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Convention

William C. Oram <wcoram@...>
 

I have one guy wanting to share a room for the two nights of the convention. It would be better to have at least one more "roomie".
Any takers?
Thanks, Bill Oram Raleigh,NC

On3 decals are announced

Jim King <jking@...>
 

Hi all,

I just received pricing for the ET&WNC On3 38' flat car kit decals.
Retail price is $7.50 per set, postpaid. They are printed by an ALPS
printer on thin-film decal paper. If you've never seen the comparison
between silk screened decals and the laser printed version by ALPS, this
set will really open your eyes. No ragged edges ... white is really
white, not transparent ... and 2" characters even in HO scale are still
legible!

There are enough characters per decal set to letter 1 1/2 cars so you've
got plenty of spares. Also, the set will correctly letter all of the
ET's flats, regardless of length (I'm getting ready for the 32 footers
later this year!).

Since first announcing the flat car kit, I've decided to offer a kit
version that includes decals as well. Here are the three kit options
and related pricing:

Kit no. ET-48F1 ... complete kit w/ trucks, couplers and decals ... $65
each
Kit no. ET-48F2 ... includes trucks & couplers, no decals ... $59 each
Kit no. ET-48F3 ... basic kit (no trucks, couplers or decals) ... $49
each

Shipping per order is still $5.50

For those of you who've already paid for your kits, I will include
decals at no additional charge ... just let me know by email or snail
mail if you want decals for each kit.

Thanks for supporting this new kit.

Jim King
Smoky Mountain Model Works

Testing 123, Testing (Ignore me)

Sergent, Frank <Frank_Sergent@...>
 

Just checking to see if I'm back onlist. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Re: 99 Convention

Phread <fred1945@...>
 

Bill,

I'm thinking about going, if you wouldn't mind a "Yankee" room-mate?

Phread

William C. Oram wrote:

Any one going to the convention that would like to share a room? I
would like to go on friday thsi year but can not pay for two
nightsmyself. I don't mind sharing with 2 or 3 other guys. I can sleep
on the couch or floor as long as I have a place to shower and
shave.let me know.Bill Oram RAleigh,NC

99 Convention

William C. Oram <wcoram@...>
 

Any one going to the convention that would like to share a room? I would like to go on friday thsi year but can not pay for two nights
myself. I don't mind sharing with 2 or 3 other guys. I can sleep on the couch or floor as long as I have a place to shower and shave.
let me know.
Bill Oram RAleigh,NC

Re: stock cars

johnny graybeal <johnnyg@...>
 

Tom,
It's nice to know that someone else managed to wade through the red tape
of the National Archives. They had this information on the ET&WNC, but did
not have the engineers field notes, which would have had a wealth of
information on the railroad. I did find the EFNotes for the Virginia and
Southwestern to Mountain City and it had info on every bridge, fill and
trestle. According to the Nat Arc not everything was kept. Other people
need to access these records or someday we may find that what we saw has
been trashed. Glad to have you aboard.
Johnny Graybeal
President ET&WNC RR Historical Society

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Armstrong <tom@...>
To: Tweetsie <tweetsie@...>
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 9:36 AM
Subject: [Tweetsie] stock cars


From: "Tom Armstrong" <tom@...>

Greetings:

I recently joined this list, just to see what others are posting about the
ET&WNC. I have little original material to add. However, I do have copies I
made about four years ago at the National Archives, of ICC Valuation data
on the ET&WNC. The recent remark about stock cars made me look at what I
have. I copied the original hand-written notes. There is generally one
page per car or locomotive, although sometimes one page just references the
data on another page. Not all cars are included.

In April, 1917, W.B. Combs from the ICC made the following notes about
stock car No. 90:

Built by ET&WNC, est. date built, 1905.
Capacity: 24,000
weight: 17,600
length over end sills: 33' 2"
width over side sills: 8' 10"
underframe, superstructure, center and end sills, end of car: wood
roof: tin
doors: two side, no end
body bolsters: wood
draft timbers: wood
draft rigging: single spring ???? (can�t read last word)
Mfg. GS? Or 65? Or 6.5? stops (can�t read this one either)
air brake schedule: �6"
trucks: arch bar
truck bolsters: wood
wheels, C.I., 8, diameter: 24"
journals: 3 3/4" x 6"
safety appliances: yes
6 sills
four truss rods - 1 1/8"
roof, body, floor condition: bad
underframe condition: fair
trucks: good
Maintenance: normal, in regular service

There was also a compilation of all such reports. For the stock cars it
shows:
Nos. 90-92 - 3 cars
date built: unknown
wood construction
30,000 lb. Capacity
length 33'
width 7'
height 7'
weight 17,500

Based on these two statements, one specific for one car and the other
general for three cars, I would guess that the three cars were different. I
am sorry the data for the other two cars was not included, but that�s how
it goes with the ICC data.

In the recent �The Blue Ridge Stemwinder� article on stock cars, it
mentions that there were three stock cars listed in Poor�s between 1918 and
1926. These are probably the cars.

There is lots of other interesting stuff in the rest of the ICC field
notes. Perhaps I can share more later. Or, has this information already
been published?

Tom Armstrong Tom@...


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Re: stock cars

Rick Blanchard <bdesign@...>
 

Tom,

At 9:33 AM -0800 3/17/99, Tom Armstrong wrote:
ET&WNC. I have little original material to add. However, I do have copies I
made about four years ago at the National Archives, of ICC Valuation data
on the ET&WNC. The recent remark about stock cars made me look at what I

Interesting. The photo on p39 looked to me like a rather long car, so
I assumed it was another of the 'built from a 36' flat' variety. It
could be a 90 series though or one of the 'others' that John Waite
said bounced on and off the valuation sheets. Sure seems like a
wide-body at 8'10"!

stock car No. 90:

Built by ET&WNC, est. date built, 1905.
Capacity: 24,000
weight: 17,600
length over end sills: 33' 2"
width over side sills: 8' 10"
....
There was also a compilation of all such reports. For the stock cars it
shows:
Nos. 90-92 - 3 cars
date built: unknown
wood construction
30,000 lb. Capacity
length 33'
width 7'
height 7'
weight 17,500
Now they shrunk to 7' and gained 6,000 lbs capy! Guess nobody really
liked paperwork back then either :o}

There is lots of other interesting stuff in the rest of the ICC field
notes. Perhaps I can share more later. Or, has this information already
been published?
I'm open for whatever else you have.

Cheers,
Rick
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Rick Blanchard
rick@...
San Diego, CA

My East Tennessee and Western North Carolina web site:
http://www.urbaneagle.com/slim/etwnc.html

stock cars

Tom Armstrong <tom@...>
 

Greetings:

I recently joined this list, just to see what others are posting about the
ET&WNC. I have little original material to add. However, I do have copies I
made about four years ago at the National Archives, of ICC Valuation data
on the ET&WNC. The recent remark about stock cars made me look at what I
have. I copied the original hand-written notes. There is generally one
page per car or locomotive, although sometimes one page just references the
data on another page. Not all cars are included.

In April, 1917, W.B. Combs from the ICC made the following notes about
stock car No. 90:

Built by ET&WNC, est. date built, 1905.
Capacity: 24,000
weight: 17,600
length over end sills: 33' 2"
width over side sills: 8' 10"
underframe, superstructure, center and end sills, end of car: wood
roof: tin
doors: two side, no end
body bolsters: wood
draft timbers: wood
draft rigging: single spring ???? (can�t read last word)
Mfg. GS? Or 65? Or 6.5? stops (can�t read this one either)
air brake schedule: �6"
trucks: arch bar
truck bolsters: wood
wheels, C.I., 8, diameter: 24"
journals: 3 3/4" x 6"
safety appliances: yes
6 sills
four truss rods - 1 1/8"
roof, body, floor condition: bad
underframe condition: fair
trucks: good
Maintenance: normal, in regular service

There was also a compilation of all such reports. For the stock cars it
shows:
Nos. 90-92 - 3 cars
date built: unknown
wood construction
30,000 lb. Capacity
length 33'
width 7'
height 7'
weight 17,500

Based on these two statements, one specific for one car and the other
general for three cars, I would guess that the three cars were different. I
am sorry the data for the other two cars was not included, but that�s how
it goes with the ICC data.

In the recent �The Blue Ridge Stemwinder� article on stock cars, it
mentions that there were three stock cars listed in Poor�s between 1918 and
1926. These are probably the cars.

There is lots of other interesting stuff in the rest of the ICC field
notes. Perhaps I can share more later. Or, has this information already
been published?

Tom Armstrong Tom@...

New On3 flat car kit

Jim King <jking@...>
 

Hi all,

Just a little note to let those interested in On3 ET kits that my 38'
flat car will be ready to ship by the end of March. The pilot model is
done except for decals made off an ALPS printer by Chris Cardinal (Maine
2 ft. modeler). The correct lettering style, complete with all of the
stencil breaks/gaps is being reviewed and should be ready to print next
week. All patterns, parts, and the 9-page instructions with 9 color
photos are also about ready to launch.

The car has a 1-piece urethane underframe and separate 2x8s from Kappler
for the deck. Truss rods are brass wire. I-beam and wood bolsters are
included for your modeling pleasure! Grandt, Detail Associates and
Tichy detail parts complete the kit.

The kit price remains as previously advertised: $59 with Grandt trucks
and Kadees. Decals are available separately (for those who freelance)
at $4-5 (I don't have final pricing yet). Shipping is $5.50 per order,
regardless of kit quantity.

A photo of the completed and weathered model will appear on Rick
Blanchard's ET web page as soon as I get a photo to him.

I'm now accepting orders for the car. Make check/money order payable to
Smoky Mountain Model Works and mail to 521 Betsy Ross Lane, Asheville NC
28805. This car, a possible 2nd On3 car, and my HOn3 ET cars will be
available at the June convention.

Thanks for supporting ET model manufacturers!

Regards,
Jim King
SMMW

Dave Hoffman and other tidbits

Rick Blanchard <bdesign@...>
 

Hi folks,

I had heard from another 'e'list that Dave Hoffman is finally settled
in enough to begin to provide the castings and kits he used to for
the ET&WNC. I have a new address for him but apparently he either has
no phone or it is not listed. Has anyone been in touch with him
lately? I'd like to update the info on the web site but don't want to
promise things that aren't ready to happen.

The new address I have is:

David M. Hoffman
8683 US Hwy. 61 N
Woodville MS 39669-3502

So there he is, out on Highway 61!

====
Preview: I got a note from Les Walker that his HO Linville Depot
model kit may be ready by the time of the Historical Society annual
meeting. Check his web page for late breaking news. The URL is on the
ET&WNC web page.

====
For a final news tidbit, Since all of the great photos appeared in
the Stemwinder, it is apparent that the stock car that I drew plans
for is _not_ 700 or 701. It is from an earlier series and no numbers
were in Ferrells book for other stock cars. I will probably do two
things: relabel the drawing and remove the 700 numbers, and work on
another drawing of the stockcars to match the info in the photos for
700. I reiterate that the car that I drew was a best guess from a
single photo on page 39 of Ferrell's book. Apologies for the errors,
I just didn't have much to go on.

Cheers,
Rick
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Rick Blanchard
rick@...
San Diego, CA

My East Tennessee and Western North Carolina web site:
http://www.urbaneagle.com/slim/etwnc.html

Admin

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

OK, folks, time to do some preventive maintenance. In the past week, I've
received the Happy99 worm and variants several times - it's time to try to
kill the beast in our little circle(s).

Everyone, please - if you are running Windows 95/98/NT perform the following:
Go to the START button and select the FIND selection with the Files or
Folders option. The enter the following: SKA*.* If the files indicated
in Bill's message show up, follow the instructions Bill thoughtfully supplied.

Next, do the same thing and put Happy*.exe in the find field. Delete the
little bugger(s) - note that there may be a Happy99 and a Happy991.

Please remove that smug grin from your face you Mac and Unix users - as the
song says "never kick a man when he's down, son, sometime you might have to
play his game".

Next, please do not post JPG, GIF, BMP - for that matter, please do not
send ANY attachments to the list in general. The appropriate thing to do
is to send a message with the subject information and see who wants the
attachments. Attachments are a major no-no when it comes to most lists.

And, as long as we are on the list of major no-nos, please make sure you
are sending messages in plain text, and not that gawdawful crap Microsoft
thinks everyone should have (HTML, primarily). The use of plain text is
not, as MS would have you think, a sign of a obsolete mail program.

There are folks on these lists in countries and locals that charge a very
pretty penny for any phone call, making downloads of unwanted attachments
and HTML not only time consuming, annoying and frustrating, but costly as well.

Re: [Fwd: (no subject)]

Bob Webber <RSWEBBER@...>
 

I've added Tom to the list. He should start seeing messages immediately.
Bob

At 10:26 AM 3/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
Hi gang,

The attached message is from one of my kit customers. He's interested
in joining the ET mailing list and, possibly, our society. Would
someone please contact him at his email address and advise him on how to
join our list and where to get more info on the society?

Thanks,
Jim King
SMMW

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Thanks-

I'll look forward to the hoppers!

Please forward my name to the ET WNC HS e-mail list. I would appreciate it.

Thanks
Tom Farmer

[Fwd: (no subject)]

Jim King <jking@...>
 

Hi gang,

The attached message is from one of my kit customers. He's interested
in joining the ET mailing list and, possibly, our society. Would
someone please contact him at his email address and advise him on how to
join our list and where to get more info on the society?

Thanks,
Jim King
SMMW

NCNG #9 for sale

Jim King <jking@...>
 

Hi all,

I'm selling my last piece of HOn3 brass, an NCNG 2-8-0 #9 by Westside.
It's painted a dull black with silver smokebox and red cab roof.
Walschaerts valve gear. Open frame motor but runs well. Rectangular
tender. No lettering on cab or tender. Tool box behind oil bunker on
tender is loose but can easily be reapplied. Original box and foam in
good condition. Price is $350 including shipping.

Anyone who's interested, please contact me off list.

Thanks,
Jim King

Re: ET loco update

Bob Webber <RSWEBBER@...>
 

Jim,
You might want to discuss the project with Bill Meredith - he created some
brass etched kits for Sn3 & On3 of DSP&P Mason Bogies and Cooke 2-8-0s. He
most likely would not be interested in doing anything, but he would be a
good source for start-up information. (South Park Finescale).

Also, as far as English manuf. are concerned, you might want to send a
note to Backwoods Minitures - they have created a wide range of kits and I
doubt he would find anything difficult regrading a 10-wheeler.

If you want Bill's e-mail address, let me know - Bob

At 08:56 AM 3/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
From: Jim King <jking@...>

Hi gang,

Here's the latest update on "our" project.

I contacted Rail Master in New Zealand (John Agnew). He is building Sn3
exclusively and will not change scales due to tooling costs, etc. Why
he doesn't go into a more popular scale is beyond me but it's his
business and I respect his decision. Strike 1.

Roger Chivers of Chivers Finelines in England, came back after thinking
over the project and said 'no'. Not only won't he supply a ready-to-run
chassis, he won't even make the etched parts for me to form, including
the drivers, frame and valve gear. Seems he's been involved with three
nasty partnerships and he's just now getting rid of the 3rd one. I
don't know the details and don't want to know, but suffice it to say
he's not interested. He also commented that the UK style of steam
engine construction is not popular in the US and he felt there was no
market. I assured him that our society is not a measuring stick for the
rest of the US modelers and that practically any quality ET loco kit,
regardless of the amount of assembly required, would be welcomed by our
group. That still wasn't enough to convince him to take the project.
Strike 2.

I'm now back to working with my tried-n-true spin casting friend in
Sanford, NC. Paul Redmond of On-Trak Models, formerly Walker Model
Service, is a tool and die maker with 25+ years experience. He's the
guy who made the injection mold for Accurail's 55-ton USRA hopper. I've
seen the first shots from the mold and some of the tools he used to
emboss the rivets ... best work I've ever seen!

Paul and I have discussed the ET project several times over the past few
months. Time is the main limitation we both have to work around, not
quality workmanship or available info. Designing a frame with drivers
is the easy part ... figuring out the best manufacturing methods and
associated costs is the hard part! That's why I contacted the UK and
New Zealand sources, since they already make loco kits that have been
widely accepted.

At this point, I'm more determined than ever to disprove the British
concept that US modelers won't accept photoetched frames and
preassembled drivers! I will again start up conversation with Paul on
the HOn3 version. We've known each other for several years and trust
each other to carry our each other's duties in this project. And, we
both believe the completed model (in kit form) can still be sold for
under $500.

That's all for now. I don't expect to have much to report for a few
weeks. I'll copy the Gazette and MR drawings of the engine, collect
some photos, loan him my Tweetsie Country book, and see what we can come
up with. I'll do my best not to let the group down!

Jim King
SMMW



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ET loco update

Jim King <jking@...>
 

Hi gang,

Here's the latest update on "our" project.

I contacted Rail Master in New Zealand (John Agnew). He is building Sn3
exclusively and will not change scales due to tooling costs, etc. Why
he doesn't go into a more popular scale is beyond me but it's his
business and I respect his decision. Strike 1.

Roger Chivers of Chivers Finelines in England, came back after thinking
over the project and said 'no'. Not only won't he supply a ready-to-run
chassis, he won't even make the etched parts for me to form, including
the drivers, frame and valve gear. Seems he's been involved with three
nasty partnerships and he's just now getting rid of the 3rd one. I
don't know the details and don't want to know, but suffice it to say
he's not interested. He also commented that the UK style of steam
engine construction is not popular in the US and he felt there was no
market. I assured him that our society is not a measuring stick for the
rest of the US modelers and that practically any quality ET loco kit,
regardless of the amount of assembly required, would be welcomed by our
group. That still wasn't enough to convince him to take the project.
Strike 2.

I'm now back to working with my tried-n-true spin casting friend in
Sanford, NC. Paul Redmond of On-Trak Models, formerly Walker Model
Service, is a tool and die maker with 25+ years experience. He's the
guy who made the injection mold for Accurail's 55-ton USRA hopper. I've
seen the first shots from the mold and some of the tools he used to
emboss the rivets ... best work I've ever seen!

Paul and I have discussed the ET project several times over the past few
months. Time is the main limitation we both have to work around, not
quality workmanship or available info. Designing a frame with drivers
is the easy part ... figuring out the best manufacturing methods and
associated costs is the hard part! That's why I contacted the UK and
New Zealand sources, since they already make loco kits that have been
widely accepted.

At this point, I'm more determined than ever to disprove the British
concept that US modelers won't accept photoetched frames and
preassembled drivers! I will again start up conversation with Paul on
the HOn3 version. We've known each other for several years and trust
each other to carry our each other's duties in this project. And, we
both believe the completed model (in kit form) can still be sold for
under $500.

That's all for now. I don't expect to have much to report for a few
weeks. I'll copy the Gazette and MR drawings of the engine, collect
some photos, loan him my Tweetsie Country book, and see what we can come
up with. I'll do my best not to let the group down!

Jim King
SMMW

Re: Key Import Discussion

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

I have dealt with Dave at Key several times in the past (I helped them with
some painting information for some diesel runs - I was also involved with a
group who did some of the "factory" paint jobs for them some time back). I
can contact him if desired, and get some idea of where things stand. I
haven't talked to Dan since he was soliciting ideas for his railroad - but
that was before he moved from California. I talked to Dave a couple of
times in the past few years, and I think he won't mind a question or two -
no guarantees though. Bob

At 02:08 PM 2/28/99 -0500, you wrote:
From: "Malcolm Marion" <mmarion@...>

Hi everyone,

With the recent discussion about Marty MacGuirk and Key Imports ongoing, I
wanted to clarify the history of the brass imports to this point and Marty's
position in general.

As many of you know, there have been several attempts to get our brass ten
wheelers. During the era of the Friends of the ET&WNC, there was a failed
run at importing an ET&WNC engine. Around the time the ET&WNC Historical
Society formed and before my tenure as President, I was asked by John Waite
serve as Manufacturer Liaison. One of my great interests was to have a good
brass HOn3 engine for our members. I approached all the importers at that
time and was told in unison that Eastern brass prototypes would not sell.
However, Lee Riley of Bachman knew of our interest and obtained an entr�e
with Hallmark. After a long and drawn out process of several years, the
import deal fell through.

At that time, we had exhausted all our contacts. When Marty graciously
volunteered to contact Key and use his status with Model Railroader and
friendship with Mr. McKee to sweeten the deal, I thought it was a good idea.
Marty did ask that he be the sole contact to lessen the hassle factor from
our group with Key. The irritation factor had been stressed before during
the Hallmark process as other historical societies had left Hallmark and
other importers with a bad taste.

My understanding of the Key offer was to import the locomotives if we
reached the 150 unit threshold. The campaign was first to be limited to
around 6 to 9 months. As I understand it now, the offer is open ended. As
many of you, I would have preferred a more widespread advertising blitz, but
we weren't paying the bill either.

When I turned over my duties to Johnny this past June, I apprised him and
you the members as a whole of the current status.

I too think it is time to get another update and would hope Johnny has
already tried to get Marty. If others want to contact him, I am sure he
would be happy to talk to you too. I would ask, however, that you be civil.
He is on our side!

I am personally in favor of anything that will get good, working, accurate
4-6-O's on our tracks and would drop my reservation for the brass if we can
get Jim to produce his kits.

Malcolm



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Key Import Discussion

Malcolm Marion <mmarion@...>
 

Hi everyone,

With the recent discussion about Marty MacGuirk and Key Imports ongoing, I
wanted to clarify the history of the brass imports to this point and Marty's
position in general.

As many of you know, there have been several attempts to get our brass ten
wheelers. During the era of the Friends of the ET&WNC, there was a failed
run at importing an ET&WNC engine. Around the time the ET&WNC Historical
Society formed and before my tenure as President, I was asked by John Waite
serve as Manufacturer Liaison. One of my great interests was to have a good
brass HOn3 engine for our members. I approached all the importers at that
time and was told in unison that Eastern brass prototypes would not sell.
However, Lee Riley of Bachman knew of our interest and obtained an entr�e
with Hallmark. After a long and drawn out process of several years, the
import deal fell through.

At that time, we had exhausted all our contacts. When Marty graciously
volunteered to contact Key and use his status with Model Railroader and
friendship with Mr. McKee to sweeten the deal, I thought it was a good idea.
Marty did ask that he be the sole contact to lessen the hassle factor from
our group with Key. The irritation factor had been stressed before during
the Hallmark process as other historical societies had left Hallmark and
other importers with a bad taste.

My understanding of the Key offer was to import the locomotives if we
reached the 150 unit threshold. The campaign was first to be limited to
around 6 to 9 months. As I understand it now, the offer is open ended. As
many of you, I would have preferred a more widespread advertising blitz, but
we weren't paying the bill either.

When I turned over my duties to Johnny this past June, I apprised him and
you the members as a whole of the current status.

I too think it is time to get another update and would hope Johnny has
already tried to get Marty. If others want to contact him, I am sure he
would be happy to talk to you too. I would ask, however, that you be civil.
He is on our side!

I am personally in favor of anything that will get good, working, accurate
4-6-O's on our tracks and would drop my reservation for the brass if we can
get Jim to produce his kits.

Malcolm

Re: Progress on ET loco

Tuhr Barnes <TuhrBarnes@...>
 

Jim:

I will sign up for one ten wheeler in On3. While I model in Sn3, I
would also like to have on in the larger scale. I would probably then
have to buy a few car kits also.

As far as the valve gear issue. I built two Railmaster locos including
valve gear and found it to be a lot easier than I would have expected.
In fact, the cab was tougher than the valve gear! However, I suggest to
ensure a smooth mechanism, the side rods should be assembled along with
the drivers on a prepared frame. By making the chassis complete, it
becomes almost immpossible for the average modeler to mess the drive
up. The valve gear is relatively minor after that.

Point of note, I had never assembled a soft metal kit of any kind prior
to building my two locomotives. If the kit is well thought out and
produced, as Railmasters are, then just about anybody with a little
patience should be able to do it.

Tuhr Barnes


Jim King wrote:


From: Jim King <jking@...>

Hi all,

Just wanted to let everyone know the preliminary info I've received from
a British loco kit supplier regarding "our" ten wheelers in HO and O.

At this time, my source has tentatively agreed to provide a photoetched
brass frame, drivers on axles, and valve gear that may/may not require
assembly. Gearbox and can motor will be discussed later. His minimum
requirement is 50 units. I will take his parts and make the rest of the
parts using white metal, brass and urethane materials. At this time,
the engines will only be available in kit form but some may be
contracted out to other sources I have if you want them built and
painted. I don't have the time to assemble and paint any of them, but
if there is enough interest in having RTR engines, I'll find a source.

We do not have pricing at this time but I expect it to be in the upper
$400s for a complete kit. It's also too early to discuss delivery the
2000 convention is doable.

Here's what I need from the group for this to continue:

1. Baldwin erection drawings showing all necessary details to built the
frame, boiler, cab and tender.
2. Lots of photos showing the various eras you want modeled.
3. I need EVERYONE to get in touch with me somehow telling me EXACTLY
what version/era you want, how many you'd buy in kit form and built up,
and what scale you want (HOn3 or On3).

We cannot continue this project without a more definitive amount of
"sales". I don't want to import 50 units and get stuck with 30, so
please don't tell me you'll take 4 when you really mean 1!

I'm very encouraged by the response from this British manufacturer. His
track record speaks for itself in the UK and Australia. Assuming this
project goes thru, it will be the first US prototype produced using the
proposed combination of manufacturing methods. Also, by having the
majority of parts cast in urethane and white metal, this project has the
greatest potential for completion since the brass importers were
contacted many years ago.

I'll keep everyone posted on progress. In the meantime, please let me
know your thoughts, intentions and comments concerning this subject.

Thanks,

Jim King
Smoky Mountain Model Works
Asheville, NC

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mcguirk address

C Ford <cfordart@...>
 

For anyone wanting to contact Marty McGuirk at MR magazine, his e-mail
address is

mmcguirk@...

I haven't seen or heard anything from him in a LONG time. Don't
understand why he should be the only contact with KEY unless it was to
keep too many cooks out of the kitchen so to speak, but if that's the way
it was set up, maybe we should get Marty to talk to KEY and let us know
what their intentions are for the ET engines. If they ain't gonna make
'em, then cancel the deal and I'll get my money back and reserve 3 of the
newly talked about engines. IMHO, KEY shouldn't keep people hanging for 3
or 4 years on a project. It was my understanding on the front end that if
they did not get 100 (or was it 150?) reservations within 6months to a
year, then the project would be dropped. And at the time, the price of
$800 each was being bantered about. Well, it's been over a year, more
like a year and a half to 2 (at least it seems like it :), and we're
still at square one.

I for one, am in no big hurry for the engines as I have no place to run
them, but I know many of you are ready and would like to have them now.

I say we contact Marty (I don't think he's on this group, Bob would know)
and see what KEY has to say. Once again, these are my opinions, your
mileage may vary :)

In the meantime, save your money for John's and my ET book coming to a
bookstore near you sometime this year (with any luck at all :)

Chris


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