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Re: SW2 crashed. Can't get it up and running

Kjell-Goran SM4GRP
 

That sounds great Paul. I will stand by with no further action from my side until directions are given by ELAD.
Waiting patiently :-) / Kjell-Goran

2018-03-06 15:40 GMT+01:00 Paul NN4F <paul@...>:


It’s possible that this is tied to a recent windows update as we now have 3 errors the same, Franco is freeing up one of the programmers to look at this today or tomorrow, but trust that we are working on this fault ASAP
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Paul Jones - Elad USA



> On Mar 6, 2018, at 08:40, Raimund <raimund.forstmeier@fastwebnet.it> wrote:
>
> Kjell,
> pls. send me the Error Exception Data via E-mail.
>
> Raimund
> .
>
>
>






Re: SW2 crashed. Can't get it up and running

Paul NN4F
 

It’s possible that this is tied to a recent windows update as we now have 3 errors the same, Franco is freeing up one of the programmers to look at this today or tomorrow, but trust that we are working on this fault ASAP
--
Paul Jones - Elad USA

On Mar 6, 2018, at 08:40, Raimund <raimund.forstmeier@...> wrote:

Kjell,
pls. send me the Error Exception Data via E-mail.

Raimund
.



Re: SW2 crashed. Can't get it up and running

 

Kjell,
pls. send me the Error Exception Data via E-mail.

Raimund
.


Re: SW2 crashed. Can't get it up and running

 

I'm programming since 30 years. I know C++ and VisualBasic.
Now, myself i can't resolve the SD2 Software error as explained here:

https://groups.io/g/EladSDR/message/12875

I canceled any trace of the software on my PC. Yet, no result. I checked all *.xml files, no chance.
I'm connecting SD2 with my own software ' RadioFrequency '. Programming around the error i resolved. The Elad SD2 software error is not resolved.
A normal user can't get around such problems.

One of the most LOGICAL errors with the SD2 Software is in fact :
"Unhandled exception has occured in your application"

When coding the Author must be aware of possible Errors and "logical errors" that are not the same as "Errors".
The Exception can handle this with a Advice or just "nothing".

Example coding:
Try
'here is the code that could result in a Error message

Catch ex As Exception
'a message can return the C++ (or else) message
'my own message
'or just "Nothing"
End Try

I invite ELAD to reply with a precise specification where the SD2 Software is holding/saving data.
- within the radio memory
- within the default folder (*.xml files)
- somewhere else
- within the Windows Register (RegEdit)

It is useless to say: " i never had some problems ". One day you get it. Just we don't know why it occurs and how can we resolve it.

Such a fantastic Radio can't be degraded just by software errors.

Nota:
I'm leaving just about 50 km far from Elad. I wrote to Elad, no replay by Mr. Franco. I did not phone yet as i'm expecting a clear answer with details that can help.

Coding is not that simple without errors. No one is perfect.

73
Raimund
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Re: SW2 crashed. Can't get it up and running

Paul
 

Just a thought, have you tried to run a registry cleaner to remove any traces of SW2 before trying a re-install?

I don't use SW2, so I have no direct experience with this problem, but I have used CCleaner or JV16 Power Tools to clean out the registry after I remove something.

paul
WB9HCO


Re: ELAD FDM-S3

Otso Ylönen
 

Continuing off-topic:

I have tested Elad FDM-S2 against SDRplay rsp1, rsp2pro and the AirSpy on the FM broadcast band in my home location, some 5 km away from the closest local FM stations. I have a hi-gain aerial and a good mast-head ampflifier.

 

Of these three, only the Elad can handle these “urban” signal levels without saturation, the other three require constant adjustment of attenuation and amplification in order to yield any DX.

 

I know things change when little or no local signals are present. I am looking forward to do testing in such conditions later this year.

 

BR, Otso

 

 

Lähettäjä: dave_m1ctk
Lähetetty: maanantai 5. maaliskuuta 2018 14.30
Vastaanottaja: EladSDR@groups.io
Aihe: Re: [EladSDR] ELAD FDM-S3

 

Just to say yes the rsp1a is much better on airband / 137 mhz (weather sats) and Band II FM than the elad. Not so great on MW though but this is to be expected, the Elad as we all know is exceptional on this band and below LW

Dave

UK

 

On 5 March 2018 at 10:35, James Booth via Groups.Io <jbooth35@...> wrote:

Thank you all for the replies. Very interesting. Will await the S3 and see what it cane do. Hopefully will purchase when available. 

 

 

 


Re: SW2 crashed. Can't get it up and running

Kjell-Goran SM4GRP
 

I did a last try, deleting ver 3.002 and the associated ELAD folders in .../Program Files/... as well as in .../users/.../documents/... and after that restart both PC and DUO and then a full install of ver 1.150 without success. I have raised a support ticket in ELAD's support system. Let's see what happens. I will report back.
73 / Kjell-Goran SM4GRP


Re: SW2 crashed. Can't get it up and running

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

That is the same message reported a few days ago by someone.  Not sure if he managed to find a solution.

Guess it is time to test the new support URL.  Should be easy for Elad to find where the uncaught exception is happening and what the reason is.

Neil


On 06/03/2018 08:39, Kjell-G�ran Bergendahl wrote:
Hi
The factory reset (menu 81) didn't fix it.
Yes, the error message says that; "Value was either too large or too small for an unsigned byte".
73 / Kjell-Goran


Re: SW2 crashed. Can't get it up and running

Kjell-Goran SM4GRP
 

Hi
The factory reset (menu 81) didn't fix it.
Yes, the error message says that; "Value was either too large or too small for an unsigned byte".
73 / Kjell-Goran


Re: SW2 crashed. Can't get it up and running

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

Does a factory reset of the DUO settings have any effect? Is the error message about a byte value being too large or small? That was reported by another forum members a few days ago.
Neil G4DBN

On 6 Mar 2018, at 08:17, Kjell-G�ran Bergendahl <kg.bergendahl@...> wrote:

I also once deleted the ELAD folder in C:\Program Files (x86) after uninstalling the software and then installing from scratch again. No success. Error message was as before: "Unhandled exception has occured in your application".
73 / Kjell-Goran
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Re: SW2 crashed. Can't get it up and running

Kjell-Goran SM4GRP
 

I also once deleted the ELAD folder in C:\Program Files (x86) after uninstalling the software and then installing from scratch again. No success. Error message was as before: "Unhandled exception has occured in your application".
73 / Kjell-Goran


SW2 crashed. Can't get it up and running

Kjell-Goran SM4GRP
 

Hello,
SW2 crashed today. Sigh... It all started yesterday when I enabled transverter use. Everything ran fine (?) but the program always started at zero frequency. This morning SW2 crashed after the PC being off for the night, with a looong error list from W10,and I can get it up and running again. I have saved the error list if needed. I have tried this:

1) Go back to ver 1.150 (upgrade file only)
2) Delete SW2 from control panel and delete the ELAD folder in users/documents/...
3) Do a full install of ver 3.002
4) Click yes on "Repair visual C++" and repair "SW2"

Nothing helps. SW2 doesn't start, I just get the same error over and over again. If I start the program in spite of W10's warning the SW2 window looks very akward.
What to do? Help would be much appreciated.

73 / Kjell-Goran SM4GRP


RadioFrequency > ELAD SD2 > Icom Radio's Connection

 

A professional Freeware Program for HAM + SWL.
Including a Frequency dBase + dB-Converter + several useful features.

The latest update is ready in March 2018 for download. Version 1.6.0
Maybe you don't like the WebPage design. The Site is monitored by ClickTage and this solution was the only one to get visitors reading and not just Mouse-moving.
Download version 1.5.3: here : http://www.intrasystem.it/Frequency/Frequency.html

---------------------------------------------
RadioFrequency Basic Connections
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- A - to Icom Radio via SerialPort. COM3/COM4... Direct connection. Read/Set Freq/Mode/S-Meter.
- B - to Icom Radio via Omni-Rig. Direct connection. Read/Set Freq/Mode.
- C - to ELAD SD (RX 2..4) via Virtual Serial Ports. Read Freq/Mode/S-Meter.
- D - to ELAD SD using Omni-Rig and Virtual Ports. Read SD data (Freq/Mode/S-Meter) + Send to Icom Radio (Freq/Mode).
The RadioFrequency Frequencies in List 1..3 can be selected and sent to the Radio.
- E - Elad SD and Icom Radio direct connection selecting the Elad SD [Remote Ctrl]>[OmniRig].
RadioFrequency Port selection could be connected to a Virtual Port. (RX 2..4)
RadioFrequency OmniRig can't be used x this configuration. (OmniRig conflict)
It is suggested to use instead configuration ' D '.

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OMNI-RIG + SerialPort Conflicts - A Detail you should know
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RadioFrequency is including:
the OmniRig coded Class + the Interop.OmniRig.DLL that is returning the correct return value.
The Elad SD is not returning the correct OmniRig return value.
Il the Elad SD is not able to connect to OmniRig the return value/error is:
" Omnirig is not correctly installed!! ". This is wrong when OmniRig is correctly installed.
The RadioFrequency/Omni-Rig correct error is reading: " Rig is not responding ".

It is not possible to clean up the COM Ports. When a ComPort or OmniRig conflict is reported you should
- follow the Message
- normally it is necessary to close a program and re-open.
- close the Radio and re-open when you change connection and RadioFrequency is not showing the actual data.
- Radio and Programs must be again initialized (closed and re-opened)

To avoid conflicts it is suggested to choose the right configuration when starting RadioFrequency.
If you know that OmniRig is used by RadioFrequency (not ELAD SD) then open Omnirig after opening RadioFrequency.
In case of error (previous use of same Port) close and re-open the Radio, Elad SD and RadioFrequency.
Re-Open 1. Radio than 2. RadioFrequency than 3. the ELAD SD. ELAD SD should NOT use "the OmniRig".

When the ELAD SD2 is opened before RadioFrequency, The ELAD Software could by Default access the OmniRig which is wrong. (it seems like that)

Also changing from SerialPort COM-Port to Omnirig accessing same COM can cause this error.
You can't access the same COMPort twice from different software.

The Virtual COM Port number may change on different computers, when you install additional devices,
or when you switch the USB connection to a different USB port.

Any ComPort Conflict is never caused by RadioFrequency. The conflict is a internal Windows Device matter.

There are several possibilities to connect a Icom Radio the ELAD SD Receiver and RadioFrequency.


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What You need
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- a SerialPort connection x connecting to your Icom Radio. See details in [ About ].
- the Omni-Rig (Freeware) installed x connecting to the Elad SD and as alternative to the Icom Radio.
- a Virtual Serial Ports Emulator (http://www.eterlogic.com) limited freeware or Full version (payware)
- a Virtual Audio Cable Software (http://software.muzychenko.net/eng/vac.htm) Freeware x 3 Cables.
not requested but very useful x connecting the SD2 to more then one Software like fldig, CWSkimmer ecc...
- A simple Audio Connection from the Icom Radio Audio output to the PC Mic-Input is possible.
It is suggested to use a professional Interface like the Mini-ProSC from ZLP Elettronics.
Supplier: http://www.g4zlp.co.uk/unified/DM_MiniPro_SC.shtml. Including a professional SoundCard.

73
Raimund
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Re: ELAD FDM-S3

dave_m1ctk
 

Just to say yes the rsp1a is much better on airband / 137 mhz (weather sats) and Band II FM than the elad. Not so great on MW though but this is to be expected, the Elad as we all know is exceptional on this band and below LW

Dave
UK

On 5 March 2018 at 10:35, James Booth via Groups.Io <jbooth35@...> wrote:
Thank you all for the replies. Very interesting. Will await the S3 and see what it cane do. Hopefully will purchase when available. 



Re: ELAD FDM-S3

James Booth <jbooth35@...>
 

Thank you all for the replies. Very interesting. Will await the S3 and see what it cane do. Hopefully will purchase when available. 


Re: ELAD FDM-S3

Pat Turcotte <patmail01@...>
 

I use the SDRplay RSP1A with SDR-Console software.  It's awesome and you can't beat the price.

https://www.sdrplay.com/rsp1a/

http://www.sdr-radio.com/Software/Version3

73 de N4ENF, Pat


Re: ELAD FDM-S3

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

It will come down to the sample rate used in the S3, along with the input circuitry.  The DUO is clocked at 122.88MHz (using an LTC2125), same as the rate on the spec I've seen for the S3 (using an LTC2208).  On the DUO, you can undersample well past 144MHz, but the noise figure rises above 70MHz, and there are issues with band 2 FM  broadcast images on 144MHz.  A selective preamp at the masthead works sort-of OK with a DUO on 144MHz, but I still use a selection of high-performance transverters for serious work on that band.  I don't know if the drop in performance is inherent in the LTC2165, or just a result of the input circuit of the DUO.

I just did a quick test using a 50% on-off carrier on 2320.200000 MHz in CW mode from my HP E4421B with a 20dB Varda attenuator,  using my Kuhne MKU 23 G4 2320-144 transverter into a G4DDK Anglian 144-28 transverter.  Minimum discernable signal (MDS) was -152 dBm.  SNR reported on a steady tone in SW2 at 28200.000 kHz is about 8dB in 11.7Hz bins.

Changing to a direct connection from the Kuhne into the DUO at 144200.000 kHz, minimum discernable signal with on-off pulses into the Kuhne at 2320.2 is -143dBm. That shows about 8dB SNR in 11.7Hz bins on SW2 as well.

Not altogether scientific, but for this simple use-case, the DUO as a 2m IF on this transverter is 11dB worse on receive than a reasonably-good 144-28 transverter.  That might not sound too serious, but in the contest I took part in today on 13cm, more than half of the stations I worked would have been below the noise floor.

The noise floor as seen by the DUO is only 1dB higher with the transverter connected, so a few dB more signal might help swamp the input noise of the DUO on 144. A good 2m preamp with 10dB gain and sub-1dB NF between the transverter and DUO might be the solution.  Of course, you also need a 23dB transmit amplifier to get from the 0dBm output of the DUO to the 200mW or so that I get from the Anglian.  The additional complexity is not much different from using a transverter, but the transmit quality of the DUO is truly excellent in terms of IMDs, so if I can build a really linear 0dB to 23dBm 144MHz amplifier, and use a PGA144 or something for the receive side, it could be a very worthwhile improvement on the TX side. 

Has anyone measured the noise figure of an S2 at 100 and 144MHz, or measured the MDS at 14Mhz versus 100 and 144MHz? (DUO is quoted -132dBm MDS in 500Hz CW b/w at 14MHz)

Neil G4DBN


On 04/03/2018 17:39, Bill Nollman wrote:

The S2 also doesn’t officially cover 108-118MHz but you can tune and receive from 0-160MHz+.

Is sensitivity up to par all the way through the range, maybe. I’d expect the S3 to be similar.

Bill

 

From: EladSDR@groups.io <EladSDR@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alberto I2PHD
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 12:13 PM
To: EladSDR@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EladSDR] ELAD FDM-S3

 

On 3/4/2018 1:17 AM, James Booth via Groups.Io wrote:

Will this radio be wideband. Need a SDR that covers HF and airband. 
Any SDR radios cover this ? 


--
73 Alberto I2PHD
Credo Ut Intelligam





Re: ELAD FDM-S3

Bill Nollman
 

The S2 also doesn’t officially cover 108-118MHz but you can tune and receive from 0-160MHz+.

Is sensitivity up to par all the way through the range, maybe. I’d expect the S3 to be similar.

Bill

 

From: EladSDR@groups.io <EladSDR@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alberto I2PHD
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 12:13 PM
To: EladSDR@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EladSDR] ELAD FDM-S3

 

On 3/4/2018 1:17 AM, James Booth via Groups.Io wrote:

Will this radio be wideband. Need a SDR that covers HF and airband. 
Any SDR radios cover this ? 


--
73 Alberto I2PHD
Credo Ut Intelligam




Re: ELAD FDM-S3

Alberto I2PHD
 

On 3/4/2018 1:17 AM, James Booth via Groups.Io wrote:

Will this radio be wideband. Need a SDR that covers HF and airband. 
Any SDR radios cover this ? 



--
73 Alberto I2PHD
Credo Ut Intelligam






Re: ELAD FDM-S3

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