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Re: 70 Years Ago...

Al Spainhour
 

I really appreciate all the people who have done so much to preserve the ET equipment that exists to this day.  Of course, a lot has been lost forever, but the events that saved #12, the 505 caboose,

The combine 15, boxcars, Linville Depot, and the Doe River Gorge ROW,  are really quite a story.  Any of these could have been so easily lost.  Thanks, too, to the historians of all sorts who have documented, and continue to document, the story. 

 

Thanks!

From: ETWNC@groups.io [mailto:ETWNC@groups.io] On Behalf Of Curtis Brookshire via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 5:42 AM
To: ETWNC@groups.io
Subject: [ETWNC] 70 Years Ago...

 

As we're all aware, 70 years ago today the ET&WNC ran its last revenue train from Elizabethton to Cranberry and back. This was probably the best documented freight train - we've seen some nice rolls from passenger excursions. Jack Alexander, Vince Ryan and John Krause's photos are all familiar to us. So, what was in that train and where were those cars going? The following is based on some published stories and some basic railroad operating philosophies, but has a degree of speculation, so feel free to correct any errors you might find.

The famous shot of the train climbing State Line Hill shows a couple of gondolas followed by a string of boxcars. The gondolas were bound for Cranberry with told for the scrappers. I would assume the cars might have been used to hold rails being lifted by said scrappers. Some of the boxcars had been sold to be used as sheds on local farms. Sherman Pippin is said to have bought three of them. At least one car was a load - wood picked up in Roan Mountain for Graybeal Lumber - the last narrow gauge revenue load. Any remaining cars would have been brought back to Elizabethton for scrapping. When a railroad lists a line as abandoned, they usually run a "funeral train" to bring any remaining interchange and company cars off the line, as from this point forward the line would no longer be dispatched and under the control of the salvage company. I'm also told that at least one of the motorcars was leased by the scrappers. Without known photos of the scrappers in action, I have no visual proof. #11 ran at least once more after this date. Standard gauge #204 derailed its tender in Elizabethton and there is a photo of 11 assisting in re-railing the tender. 11's front coupler knuckle is missing and the engine is more heavily weathered than it was on October 16th, so we've concluded this took place after the last run to Cranberry. 

Even though the Narrow Gauge ended service, the spirit of the ET&WNC still lives through us, our photos, models, museums and of course the DRG and Tweetsie RR. 

Best wishes,
Curtis Brookshire
Pine Level, NC


Re: 70 Years Ago...

Lee Bishop
 

Thanks for the reminder...

--
Lee Bishop
Owner, Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30 gauge


Re: 70 Years Ago...

Dean Smith
 

Curtis,
    Thanks for sharing this.
 
Dean
 

From: Tweetsie12
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] 70 Years Ago...
 
Huh, I'd completely forgot today is the anniversary of that fateful run. It's a crying shame that both #11 and #9 had to lay claim to the scrapyard. Oh Well, At least #12's still with us.


Re: 70 Years Ago...

Tweetsie12
 

Huh, I'd completely forgot today is the anniversary of that fateful run. It's a crying shame that both #11 and #9 had to lay claim to the scrapyard. Oh Well, At least #12's still with us.


Re: 70 Years Ago...

Curtis Brookshire
 

Make that “tools” for the scrappers in the gons. 


70 Years Ago...

Curtis Brookshire
 

As we're all aware, 70 years ago today the ET&WNC ran its last revenue train from Elizabethton to Cranberry and back. This was probably the best documented freight train - we've seen some nice rolls from passenger excursions. Jack Alexander, Vince Ryan and John Krause's photos are all familiar to us. So, what was in that train and where were those cars going? The following is based on some published stories and some basic railroad operating philosophies, but has a degree of speculation, so feel free to correct any errors you might find.

The famous shot of the train climbing State Line Hill shows a couple of gondolas followed by a string of boxcars. The gondolas were bound for Cranberry with told for the scrappers. I would assume the cars might have been used to hold rails being lifted by said scrappers. Some of the boxcars had been sold to be used as sheds on local farms. Sherman Pippin is said to have bought three of them. At least one car was a load - wood picked up in Roan Mountain for Graybeal Lumber - the last narrow gauge revenue load. Any remaining cars would have been brought back to Elizabethton for scrapping. When a railroad lists a line as abandoned, they usually run a "funeral train" to bring any remaining interchange and company cars off the line, as from this point forward the line would no longer be dispatched and under the control of the salvage company. I'm also told that at least one of the motorcars was leased by the scrappers. Without known photos of the scrappers in action, I have no visual proof. #11 ran at least once more after this date. Standard gauge #204 derailed its tender in Elizabethton and there is a photo of 11 assisting in re-railing the tender. 11's front coupler knuckle is missing and the engine is more heavily weathered than it was on October 16th, so we've concluded this took place after the last run to Cranberry. 

Even though the Narrow Gauge ended service, the spirit of the ET&WNC still lives through us, our photos, models, museums and of course the DRG and Tweetsie RR. 

Best wishes,
Curtis Brookshire
Pine Level, NC


DRG discussion on rypn forum...

Lee Bishop
 


Re: 12 rounds a curve with a coal train, in On30

Lee Bishop
 

Thanks!
I also uploaded This video but it didn't turn out as good as I'd hoped...
--
Lee Bishop
Owner, Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30 gauge


ET&WNC 4-6-0s for sale

Steve Austin <sea110947@...>
 

Have New in Box Green On30 ET 4-6-0.

$250 ......

Also the same loco in Black.

Also $250.

Steve Austin


On Sun, Oct 11, 2020, 2:05 PM Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:
Very nice. Enjoyed the B&W effect. Thank you. Dr Tom

On Oct 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...> wrote:

I shot this the other day on my layout:

https://youtu.be/_qR5oo2NC4c
It just seemed to beg for B/W...

--
Lee Bishop
Owner, Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30 gauge


Re: 12 rounds a curve with a coal train, in On30

Tom Grabenstein
 

Very nice. Enjoyed the B&W effect. Thank you. Dr Tom

On Oct 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...> wrote:

I shot this the other day on my layout:

https://youtu.be/_qR5oo2NC4c
It just seemed to beg for B/W...

--
Lee Bishop
Owner, Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30 gauge


12 rounds a curve with a coal train, in On30

Lee Bishop
 

I shot this the other day on my layout:

https://youtu.be/_qR5oo2NC4c
It just seemed to beg for B/W...

--
Lee Bishop
Owner, Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30 gauge


Re: Ash pit at Johnson City

Mark Lewis
 

Dean,

A fine looking loco none the less.
Sound? Why mess with success, when you are pleased with the way it runs now.

Mark Lewis 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 6:06 PM Dean Smith <smithfive@...> wrote:
Mark,
    Thanks!  I obtained the locomotive years ago from Les Walker. I believe she is a Keystone Locomotive Works Rio Grande C-18 #318 Samhongsa import from Korea. She was painted and lettered when I got her. I added a Digitrax decoder many years ago. She has always run well and usually works Cranberry during operating sessions. The domes and bell aren’t correct, but I’ve never worried about that.  Perhaps someday I’ll add sound.
 
Dean  
 
From: Mark Lewis
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2020 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] Ash pit at Johnson City
 
Dean,

It looks convincing to me. Nicely done.
BTW...what is the source of loco #5?

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


Re: Ash pit at Johnson City

Lee Bishop
 

Wow, great looking global gauge ash pit!
--
Lee Bishop
Owner, Stoney Creek branch of the ET&WNC in On30 gauge


Re: Ash pit at Johnson City

Dean Smith
 

Mark,
    Thanks!  I obtained the locomotive years ago from Les Walker. I believe she is a Keystone Locomotive Works Rio Grande C-18 #318 Samhongsa import from Korea. She was painted and lettered when I got her. I added a Digitrax decoder many years ago. She has always run well and usually works Cranberry during operating sessions. The domes and bell aren’t correct, but I’ve never worried about that.  Perhaps someday I’ll add sound.
 
Dean  
 

From: Mark Lewis
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2020 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] Ash pit at Johnson City
 
Dean,

It looks convincing to me. Nicely done.
BTW...what is the source of loco #5?

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


Re: Ash pit at Johnson City

Tom Grabenstein
 

Very nice. Just realized there is a sooty “chimney sweep” with the all important broom in the very realistic pit. Those steamers sure required a big work force.  Doc Tom

On Oct 9, 2020, at 3:53 PM, Mark Lewis <narrowrails12@...> wrote:

Dean,

It looks convincing to me. Nicely done. 
BTW...what is the source of loco #5?

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


Re: Ash pit at Johnson City

Mark Lewis
 

Dean,

It looks convincing to me. Nicely done. 
BTW...what is the source of loco #5?

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


Re: Ash pit at Johnson City

William Uffelman
 

Looks good.

Bill Uffelman 


On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 3:36 PM, Dean Smith
<smithfive@...> wrote:
Engine 5 prepares to drop her ashes after a hard day's work. Since I know of no photos or even of a good description of the ash facilities on the ET, I decided to freelance this scene. The water column is next. Someday, I'll even add ballast.


Ash pit at Johnson City

Dean Smith
 

Engine 5 prepares to drop her ashes after a hard day's work. Since I know of no photos or even of a good description of the ash facilities on the ET, I decided to freelance this scene. The water column is next. Someday, I'll even add ballast.


Re: Hon3 Annual 2020

Mark Lewis
 

Bill,
Thanks for the update.
I just ordered my copy.

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 6:55 PM Bill Miller via groups.io <ebteng18=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
George was correct the 2020 HOn3 annual is on the White River Productions web-site before 10-15-2020. I just placed my order a few minutes ago. $22.00 and free shipping.

Bill Miller


Hon3 Annual 2020

Bill Miller
 

George was correct the 2020 HOn3 annual is on the White River Productions web-site before 10-15-2020. I just placed my order a few minutes ago. $22.00 and free shipping.

Bill Miller

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