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Re: REMOTE SUMMARY

Lou KI5FTY <lscalpati@...>
 

Giovanni - do you work for Elad or did you do this in your spare time?


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:20 PM Giovanni Franza <gfranza@...> wrote:
Hi Charlie,
as requested, I correct some minor imprecision and add some data...

1. The core of ELAD remote is in Linux, and some of it works on Windows and MacOS.
     At this time ELAD Remote do not run on MacOS

2. To use ELAD Remote, you must have an ART/60 or 20.
    Typo: ART60 or ART120

3. If you wish to see something similar to SW2 presentation, you must have an FDM-DUO.
    No, you must use not ELAD Remote, You must use SW2 AND a remotization program, like TeamViewer.

4. Do not expect an SW2 capability. What you get is what I refer to as Remote SW2-Like.
    Please, avoid confusion:
    SW2 is a PC Windows based full fledge SDR program
    ELAD Remote is a "remotization program" with minimal DSP functions (Audio FFT in client, FFT in DUO ART)

5. Any use of this for regular ham radio contacts and logging must be done on a contact by contact basis, and any logging has to be done individually by QSO through some other logging program.
    Correct, for the moment the situation is this.

6 The remote software that is currently available is Version 1.7.1.5.
   No, the version is 1.75, the update manual version is 1.75.1

7 There is no user manual that addresses other than preliminary ELKAD Remote capability.
   Here is the manual in english: it could be better, but my time is not so much ...
   http://www.eladit.com/download/sdr/DUO-ART_EladRemote/1.75/EladRemoteMan-1.75.1.en.pdf

Have fun!

Giovanni HB9EIK


Re: REMOTE SUMMARY

Klaus Brosche, DK3QN <dk3qn@...>
 

Many thanks to Charlie for bringing this summary up and to Giovanni for commenting.

Good job, guys :-))

Very much appreciated!

73, Klaus, DK3QN


Am 13.03.2020 um 20:20 schrieb Giovanni Franza:

Hi Charlie,
as requested, I correct some minor imprecision and add some data...

1. The core of ELAD remote is in Linux, and some of it works on Windows and MacOS.
     At this time ELAD Remote do not run on MacOS

2. To use ELAD Remote, you must have an ART/60 or 20.
    Typo: ART60 or ART120

3. If you wish to see something similar to SW2 presentation, you must have an FDM-DUO.
    No, you must use not ELAD Remote, You must use SW2 AND a remotization program, like TeamViewer.

4. Do not expect an SW2 capability. What you get is what I refer to as Remote SW2-Like.
    Please, avoid confusion:
    SW2 is a PC Windows based full fledge SDR program
    ELAD Remote is a "remotization program" with minimal DSP functions (Audio FFT in client, FFT in DUO ART)

5. Any use of this for regular ham radio contacts and logging must be done on a contact by contact basis, and any logging has to be done individually by QSO through some other logging program.
    Correct, for the moment the situation is this.

6 The remote software that is currently available is Version 1.7.1.5.
   No, the version is 1.75, the update manual version is 1.75.1

7 There is no user manual that addresses other than preliminary ELKAD Remote capability.
   Here is the manual in english: it could be better, but my time is not so much ...
   http://www.eladit.com/download/sdr/DUO-ART_EladRemote/1.75/EladRemoteMan-1.75.1.en.pdf

Have fun!

Giovanni HB9EIK



Re: ELAD Remote

Mark EI3KD
 

Hi Giovanni, 

Yes, I have had Elad Remote installed on Windows for some time but as I say, without local virtual ports providing CAT control and PTT it is not of much use. This kind of thing is entirely feasible: SW2 provides CAT control for its virtual receivers, HRD has CAT-ability, and SDR Console has the same, the latter even on remote connections - but sadly not for the FDM DUO.

To my mind the ideal solution would be to ask Simon, the SDR Console developer, to add full TRX support to his software for the FDM DUO - that would be "nirvana". I know he's added support for  Elad receivers, and has tx support for other SDRs, so it might not be too much to ask - but it would probably require encouragement from Elad themselves... 

Hopefully you'll continue to improve Elad Remote and add more features. As long as you feel it is not yet a finished product, there is some hope ;) 

Regards, Mark

On Fri, 13 Mar 2020, 16:07 Giovanni Franza, <gfranza@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,
ELAD Remote can run on Windows, using CYGWIN.
In the manual you can see the installation procedure, that is not too complex (I hope).
It is not light speed performing, but it seems usable.

There is a problem using fifos in this environment, but I'm trying to solve this issue.

Normally I write software on Linux, released under GPLv3,
but for this project I've been able to use CIGWIN to run it under Windows,
even if this is not my preferred target (I'm an old UNIX man).

Regards,

Giovanni - HB9EIK


Re: REMOTE SUMMARY

Giovanni Franza
 

Hi Charlie,
as requested, I correct some minor imprecision and add some data...

1. The core of ELAD remote is in Linux, and some of it works on Windows and MacOS.
     At this time ELAD Remote do not run on MacOS

2. To use ELAD Remote, you must have an ART/60 or 20.
    Typo: ART60 or ART120

3. If you wish to see something similar to SW2 presentation, you must have an FDM-DUO.
    No, you must use not ELAD Remote, You must use SW2 AND a remotization program, like TeamViewer.

4. Do not expect an SW2 capability. What you get is what I refer to as Remote SW2-Like.
    Please, avoid confusion:
    SW2 is a PC Windows based full fledge SDR program
    ELAD Remote is a "remotization program" with minimal DSP functions (Audio FFT in client, FFT in DUO ART)

5. Any use of this for regular ham radio contacts and logging must be done on a contact by contact basis, and any logging has to be done individually by QSO through some other logging program.
    Correct, for the moment the situation is this.

6 The remote software that is currently available is Version 1.7.1.5.
   No, the version is 1.75, the update manual version is 1.75.1

7 There is no user manual that addresses other than preliminary ELKAD Remote capability.
   Here is the manual in english: it could be better, but my time is not so much ...
   http://www.eladit.com/download/sdr/DUO-ART_EladRemote/1.75/EladRemoteMan-1.75.1.en.pdf

Have fun!

Giovanni HB9EIK


REMOTE SUMMARY

Charles Ristorcelli
 

Hi all.

There is a huge amount of conversation about ELAD remote.

Much of it for us simpletons who just use Windows and are not educated in the very specifics of Linux, MacOs, much of what i read is incomprehensibe or merely confusing.

At the risk of showing my ignorance, this is a summary of what I understand from everything.

1. The core of ELAD remote is in Linux, and some of it works on Windows and MacOS.
2. To use ELAD Remote, you must have an ART/60 or 20.
3. If you wish to see something similar to SW2 presentation, you must have an FDM-DUO.
4. Do not expect an SW2 capability. What you get is what I refer to as Remote SW2-Like.
5. Any use of this for regular ham radio contacts and logging must be done on a contact by contact basis, and any logging has to be done individually by QSO through some other logging program.
6 The remote software that is currently available is Version 1.7.1.5.
7 There is no user manual that addresses other than preliminary ELKAD Remote capability.

If any of that is incorrect, feel free to chime in.

If you have something to add, please do so.

Perhaps someone can establish a special users group about Remote use for ham radio applications, and allow us to recommendf added capabilities.

73 de NN3V and "Wash your hands Frequently"
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73 de NN3V


Re: ELAD Remote

Giovanni Franza
 

Hi Antony,
speaking about ELAD Remote,
from the "kernel" point of wiew this could be done (MacOS is based on BSD, an UNIX dialect).
But I'm not sure for the User Interface. If there is an implementation of OpenGL it could be done.
At the moment it is a too big work for me, but I hope that I can try this in a future...

Other software, like firmware loader for S1/S2, gqrx stub,  the port is already done.
Even it it sounds strange, you could find this in the linux folder at http://www.eladit.com/download/sdr/Linux/index.php?lang=EN
(look at "mac" in the name of packages).

In all products, where it is feasible, I craft a package for Mac, helped by my wife, that is a guru on this platform.

Regards,

Giovanni HB9EIK


Re: ELAD Remote

Giovanni Franza
 

Hi Mark,
ELAD Remote can run on Windows, using CYGWIN.
In the manual you can see the installation procedure, that is not too complex (I hope).
It is not light speed performing, but it seems usable.

There is a problem using fifos in this environment, but I'm trying to solve this issue.

Normally I write software on Linux, released under GPLv3,
but for this project I've been able to use CIGWIN to run it under Windows,
even if this is not my preferred target (I'm an old UNIX man).

Regards,

Giovanni - HB9EIK


Re: ELAD Remote

Antony Watts
 

Hi

If this and other software is working on Linux, surely it is a small step to make it available on MacOS?


Re: ELAD Remote

Mark EI3KD
 

Thanks Giovanni,

 

All my software is Windows, it is fairly standard. Of course I could create a whole new Linux machine, and use the somewhat complicated “solution” – but I (and most others) am unlikely to really want to do that.

 

Please consider creating something that can be used, on Windows, in a meaningful fashion for remote operation? As people have said before, the current offering is well-written and is good at doing what it does, but is disappointing and simply does not have the features required for remote operation in real use - sorry to say

 

73, Mark

 

From: EladSDR@groups.io <EladSDR@groups.io> On Behalf Of Giovanni Franza
Sent: 13 March 2020 10:15
To: EladSDR@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EladSDR] ELAD Remote

 

Hi Mark,
in Release 1.75 - working on Linux - there is implemented a double fifo mechanism:
using an "input fifo" (usually /tmp/EladRemoteR - can be changed in setup.txt ) you can send CAT commands to DUO ART.
When needed, the answer is available on an "output fifo" (usually /tmp/EladRemoteW - can be changed in setup.txt ).
This is not working on the Win version due to OS differences.
This feature is experimental and coud be modified in future releases.
At the moment the "ouput FIFO" do not send data about DUO ART nor FDM DUO status:
but you can test if, sending a CAT enquiry, you are able to obtain CAT answer out of this fifo.
Let me know how it works for you.

Regards, Giovanni


Re: ELAD Remote

Giovanni Franza
 

Hi Mark,
in Release 1.75 - working on Linux - there is implemented a double fifo mechanism:
using an "input fifo" (usually /tmp/EladRemoteR - can be changed in setup.txt ) you can send CAT commands to DUO ART.
When needed, the answer is available on an "output fifo" (usually /tmp/EladRemoteW - can be changed in setup.txt ).
This is not working on the Win version due to OS differences.
This feature is experimental and coud be modified in future releases.
At the moment the "ouput FIFO" do not send data about DUO ART nor FDM DUO status:
but you can test if, sending a CAT enquiry, you are able to obtain CAT answer out of this fifo.
Let me know how it works for you.

Regards, Giovanni


Re: ELAD Remote

Mark EI3KD
 

Hi Giovanni,

 

Is it possible to obtain CAT information (I suppose, specifically, frequency) and some sort of PTT port through ELAD Remote, to make it useful for local logging, digital modes, etc?

 

Regards, Mark

 

From: EladSDR@groups.io <EladSDR@groups.io> On Behalf Of Giovanni Franza
Sent: 12 March 2020 23:17
To: EladSDR@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EladSDR] ELAD Remote

 

Yes, you read correctly: you need a DUO ART + a FDM DUO to use ELAD Remote.
The reason is that the DUO ART hosts the communication software.
To be precise: the demodulation/modulation is made by the FDM DUO (as when it works in standalone mode).
Two levels of FFT/Waterfall are computed by the DUO ART.
The ELAD Remote realizes the User Interface (and computes the Audio FFT).
Hope this claryfy the operations.

Giovanni - HB9EIK


Re: ELAD Remote

Giovanni Franza
 

Yes, you read correctly: you need a DUO ART + a FDM DUO to use ELAD Remote.
The reason is that the DUO ART hosts the communication software.
To be precise: the demodulation/modulation is made by the FDM DUO (as when it works in standalone mode).
Two levels of FFT/Waterfall are computed by the DUO ART.
The ELAD Remote realizes the User Interface (and computes the Audio FFT).
Hope this claryfy the operations.

Giovanni - HB9EIK


Re: ELAD Remote

Lou KI5FTY <lscalpati@...>
 

So if I read the document correctly, you must have a duo art to use the remote software?

Lou KI5FTY

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:28 AM Giovanni Franza <gfranza@...> wrote:
No it is not possible: the communication layer is inside the DUO ART processor.

Giovanni HB9EIK


Re: ELAD Remote

Giovanni Franza
 

No it is not possible: the communication layer is inside the DUO ART processor.

Giovanni HB9EIK


Re: ELAD Remote

Mike
 

Is there a way to use the remote with the FDM-DUO only? Without the ART?
Thanks

Mike WA3O


Re: ELAD Remote

Giovanni Franza
 

http://www.eladit.com/download/sdr/DUO-ART_EladRemote/1.75/index.php?lang=EN


Re: HLA-150 Disable amp on tune

Mark Stewart <spooter12@...>
 

Yes, I'm familiar with all the settings. It looks like the PTT line won't disable RF sense when initiating a tune from the ELAD. The manual states the PTT line disables the amp. Either the HLA-150 will not disable the RF sense, or mine is defective. I was just seeing if anyone else has the same issue. 


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 9:35 PM phoekzema Hoekzema <phoekzema@...> wrote:

I don’t have a HLA-150.  But for the amp to be disabled during tune, It must be under PTT control, and menu 56 on the DUO should be set to “off”.  Needless to say, don’t use RF sense if you want to disable the amp during tuning.  Also the Duo has TWO power settings, one for while tuning (menu 55) and the other while operating (menu 34).

 

Hope that helps.

Peter WA7MOX

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mark Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 7:06 PM
To: EladSDR@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EladSDR] HLA-150 Disable amp on tune

 

Anyone get theirs to work? 

 


Re: HLA-150 Disable amp on tune

phoekzema Hoekzema
 

I don’t have a HLA-150.  But for the amp to be disabled during tune, It must be under PTT control, and menu 56 on the DUO should be set to “off”.  Needless to say, don’t use RF sense if you want to disable the amp during tuning.  Also the Duo has TWO power settings, one for while tuning (menu 55) and the other while operating (menu 34).

 

Hope that helps.

Peter WA7MOX

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mark Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 7:06 PM
To: EladSDR@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EladSDR] HLA-150 Disable amp on tune

 

Anyone get theirs to work? 

 


Re: HLA-150 Disable amp on tune

Mark Gottlieb <kk2l@...>
 

You are correct.  The PTT line is not required to operate the HLA-150 since it does have RF sensing. So, the tuning cycle will always activate the amp.  When I use the amp, I want it to key up since that is how I get resonance between the amp and the antenna.  As you probably know, if the amp is not resonant with the antenna, it will automatically go off line.   Excellent amp, BTW.  I was using it on my back deck with the ELAD and was getting 200 watts output on 40m and spot-on 100 watts on 20.

Mark

KK2L


Re: ELAD Remote

Charles Ristorcelli
 

I am starting to review everything I did originally to set up the ELAD remote.

I notice references in this string to ELAD Remote software v1.7.5.

Where is the info on ELAD Remote? I could not find a link on the ELAD website.
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73 de NN3V

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