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Photo: bridge at north end of tunnel #4

Fred Waskiewicz <waskiewf@...>
 

Hello, all!

I just uploaded a scan of a postcard I found at a
train show here in Texas. It is a picture of what I'm
guessing is the bridge leading into the north entrance
of tunnel #4. While it scanned somewhat dark, it's
still a nice view. The caption reads: "Through the
gorge on E.T.&. W. N. C. R. R. near Johnson City,
Tenn." It was published by the Kress Co. No date, but
other postcards of this style that I've seen are from
the 'teens. The hill above the tunnel appears to have
been clear cut - that might be a clue as to when the
picture was taken.

Regarding the thread on bridge paint schemes, the
steel looks silver blue in the postcard, but, as the
color of
the timbers is washed out, this may simply be the whim
of the artist doing the coloring.

Fred

color of bridges

Philip & Mary Snyder <snyderemarks@...>
 

Hi gang.

Chris Ford and I have been discussing the bridges on the line, and the question of color has come up. I figured that they were painted silver, as the Blevins bridge does in the A&R video. He thought they were probably black, but noted that some of the existing bridges look as if they never had paint at all.

So, at his suggestion, I'm opening the 'bridge color' topic up to the group. Silver? Black? Rust? Got any ideas? The particular bridge in question is the (now gone) tank bridge in the Toe River Gorge outside of Newland, NC. As far as we know, there are no photos of it, so...

Philip

Off line

Jim King <jking@...>
 

Hi gangs,

I'll be off line effective now thru Thursday, account trip to Virginia.
Happy modeling!

Jim King
SMMW

Linville River rail

Philip & Mary Snyder <snyderemarks@...>
 

Not long ago, someone (I forgot who) mentioned that there was still rail in the Watauga river left over from the flood of 1940 (I guess). Does anybody know anything about this? Is it really Linville River rail? When I was in college at App, we used to go to this place near Hound Ears where there was a rope swing out over the river. A lot of students would go there just to hang out and socialize. Not far down stream was (and I think still is) an old concrete dam that we would jump off of. I recently saw a picture of this dam on Chris Ford's site and recognized it immediately. Is this close to the rail? Can the rail be retrieved? Thoughts? Comments?

Philip

Re: Linville River rail

C Ford <cfordart@...>
 

Philip,
I have been to the place at Hound Ears Golf Club that you mentioned, a
large quiet pool in the river where Lance Creek comes into the Watauga.
The abutments that are being used for a golf cart bridge were the old
LRRy bridge abutments, a 32' two I-beam bridge. Once while I was there I
talked to some folks swimming, and one told me there was a large piece of
rail in the water close to the bridge. Never having been in the water
there :) I haven't seen it personally, but this person said he had, so I
didn't doubt that it was there.

Yes, it's fairly close to the dam, but not right at it, you know that
from your days at App State. Don't know who owns that land, maybe Hound
Ears, but I dare say you'd probably have to have a fair sized winch down
there to get it out, if you could find it, if it could be gotten out,
if...if....if. :)

My interest would be whether the rail was in the river from the flood or
was just heaved in there by the scrappers because of some difficulty in
salvaging it.

The best rail I've found is at the Rainbow (Church) in Foscoe. There's a
pond on the left side of the church and the handrails on the rock dam
are, as far as I can remember, whole pieces of about 50-60lb rail,
including the bolt holes. My guess is that they came from the LR there at
Foscoe. They have the manufacturers name on them, if anyone has done any
research on who made the rail for the LR. Like to hear from someone else
who has looked at these pieces of rail.

Go for it :)

Chris


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Chris Ford
cfordart@...

http://www.mindspring.com/~cfordart/etwnc/home.html

Re: Linville River rail

C Ford <cfordart@...>
 

Philip,
I have been to the place at Hound Ears Golf Club that you mentioned, a
large quiet pool in the river where Lance Creek comes into the Watauga.
The abutments that are being used for a golf cart bridge were the old
LRRy bridge abutments, a 32' two I-beam bridge. Once while I was there I
talked to some folks swimming, and one told me there was a large piece of
rail in the water close to the bridge. Never having been in the water
there :) I haven't seen it personally, but this person said he had, so I
didn't doubt that it was there.

Yes, it's fairly close to the dam, but not right at it, you know that
from your days at App State. Don't know who owns that land, maybe Hound
Ears, but I dare say you'd probably have to have a fair sized winch down
there to get it out, if you could find it, if it could be gotten out,
if...if....if. :)

My interest would be whether the rail was in the river from the flood or
was just heaved in there by the scrappers because of some difficulty in
salvaging it.

The best rail I've found is at the Rainbow (Church) in Foscoe. There's a
pond on the left side of the church and the handrails on the rock dam
are, as far as I can remember, whole pieces of about 50-60lb rail,
including the bolt holes. My guess is that they came from the LR there at
Foscoe. They have the manufacturers name on them, if anyone has done any
research on who made the rail for the LR. Like to hear from someone else
who has looked at these pieces of rail.

Go for it :)

Chris


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Chris Ford
cfordart@...

http://www.mindspring.com/~cfordart/etwnc/home.html

Sept Gazette

Jim King <jking@...>
 

Hi all,

The current issue (received today) has a photo of my ET&WNC 38' flat kit
parts in the new product section. For a photo of the completed model,
go to my web site at www.catskillarts.com/smmw and look under the On3
section.

For the On30ers on this list, I offer the kit less trucks and couplers,
so you can "regauge" the car to fit your layout.

Jim King
SMMW

Re: Linville River Shay

mwest@...
 

The tome on Shays is Michael Koch's book, Shay: Titan of the Timber. There
is reference to several Ritter Shays in the book, and it is obvious he moved
his locomotives around to various states after curring out the lumber in
other locations. Ill look up what I can from my copy of his book this week
and get back to you. Ritter also operated a Climax.mw

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From: Carol & Peter Jobusch[SMTP:jobusch@...]
Reply To: Tweetsie@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 7:37 PM
To: Tweetsie@...
Subject: [Tweetsie] Linville River Shay

From: Carol & Peter Jobusch <jobusch@...>

I've read accounts that either W. M. Ritter or the Linville River operated
a Shay at one time over the LR-ET trackage. Does anyone have any more
information (photos, Lima construction number, etc.) that could be used to
model such a beast in some reasonable fashion? What about other geared
locomotives that Ritter might have operated on "our" tracks?

TIA

Pete Jobusch

Linville River Shay

Carol & Peter Jobusch <jobusch@...>
 

I've read accounts that either W. M. Ritter or the Linville River operated
a Shay at one time over the LR-ET trackage. Does anyone have any more
information (photos, Lima construction number, etc.) that could be used to
model such a beast in some reasonable fashion? What about other geared
locomotives that Ritter might have operated on "our" tracks?

TIA

Pete Jobusch

Wheel for section crew car

michael_hardin@...
 

I have found a wheel for sale that looks just like the one shown
on page 210 of "Tweetsie Country". The seller claims it is from the ET&WNC RR. What is this car called? What was it used for? Does anyone have any additional pictures of this or know where I could go to find some? How would I know it is authentic?
Does anyone have any ET&WNC, Linville River RR, or Cranberry Iron & Coal Co. items for sale or trade? (such as passes, postcards, switch keys, letters, timetables, lanterns, memorabilia, etc.) I am particularly interested in anything signed by George W. Hardin or Jordan C. Hardin. If so please contact me directly, outside of onelist.
Thanks for your help, Mike

Virginia trip

Jim King <jking@...>
 

Hi all,

I sent this message out to the O and On3 list but forgot to include the
ET list!!!

I'll be in the Blacksburg/Christiansburg/Radford, Virginia area on
business next Monday and Tuesday nights (9/27-28). Anyone living in
this area up for a little railfanning or layout visiting?? If so, drop
me a note off list and we'll see what can be arranged. No obligation on
anyone's part ... I'm just as satisfied sitting trackside at
Christiansburg and watching the parade of coal go by!!!

Regards,
Jim King
Smoky Mountain Model Works

hello mr ford

C Ford <cfordart@...>
 

Subject: hello mr ford
Sent: 9/16/19 6:43 AM
Received: 9/21/99 10:56 PM
From: Thomas Jeffery, bushwacker@...
To: Chris Ford, cfordart@...

hello mr ford
i would like to get on your newsgroup ET&WNC railroad (or railway) mr
friend Mike
rutherford from christainsburg is on this etwnc news group and like to
get updates
and really interested in the etry and et&wnc iam going down to
elizabethton and Johnson
City tomarrow so ill be looking over the proptery thsnks
Thomas Jeffery
railsaw operator
R1W rail welding gang(tw37)
Norfolk Southern Railway
email bushwacker@...

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Add to list please, Bob?




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Chris Ford
cfordart@...

http://www.mindspring.com/~cfordart/etwnc/home.html

more photos at Onelist

Philip & Mary Snyder <snyderemarks@...>
 

Hi gang.

I have (by special permission of the owner) posted more pictures on the 'files' section of the 'Tweetsie' community at Onelist. They are of Gary Scoggins' well known garden railway from a couple of years ago. I apologize in advance for the poor quality of the pics...I doctored them up as much as I could, but you can't put photographic talent into pictures by someone without it (uhh...me). Anyway, I hope you enjoy them.

Gary's railroad was the inspiration for my own, and as fate would have it, we live only about three minutes apart. This really allowed me to learn a lot from him and begin my railroad with some 'hands-on' experience (Thanks, Gary!).

I have also included a photo of Johnny Graybeal's TRR #12 at Gary's place. This is an extraordinary model that looks great at the front of Gary's scratch-built TRR train. If you haven't ever seen it, and would like to see more, let me know and I'll ask Johnny if it's okay to post more.

As for Gary's railroad...rumour has it that it is currently deep into it's own 'off-season' due to it's owner constantly running off to the hills to call out something about "Letting her roll" to somebody named "Casey Jones". Who knows...strange things go on up in them thar hills.

Philip
ps; I didn't intend to write a novel, sorry!

Re: Light colored box cars

johnny graybeal <johnnyg@...>
 

Hi all,
For the record the car numbers are 430 and 441. These cars had galvanized
siding, not aluminum. Considering that aluminum paint was available for
running board edging after the 30s, these cars would have been painted that
color. That is my opinion after looking at the footage for months.
Both cars were still on hand at abandonment, but i have no idea where they
ended up.
Johnny Graybeal

-----Original Message-----
From: J. L. Walker <WEBSTERCLASSICMODELS@...>
To: Tweetsie Group <Tweetsie@...>
Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 9:59 PM
Subject: [Tweetsie] Light colored box cars


From: "J. L. Walker" <WEBSTERCLASSICMODELS@...>

Thanks for the info. I just might have to do one that way........
Les Walker

Re: Box Cars

olin m anderson <oanderso@...>
 

Oddballs are interesting....
Were semi-aluminum 439 and 443 scrapped at retirement or do they survive
somewhere?
Olin Anderson

Light colored box cars

J. L. Walker <WEBSTERCLASSICMODELS@...>
 

Thanks for the info. I just might have to do one that way........
Les Walker

Re: Shared Photos

Philip & Mary Snyder <snyderemarks@...>
 

You're welcome! I'm glad you liked them. More to come...maybe another ET
garden ry.. Stay tuned....

Philip

-----Original Message-----
From: Tuhr.Barnes@... <Tuhr.Barnes@...>
To: tweetsie@... <tweetsie@...>
Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 7:19 AM
Subject: [Tweetsie] Shared Photos


From: Tuhr.Barnes@...

Philip:

Great photos, thanks for sharing them.

Tuhr.

Re: Box Cars

mwest@...
 

Yes. I think bxcrs 439 and 443 were wrapped in aluminum. Their identifying
marks and lettering was applied on the wooden base of the boxcar; not the
walls of aluminum.mw

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From:
Tuhr.Barnes@...[SMTP:Tuhr.Barnes@...]
Reply To: Tweetsie@...
Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 11:21 AM
To: INTERNET:Tweetsie@...
Subject: Re[4]: [Tweetsie] Box Cars

From: Tuhr.Barnes@...

Les:

Do you mean the cars that appear to have had an aluminum or
galvanized
steel sheeting applied?

Tuhr.


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Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Tweetsie] Box Cars
Author: "J. L. Walker" <WEBSTERCLASSICMODELS@...> at fdinet
Date: 9/20/99 10:50 AM


From: "J. L. Walker" <WEBSTERCLASSICMODELS@...>

On colors --
Let us all remember that in the taking, developing, printing, and fading,
photos are not necessarily the color the cars were... I put a green
background behind one of my models for a photo - when it was developed it
was brown......
(Boxcar red "looks" great - especially with a bunch of weathering)
But more importantly, what color were those longer cars that look white or

real light in some of the photos taken near the end?
Les Walker


Re: Box Cars

mwest@...
 

Two boxcars, #443 and another, were wrapped in aluminum sheathing to prolong
their lifespan. In some pictures they appear to be white, but were probably
a dull aluminum oxide. They were NOT reefers.mw

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From: J. L. Walker[SMTP:WEBSTERCLASSICMODELS@...]
Reply To: Tweetsie@...
Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 10:50 AM
To: INTERNET:Tweetsie@...
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Tweetsie] Box Cars

From: "J. L. Walker" <WEBSTERCLASSICMODELS@...>

On colors --
Let us all remember that in the taking, developing, printing, and fading,
photos are not necessarily the color the cars were... I put a green
background behind one of my models for a photo - when it was developed it
was brown......
(Boxcar red "looks" great - especially with a bunch of weathering)
But more importantly, what color were those longer cars that look white or
real light in some of the photos taken near the end?
Les Walker

Re: Box Cars

Tuhr.Barnes@...
 

Les:

Do you mean the cars that appear to have had an aluminum or galvanized
steel sheeting applied?

Tuhr.


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Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Tweetsie] Box Cars
Author: "J. L. Walker" <WEBSTERCLASSICMODELS@...> at fdinet
Date: 9/20/99 10:50 AM


From: "J. L. Walker" <WEBSTERCLASSICMODELS@...>

On colors --
Let us all remember that in the taking, developing, printing, and fading,
photos are not necessarily the color the cars were... I put a green
background behind one of my models for a photo - when it was developed it
was brown......
(Boxcar red "looks" great - especially with a bunch of weathering)
But more importantly, what color were those longer cars that look white or
real light in some of the photos taken near the end?
Les Walker