MY apologies I was a bit
over-robust in my
technical arguments.
Neil G4DBN




On 03/12/2016
23:41,
physics1@...
[elad_sdr_en] wrote:


 


It is dangerous to try and discuss anything
technical on
these yahoo groups.



















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