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Re: Train dispatching and operations on the ET&WNC

Dean Smith
 

Lee,
 
As far as I know, the freight trains were run as extras, and the locomotive number was used as the number of the train.  For example, a train order would be written out to “Ex 11.”  The written order of the last train order read, “Eng 11 Run Extra Elizabethton to Cranberry & Return”.  The July, August, September 1995 issue (Issue 8-1) of the Blue Ridge Stemwinder contains an article about the Train Conductor Train Book and how it was filled out.  I used these examples when I planned freight train movements on the Vida Division. 
 
Passenger trains had numbers.  One timetable from 1925 lists passenger trains 1-4.  This is how I run passenger trains on the Vida Division:  Passenger Train 1 leaves Boone at 6:30 am and arrives at Johnson City at 10:50 am.  It then lays over at Johnson City until it leaves as Passenger Train 4 at 1:00 pm.  It is due back in Boone at 4:54 pm.  A second passenger train runs Johnson City to Boone and return at Passenger Trains 2 and 3.   
 
I am attaching copies of a couple of train orders, a page from my Freight Conductor’s Train Book, a prototype timetable, and the timetable from the Vida Division.
 
I hope this information helps.  There are many members of the Historical Society who know way more than I do about train operation, and I’m sure they will be able to help you as well.
 
Dean   
 

From: Lee Bishop
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 1:13 PM
Subject: [ETWNC] Train dispatching and operations on the ET&WNC
 
I was wondering if anyone has done research into how freight trains were dispatched by the RR and if they had train numbers or designations. So, for someone with a (pre-1950) ET&WNC layout, how would they designate trains in either direction? Or were they all just done with train orders with no scheduling for freights, with train designations?
I'd love to label my own layout trains by train designations but I've never seen anything that goes into how they dispatched freights. The passenger trains are pretty well documented by timetables, but I'm not even sure if they had train numbers (though they must have had as they ran fixed schedules)...
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Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30


Train dispatching and operations on the ET&WNC

Lee Bishop
 

I was wondering if anyone has done research into how freight trains were dispatched by the RR and if they had train numbers or designations. So, for someone with a (pre-1950) ET&WNC layout, how would they designate trains in either direction? Or were they all just done with train orders with no scheduling for freights, with train designations? 
I'd love to label my own layout trains by train designations but I've never seen anything that goes into how they dispatched freights. The passenger trains are pretty well documented by timetables, but I'm not even sure if they had train numbers (though they must have had as they ran fixed schedules)...
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Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30


Re: Carpentery work on the On30 ET&WNC layout's structures. From Dr Tom

Tom Grabenstein
 

Thank you Lee,Dean,and Bill. Your support means a lot. 

Yes, Dean, the bug eyed carpenter perched on the roof is a bit frightened of heights and is having an advanced Adrenaline (epinephrine) rush

Dr Tom

On Jan 29, 2022, at 6:11 AM, William Uffelman via groups.io <ufffam@...> wrote:

Looking good Dr Tom.

Bill Uffelman 


On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 8:54 PM, Tom Grabenstein
<tomgmd@...> wrote:
Hello,

Here is a little update for y’all. Carpenters have been busy putting roofs on the multiple angles of the Cranberry Iron Ore mine concentrator and tipple.

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Carpenter's work is also getting done as framing is going up for a line side shed for the workers at the water column and engine service track in the Johnson City RR yard.

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Thanks for looking.

Doc Tom


Dr Tom Grabenstein
President ET&WNC RR in On30
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Re: Carpentery work on the On30 ET&WNC layout's structures. From Dr Tom

William Uffelman
 

Looking good Dr Tom.

Bill Uffelman 


On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 8:54 PM, Tom Grabenstein
<tomgmd@...> wrote:
Hello,

Here is a little update for y’all. Carpenters have been busy putting roofs on the multiple angles of the Cranberry Iron Ore mine concentrator and tipple.


Carpenter's work is also getting done as framing is going up for a line side shed for the workers at the water column and engine service track in the Johnson City RR yard.


Thanks for looking.

Doc Tom


Dr Tom Grabenstein
President ET&WNC RR in On30


Re: Carpentery work on the On30 ET&WNC layout's structures. From Dr Tom

Dean Smith
 

Wonderful work, as always!  Keep telling those stories.  I love the look in the roofer’s eyes. 
 
Dean
 

From: Lee Bishop
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] Carpentery work on the On30 ET&WNC layout's structures. From Dr Tom
 
Looks great, as your work always does!
--
Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30


Re: Carpentery work on the On30 ET&WNC layout's structures. From Dr Tom

Lee Bishop
 

Looks great, as your work always does!
--
Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30


Carpentery work on the On30 ET&WNC layout's structures. From Dr Tom

Tom Grabenstein
 

Hello,

Here is a little update for y’all. Carpenters have been busy putting roofs on the multiple angles of the Cranberry Iron Ore mine concentrator and tipple.


Carpenter's work is also getting done as framing is going up for a line side shed for the workers at the water column and engine service track in the Johnson City RR yard.


Thanks for looking.

Doc Tom


Dr Tom Grabenstein
President ET&WNC RR in On30


Re: YouTube program on model train photography, ET&WNC centered

Dean Smith
 

Lee,
 
I just watched your clinic on YouTube.  Excellent job all around, showcasing the quality of your modeling, your photography, and your actual presentation.  I love your old-school approach.  I learned a lot and plan on trying some new things with my Canon.  I’ll save my specific questions for another time.
 
I am really looking forward to meeting you in person and visiting your layout in September.  I hope Jacob Wright attends.  I have chatted with him virtually, and he is a real up and comer.
 
Thank you for presenting our favorite railroad in such a favorable light!
 
Dean
 
 
 

From: Lee Bishop
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] YouTube program on model train photography, ET&WNC centered
 
Thanks, Doc Tom. I have quite a bit of ET&WNC wearables these days, what with the stuff that's come out in the past couple of years or so...
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Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30


Re: YouTube program on model train photography, ET&WNC centered

Lee Bishop
 

Thanks, Doc Tom. I have quite a bit of ET&WNC wearables these days, what with the stuff that's come out in the past couple of years or so...
--
Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30


HOn3 Annual is out!

Lee Bishop
 

I just got the 2021 HOn3 Annual (yeah, I know it's not 2021 anymore, but one guy edits them all so let's cut the man some slack). There's an excellent article by Johnny about general structures for the ET&WNC, a great article on engine facilities modelled at the Johnson City layout. Dean Smith also has a great article on the dispatcher desk on his ET&WNC layout.
It doesn't matter if you model in another scale (or maybe don't even model at all), there's a lot of great ET&WNC info in this one!
Great job, everyone.
--
Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30


Re: YouTube program on model train photography, ET&WNC centered

Tom Grabenstein
 

Lee,this was really good. I liked all the cell phone shots. The B&W pictures were also quite nice. Thanks for sharing this with all of us. Enjoyed seeing you decked out in your ET&WNC swag too. Doc Tom


On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...> wrote:


I did a talk about model train photography, which the local NMRA region asked for so they could record it. 
https://youtu.be/flMlzCbfxW8 
I found it funny how they kept my comments about the NMRA calendar...
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Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30


YouTube program on model train photography, ET&WNC centered

Lee Bishop
 

I did a talk about model train photography, which the local NMRA region asked for so they could record it. 
https://youtu.be/flMlzCbfxW8 
I found it funny how they kept my comments about the NMRA calendar...
--
Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30


Re: Grade crossing

Lee Bishop
 

Thanks, guys.
Dr Tom, the curve keeps going that direction, the camera wasn't on the tracks.
Dean, I consider your layout, mine and Dr Tom's to exist in the same alternate reality. In my minds' eye, trains on my layout pass through both your layouts at some point on their way to either Cranberry or Johnson City.
The funny thing about my layout's location is that each time I get published somewhere, the editor will often get at least one email from someone in the Blue Ridge area, asking if they can come visit. A few gets passed on to me, often with a humorous comment (the last one said, "Do you wanna tell this guy he'll have to drive thousand of miles, or should I?"). That, and people who stumble across my info somewhere, caused me to create a form response explaining I am about as far from Tweetsie Country as I can be and still be in the Continental US. Let's face it; most people model something local to them (or in my case, an area I knew from my youth, though in my case taking place many years before I was born), so people generally expect that if I model the ET&WNC, well, i must live somewhere nearby. that's a fair assumption.

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Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30


Re: Grade crossing

William Uffelman
 

Your new photo is great. Thanks for sharing.

Bill Uffelman 


On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:15 AM, Dean Smith via groups.io
<smithfive@...> wrote:
Lee,
 
What a realistic looking scene!  Beautiful job.  Thanks for sharing.  It’s hard to believe that the Stoney Creek Branch and the ET&WNC RR in On30 are separated by over half the country.  One could easily believe they are just on the other side of a mountain and across a hollow in the Blue Ridge.
 
Dean
 
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] Grade crossing
 
A wonderful B&W picture. The photographer captured the whistle blast of steam nicely, but he better get off the tracks soon.
 
Doc Tom

On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:04 PM, Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...> wrote:
 
ET&WNC 11 takes a short commuter train past the Grindstaff store at Sadie, TN, blowing the grade crossing where the photographer is standing...
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Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30
 


Re: Grade crossing

Dean Smith
 

Lee,
 
What a realistic looking scene!  Beautiful job.  Thanks for sharing.  It’s hard to believe that the Stoney Creek Branch and the ET&WNC RR in On30 are separated by over half the country.  One could easily believe they are just on the other side of a mountain and across a hollow in the Blue Ridge.
 
Dean
 

Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] Grade crossing
 
A wonderful B&W picture. The photographer captured the whistle blast of steam nicely, but he better get off the tracks soon.
 
Doc Tom

On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:04 PM, Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...> wrote:
 
ET&WNC 11 takes a short commuter train past the Grindstaff store at Sadie, TN, blowing the grade crossing where the photographer is standing...
<20220112195128_IMG_6158-01-01.jpeg>

--
Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30
 


Re: Grade crossing

Tom Grabenstein
 

A wonderful B&W picture. The photographer captured the whistle blast of steam nicely, but he better get off the tracks soon.

Doc Tom

On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:04 PM, Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...> wrote:

ET&WNC 11 takes a short commuter train past the Grindstaff store at Sadie, TN, blowing the grade crossing where the photographer is standing...
<20220112195128_IMG_6158-01-01.jpeg>

--
Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30


Grade crossing

Lee Bishop
 

ET&WNC 11 takes a short commuter train past the Grindstaff store at Sadie, TN, blowing the grade crossing where the photographer is standing...

--
Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30


Re: The little Rail Road helps build California.

Tom Grabenstein
 

Very good ideas. You can get a feel for how labor intensive Narrow Gauge railroading was. Especially at the interchange with the Standard Gauge operations of the rest of the United States. I am going to have to order some LP and get to painting them.

Doc Tom
Dr Tom Grabenstein
President ET&WNC RR in On30



On Jan 12, 2022, at 3:20 PM, William Uffelman via groups.io <ufffam@...> wrote:

Need a crew of 4 or more LP to transfer the lumber between the cars - 2 on each car passing boards across the open space. Load visible in door of the NG car and two in door of SG car receiving each board to be stacked. A board "in transit" across the open space, one LP attached the each end of the board would allow scene to be set up as needed by opening the doors and dropping them in. Other people fixed in the two cars.

Bill


On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 3:37 PM, Tom Grabenstein
<tomgmd@...> wrote:
Thank you Bill and Dean for the kind messages. I’m having way too much fun in retirement working on this railroad. More to come. Dr. Tom


On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:53 AM, William Uffelman via groups.io <ufffam@...> wrote:

Good looking scene.

Bill Uffelman 


On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 8:45 AM, Dean Smith via groups.io
<smithfive@...> wrote:
Doc Tom,
 
Very realistic scene.  Don’t you love B&W?
 
Dean
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] The little Rail Road helps build California.
 
Hi Lee,
 
Thanks for the (+) feedback. The box car was a scratch built find from eBay that needed some work and the raw styrene needed a paint job. It just looked right so I bought it. Took several months to get on to the layout.
 
Doc Tom
 

On Jan 11, 2022, at 8:37 PM, Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...> wrote:
 
Great shots as always.
Who made the boxcar?
--
Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30
 


Re: The little Rail Road helps build California.

William Uffelman
 

Need a crew of 4 or more LP to transfer the lumber between the cars - 2 on each car passing boards across the open space. Load visible in door of the NG car and two in door of SG car receiving each board to be stacked. A board "in transit" across the open space, one LP attached the each end of the board would allow scene to be set up as needed by opening the doors and dropping them in. Other people fixed in the two cars.

Bill


On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 3:37 PM, Tom Grabenstein
<tomgmd@...> wrote:
Thank you Bill and Dean for the kind messages. I’m having way too much fun in retirement working on this railroad. More to come. Dr. Tom


On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:53 AM, William Uffelman via groups.io <ufffam@...> wrote:

Good looking scene.

Bill Uffelman 


On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 8:45 AM, Dean Smith via groups.io
<smithfive@...> wrote:
Doc Tom,
 
Very realistic scene.  Don’t you love B&W?
 
Dean
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] The little Rail Road helps build California.
 
Hi Lee,
 
Thanks for the (+) feedback. The box car was a scratch built find from eBay that needed some work and the raw styrene needed a paint job. It just looked right so I bought it. Took several months to get on to the layout.
 
Doc Tom
 

On Jan 11, 2022, at 8:37 PM, Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...> wrote:
 
Great shots as always.
Who made the boxcar?
--
Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30
 


Re: The little Rail Road helps build California.

Tom Grabenstein
 

Thank you Bill and Dean for the kind messages. I’m having way too much fun in retirement working on this railroad. More to come. Dr. Tom


On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:53 AM, William Uffelman via groups.io <ufffam@...> wrote:

Good looking scene.

Bill Uffelman 


On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 8:45 AM, Dean Smith via groups.io
<smithfive@...> wrote:
Doc Tom,
 
Very realistic scene.  Don’t you love B&W?
 
Dean
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] The little Rail Road helps build California.
 
Hi Lee,
 
Thanks for the (+) feedback. The box car was a scratch built find from eBay that needed some work and the raw styrene needed a paint job. It just looked right so I bought it. Took several months to get on to the layout.
 
Doc Tom
 

On Jan 11, 2022, at 8:37 PM, Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...> wrote:
 
Great shots as always.
Who made the boxcar?
--
Lee Bishop
Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30
 

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