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Re: FDM-S3 filter question

 

Hallo Ron

I have just installed the 500 khz low-pass filter, in the SW2 I have set the value from 10 to 520 Khz,
just compared again, it works well with Navtex 518 and 490 kHz, I hope you can read that.
The question had been there for a long time.
 
Greetings Uwe


Re: ELAD now completely cut off from Mac computers

Antony Watts
 

Too much I am not in the business of arguing about MacOS vs Windows. As far as I know ELAD has no plans at all to make a MacOS version of SW2.

But I am a Mac user, and they have fundamentally changed their hardware (M1 vs x86).

This means that any program wishing to run on new Macs must execute M1 code. Unless you use an x86 emulator.

This has a while to run, but for me I just wanna use my Macs for radio.


Re: ELAD now completely cut off from Mac computers

Antony Watts
 

Yes, but. If you run M1 Parallels and M1 Windows on a Mac, then you obviously cannot run x86 SW2 on this version of windows as it needs x86 CPUs.

Unless M1 Windows does emulate x86 and accept all Windows apps???


Re: ELAD now completely cut off from Mac computers

Andy - Arlington TX <andy.j1s@...>
 

So let's flip this around a bit; given a fixed development budget (or even one that increases with sales), and that an internal wish list is likely in place for new/improved functionality (not including additional OS and ISA compatibility), what new/improved functionality would users be willing to forego or delay, in order to support additional, but lesser-used, OSs and ISAs?

Keep in mind that supporting SW on an additional OS/ISA is not a fixed, one-time cost, since every OS/ISA you add increases the cost of maintaining existing features and adding new ones.

-- Andy - Arlington TX


Re: ELAD now completely cut off from Mac computers

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

My vote goes with the earlier suggestion of one of the W10 fanless micro PCs which are very cheap these days, then run an RDP session over a local network connection.  Probably cheaper than a new cable for my Macbook Pro.

If you can sort out the audio side, you could use that approach for full remote as well I guess. Otherwise if you are local to it, just use the audio on the micro PC and run WSJT-X or whatever on it as well.  Think of the micro PC as a dumb appliance. You could even peel off the Windoze badge and reconfigure the UI to suit.

Or if you are really really keen, talk to Elad and set up a crowdfunder to raise the money for a full redevelopment and ongoing support for five years.  Half a million euro should sort it. Maybe three quarters of a million.

Anyway, do native Linux SW2 first pleeeeze, I have a LOT more Linux boxen than Macs, and my MBP trackpad is unclickable in parts, the battery is refusing to take more than 1% charge and the magsafe lead is falling apart. Lovely thing, but oh boy, the engineering is as janky as a janky thing.

Neil G4DBN

PS yes I have tried all the usual solutions for the "1% battery" issue with no effect, and no, my MBP does not appear to be included in the big repair program for all the other Macs that are suffering from failed trackpads and failed battery charging. Boooo.

On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:03 PM, Klaus Brosche <klaus.brosche@...> wrote:


Imho, that complaint should be addressed to Apple and not to ELAD.
'Cause Apples' new CPU strategy is the reason for this "disruption"
in SW support.

To my knowledge, ELAD has never announced, promised, or whatever the likes,
to develop/provide any native macOS version of FDM-SW2.

Given the assumably tight SW development resources at ELAD, it makes much
sense focussing these resources on an OS platform that embraces about
87% of the OS market for Windows vs. abt. 11% for macOS.
(Source: netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share)

Klaus, DK3QN


Am 29.04.2021 um 19:28 schrieb Andy - Arlington TX:
Antony,

Umm... Actually, Apple is far more proprietary than MS and windows, since Apple controls both the hardware and the OS. You cannot legally run Apple's OS or applications software on any other manufacturer's computer.

MS offers their own hardware, but also supports other manufacturers' (even Apple's!) hardware as well, on both both ARM and IA processors. 

Supporting an application on the same OS on additional processors is one thing (and still not trivial), but supporting additional operating systems is a very significant increase in cost for SW development, testing and support. That additional cost is difficult to justify in the relatively tiny market for SDR software. How many additional SDR receivers would they sell if they also supported Apple? Not very many, and the additional development, test and support cost must be justified by that potential, small, additional revenue.

-- Andy - Arlington TX


-- 
Neil
http://g4dbn.uk


Re: ELAD now completely cut off from Mac computers

Rich O.
 

Agreed.  Until there is enough Mac marketshare to justify ELad Software development, the Mac user can try some of the Windows emulation techniques to run ELad.



73,

Rich

On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:03 PM, Klaus Brosche <klaus.brosche@...> wrote:


Imho, that complaint should be addressed to Apple and not to ELAD.
'Cause Apples' new CPU strategy is the reason for this "disruption"
in SW support.

To my knowledge, ELAD has never announced, promised, or whatever the likes,
to develop/provide any native macOS version of FDM-SW2.

Given the assumably tight SW development resources at ELAD, it makes much
sense focussing these resources on an OS platform that embraces about
87% of the OS market for Windows vs. abt. 11% for macOS.
(Source: netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share)

Klaus, DK3QN


Am 29.04.2021 um 19:28 schrieb Andy - Arlington TX:
Antony,

Umm... Actually, Apple is far more proprietary than MS and windows, since Apple controls both the hardware and the OS. You cannot legally run Apple's OS or applications software on any other manufacturer's computer.

MS offers their own hardware, but also supports other manufacturers' (even Apple's!) hardware as well, on both both ARM and IA processors. 

Supporting an application on the same OS on additional processors is one thing (and still not trivial), but supporting additional operating systems is a very significant increase in cost for SW development, testing and support. That additional cost is difficult to justify in the relatively tiny market for SDR software. How many additional SDR receivers would they sell if they also supported Apple? Not very many, and the additional development, test and support cost must be justified by that potential, small, additional revenue.

-- Andy - Arlington TX



Re: ELAD now completely cut off from Mac computers

Klaus Brosche, DK3QN
 

Imho, that complaint should be addressed to Apple and not to ELAD.
'Cause Apples' new CPU strategy is the reason for this "disruption"
in SW support.

To my knowledge, ELAD has never announced, promised, or whatever the likes,
to develop/provide any native macOS version of FDM-SW2.

Given the assumably tight SW development resources at ELAD, it makes much
sense focussing these resources on an OS platform that embraces about
87% of the OS market for Windows vs. abt. 11% for macOS.
(Source: netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share)

Klaus, DK3QN


Am 29.04.2021 um 19:28 schrieb Andy - Arlington TX:

Antony,

Umm... Actually, Apple is far more proprietary than MS and windows, since Apple controls both the hardware and the OS. You cannot legally run Apple's OS or applications software on any other manufacturer's computer.

MS offers their own hardware, but also supports other manufacturers' (even Apple's!) hardware as well, on both both ARM and IA processors. 

Supporting an application on the same OS on additional processors is one thing (and still not trivial), but supporting additional operating systems is a very significant increase in cost for SW development, testing and support. That additional cost is difficult to justify in the relatively tiny market for SDR software. How many additional SDR receivers would they sell if they also supported Apple? Not very many, and the additional development, test and support cost must be justified by that potential, small, additional revenue.

-- Andy - Arlington TX



Re: ELAD now completely cut off from Mac computers

Andy - Arlington TX <andy.j1s@...>
 

Antony,

Umm... Actually, Apple is far more proprietary than MS and windows, since Apple controls both the hardware and the OS. You cannot legally run Apple's OS or applications software on any other manufacturer's computer.

MS offers their own hardware, but also supports other manufacturers' (even Apple's!) hardware as well, on both both ARM and IA processors. 

Supporting an application on the same OS on additional processors is one thing (and still not trivial), but supporting additional operating systems is a very significant increase in cost for SW development, testing and support. That additional cost is difficult to justify in the relatively tiny market for SDR software. How many additional SDR receivers would they sell if they also supported Apple? Not very many, and the additional development, test and support cost must be justified by that potential, small, additional revenue.

-- Andy - Arlington TX


Re: WSPR problem with PTT

Andy G4JNT
 

Mic only box

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 at 15:35, Antony Watts via groups.io <antonywatts=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
The FDM-DUO sure does have VOX. But don't ask me how to configure it for use with WSJT audio output as a source...

--
Andy (out keeping fit)


Re: WSPR problem with PTT

Antony Watts
 

The FDM-DUO sure does have VOX. But don't ask me how to configure it for use with WSJT audio output as a source...


Re: ELAD now completely cut off from Mac computers

Antony Watts
 

Apple is no more "keeping everything proprietary" than Microsoft and Windows. They are simply different operating systems running on different CPUs.

All we can hope for is that ELAD wake up and like others make a x86- Windows, M1 - MacOS version, and whatever Linux is needed (x86 or ARM)


Re: ELAD now completely cut off from Mac computers

Shaun Vincent Hopkins
 

I'd like a linux version. Has anyone thought of doing a Docker SW2? It's beyond my current skill sets but I'm slowly getting to grips with it. Only issues would be USB passthrough
73
Hoppy


Re: ELAD now completely cut off from Mac computers

Ron Liekens
 

I have left the Apple clan years ago as it only gave me restrictions and no benefits over Windows and Linux OS. Maybe a Linux based SW2 could be an option to consider if there is a craving for it. No, the Elad crew is wise to stay with Windows OS for the moment in my eyes. You would need another developer and that expensive. Granted the new ARM-M1 is a nice performing processor. Maybe there will be other manufacturers that will jump on the ARM wagon soon. I heard rumours from the Microsoft clan to support the ARM-M1 in the future. Maybe its just gossip ;-)


Re: WSPR problem with PTT

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

Hi Maurizio, this is a bug in the TS-480 Hamlib which causes failures with the DUO.  Try using the correct "ELAD FDM-DUO" Hamlib rig. Then PTT via CAT works fine.

Neil G4DBN

On 26/04/2021 21:29, Maurizio Picerni wrote:
Hi friends, i had same probklem as EI8JK, my DUO working good in windows 10, but i want to set a PI4 to work WSPR longtime .
Using my FDM DUO CAT, RX, TX are working well, but PTT.  or better, sometimes. random PTT is ok 1-2 times and after return a ERROR to reconfigure interface.
Reading post, i have known about MENU #54 PTT.
I tried several combinations. and seems to have found a good choice with menu 54  PTT IN+RTS and set is successful ! 
seems that PTT is stable now...
here image of setttings
thanks regards 
Maurizio IK1NAF 
-- 
Neil
http://g4dbn.uk


Re: WSPR problem with PTT

Maurizio Picerni
 

Hi friends, i had same probklem as EI8JK, my DUO working good in windows 10, but i want to set a PI4 to work WSPR longtime .
Using my FDM DUO CAT, RX, TX are working well, but PTT.  or better, sometimes. random PTT is ok 1-2 times and after return a ERROR to reconfigure interface.
Reading post, i have known about MENU #54 PTT.
I tried several combinations. and seems to have found a good choice with menu 54  PTT IN+RTS and set is successful ! 
seems that PTT is stable now...
here image of setttings
thanks regards 
Maurizio IK1NAF 


Re: Elad FDM-S3 with and without Bandpass Filter

Vianney Colombat
 


See this link for compatibility : http://support.eladit.com/kb/faq.php?id=87&lang=en_us

Vianney


Il 26/04/2021 16:35, Srinivas Chennupaty via groups.io ha scritto:
do these work in the S3? 

On Monday, April 26, 2021, 07:02:50 AM PDT, Uwe S. <uwe57er@...> wrote:


Correction,
today a small number of filters are available


73
Uwe



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Re: ELAD now completely cut off from Mac computers

Bernie Capron
 

This is common with other Ham software as well. I gave a friend of mine a Windows laptop, just so I wouldn't have to listen to him whine every time we talked about different software that we were playing with and he couldn't run it. I would suggest getting a low end Windows computer to run your software. Its not ideal, but with Apple keeping everything proprietary its very difficult for smaller companies to develop software for them.


Re: Elad FDM-S3 with and without Bandpass Filter

Srinivas Chennupaty
 

do these work in the S3? 

On Monday, April 26, 2021, 07:02:50 AM PDT, Uwe S. <uwe57er@...> wrote:


Correction,
today a small number of filters are available


73
Uwe


Re: Elad FDM-S3 with and without Bandpass Filter

 

Correction,
today a small number of filters are available


73
Uwe


Re: ELAD now completely cut off from Mac computers

Winston
 

I was able to run FDM-SW2 via Parallels and Windows ARM.  However, The FDM-S3 SDR receiver that I operate was not able to be recognized by Windows ARM.  It seems to be an an issue with the USB drivers.  A solution would be to connect via Microsoft Remote Desktop to an Intel NUC that runs FDM-SW2.  It's additional hardware but it runs smoothly even over WiFi.  A side benefit would be that you can take your MacBook anywhere around the house and operate.  If you use Virtual Audio Cable (VAC) for digital operations, then you will run into another compatibility issue.  Whether Windows ARM will ever be fully equivalent in compatiblity to Intel Windows remains to be seen.  My MacBook Air M1 has become my main computer.  It's amazingly powerful for a gen 1 product and it's also fanless for silent operations.  It would be great if Elad wrote a Mac version of its software.  Mac users have been consistently growing in marketshare and I think that includes radio operators.