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Re: ETNC Standard Gauge Paint Schemes

Ken Riddle <ken290@...>
 

That RS-3 is now at TVRM in Chattanooga

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Barnes [mailto:richard.barnes3@...]
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:44 PM
To: Tweetsie@...
Subject: Re: [Tweetsie] ETNC Standard Gauge Paint Schemes


If I remember correctly, the fellows up in Salem VA who got the old Salem
spur through the NS "thoroughbred" deal also got the old ETWNC (?) RS-3, so
they should know the color scheme, markings etc. I remember back in the
early 90's they got it and did not have any repair manuals and needed to
repair the turbo -- I traded them all my RS-3 books (except the "drivers
manual") for a bunch of Fairmont parts and one or two complete Fairmonts. I
remember that I thought I came out real well on that deal, since the manuals
had come from a big box of manuals that had belonged to an engineer down at
Spencer -- paid $5.00 for the whole box!!! I can't remember their names
but they had hung around the VA Trans Museum for a long time and one of them
had a dad very high up in the N&W. The folk in Roanoke surely know who they
are....

Richard Barnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Franklin West" <mwest4@...>
To: "tweetsie" <Tweetsie@...>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 3:22 PM
Subject: [Tweetsie] ETNC Standard Gauge Paint Schemes


I'll ask the standard gauge question again since we are off zip drives,
whatever they are!

When the ETWNC standard gauge engines were painted green, were the
boilers painted, too, or were they planished? Were the cab roofs ever
painted red either under green or black paint? Were the smokeboxes
graphited or aluminum painted and were the windows trimmed in red? Were
the drivers trimmed in silver or white? What color were their zip
drives?!!
I am modifying a Buddy "L" 4-6-2 engine in 5/8 scale to a ETWNC 2-8-0
and want to be reasonably accurate.

Second question is on the 215 Diesel on the ET Rwy. The lettering is
different on each side. Eng side says East Tennesse Rail and Fireman
side says East Tennessee Railway. Is there a reason for this difference
and which is the correct lettering?
There is also a gold stripe surrounding the engine just below the engine
hood. Was that gold stripe a Southern Rwy marking or added by ET Rwy? I
am considering modifying a USA Trains NW2 in Southern colors to ET
Rwy.mw


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Re: Clique/clack

Philip Snyder <psnyder@...>
 

The squeaky wheel gets the grease......right? In the Prez's defense, I have
to say that at functions like the celebration at the gorge he is usually
being pulled in twenty different directions all day.....as with other
distinguished members of the society. You have to make yourself known or no
one will notice you.....unless you are wearing a tu-tu and heels! I met
several of the people on the list at the convention and found that if you'll
initiate conversation you're cup will soon overrunneth with ET related
babble. It's just great.

Did I just take up for Johnny?........pathetic.

Philip


I share the feeling. Attended an annual meeting as a new member some
years
back and was engaged in conversation only by my own initative throughout
the
weekend. No one seemed interested in who I was or what my interest might
be
or...........?

Spent THE two days at the Gorge with Rachel and was kindly ignored by even
The President. Learned later that 'Members of the Historical Society' got
together Monday morning. Somehow the invitation sailed by my door though
I
was staying in nearby Elizabethton.

Having put 70 years into volunteer organizations and institutions I have
learned that until you push your way into "the group" that sees itself as
being the core, you will always be on the fringe.

So I attend these meetings and utilize these lists knowing that for the
most
part I shall be overlooked. Not intentionally ignored, mind you, just
overlooked due to the press of other concerns that preoccupy the agendas
of
those in the know!

It is not all wasted and don't let yourelf become upset about it. We do
manage to pilfer a lot of good information from 'their' discussions. And,
what the hell, if you do get warmly recognized, welcomed and responded to,
you'll be nominated for office and become one of them! (Tongue in cheek -
Heh, Heh, Heh)

Blessing+ Charlie IBCS

Re: Subject matter

Robert Bell <feequine@...>
 

At 07:08 AM 10/30/2000 -0600, you wrote:
What is your main interest in the ET&WNC?? Is it history? Is it modeling?
Is it narrow gauge? Picture collecting?
My main interest is the White Pass & Yukon Route. I joined the historical society about 1989, (a year after it started). I like all narrow gauge except for the Colorado stuff as there is really very little left to discover about it. Another reason I enjoy the ET group and society so much, is that east TN and western NC are a LOT closer to Florida than Skagway, AK. I have been to several conventions over the years, (1991,1996, 2000) and I rode the passenger special between JC and E'ton in 1995.

The White Pass had the ET's 10 and 14 as well as a tankcar or two during WWII, (along with K-28's, C&S #69 & 70, some SN locos and two SV locos to name a few). So here again I'm interested.

I model in HOn3, and have a layout under way, no track down yet. So with a little modeler's licence, I have an ET & WNC gondola to pull behind a WP&YR GE class 90 diesel.
I know, I know!! ...The 11th commandment: Thou shalt not speak diesel.
But in the Book of Narrow Guage, He adds: ...Unless it be three feet between thine rails.

Overall, I have enjoyed the Society and it's doings immensely, I always look forward to the Stemwinder and it's tails from a simpler time. This list is the greatest though, we get to share info and insight so quickly. Through the list I have gotten to better know people I had only met at the conventions or special occations. I really like that aspect as I believe that we have the best group out there. (Don't believe me?? Just subscribe to the EBT list and read all their nit-picky gripes, kinda like Bill Cosby's kids: Wouldyoustoptouchingme!!!)

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Robert Bell
Division Chief,
White Pass & Yukon Route,
Greenwood Division
Port St. John, FL

The in crowd is not crowded enuf!!

Ken Riddle <ken290@...>
 

Glad to see all the responses from the group--where are the rest of you???

I didn't join the society until just this last year but I guarantee you it
is a good bunch of people.

We have over 100 people on this discussion group and I want to get something
started that does not involve paint color or combine 15, currently a
political prisoner in flat country (sorry couldn't help myself)

I want to talk up next year's convention. Let's do something completely
different!

How about some stuff on the standard gauge??

Could probably do a trip in the gorge on Sunday AM with Rachel--what ya
think?

Let's start talking about it, set it up, and get the word out and really
have a good one!

I want to get all the families of the ET&WNC men together for a picnic in
the spring of next year. We will be in all the local papers rounding up
names.

Would you like to have that in conjunction with the ETWNCHS convention??

Come on you all!!!! Let's talk about it and get something going!
Ken Riddle

Re: The in crowd is not crowded enuf!!

Robin Quinn
 

Ken, you may not remember me, but I had the pleasure of meeting you at the open house, Sunday, October 15th...you told me to be sure and thank Terry Maughon for letting the DRG thing come to pass! I hardly ever respond, but sure do love seeing what everyone else has to share...I have been a Tweetsie fan nearly all my 35 years and have even had the privilige to work for TRR while attending ASU in Boone...(I worked in the country fair!) I met Mike West and Johnny Graybeal for the first at the open house and had the pleasure of being seated next to Mr West on the first train up the gorge that day! I just wanted to thank all of you, everyone who ever contributes to this forum...I enjoy reading it, all of it, no matter what it is and just thank God Almighty that there is a place for people like us who all love the ET & WNC who can come together and share or whatever moves us! Let's do the Rachel trip in the gorge again REAL SOON!

Robin Q


From: "Ken Riddle" <ken290@...>
Reply-To: Tweetsie@...
To: <Tweetsie@...>
Subject: [Tweetsie] The in crowd is not crowded enuf!!
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:34:01 -0600

Glad to see all the responses from the group--where are the rest of you???

I didn't join the society until just this last year but I guarantee you it
is a good bunch of people.

We have over 100 people on this discussion group and I want to get something
started that does not involve paint color or combine 15, currently a
political prisoner in flat country (sorry couldn't help myself)

I want to talk up next year's convention. Let's do something completely
different!

How about some stuff on the standard gauge??

Could probably do a trip in the gorge on Sunday AM with Rachel--what ya
think?

Let's start talking about it, set it up, and get the word out and really
have a good one!

I want to get all the families of the ET&WNC men together for a picnic in
the spring of next year. We will be in all the local papers rounding up
names.

Would you like to have that in conjunction with the ETWNCHS convention??

Come on you all!!!! Let's talk about it and get something going!
Ken Riddle
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Re: The in crowd is not crowded enuf!!

Philip Snyder <psnyder@...>
 

Hey Robin.......UNCT (University of North Carolina at Tweetsie, for those of
you who don't know) huh? Me too......when were you there? I was at App in
'85 and '86.....passing Tweetsie MANY times on our way to "The Rock" during
our beer-running days! You can't beat Yosef!

Glad you're here!

Philip

Re: Clique/clack

johnny graybeal
 

Sir,
I sincerely apologize if you feel snubbed during the weekend at the Gorge.
Saturday was spent getting everything ready for Sunday, and as Ken said
earlier, we did have about 2000 people there. I did not have the
opportunity to get into real conversations with anyone.
Sunday was a bear. I had old people who I didn't know from Adam come over
and sit down in my lawn chair, then talk rude to me when I started asking
about pictures. Turns out someone stiffed them out of a couple of pictures
several years ago, so they won't even let a person come to the house and
copy them. But they liked my lawn chair.
Honestly, I talked to hundreds of people that day. i was hoarse for two
days afterward. Talking to the public was what the Gorge people wanted me
to do. John Q. Public has to be kept entertained while they wait for two
hours to ride a little train. The officers all share the blessing/curse of
everyone knowing them, and we knowing far fewer of them. I have been at
conventions for years now, and am eternally glad for nametags, or I wouldn't
remember anyone. I usually learn about two or three names each year.
The events for Monday were all in the newsletter. The "Historical Society
getting together" was the official ceremony that day. The time was not set
in stone when the newsletter came out but it was on the 15th.
As far as the "clique" element is concerned, I appealed just a month ago for
the conversation to stay on this group, rather than go off into a chat room.
I have worked for years trying to build new members into this Society, for I
fear that if we ever become "just a little group", then the future of the
Society will be very short indeed.
I"m glad to have you on board, and I apologize again for not having the time
to talk.
Johnny Graybeal
President

-----Original Message-----
From: stficare@... <stficare@...>
To: Tweetsie@... <Tweetsie@...>
Date: Monday, October 30, 2000 8:30 PM
Subject: [Tweetsie] Clique/clack



Spent THE two days at the Gorge with Rachel and was kindly ignored by even
The President. Learned later that 'Members of the Historical Society' got
together Monday morning. Somehow the invitation sailed by my door though I
was staying in nearby Elizabethton.

Re: Subject matter

Robert Duncan <SouthernRR_Ps4@...>
 

--- Ken Riddle <ken290@...> wrote:
OK boys here's one I'd like to see! Everybody's got
to respond--

What is your main interest in the ET&WNC?? Is it
history? Is it modeling?
Is it narrow gauge? Picture collecting?
Personally, it is that it was a significant railroad
of the South. (Not that there are any significant
railroads up north!) I didn't really get interested in
narrow gauge until I ran the General & Texas last year
at Six Flags RR. BUT, now I am ALMOST as interested in
N.G. as std. gauge. Just gotta get used to the smaller
than norml loco.s. Also the mountains have a little to
do with it. Beautiful scenery! And last but not least,
hearing where Ken wound up after New Georgia had a
little to do with it too. SO THAR! That's my intrest.

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true confessions of an ET&WNC modeler

C Ford <cfordart@...>
 

Hey y'all,
Well, if everybody else is jumpin' off the bridge, I guess I will too.
I'm Chris Ford, and got interested in the ET over 20 years ago, early in
my model railroading days, when Mal Ferrell's "Tweetsie Country" came
out. Got interested in narrow gauge real heavy, seems like a lot of
people were. The Gazette was starting to go real good and alot of folks
were jumping on the bandwagon. Started a layout, but mother nature took
over and our newborn daughter took over my modeling time. At about the
same time, a feller named John Waite came along, and I made the mistake
(hehehe) of volunteering. Didn't they teach you in the army *not* to
volunteer? Anyway, that volunteer bit turned into John and I working on
the "Stemwinder" for the past 13 years. I have no regrets. My focus
turned from modeling, to historical research and mapmaking.

I'm a one railroad man, and probably always will be, except for the
Southern and Clinchfield, which I dabble in only because they
interchanged with the ET.

Have enjoyed the conventions, my only live contact with other ET maniacs,
and enjoy their company. Hey, and sometimes *I* feel like an outsider
just 'cause I'm a flatlander from way over here in Memphis :)

Hopefully, one day the book will be done, I'll have a new layout room
with a new house attached to it, and I'll get back into the modeling part
of the railroad. Hope I can still see by then :)

Ok, somebody elses turn to run this thing. See y'all,
Chris


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Chris Ford
cfordart@...

http://www.mindspring.com/~cfordart/etwnc/home.html

Re: true confessions of an ET&WNC modeler

Philip Snyder <psnyder@...>
 

I'm Chris Ford, and got interested in the ET over 20 years ago, early in
my model railroading days, when Mal Ferrell's "Tweetsie Country" came
out.
Wow Chris......you're OLD! :)~

I'd tell you all about myself, but then you'd all be REALLY afraid and I'd
become alienated! I will tell you that I was a dyed in the wool Southern
fanatic until a friend suggested that I might like the A&R video. I bought
it and have been hooked ever since.

That's all you'll be able to take.

Philip

ET Interest

smithfam
 

Okay, I guess it's my turn. My name is Dean Smith, and I got
interested in the ET back in about 1983. I had been a modeler for
several years and decided that I wanted to model a prototype narrow
gauge railroad. I did not want to go the Colorado route. So I was
flipping through old Model Railroaders and stumbled into the article
about the ET (was it July, 1980?). I decided from that article that
this was the railroad for me. I purchased Ferrell's book and
attempted to join the old Friends of the ET&WNC. I was at home one
night (in St. James, Missouri) when I got a fateful phone call. This
fellow named John Waite had gotten my name from a hobby shop owner in
St. Louis. We met in DeSoto and planned a joint trip to the ET
area. I'll never forget my first trip. First, it was my first view
of any mountains outside of the Ozarks. Second, I was seeing things
that I had been reading about for several years. John and I hiked
the gorge with his son, Brandon. (This was several years before the
Christian camp purchased the area). I remember finding a beautiful
cowboy hat with a rattlesnake skin trim hanging on a tree. John and
Brandon wanted to take it, but I am still glad a talked them out of
it. I wouldn't have wanted to run into the owner with it on my
head. The first Stemwinder (the one before Chris) followed. I wrote
an article for it and commented that the trackwork was still there (I
hadn't heard about Hillybilly World at the time). Well, that got
people going.
I am modeling the ET&WNC in HOn3 in my basement near Rolla, MO.
I have a 29 foot by 23 foot room. I've modeled the towns of Johnson
City, Hampton (yes, with a red covered bridge), the Gorge, Cranberry,
Linville, Shulls Mills, and Boone. All of the trackwork is complete,
and I use Digitrax Command Control. The hardshell is complete, and I
have a few structures done. My railroad will probably be in the tour
book for the 2001 NMRA meet in St. Louis. Would love to have any of
you out. I have three children and am very busy in Scouting and
other activities, so the railroad has had to take a back seat for
several years now. I know a good many of you from past conventions
(my wife, Sandy, and my kids, Greg, Stephen, and Becky) try to make
it out every few years.
I read the egroups thing with interest, and particularly like
the photos. I have a place to model the tanbark scene from the
National Geographic article, so seeing that was particularly
exciting. I guess I've rambled on long enough. Again, I offer a
standing invitation to anyone visiting in the mid-Missouri area. Let
me know in advance so I can excavate the railroad and maybe even get
in running.

Subject matter

George Gilbert <grgilbert@...>
 

Joley, you are right, we got a bit off topic with the Zip drives. I suspect
we just hit on a topic that lots of us had some expertise and knowledge. So
we all fired back an answer about the same time. This List became the
Tweetsie Zip Drive Symposium.
George Gilbert

Message: 3
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:36:41 -0000
From: "Joley Ferguson" <jomoferg@...>
Subject: Subject matter

I don't get it. Before I joined this E-mail group, anytime I e-
mailed someone about the ET&WNC RR, all I ever got was.... you need
to join the Tweetsie group. Lots of info there... These guys will
answer your questions... Real nice guys... Well, I asked questions
pertaining to the RR and they go unanswered. Ignored, if you will.
Then we get someone asking about zip drives. Answers and help are
free flowing. Once again, I don't get it. Is it because no one
knows me personnaly? I'm not in the "in crowd"? If someone could
tell me why, I would appreciate it.

Joley Ferguson

Re: Subject matter

tssmith@...
 

--- In Tweetsie@..., "Ken Riddle" <ken290@h...> wrote:
OK boys here's one I'd like to see! Everybody's got to respond--

What is your main interest in the ET&WNC?? Is it history? Is it
modeling?
Is it narrow gauge? Picture collecting?

How bout it guys--start posting!!
Ken Riddle

My interest in the ET&WNC goes back to when I a kid. My great-uncle
used to tell me stories of riding the tweetsie train from boone to jc.
Now as a kid I really thought he was just telling me stories to keep
me entertained. I have always love trains. Every year I would have to
go ride Tweetsie at least once. As a matter of fact its was not till
I was 18 that I saw the #12 run. When I was a kid I always wanted
to be the fireman on the Tweetsie train not the engineer. I thought
you had to be like over 50 to be an engineer. On May 17, 1997 my
dream came true. I was the fireman at Tweetsie. I never thought I
would advance past that point. Well, I did, on May 24, 1998 I took
the throttle on #190 and on July 6th I made my first complete lap
around Tweetsie RR. The rest is history. It gives me a great pride
to know that Im operating the two most famous engines in the state of
NC. Also to know that Im helping to preserve the part of the history
of the ET&WNC and WP&Y. Other than operating the #12 and #190, I have
also run or fired 6 other locomotives. They are #604 and #1925 at
Spencer, DRG's Rachel, Dollywoods #192 and #70, and #9 at the Denton
farm park.

Other than my engineering im also a modeler. I model in G-scale. I
currently possess 7 engines and over 25 cars. I have a small
collection of ET and TRR artifacts. I enjoy learning about the
history of the WP&Y and ET&WNC. Especially the engines and the
crews. Iam trying to learn as much as I can of the history of #12
and #190.

If anyone is interested in seeing some of my models or photos of my
collection. I am willing to share them.

Tim Smith
Engineer,
Tweetsie RR &
ET&WNC DRG Division

True Confessions

tuhr.barnes@...
 

Well......I model the ET&WNC. That's where my main interest is.
However, I find the prototype information in the Stemwinder and e-mail list
great. I have a three-ring binder full of e-mail print outs just waiting
to be organized!

In 1980 I joined the Purdue University Railroad Club. At that time,
almost everyone was interested in the big western railroads. I was looking
for something different and spent about three years modelling the Southern.
After tiring of standard gauge trains, I started to look at various narrow
gauge operations. (Side note, working as a Roadmaster for the Santa Fe
probably had as much to do with my losing interest in standard gauge trains
as anything.) After looking at Colorado and other Western U.S. lines, I
became interested in the EBT. However, it was just a little too close to
standard gauge for my liking. A friend suggested the Tweetsie and gave me
a copy of the old NMRA article from the early sixty's. As a scout I had
backpacked the Appalachian Trail along the TN/NC border. So, a connection
was born. Having camped at Roan Mountain I was hooked.

Started modelling the ET in HOn3. This lasted about two years when I
decided to change to Sn3 and sold off my HOn3 cars and lots of parts. At
the time I lived in California and so joined the Slim Gauge Guild. My
family and I moved to Denver in 1995. I was probably the only person
living in Colorado who modelled the ET exclusively. Love those Colorado
mountains and the trains were great too but my interest has remained with
the ET.

As to my modelling, the last Stemwinder has an article on my first
locomotive. I also have in process a model of first #8. Hope to finish it
early next year. Layout is a switching yard only that can easily be moved.
I am considering following a fellow on the e-groups Sn3 list who is talking
about setting up a yard at one end and a staging area at the other end and
building "temporary" scenery in between. The idea being to be able to
change the middle or discard it in a move, as necessary, without a huge
loss in money or effort.

To sum it up, I am interested in almost any aspect of the ET&WNC and
certainly appreciate the efforts of others such as John Waite, Chris Ford,
Ken Riddle and so many others.





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Re: Subject matter

Jerry S <cmstc@...>
 

Ken Riddle wrote:

OK boys here's one I'd like to see! Everybody's got to respond--

What is your main interest in the ET&WNC?? Is it history? Is it modeling?
Is it narrow gauge? Picture collecting?
For me, history is #1. I've always had an interest in the time between the two great wars. It certainly was a
pivotal era for our country. (If you haven't read Tom Brokaw's book, "The Greatest Generation", I highly recommend
it.)
I first visited Tweetsie when I was in high school in the late 1960's. At that time I had an interest in trains and
history, but never put it together that the Tweetsie was, at one time, a real railroad and not just an amusement
park. I'm not native to NC, so I'll use that as an excuse.
After finding the back issue of Model Railroader that featured the Tweetsie in an Ohio hobby shop, I began reading
all that I could about the real railroad. The more I read, the more I became interested. I guess it's the way this
little railroad was so intertwined with the communities it served.
I attended the first convention and was so pleased that Mallory Ferrell was kind enough to sign my copy of Tweetsie
Country. I've been to a couple of others as well and always had a good time. I've missed the last several due to
conflicts that I could not avoid.
I do model the Southern and the N&W in the Bristol area and do have the layout setup for a possible second level for
the ET & WNC in HOn3, should appropriate motive power become available. I do have all the G gauge stuff, and would
like to do a garden railway, but suspect that will have to wait until I retire.
I usually just lurk here on the list as I usually don't have answers for those who ask questions. It's not because
I'm not interested!
Ken, I will be at the convention this year! I certainly hope that Rachel will be part of the festivities.

Jerry A. Shepardson
Eat Taters and Wear No Clothes!

Bachmann 4-6-0

tuhr.barnes@...
 

At one point there was discussion on the list that Bachmann was coming out
with an improved G-scale ten-wheeler this fall. Has that occurred? Did I
miss it?

After all, the gift giving season is coming up quick!

Tuhr.



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Re: Bachmann 4-6-0

Tim Smith <tssmith@...>
 

They are not out yet. I hope they are coming soon. I'm going to get one
and turn it in to the #14 or the #9
I have all of the other #'s

Tim

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To: <tweetsie@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:25 AM
Subject: [Tweetsie] Bachmann 4-6-0


At one point there was discussion on the list that Bachmann was coming out
with an improved G-scale ten-wheeler this fall. Has that occurred? Did I
miss it?

After all, the gift giving season is coming up quick!

Tuhr.



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Re: The in crowd is not crowded enuf!!

trainsnc@...
 

I joined the society a couple years ago. I have also joined the East
Carolina Chapter and the Old North State Chapters of the NRHS. The East
Carolina Chapter really made me feel welcome. I received welcome mail, was
invited to a gathering, introduced both formally and informally. The Old
North State Chapter was smaller but similar. Really made me feel welcome.
Also, both Chapters are have programs in preservation, restoration and in
sharing information. There are good newsletters and the officers made sure
that I was both welcome and encouraged my participation. I as really made to
feel welcome and appreciated.

By contrast, I get the sense that the ET&WNC Chapter is a captive of the
Commercial Tweetsie operation and the Christian Camp. I am not saying that
is bad but the Society seems to get lost in these operations. The officers
seem to rather ignore the membership and focus on their relationship with
these organizations. Now a lot has been accomplished in restoring track in
the Gorge but to my way of thinking, there is more to the ET&WNC and the
society than the Gorge track project.

Soon after I joined, I suggested some study groups to look into and share
info on other aspects of the old ET&WNC operations. There did not seem to be
much interest from the leaders who seem involved in commercial ventures, book
deals, in building personal collections etc. I think all of these activities
are fine for individuals but where is the Historic Society in all of this. I
was really saddened to see the little museum at Tweetsie go. I wonder what
happened to the artifacts and if the society is interested in developing a
new museum or is willing to partner with someone in such a project.

Now, please, the book work is fantastic, the Gorge work is wonderful, the
Tweetsie Operation is commercial but at least the old engine has not been
scraped and a lot of kids become hooked on railroads through the rides (it
has its place). But these things in themselves do not a Historic Society
make........

I hate the fact that the old Johnson City ET&WNC Station seems ignored.
Efforts should be made to secure and restore the station. All the Cranberry
buildings were lost in the past few years without much concern as near as I
can tell. Lots of other buildings are now gone. Where has the society been
through the years? And now, let us hope that the motorcar built by the
ET&WNC shops does not get lost in meeting the camp need for a larger vehicle.


Now, I am not complaining. Just making some observations. I go on my way
with other projects. But I still have a special place in my heart for the
ET&WNC and will hang around. Maybe someday, the society will be a bit more
involved in developing a broader base. Maybe someday, there will be some
interest in getting artifacts out of private collections and into some kind
of society sponsored museum. Maybe someday, we can all participate in one
way or another.

Now, I can hear some of you say, where is everyone when we have a work
weekend at Spencer or at the Gorge. Well, some have the time and the
physical abilities to get into such projects. But the NRHS is more than a
couple projects. There should be a place for those who have other skills to
share or who cannot be physically present.

So, in answer to your question about the meeting next year, how about looking
at the Society, its goals and its objectives separate from the Tweetsie
commercial operation and separate from the Christian Camp. The Society
should rightly appreciate both of these activities and be supportive but
needs some identity of its own as well.

Karl Kleeman

ETWNC track at Hampton TN

Franklin West <mwest4@...>
 

There was a wye at Hampton TN put in to turn the Jitney passenger
railcar in about 1924/5. From what I can figure, it veered off the
mainline at a point just before the thru covered bridge and formed a wye
somewhere around the old Ritter operation, which, I believe was gone by
then. A few questions on that wye:
Was it used to turn ETWNC trains?
When was it removed? Why?
Was there a scheduled train that ran just from JCY to Hampton and
returned to JCY daily? What years did it operate?
Was that wye a Ritter wye or was it put in by ETWNC just for the Jitney
turnaround?
Was there a time when the Jitney was in service that it did not turn
around, but returned to JCY in reverse?

See the modeling potential here? Jcy, EZ, Valley Forge deck bridge,
then Hampton covered deck bridge through tunnel Nr One, to a wye at
Hampton with thru trains going on through the Hampton covered thru
bridge! Perfect for a small layout!

Anybody have any info on the above questions??mw

Off list

Jim King <jimking@...>
 

Hi all,

Will be off list rest of week. Back on Saturday.

Jim King