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A scratch built "Tweetsie" hopper car and some questions.


Tom Grabenstein
 

Hello  Fellow Fans of the ETWNC,

I hope this finds you well and anticipating a joyous Easter. My model  railroad friend, Bill Nelson, and I have just completed a scratchbuilt “Tweetsie” Hopper car for my future On30 layout. Here are a few pictures of the model in primer gray.


Well, now I have some questions for you good people. What is the prototype color of these cars in 1920 – 1923? Prototype pictures done in black-and-white appear to show a Black or very dark gray external paint job.


What do you all think? Should the next paint be black??

As a second followup question,any ideas where to get decals for these cars in the ET&WNC livery in “O” scale?

Thank you in advance for any information you could provide. It is appreciated.

Please have a blessed and peaceful Easter!

Doc Tom



Ken Riddle
 

Lampblack, linseed oil, and japan drier was the railroad recipe.


On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:17 PM, Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:

Hello  Fellow Fans of the ETWNC,

I hope this finds you well and anticipating a joyous Easter. My model  railroad friend, Bill Nelson, and I have just completed a scratchbuilt “Tweetsie” Hopper car for my future On30 layout. Here are a few pictures of the model in primer gray.


Well, now I have some questions for you good people. What is the prototype color of these cars in 1920 – 1923? Prototype pictures done in black-and-white appear to show a Black or very dark gray external paint job.


What do you all think? Should the next paint be black??

As a second followup question,any ideas where to get decals for these cars in the ET&WNC livery in “O” scale?

Thank you in advance for any information you could provide. It is appreciated.

Please have a blessed and peaceful Easter!

Doc Tom



Tuhr
 

Tom:  looks great and very good level of detail. I did my Sn3 hoppers in a very dark grey (NYC Dark Grey with some black added as I remember). My view being that black is too dark under artificial lighting. 

Please keep the photos coming. 


 

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On 18 Apr 2019, at 11:17 am, Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:

Hello  Fellow Fans of the ETWNC,

I hope this finds you well and anticipating a joyous Easter. My model  railroad friend, Bill Nelson, and I have just completed a scratchbuilt “Tweetsie” Hopper car for my future On30 layout. Here are a few pictures of the model in primer gray.

<fullsizeoutput_1777.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1778.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1779.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177a.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177b.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177c.jpeg>

Well, now I have some questions for you good people. What is the prototype color of these cars in 1920 – 1923? Prototype pictures done in black-and-white appear to show a Black or very dark gray external paint job.

<Hopper12End.jpeg><Hopper18l.jpg><img176.gif>

What do you all think? Should the next paint be black??

As a second followup question,any ideas where to get decals for these cars in the ET&WNC livery in “O” scale?

Thank you in advance for any information you could provide. It is appreciated.

Please have a blessed and peaceful Easter!

Doc Tom



johnny graybeal
 

I sell O scale ET&WNC decals for sale. $10  plus $2 for shipping. Does three stretched lettering cars and one Pre 1936 car.
Contact me for payment options.
Johnny Graybeal


Tom Grabenstein
 

Thank you Ken. This is very precise. I love all the materials from a bygone era that were used to make “the recipe.”

Doc Tom

On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ken Riddle <keriddle@...> wrote:

Lampblack, linseed oil, and japan drier was the railroad recipe.


On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:17 PM, Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:

Hello  Fellow Fans of the ETWNC,

I hope this finds you well and anticipating a joyous Easter. My model  railroad friend, Bill Nelson, and I have just completed a scratchbuilt “Tweetsie” Hopper car for my future On30 layout. Here are a few pictures of the model in primer gray.

<fullsizeoutput_1777.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1778.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1779.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177a.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177b.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177c.jpeg>

Well, now I have some questions for you good people. What is the prototype color of these cars in 1920 – 1923? Prototype pictures done in black-and-white appear to show a Black or very dark gray external paint job.

<Hopper12End.jpeg><Hopper18l.jpg><img176.gif>

What do you all think? Should the next paint be black??

As a second followup question,any ideas where to get decals for these cars in the ET&WNC livery in “O” scale?

Thank you in advance for any information you could provide. It is appreciated.

Please have a blessed and peaceful Easter!

Doc Tom




Ken Riddle
 

The lampblack was added to the linseed oil at 53 percent black and 46 percent oil with one percent Japan Drier.  That makes what is called “semi-paste”.  To paint with it it was mixed two parts semi paste to three parts boiled linseed oil.  It’s nasty stuff but it will make anything black.

Uncle Big John Lewis’ oldest boy Herbert worked in the summers for his Grandpa, William Lewis, who was B&B super.  One of his jobs every summer was painting all the water tanks.  He told me this was about like painting with asphalt!  Nasty stuff.

Herbert died a few years back and I think he was 102 years old.


On Apr 18, 2019, at 9:47 PM, Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:

Thank you Ken. This is very precise. I love all the materials from a bygone era that were used to make “the recipe.”

Doc Tom

On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ken Riddle <keriddle@...> wrote:

Lampblack, linseed oil, and japan drier was the railroad recipe.


On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:17 PM, Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:

Hello  Fellow Fans of the ETWNC,

I hope this finds you well and anticipating a joyous Easter. My model  railroad friend, Bill Nelson, and I have just completed a scratchbuilt “Tweetsie” Hopper car for my future On30 layout. Here are a few pictures of the model in primer gray.

<fullsizeoutput_1777.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1778.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1779.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177a.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177b.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177c.jpeg>

Well, now I have some questions for you good people. What is the prototype color of these cars in 1920 – 1923? Prototype pictures done in black-and-white appear to show a Black or very dark gray external paint job.

<Hopper12End.jpeg><Hopper18l.jpg><img176.gif>

What do you all think? Should the next paint be black??

As a second followup question,any ideas where to get decals for these cars in the ET&WNC livery in “O” scale?

Thank you in advance for any information you could provide. It is appreciated.

Please have a blessed and peaceful Easter!

Doc Tom




Steve Austin <sea110947@...>
 

Ken, you are a wealth of information. Mostly useful😁

-------- Original message --------
From: Ken Riddle <keriddle@...>
Date: 4/19/19 9:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: ETWNC@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] A scratch built "Tweetsie" hopper car and some questions.

The lampblack was added to the linseed oil at 53 percent black and 46 percent oil with one percent Japan Drier.  That makes what is called “semi-paste”.  To paint with it it was mixed two parts semi paste to three parts boiled linseed oil.  It’s nasty stuff but it will make anything black.

Uncle Big John Lewis’ oldest boy Herbert worked in the summers for his Grandpa, William Lewis, who was B&B super.  One of his jobs every summer was painting all the water tanks.  He told me this was about like painting with asphalt!  Nasty stuff.

Herbert died a few years back and I think he was 102 years old.


On Apr 18, 2019, at 9:47 PM, Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:

Thank you Ken. This is very precise. I love all the materials from a bygone era that were used to make “the recipe.”

Doc Tom

On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ken Riddle <keriddle@...> wrote:

Lampblack, linseed oil, and japan drier was the railroad recipe.


On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:17 PM, Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:

Hello  Fellow Fans of the ETWNC,

I hope this finds you well and anticipating a joyous Easter. My model  railroad friend, Bill Nelson, and I have just completed a scratchbuilt “Tweetsie” Hopper car for my future On30 layout. Here are a few pictures of the model in primer gray.

<fullsizeoutput_1777.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1778.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1779.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177a.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177b.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177c.jpeg>

Well, now I have some questions for you good people. What is the prototype color of these cars in 1920 – 1923? Prototype pictures done in black-and-white appear to show a Black or very dark gray external paint job.

<Hopper12End.jpeg><Hopper18l.jpg><img176.gif>

What do you all think? Should the next paint be black??

As a second followup question,any ideas where to get decals for these cars in the ET&WNC livery in “O” scale?

Thank you in advance for any information you could provide. It is appreciated.

Please have a blessed and peaceful Easter!

Doc Tom




Ken Riddle
 

Ha!  I don’t know why anybody would want to mix up that nasty paint stuff!!

Ken


On Apr 19, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Steve Austin <sea110947@...> wrote:

Ken, you are a wealth of information. Mostly useful😁

-------- Original message --------
From: Ken Riddle <keriddle@...>
Date: 4/19/19 9:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] A scratch built "Tweetsie" hopper car and some questions.

The lampblack was added to the linseed oil at 53 percent black and 46 percent oil with one percent Japan Drier.  That makes what is called “semi-paste”.  To paint with it it was mixed two parts semi paste to three parts boiled linseed oil.  It’s nasty stuff but it will make anything black.

Uncle Big John Lewis’ oldest boy Herbert worked in the summers for his Grandpa, William Lewis, who was B&B super.  One of his jobs every summer was painting all the water tanks.  He told me this was about like painting with asphalt!  Nasty stuff.

Herbert died a few years back and I think he was 102 years old.


On Apr 18, 2019, at 9:47 PM, Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:

Thank you Ken. This is very precise. I love all the materials from a bygone era that were used to make “the recipe.”

Doc Tom

On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ken Riddle <keriddle@...> wrote:

Lampblack, linseed oil, and japan drier was the railroad recipe.


On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:17 PM, Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:

Hello  Fellow Fans of the ETWNC,

I hope this finds you well and anticipating a joyous Easter. My model  railroad friend, Bill Nelson, and I have just completed a scratchbuilt “Tweetsie” Hopper car for my future On30 layout. Here are a few pictures of the model in primer gray.

<fullsizeoutput_1777.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1778.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1779.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177a.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177b.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177c.jpeg>

Well, now I have some questions for you good people. What is the prototype color of these cars in 1920 – 1923? Prototype pictures done in black-and-white appear to show a Black or very dark gray external paint job.

<Hopper12End.jpeg><Hopper18l.jpg><img176.gif>

What do you all think? Should the next paint be black??

As a second followup question,any ideas where to get decals for these cars in the ET&WNC livery in “O” scale?

Thank you in advance for any information you could provide. It is appreciated.

Please have a blessed and peaceful Easter!

Doc Tom