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Re: Opinions requested on "forced perspective" in the Johnson City yard.

tfillion182
 

Dr Tom,

I just tried a test by printing and cutting out your CC&O Depot and folding it along the building corner such that there is about 1 inch depth to your angled “flat”.  Even with this small angle, the building seems to change prespective as you move left to right along the layout.  If you like the way that looks, then maybe add some very thin 3D features such as the entry roof.

Tim Fillion

 

From: ETWNC@groups.io [mailto:ETWNC@groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Grabenstein
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 7:18 PM
To: ETWNC@groups.io
Subject: [ETWNC] Opinions requested on "forced perspective" in the Johnson City yard.

 

Hello y’all,

 

I hope everyone is doing well and staying safe and healthy.

 

Tonight, I am requesting opinions from the guys and gals of the ET&WNC historical group. There are many great modelers and historians in this group.

 

As I advance my On30 ET& WNC layout I am in the early construction phase of my rendition of the Johnson City yard. This yard is huge and very interesting as you all know.

 

 

I have 11 and a half feet of pink foam to try and pay a respectable homage to this yard and all it did for the RR and Johnson City.

 

I have determined that in the 1920’s that there were quite a lot of brick structures usually 2-4 stories tall. I have also found colorized photos of structures at the yard.

 

                                                            The Clinchfield Depot down the tracks from the ET&WNC/Southern Depot.

 

 

The Model Mill Company

 

 

And Science High School. (My med school roommate went here.)

 

So I have temporarily been arranging cutouts of prints of these pictures at one end of the layout in a type of “forced perspective.” The Science High School goes on the other end of the yard out of town and has not been prepared.

 

 

 

So what do you all think. Am I heading down the right track or is this an exercise in overkill or futility??? I appreciate all input, advice and critiques.

 

Thanks.  Dr Tom

 

 

 

 

Tom Grabenstein

 

 

 


Re: Opinions requested on "forced perspective" in the Johnson City yard.

Chris Jessee
 

Perhaps the buildings could be perspective corrected in photoshop to get all the buildings converging correctly. 


Re: Locomotive repair

Chris Jessee
 

Thanks Larry,

Those are HO scale model kits I made many years ago. I sold the designs to Barmills but they never put the kits back into production. I may have some stray parts for it if you want. 


Re: Opinions requested on "forced perspective" in the Johnson City yard.

Tom Grabenstein
 

Hi Mike,

Yes I have considered using small mirrors (like John Allen did on the Gorre and Daphetid) at the end of track where it meets the back drop. Thanks for the input.

Dr Tom

On Mar 1, 2021, at 6:56 PM, Mike West <west9628@...> wrote:

Have you considered half building with mirror behind?
mw


On Mar 1, 2021, at 7:18 PM, Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:

Hello y’all,

I hope everyone is doing well and staying safe and healthy.

Tonight, I am requesting opinions from the guys and gals of the ET&WNC historical group. There are many great modelers and historians in this group.

As I advance my On30 ET& WNC layout I am in the early construction phase of my rendition of the Johnson City yard. This yard is huge and very interesting as you all know.

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I have 11 and a half feet of pink foam to try and pay a respectable homage to this yard and all it did for the RR and Johnson City.

I have determined that in the 1920’s that there were quite a lot of brick structures usually 2-4 stories tall. I have also found colorized photos of structures at the yard.

<clinchdepot1.jpg>
The Clinchfield Depot down the tracks from the ET&WNC/Southern Depot.

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The Model Mill Company

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And Science High School. (My med school roommate went here.)

So I have temporarily been arranging cutouts of prints of these pictures at one end of the layout in a type of “forced perspective.” The Science High School goes on the other end of the yard out of town and has not been prepared.

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So what do you all think. Am I heading down the right track or is this an exercise in overkill or futility??? I appreciate all input, advice and critiques.

Thanks.  Dr Tom





Tom Grabenstein





Re: Opinions requested on "forced perspective" in the Johnson City yard.

Mike West
 

Have you considered half building with mirror behind?
mw


On Mar 1, 2021, at 7:18 PM, Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:

Hello y’all,

I hope everyone is doing well and staying safe and healthy.

Tonight, I am requesting opinions from the guys and gals of the ET&WNC historical group. There are many great modelers and historians in this group.

As I advance my On30 ET& WNC layout I am in the early construction phase of my rendition of the Johnson City yard. This yard is huge and very interesting as you all know.

<eadda368db37d48906740c4aba51e558.jpg>
<f0e6d95db51b46792c77919eae066df3.jpg>

I have 11 and a half feet of pink foam to try and pay a respectable homage to this yard and all it did for the RR and Johnson City.

I have determined that in the 1920’s that there were quite a lot of brick structures usually 2-4 stories tall. I have also found colorized photos of structures at the yard.

<clinchdepot1.jpg>
The Clinchfield Depot down the tracks from the ET&WNC/Southern Depot.

<model-flour-mill-johnson-city-tenn.jpg>

The Model Mill Company

<schhill.jpg>

And Science High School. (My med school roommate went here.)

So I have temporarily been arranging cutouts of prints of these pictures at one end of the layout in a type of “forced perspective.” The Science High School goes on the other end of the yard out of town and has not been prepared.

<fullsizeoutput_1cd7.jpeg>

<fullsizeoutput_1cd9.jpeg>

So what do you all think. Am I heading down the right track or is this an exercise in overkill or futility??? I appreciate all input, advice and critiques.

Thanks.  Dr Tom





Tom Grabenstein




Opinions requested on "forced perspective" in the Johnson City yard.

Tom Grabenstein
 

Hello y’all,

I hope everyone is doing well and staying safe and healthy.

Tonight, I am requesting opinions from the guys and gals of the ET&WNC historical group. There are many great modelers and historians in this group.

As I advance my On30 ET& WNC layout I am in the early construction phase of my rendition of the Johnson City yard. This yard is huge and very interesting as you all know.


I have 11 and a half feet of pink foam to try and pay a respectable homage to this yard and all it did for the RR and Johnson City.

I have determined that in the 1920’s that there were quite a lot of brick structures usually 2-4 stories tall. I have also found colorized photos of structures at the yard.

The Clinchfield Depot down the tracks from the ET&WNC/Southern Depot.


The Model Mill Company


And Science High School. (My med school roommate went here.)

So I have temporarily been arranging cutouts of prints of these pictures at one end of the layout in a type of “forced perspective.” The Science High School goes on the other end of the yard out of town and has not been prepared.



So what do you all think. Am I heading down the right track or is this an exercise in overkill or futility??? I appreciate all input, advice and critiques.

Thanks.  Dr Tom





Tom Grabenstein




Re: Locomotive repair

Larry Smith
 

Chris

On the front truck problem, check the wheels to make sure they have the insulation on the wheels on the same side.  Lots of brass locomotives have that problem.  What are those structures you have shown in the photos, especially the pulpwood yard.

Larry Smith


On Monday, March 1, 2021, 12:09:41 PM CST, Chris Jessee via groups.io <cj8n@...> wrote:


Howdy, 

I've got three Train and Trooper ET locomotives that I'd like to get running. Can anyone recommend a reliable repair person? 

I sent one off and had it converted to DCC and a keep alive put in it. It still doesn't run well as it has some sort of short related to the front trucks. 

The other two are stock. 

I also have three Blackstones that run great. 

I'd really like to get the Train and Trooper locos running well. Is that even possible?  

Hopefully Blackstone will make a ET model.  I'd love to get more of them. 

Thanks

Chris Jessee




Locomotive repair

Chris Jessee
 

Howdy, 

I've got three Train and Trooper ET locomotives that I'd like to get running. Can anyone recommend a reliable repair person? 

I sent one off and had it converted to DCC and a keep alive put in it. It still doesn't run well as it has some sort of short related to the front trucks. 

The other two are stock. 

I also have three Blackstones that run great. 

I'd really like to get the Train and Trooper locos running well. Is that even possible?  

Hopefully Blackstone will make a ET model.  I'd love to get more of them. 

Thanks

Chris Jessee




Video company looking for photo of #12 with freight from the 40s

Lee Bishop
 

Can someone help this guy out for a video project? Appears it has ET film in it: https://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/read.php?1,415182
--
Lee Bishop
Owner, Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30 gauge


Re: Presentation on 2-19-21

Brian Kopp
 

Lee,
I watched the presentation last night.  It was great. I enjoyed all the history details too.....

BTW, I am only an occasional visitor to the ETWNC area with no local roots...... =)

--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, Florida


Re: Presentation on 2-19-21

Lee Bishop
 


Re: Presentation on 2-19-21

Sheldon Daitch
 


For some reason, I can't seem to locate the email with the link to that presentation.

Would someone be so kind as to repeat the email with the link?

Thanks,

Sheldon


Re: Presentation on 2-19-21

Lee Bishop
 

My folks were born and raised there, both born in '36. I heard Buladeen lots of times and Siam as well, but I don't think I knew Hurley Hollow was at Sadie until a few years ago. You can look at online maps and they list all these as unincorporated towns. To me, it always looked like rural sprawl with no start of end along the main road.
My Dad thinks those names were station names on the old Stoney Creek Railroad which went belly up around 1932. I have no idea if that's correct, as the only book I've ever found that mentions the railroad doesn't go into it.
Frankly, I wish I had named the stations after Hurley Hollow, Dry Branch, Speedwell and places the locals know today, but it didn't seem correct to do so.
Dad says that as a kid, he used the old roadbed of that line to hunt and fish, but that has been since the last time I've been there, so I would imagine today you might not be able to find any traces.
In my layout concept, my line was competing railroad to that one and survived into the 30s to be bought out by the ET&WNC. Maybe I should have just called it that line made it later in history, but hindsight is always 20-20
Oh, pretty much everyone in my family in my parent's generation went to Unaka High. I'm drawing a blank, but they went to that elementary school that's at the base of Hurley Hollow as well. Just can't think of the name right now...
Speaking of Unaka High, when I was in art school, I did a comic book that takes place after an economic and political apocalypse, where a bunch of Air Force reservists were flying WW2 and 50s prop-driven airplanes and using Unaka High for their base of operations against Cubans trying to take control of the Watauga dam (and eventually booming it with a B-25). I never wrote part 2, which would have used their last F-16 fighter against a Russian nuke and wiping out the entire valley. So, the idea of using that area for fictional stuff isn't new to me.
--
Lee Bishop
Owner, Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30 gauge


Re: Presentation on 2-19-21

Ryan Rice
 

What I find interesting is I was born and raised in that area (lived there for 22 years and my sister still lives in my childhood home). Went to Hunter and Unaka High from K-12 and have never heard the names "Winner", "Sadie" or "Buladeen". I'm an 80-90s kid so maybe my generation just didn't use those names as much.
Names I always heard and used are "Hunter", "Blue Springs", "Siam" (which is not really part of Stoney Creek) or "Stoney Creek" and then the individual hollow (holler as it is pronounced there) names...like Hurley Hollow, Blevins Hollow, Peters Hollow, etc.
Google maps also has an area in Siam labeled "Dogtown". I literally never heard that once in my life.


On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 1:14 PM Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...> wrote:
Ryan, my Dad's childhood home was on Hurley Hollow, I went up there every year, growing up. Mom grew up just before the JN Taylor store at Sadie.
As for my camera, I use a Canon Rebel on a tripod of placed on the layout with long exposures (usually around 2 minutes). Most smoke and steam effects you see in those shots were done in the original image, as I hate putting those in with Photoshop later.
Long exposures cure a lot of depth of field issues, and is an old-school method.
--
Lee Bishop
Owner, Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30 gauge


Re: Presentation on 2-19-21

Lee Bishop
 

Ryan, my Dad's childhood home was on Hurley Hollow, I went up there every year, growing up. Mom grew up just before the JN Taylor store at Sadie.
As for my camera, I use a Canon Rebel on a tripod of placed on the layout with long exposures (usually around 2 minutes). Most smoke and steam effects you see in those shots were done in the original image, as I hate putting those in with Photoshop later.
Long exposures cure a lot of depth of field issues, and is an old-school method.
--
Lee Bishop
Owner, Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30 gauge


Re: Presentation on 2-19-21

Ryan Rice
 

Oh, I forgot to add, I am from Stoney Creek.


On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:19 AM Ryan Rice via groups.io <whiteonrice04=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Lee,
Very nice. I know nothing about the model train world (just a fan of ET&WNC), but I really enjoyed this. A lot of it was over my head but the amount of work and detail is amazing. Very impressive.
I am a photographer so I definitely enjoyed the photos of your layout. What camera/lens do you use to take most of your photos (the only one I heard mentioned was the GoPro for the inside photo of the store)?
I also have a lot of CAD experience and have thought about trying to get into modeling some items for 3D printing.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 11:42 PM Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...> wrote:
The group edited my presentation, here it is for those who might be interested but didn't catch it in real time.
Click here to watch it
--
Lee Bishop
Owner, Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30 gauge


Re: Presentation on 2-19-21

Ryan Rice
 

Lee,
Very nice. I know nothing about the model train world (just a fan of ET&WNC), but I really enjoyed this. A lot of it was over my head but the amount of work and detail is amazing. Very impressive.
I am a photographer so I definitely enjoyed the photos of your layout. What camera/lens do you use to take most of your photos (the only one I heard mentioned was the GoPro for the inside photo of the store)?
I also have a lot of CAD experience and have thought about trying to get into modeling some items for 3D printing.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 11:42 PM Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...> wrote:
The group edited my presentation, here it is for those who might be interested but didn't catch it in real time.
Click here to watch it
--
Lee Bishop
Owner, Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30 gauge


Re: Presentation on 2-19-21

Lee Bishop
 

The group edited my presentation, here it is for those who might be interested but didn't catch it in real time.
Click here to watch it
--
Lee Bishop
Owner, Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30 gauge


Thank you and the Cranberry Water tank

Tom Grabenstein
 

Many, many thank yous  to Lee, Chris, Dean, Bill, Tuhr, and Mark. I appreciate the kindness and supportive words.

Chris, I am now a retired family doc and have much more modeling time. My wife is also extremely supportive and we have negotiated regular hobby time each day for the “Tweetsie obsession.” Its amazing what you can get done with working on the RR daily.

Also, all you guys make this possible with your incredible work done on modeling and researching this unique little rail road. For example full diagrams from the ET&WNC of the Cranberry tank made this project possible. This is a well researched and photographed narrow gauge line.

Again, many thanks.

Doc Tom

On Feb 21, 2021, at 5:29 PM, Chris Ford <chris@...> wrote:

Doc, I'd like to know how you manage to get 36 hours into each day!

Very proficient...and some great work utilizing the old photos that we all love!

Keep it up and keep sharing!






Chris

 
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President - ET&WNC Railroad Historical Society
www.etwncrrhs.org
chris@...
901-497-0809
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 16:21:08 -0600, "Tom Grabenstein" <tomgmd@...> wrote:
 
Always enjoyed this picture of the Cranberry water tank.
 
 
Well, maybe it is sort of similar?? 
 
I enjoyed this build and attempt at recreating ET&WNC history.
 
Dr Tom
 
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Re: A rendition of the Cranberry Water tank

Lee Bishop
 

Great work as always, Tom!
--
Lee Bishop
Owner, Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30 gauge

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