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Re: FDM-SW2 version v3.010

John W Pick <picks1@...>
 

I agree.  The IF window always being on top and not being able to resize it, is not desirable in my view.  I think I will go back to 3.005.

John KC8JRE


Re: FDM-SW2 version v3.010

John Palmer
 

Hi Neil
Yes the window cannot be be resized down and it does stay on the top the only thing is just close it when not needed, it is a pain I know but as my monitors are 27 in and 34 in 4K it is not to bad for me.

John M0LCD


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On 13 Apr 2018, at 22:11, Neil Smith <neil@...> wrote:

Hi John, does the IF Window behave correctly in your install?  In mine I can resize it, but not move or minimize it, and it is forced to the front ahead of all applications.

Neil G4DBN


On 13/04/2018 22:07, John Palmer wrote:
I have installed the full version because upgrade did not work no sound! Now all is ok just had to rewrite the INI files. Seems stable to me all is working ok
Come on guys the software is good
Remember it is free, it works as it should on all platforms win7,win8. win8.1. And win10 Pro.
It is most important to keep all software up to date
Also you need a fast processor ie. intel i5.i7 minimum at least 8gig men
I use an AMD am3+ fx 8 core with 16gig mem. On my PC and an IMac Pro 5k works just fine no issues yet!.
 Regards
John
M0LCD
IO90JT

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On 13 Apr 2018, at 21:44, Vitor Jacinto <jacinto.vitor@...> wrote:

Just installed 3.010 ... kind of a pain to have IF window in front of everything. Considering going back to previous version.
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Elad FDM DUOr

ONL12294 - QTH: Belgium



Re: FDM-SW2 version v3.010

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

Hi John, does the IF Window behave correctly in your install?  In mine I can resize it, but not move or minimize it, and it is forced to the front ahead of all applications.

Neil G4DBN


On 13/04/2018 22:07, John Palmer wrote:
I have installed the full version because upgrade did not work no sound! Now all is ok just had to rewrite the INI files. Seems stable to me all is working ok
Come on guys the software is good
Remember it is free, it works as it should on all platforms win7,win8. win8.1. And win10 Pro.
It is most important to keep all software up to date
Also you need a fast processor ie. intel i5.i7 minimum at least 8gig men
I use an AMD am3+ fx 8 core with 16gig mem. On my PC and an IMac Pro 5k works just fine no issues yet!.
 Regards
John
M0LCD
IO90JT

8 Plus 

On 13 Apr 2018, at 21:44, Vitor Jacinto <jacinto.vitor@...> wrote:

Just installed 3.010 ... kind of a pain to have IF window in front of everything. Considering going back to previous version.
--
Elad FDM DUOr

ONL12294 - QTH: Belgium



Re: FDM-SW2 version v3.010

John Palmer
 

I have installed the full version because upgrade did not work no sound! Now all is ok just had to rewrite the INI files. Seems stable to me all is working ok
Come on guys the software is good
Remember it is free, it works as it should on all platforms win7,win8. win8.1. And win10 Pro.
It is most important to keep all software up to date
Also you need a fast processor ie. intel i5.i7 minimum at least 8gig men
I use an AMD am3+ fx 8 core with 16gig mem. On my PC and an IMac Pro 5k works just fine no issues yet!.
 Regards
John
M0LCD
IO90JT

8 Plus 

On 13 Apr 2018, at 21:44, Vitor Jacinto <jacinto.vitor@...> wrote:

Just installed 3.010 ... kind of a pain to have IF window in front of everything. Considering going back to previous version.
--
Elad FDM DUOr

ONL12294 - QTH: Belgium


Re: FDM-SW2 version v3.010

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

Confirmed: V3.010 IF window will not minimize and will not move or close using the controls in the window, and it is forced to the front.

Neil G4DBN


On 13/04/2018 21:44, Vitor Jacinto wrote:
Just installed 3.010 ... kind of a pain to have IF window in front of everything. Considering going back to previous version.
--
Elad FDM DUOr

ONL12294 - QTH: Belgium



Re: FDM-SW2 version v3.010

Vitor Jacinto
 

Just installed 3.010 ... kind of a pain to have IF window in front of everything. Considering going back to previous version.
--
Elad FDM DUOr

ONL12294 - QTH: Belgium


Re: FDM-SW2 version v3.010

John W Pick <picks1@...>
 

To the Group.  ELAD SW2 problem.  I am having a problem in playing back a SW2 recording.  In attempting to playback a new or old recording, SW2 software crashes.  i get a max of about a 1 second playback time and the software will stop responding.  I have tried SW2 ver 3.107, 3.005, and 3.010 on both my HP and ASUS laptops, same issue, playback about 1 second and then the software crashes.  I have sent one of my recorded files to a friend in Northern Ohio, he is  able to playback the recording ok.  ANY SUGGESTIONS........I am running Windows OS 7 premium.  The answer may be embarrassing to me but I just can't get a handle on what the heck is wrong.  I am simply frustrated.  Thanks in advance.....................jp / kc8jre


Re: FDM-SW2 version v3.010

Henry
 
Edited

Hello Vianney,
here is crash one with WSJT-X.

And here is crash two with Omnirig. The Omnirig crash only happens when RTS is set to High or Low. When RTS is set to Handshake, the rig is simply not responding (and no crash as well, of course ;-)).

I have a 64-bit system. But I think this is all irrelevant. As the contents of my Elad folder is irrelevant. CAT communication works fine with other software using YAESU and/or proprietary Elad CAT commands. Just WSJT-X and Omnirig make the SW 2 crash.
Here is an example of a software accessing SW2 via Hamlib binaries (just for test). No crash.
The same software controls SW2 directly via Elad CAT commands without any crash.

Sorry for the blurry images. The board software automatically scaled them down without my intention.
73s, Henry


Re: FDM-SW2 version v3.010

Vianney Colombat
 


Henry, can you send me a screenshot of the message you have (if any) during the crash and also your "FDM-SW2" folder in Documents/ELAD ?

If possible, send me also screenshots of all the settings you have (WSJT-X, SW2, VSPE or other).

Your computer is 32bit or 64bit ?

Thanks,

Vianney


Il 13/04/2018 15:57, Henry via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Same as ever:
As soon as WSJT-X probes SW2 3.010 via a com port pair, SW2 crashes immediately.
73s, Henry
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Re: FDM-SW2 version v3.010

Henry
 

Same as ever:
As soon as WSJT-X probes SW2 3.010 via a com port pair, SW2 crashes immediately.
73s, Henry


FDM-SW2 version v3.010

Vianney Colombat
 

Hello,

version 3.010 of FDM-SW2 is available on the ELAD website.

The main changes are :
    - AF and IF windows stay on top,
    - added missing panels to the Windows Default Positions function (Ctrl + Alt + R),
    - IF windows positions are now saved correctly even if on another display,
    - solved ECSS bug on the Setup->Tuning tab,
    - added information about callstack on some MessageBox displayed,
    - added MessageBox on warnings/errors when clicking ok/apply on the Setup window,
    - solved bug on station memory management when L.O Frequency mode is selected,
    - the help window ('?' button) is now not modal (not blocking).

For more details, see the release notes at : http://www.eladit.com/download/sdr/FDM-sw2%20Software/index.php?lang=EN

Regards,

Vianney


Re: New User

Vianney Colombat
 


The UnlockDUOr flag just changes the maximum frequency of SW2 when it manages a DUOr.
If UnlockDUOr=0, max frequency is 54MHz.
If UnlockDUOr=1, max frequency is 165MHz.

The default value will stay to 0 because we think that one must unlock the maximum frequency only if he's aware of what he's doing and what are the consequences. I mean, be aware of the ADC sampling frequency and so the Nyquist frequency. Be aware of the need to filter the alias frequencies. Know how to choose the right filter for the desired frequency, ... So, for the Elad point of view, it's not correct to have the default value of the unlock flag to 1.

Vianney

Il 09/04/2018 20:21, AndersH ha scritto:
Thank you Vianney, This explanation aligns with my present understanding,
The UnlockDUOr=1 flag seems to be crucial for the ANT 1/ ANT 2 changeover.
Will the factory default value be 1 in the future? It seems that this flag overrides the filter parameters for the VHF range.


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Re: New User

AndersH
 

Thank you Vianney, This explanation aligns with my present understanding,
The UnlockDUOr=1 flag seems to be crucial for the ANT 1/ ANT 2 changeover.
Will the factory default value be 1 in the future? It seems that this flag overrides the filter parameters for the VHF range.

Anders







Re: New User

Vianney Colombat
 

Hi,

What are the criteria and/or commands for flipping the relay between Antenna 1 and Antenna 2 in the DUOr hardware?
I don't see this clearly in the documentation. The diagram does not say how the switch is operated  by user action.

This switch between Antenna 1 and Antenna 2 is firmware controlled, it's not operated by user action, not directly at least. It depends on the settings of the Preselectors tab of the FDM-DUO Manager in the SW2 software and on the current tuning frequency of the FDM-DUOr.
To select the right filter the FDM-DUOr analyses the preselectors settings following the ascending order of the slots. If the current tuning frequency is inside the frequency range the filter is selected, if not it passes to the next slot.

Keep in mind that the first 3 slots are reserved for ANT 2 (no LP filter, to use mainly above 54MHz), the last 7 slots are reserved for ANT 1 (with fixed LP filter, to used below 54MHz).

I hope it clarifies how the FDM-DUOr works.

Vianney

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Re: General DUOr filter discussion SUCESS!

AndersH
 

John, that's great news!
If you like to share your steps, I'm all ears and eyes!
This really matters, especially since I'm thinking of  taking the plunge into making a 2 meter filter, with or without a modified FM band filter as a starting point.
Anders


Re: Experiences with 3.005

Otso Ylönen
 

Hello,
 
Update on one of the issues I reported:
 
The "runas" related crash was caused by some of the SW2 settings missing from the registry/directories of the secondary Windows User Accounts I tried to start it with. Starting SW2 first normally from within the Desktops of those user accounts, the software now runs normally via "runas", too. Perhaps I am wrong, but my recollection is that I did not need to do the same under Windows 7.
 
Now, 3.005 runs nicely as three independent instances on one Desktop: two with their own FDM-S2 hardware (for 6 MHz IQ recording) and the third as a listening setup for pre-recorded files. That one I operate with Tmate2. The attached picture shows my test setup. As you see, a monitor with Full HD resolution starts getting rather tight...
 
If anyone is interested, I use the this simple bat command file to launch SW2 using different Windows User Accounts. It takes the account name as an argument (note, it has to be just one word, like MyAccount_2). Also, it expects SW2 to be installed on its default location at drive C. It asks for the account password the first time you run it and saves it for later usage.
 
BR, Otso


Re: General DUOr filter discussion SUCESS!

John Palmer
 

At long last problem solved, AndersH is correct there is no info on the filter, it is just trial and error.
The problem is in the config files, after many hours playing with the seperate setup filesI got a result.
Problem has now been solved. It would take to long to explain on here, but if anyone needs help please email me personally. I can if required post the various xml files that i have modifed, this should get you up and running
I might add that the radio works very well on the FM broadcast band
Many thanks to everone for their input. It was a great help.

Regards

John

M0LCD


General DUOr filter discussion

AndersH
 

Hi everyone!,

We have ongoing discussions about filter slots in the DUOr and how to make everything work as intended, especially at VHF,
The above is more about troubleshooting and getting started in the right way, but I miss discussion on filter design and filter use in a broader and more open way.


1) VHF BP filters. One such filter has been released, without documentation. It's a great start, but there's not an awful lot of official guidance available. I personally hope a 2 meter BP filter is just around the corner!

2) HF filters of all types. A very comprehensive assortment of filters from ELAD is available. Documentation in the form of frequency response plots is also available. An abbreviated schematic for a "naked" BP card is also available.

ELAD is in no way not obliged to help with their own design methods, while at the same time, it's next to impossible to use the experimental ELAD B3 filter card unless you know those very same design methods since the method deviates from standard practice, as described in textbooks and similar.

The user ends up in a catch 22 situation. There are tight space constraints, a layout from somebody else, no access to key components and some mysteries on the design rules too.

Several textbooks and online tutorials can tell you have to make a PI-filter, a tapped parallel resonance filter or a multi-pole Chebyshev or Butterworth BP filter. What you typically don't get is a combination of these typologies and structures with nice and helpful explanations and closed form mathematical formulas for L and C for your convenience. To add insult to injury, nice Q-values on standard inductors doesn't come easily and especially not for the component values you are looking for.

I needed 6 months to make this happen for me, designing, building and installing my own filters. The reason for the long time delay was my need for understanding. I'm not a cut and try kind of person. If I don't understand what I'm doing, I'm not bringing out my soldering iron, but I think I did the right thing.

I've now built my own cards with surface mount components according to design tools by WA4DSY. I have also analyzed the ELAD non-standard filter cards and now have a strict (mathematical) method to recalculate and modify existing B3-based ELAD HF filter cards from one frequency band to another nearby band without any significant penalty in performance. In terms of time and cost, it's perhaps the latter method that holds the greatest promise even if I went for the "white sheet of paper" approach myself.

I can help if there's any interest to dig into the particulars more deeply.

Anders



Re: New User

AndersH
 

Hi again,

I was under the impression that there is only one trick involved in allowing VHF to work and that's setting one flag, as per below
UnlockDUOr=1

What are the criteria and/or commands for flipping the relay between Antenna 1 and Antenna 2 in the DUOr hardware?
I don't see this clearly in the documentation. The diagram does not say how the switch is operated  by user action.

Anders


Re: New User

H H <hhmaplewood@...>
 

John,
I don't have my radio or software available right now to look at, but what I did was I typed in ( direct frequency window ) a FM broadcast station ( 88,500,000 ), and I noticed the radio automatically shifted to ANT 2, that is because, I believe the FM Preselector is now engaged, ( FM Preselector should be in slots 1,2, or 3 ) I also noticed the LPF 54 did not appear on the SW2 screen. I was able to listen the FM broadcasts with a simple whip antenna, connected to ANT 2.

What you are describing, I had a problem with too. I just could not understand. But if you look in the manual ( DUOr ) you will see a diagram of the pre selector slots. It should show if my memory is right, slots 1,2, or 3, are directly hooked up to ANT 2.

Give that a try....go to the SW2 software, and directly type or use the up / down arrows and select a FM broadcast frequency. This worked for me. If that does not work, let me know. I can turn on the radio and go thru the process when I get back home in a few days. Hal

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 7:19 PM, John Palmer <m0lcd@...> wrote:
Hi Hal
Everything you say is correct, I have the same problem CANNOT ENABLE ANT2
I am using the FM-DUOr and you cannot access menu no.2 so how is Antenna 2 enabled
Anybody got the answer.
Regards

John
M0LCD


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