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Rick Blanchard <bdesign@...>
 

Hi folks,

This was on the HOn3 list and thought it might play better here:

Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:31:08 -0500
From: Phread <fred1945@...>
Subject: [HOn3]: ET & WNC RR Piggyback flats

All,

How many out there in narrow gauge land would be interested in kits for
the East Tennessee & Western North Carolina RR "Piggyback" flatcars?
This car is being considered by an Eastern Model RR manufacturer, but he
needs some idea of a market before proceeding with the project, and
since I'm one of those who asked, he has asked me to conduct a bit of a
survey for him. Please respond Off-List to me at
"fred1945@...".

Thanks,

Phread
Cheers,
Rick

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Rick Blanchard
rick@...
San Diego, CA

My East Tennessee and Western North Carolina web site:
http://www.urbaneagle.com/slim/etwnc.html

Re: Passenger trucks borrowed by FEBT

Curtis Brookshire <curtis.brookshire@...>
 

Sent this message out a couple of days ago. I made the mistake of
subscribing to msn.com which changed my email defaults. I was sending
messages under a new address which the onelist server didn't recognize. I
believe I have it fixed now.

This was in response to the EBT combine 16 message.

Funny you should mention Allaire State Park as the location of EBT combine
16. Allaire also has ET&WNC boxcar 434. Restoring that car would just
about require it to be stripped to frame and rebuilt. It also has no brake
rigging and sits on other than original trucks. As of last March or so, it
was still there.

-----Original Message-----
From: J. L. Walker <WEBSTERCLASSICMODELS@...>
To: Tweetsie Group <Tweetsie@...>
Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 1:33 PM
Subject: [Tweetsie] Passenger trucks borrowed by FEBT


From: "J. L. Walker" <WEBSTERCLASSICMODELS@...>

'Thought some of you might be interested in this that was in the latest
edition of the Timber Transfer, the publication of the Friends of the East
Broad Top. My editing emphasises the reference to Tweetsie....

December 1998

Work Continues on Restoration Projects
Combine No. 16

Dave Bucher, coordinator of the work on the reproduction trucks for
Combine
No. 16, reports that delivery of the fabricated journal boxes has been
delayed until after the New Year. Trail Tool - the contractor responsible
for this work informed Dave that work on the journal boxes has slowed due
to vacations and the holidays. Once work on the journal boxes is
finished,
FEBT will have acquired all major components of the reproduction truck
frames.
Dave is now obtaining up-to-date quotations for the cost of assembling the
reproduction truck frames.

(The original truck frame leased from the Tweetsie Railroad and used as a
template for the Combine No. 16 truck project must also be reassembled so
that the leased trucks can be returned to North Carolina.)

Once again, the funds available in 1999 (and future years) from donations
to the FEBT Restoration Fund will determine the pace of work on the
reproduction truck frames as well as on Combine No. 16 itself.
Combine No. 16 is stored at Allaire State Park, by arrangement with the
New
Jersey Museum of Transportation. FEBT members who are interested in
helping us complete this stage of work on the trucks or in future work on
the baggage passenger combination car should contact

Dave Bucher
1409 Dodd Drive
Downingtown PA 19335
Telephone: (610) 518-2244

(In case any of your is interested and doesn't already know about it, you
can get info on the FEBT:

FRIENDS OF THE EAST BROAD TOP
C/o Ruth H. Kosowski
RR I Box 966
Three Springs PA 17264

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Re: Passenger trucks borrowed by FEBT

fwest@...
 

Speaking of things "borrowed" from Tweetsie, is there a listing somewhere
of other ETWNC rolling stock in various places around the country? NJ and
NC have boxcars, there are tank bodies in NC and Alaska, as well as coboose
505 in an undisclosed location. Others??mw

Passenger trucks borrowed by FEBT

J. L. Walker <WEBSTERCLASSICMODELS@...>
 

'Thought some of you might be interested in this that was in the latest
edition of the Timber Transfer, the publication of the Friends of the East
Broad Top. My editing emphasises the reference to Tweetsie....

December 1998

Work Continues on Restoration Projects
Combine No. 16

Dave Bucher, coordinator of the work on the reproduction trucks for Combine
No. 16, reports that delivery of the fabricated journal boxes has been
delayed until after the New Year. Trail Tool - the contractor responsible
for this work informed Dave that work on the journal boxes has slowed due
to vacations and the holidays. Once work on the journal boxes is finished,
FEBT will have acquired all major components of the reproduction truck
frames.
Dave is now obtaining up-to-date quotations for the cost of assembling the
reproduction truck frames.

(The original truck frame leased from the Tweetsie Railroad and used as a
template for the Combine No. 16 truck project must also be reassembled so
that the leased trucks can be returned to North Carolina.)

Once again, the funds available in 1999 (and future years) from donations
to the FEBT Restoration Fund will determine the pace of work on the
reproduction truck frames as well as on Combine No. 16 itself.
Combine No. 16 is stored at Allaire State Park, by arrangement with the New
Jersey Museum of Transportation. FEBT members who are interested in
helping us complete this stage of work on the trucks or in future work on
the baggage passenger combination car should contact

Dave Bucher
1409 Dodd Drive
Downingtown PA 19335
Telephone: (610) 518-2244

(In case any of your is interested and doesn't already know about it, you
can get info on the FEBT:

FRIENDS OF THE EAST BROAD TOP
C/o Ruth H. Kosowski
RR I Box 966
Three Springs PA 17264

Re: New List Member

johnny graybeal <johnnyg@...>
 

Michael,
There is a video source for standard gauge steam on the ET&WNC. It is
Steam Shortlines Southern Style, available from A&R Productions. it has
about 15 minutes of ET in the 60s. It shows the Johnson City yards and
Bemberg well. Their Number is 800 246 5898. We(the ET&WNC RR Historical
Society) worked with them to produce a narrow gauge video set 4 years
ago.(Has it been that long?) Time does fly.
Johnny Graybeal
President, ET&WNC RR Historical Society

-----Original Message-----
From: baskette@... <baskette@...>
To: tweetsie@... <tweetsie@...>
Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 4:06 PM
Subject: [Tweetsie] New List Member


From: baskette@...

List Members,

Hello, my name is MIchael Baskette. I'm a model railroader in Lexington, KY
and
a former a native of Johnson City Tennessee. I saw you had created this
list on
the Slim Rails Web site, and figured I'd join in. I am primarily a
Clinchfield
modeler, but am currently planning a large switching layout of Johnson City
set
in the mid to late 1960's. Included will be the E.T. & W.N.C. from J.C.
to
Elizabethton. I figure this location and era gives my a unique opportunity
to
run second generation EMD power on the CRR and Southern portions and steam
on
the E.T.& W.N.C. up to 1968 and Alco's after that. Anyway, as you can
gather,
my primary interests in the Tweetsie are it's standard gauge years. Hope
that's
not taboo. So far I have aquired photos of all the standard guage locos
operated in the 1960's steam and diesel, and USGS topo maps of JC and Eliz.
I
figured this group might have insight into other questions. Recently
aquired
and possibly of interst to some of you is a large number of CRR waybills
for
freight traffic originating or terminating in Johnson City. Many are for
cars
delivered to or loaded in Elizabethton and interchanged to/from the ET&WNC.
They
list the industries who either loaded or recieved the cars. Again these
are for
the 1960's so may be of limited appeal. Anyway, hope to get to know you
soon.

Mike Baskette



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RS3s and more

baskette@...
 

Karl and all,

My source for photos of standard gauge ET&WNC equipment if from Ken Marsh of
Kingsport, TN. (PO BOX 3712, Kingsport,Tn, 37664). Ken has Photos of most
standard gauge steam and diesel power. From him I recently got #207, 208, 209,
210 and 211. He has #212, 204, 205, and 206 as well. All are 8X10 Black and
White and are available for $3.50 each with a 4 print minimum order. His photos
of the RS3's were taken between their arrival in 1968 and 1970 and they both
were in Southern Railway colors. (i.e. Black with an Imitation Aluminum stripe
with gold pinstripe and lettering in Southern style.) I have heard people
wrongly assumed ET&WNC became a Southern subsidiary, but these are just the
colors they arrived in as they were ex-CofG / ex- Southern. The abandoned #210
that so many of us have photographed was painted in the orange and black scheme
in the early 1970's. I have a color scan of an operational #210 in orange and
black and #209 in Southern colors as well, but must get permission to post it
to the list from the owner. Does anyone know if #209 was also painted in this
scheme? I can't tell from Chris Ford's distant shot on the Slim Rails Web page.
The orange and black just happen to be the school colors of the Elizabethton
High School Cyclones, I doubt this is a coincidence. Oh yes, the new RS3 book
shows an operational ET&WNC #210 in orange and black.

The later ex-SP RS32s were also painted in a variation of this orange and black
scheme. Ken's 1980 photo of #211 shows a black locomotive with orange stripe
and bibs on each end unlike the RS3s which only had the bib on the long hood
end. The letter type on the roadname is also no longer of Southern influence
being more block in style. Ken stated 212 also carried this scheme, but he
didn't get it photographed until it was relettered "ET"

As for what equipment these loco's pulled, basically anything. My Clinchfield
waybills show Clinchfield Covered hoppers being loaded in Elizabethton, and
Clinchfield box cars going to Tri-State Container (Now Inland Container). I
have no waybills for NARC or Bemberg, but I know they recieved coal and chemical
tank cars. I have seen photos of ET&WNC equipment pulling Clinchfield hoppers as
well as Southern equipment . I think some of my waybills show C&O and L&N
hoppers finding their way to Elizabethton as well. I'm sure Tri-State recieved
box cars from just about any road imaginable in the 1960's Hope this helps, but
I think you have a lot of room here.

Have Fun

Mike Basktte

Re: New List Member

C Ford <cfordart@...>
 

Yeah, we did have a very interesting encounter. If you would like to see
a few photos of the RS3s (and the interesting story aforementioned) check
my web page in the 1989 and 1990 photos at

http://www.mindspring.com/~cfordart/etwnc/home.html

And welcome to the group.
Chris


-----------------------
Chris Ford
cfordart@...

http://www.mindspring.com/~cfordart/etwnc/home.html

Re: New List Member

Charles Brumbelow <cbrumbelow@...>
 

Welcome! I don't think 1960's standard gauge is taboo . . . Rumor has
it that one reunion group had a most interesting encounter with a couple
while photographing the ET&WNC RS3(?)! I grew up in Bristol (TN) and my
Dad had accounting clients in Elizabethton -- after the NG was gone.
Charles

baskette@... wrote:


. . . am currently planning a large switching layout of Johnson City set
in the mid to late 1960's. Included will be the E.T. & W.N.C. from J.C. to
Elizabethton. I figure this location and era gives my a unique opportunity to
run second generation EMD power on the CRR and Southern portions and steam on
the E.T.& W.N.C. up to 1968 and Alco's after that. Anyway, as you can gather,
my primary interests in the Tweetsie are it's standard gauge years. Hope that's
not taboo.

New List Member

Karl & Edwina Kleeman <kleenc@...>
 

Hey, the standard gage days of the ET&WNC are very interesting. I am
modeling the Alco RS3 diesel in largescale. Have been trying to get
pictures. Have some after the engines were out of service but would love
to get a couple when they were still in service. Can be sent to Karl
Kleeman, 619 Yarmouth Rd., Raleigh, NC 27607. I will pay all expenses.
Karl Kleeman

I am also interested in what types of cars the RS3s pulled. Would like to
be historically accurate if possible.

kleenc@...

New List Member

baskette@...
 

List Members,

Hello, my name is MIchael Baskette. I'm a model railroader in Lexington, KY and
a former a native of Johnson City Tennessee. I saw you had created this list on
the Slim Rails Web site, and figured I'd join in. I am primarily a Clinchfield
modeler, but am currently planning a large switching layout of Johnson City set
in the mid to late 1960's. Included will be the E.T. & W.N.C. from J.C. to
Elizabethton. I figure this location and era gives my a unique opportunity to
run second generation EMD power on the CRR and Southern portions and steam on
the E.T.& W.N.C. up to 1968 and Alco's after that. Anyway, as you can gather,
my primary interests in the Tweetsie are it's standard gauge years. Hope that's
not taboo. So far I have aquired photos of all the standard guage locos
operated in the 1960's steam and diesel, and USGS topo maps of JC and Eliz. I
figured this group might have insight into other questions. Recently aquired
and possibly of interst to some of you is a large number of CRR waybills for
freight traffic originating or terminating in Johnson City. Many are for cars
delivered to or loaded in Elizabethton and interchanged to/from the ET&WNC. They
list the industries who either loaded or recieved the cars. Again these are for
the 1960's so may be of limited appeal. Anyway, hope to get to know you soon.

Mike Baskette

Re: Web Page

Rick Blanchard <bdesign@...>
 

Les,

Whoops! It was hiding! Note that if you include the entire address,
including the "http://" part, it can be clicked on in the message and will
take you to the page, like this:

http://www.tiac.com/users/lwalker/wcm/wcm.html


www.tiac.com/users/lwalker (that's L Walker) /wcm/wcm.html Don't fuss
about the name, it's free to me... (you can get it from Yahoo by searching
for Webster Classic Models (that's not hard).
Cheers,
Rick

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Rick Blanchard
rick@...
San Diego, CA

My East Tennessee and Western North Carolina web site:
http://www.urbaneagle.com/slim/etwnc.html

Re: Les's Web Page

Rick Blanchard <bdesign@...>
 

Les,

Well, I finally updated our web page. It looks better... it loads faster
... click on the small picture and see the larger one (that takes a little
longer).
You forgot the address:
http://www.tiac.com/users/lwalker/wcm/wcm.html

Cheers,
Rick

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Rick Blanchard
rick@...
San Diego, CA

My East Tennessee and Western North Carolina web site:
http://www.urbaneagle.com/slim/etwnc.html

Web Page

J. L. Walker <WEBSTERCLASSICMODELS@...>
 

Well, I finally updated our web page. It looks better... it loads faster
... click on the small picture and see the larger one (that takes a little
longer).
The picts aren't quite as good as before -- to make it fast, you sacrifice
some quality.
Sorry there is no new ET&WNC stuff on there - we are trying to build our
layout for the 2000 St. Louis National Narrow Gauge Meet ( or the Colorado
Narrow Gauge Meet -- if you know what I mean). Well, our layout will be ET
and EBT and Pennsy and ?? Clinchfield. Any donations of Clinchfield
Challengers are readily accepted. We will have a bit of Cotton Belt... how
did that get into Tennessee.... well, in reality, you recognize that the UP
IS everywhere -- not just West.
Anyway, we hope to do Linville Depot in 1999.
www.tiac.com/users/lwalker (that's L Walker) /wcm/wcm.html Don't fuss
about the name, it's free to me... (you can get it from Yahoo by searching
for Webster Classic Models (that's not hard).
Narrowly,
Les Walker (and Mary Jo) dba Webster Classic Models

Re: Tweetsie Christmas

Rick Blanchard <bdesign@...>
 

Chris,

A Christmas Present to all on the list.

http://jefferson.village.virginia.edu/~cj8n/tweetsie/
What a delightful surprise! Thanks and Happy Holidays!

Cheers,
Rick

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Rick Blanchard
rick@...
San Diego, CA

My East Tennessee and Western North Carolina web site:
http://www.urbaneagle.com/slim/etwnc.html

Tweetsie Christmas

Chris Jessee <cdjessee@...>
 

A Christmas Present to all on the list.

http://jefferson.village.virginia.edu/~cj8n/tweetsie/

Merry Christmas!




Chris Jessee
cdjessee@...
190 Lake Club Court #107
Charlottesville, VA 22902
804-979-7279

Modified Library web page

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

I have modified the Slimrails Library web page to reflect the homes of the
new lists:

http://www.concentric.net/~Rswebber/library.shtml

(note that you DO need the .shtml at the end)

From this page, you will be able to subscribe to any of these three lists
(by following the links);
search the archives for any of the three lists (again, by following the
links); or send mail to the lists (again, by following the links).

I just hope we won't have any more of those bounces from the old lists!

Bob

List moved

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

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Remember now with this list we will have digest & archives available!

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