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Re: Foam core mockup for the depot at Linville on the Ea

William Uffelman
 

Good stuff Dr. Tom!

Bill Uffelman 


On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 8:35 PM, Tom Grabenstein
<tomgmd@...> wrote:


Ever since I've been a model railroader I have read about foam core mockups for scratch built models. Despite being in the hobby some 40 years this was the first time I have actually done this. What I had read was this is a good way to see if structures actually would fit the model railroad. And in O scale this is extremely important as the buildings and structures can be overwhelming.

So here is a foamcore mockup of the depot at Linnville on the ET and WNC railroad. I am getting closer to the look in the old prototype picture.







What I found was that the roof overhangs fouled locomotives on the track behind the station. I'm actually fudging history a bit as there was no track behind the station and only a dirt road. But I wanted a team track and it was on Ian Rice’s track plan as well. So I had to trim the roof overhang in the back so as not to decapitate the engineer on Number 12.





I lucked up as this is the only adjustment I had to make to fit the depot in between 2 railroad tracks. For sure clearance is tight but it looks like everything is coming together.





Next up will be a mock up of the hip roof. And then it's on to purchasing styrene and castings to build this nifty little depot.

Thank you for looking. Doc Tom


Foam core mockup for the depot at Linville on the East Tennessee and Western North Carolina Railroad.

Tom Grabenstein
 



Ever since I've been a model railroader I have read about foam core mockups for scratch built models. Despite being in the hobby some 40 years this was the first time I have actually done this. What I had read was this is a good way to see if structures actually would fit the model railroad. And in O scale this is extremely important as the buildings and structures can be overwhelming.

So here is a foamcore mockup of the depot at Linnville on the ET and WNC railroad. I am getting closer to the look in the old prototype picture.







What I found was that the roof overhangs fouled locomotives on the track behind the station. I'm actually fudging history a bit as there was no track behind the station and only a dirt road. But I wanted a team track and it was on Ian Rice’s track plan as well. So I had to trim the roof overhang in the back so as not to decapitate the engineer on Number 12.





I lucked up as this is the only adjustment I had to make to fit the depot in between 2 railroad tracks. For sure clearance is tight but it looks like everything is coming together.





Next up will be a mock up of the hip roof. And then it's on to purchasing styrene and castings to build this nifty little depot.

Thank you for looking. Doc Tom


Re: Narrow Gauge calendar from White River

Tom Grabenstein
 

Congratulations Lee! What a nice honor. Dr. Tom

On Jan 9, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...> wrote:

Thanks, guys.
My first reaction (after the surprise) was, "Well, the Johnson City guys know of my work now"
My wife's reaction was, "Why isn't there a check in that box?" I had to explain that this was a photo I'd already sold them, for an article in the 2018 On30 annual, and she then understood they had the rights to it.
The funny thing was this morning, I took one to work and tacked it on my wall and immediately, someone came by and asked who would buy a calendar like that. I flipped it to my photo, pointed out my name and smugly said, "I don't pay for stuff my work is in."
His jaw hit the floor with a very loud thud!


Re: Narrow Gauge calendar from White River

Lee Bishop
 

Thanks, guys.
My first reaction (after the surprise) was, "Well, the Johnson City guys know of my work now"
My wife's reaction was, "Why isn't there a check in that box?" I had to explain that this was a photo I'd already sold them, for an article in the 2018 On30 annual, and she then understood they had the rights to it.
The funny thing was this morning, I took one to work and tacked it on my wall and immediately, someone came by and asked who would buy a calendar like that. I flipped it to my photo, pointed out my name and smugly said, "I don't pay for stuff my work is in."
His jaw hit the floor with a very loud thud!


Re: Narrow Gauge calendar from White River

Mark Lewis
 

Lee:

A well deserved honor!

Mark Lewis
narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:55 AM Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...> wrote:
Last night when I checked the mail, I was very surprised to have a thick mailer from White River Publications, with whom I've bene published on a couple of their magazines in the past.
Thinking it was a mistake after seeing the "Author copies" stamp (I shrugged and thought, "well, at least it'll be something to read", I opened it and found that a photo of my layout made their narrow gauge modelling calendar for 2020!
I was honored to have the month right after an excellent photo of the HOn3 layout at Johnson City. Consecutive ET&WNC shots!
https://shop.whiteriverproductions.com/products/ngc20
I'd had NO idea this was going to happen.


Re: Narrow Gauge calendar from White River

William Uffelman
 

Congratulations.

Bill Uffelman


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:55 AM, Lee Bishop
<leebishop1944@...> wrote:
Last night when I checked the mail, I was very surprised to have a thick mailer from White River Publications, with whom I've bene published on a couple of their magazines in the past.
Thinking it was a mistake after seeing the "Author copies" stamp (I shrugged and thought, "well, at least it'll be something to read", I opened it and found that a photo of my layout made their narrow gauge modelling calendar for 2020!
I was honored to have the month right after an excellent photo of the HOn3 layout at Johnson City. Consecutive ET&WNC shots!
https://shop.whiteriverproductions.com/products/ngc20
I'd had NO idea this was going to happen.


Narrow Gauge calendar from White River

Lee Bishop
 

Last night when I checked the mail, I was very surprised to have a thick mailer from White River Publications, with whom I've bene published on a couple of their magazines in the past.
Thinking it was a mistake after seeing the "Author copies" stamp (I shrugged and thought, "well, at least it'll be something to read", I opened it and found that a photo of my layout made their narrow gauge modelling calendar for 2020!
I was honored to have the month right after an excellent photo of the HOn3 layout at Johnson City. Consecutive ET&WNC shots!
https://shop.whiteriverproductions.com/products/ngc20
I'd had NO idea this was going to happen.


Re: The New Tank at Linville. On the ET &WNC R.R.

Mark Lewis
 

Nicely done,  Dr. Tom!

Mark Lewis 

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020, 12:46 PM William Uffelman via Groups.Io <ufffam=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Looking better all the time!

Bill Uffelman 


On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 12:11 PM, Brian Kopp
<kc5lpa1@...> wrote:

That's a beauty Tom!

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: The New Tank at Linville. On the ET &WNC R.R.

William Uffelman
 

Looking better all the time!

Bill Uffelman 


On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 12:11 PM, Brian Kopp
<kc5lpa1@...> wrote:

That's a beauty Tom!

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: The New Tank at Linville. On the ET &WNC R.R.

Brian Kopp
 

That's a beauty Tom!

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


The New Tank at Linville. On the ET &WNC R.R.

Tom Grabenstein
 

The New Tank at Linville.

Dewey and Raylan inspect the new water tank at the Linville Depot site on the ET &WNC R.R.. Well its not leaking and holds water well.








Number 11 will get a drink soon……when these guys quit mugging for the camera.




These overall shots show the empty lot where the Linville Depot will go and there is a definite need to plant trees to get ……..








to this look that I am trying to achieve.



Thanks for looking. Doc Tom


Re: WAS: [ETWNC] Cranberry Depot by CCK NOW O scale Models

Mark Lewis
 

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 6:52 PM Bill Miller via Groups.Io <ebteng18=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
John Waite modeled the ET&WNC in Sn3.  John is no longer with us. There are four others who I know of or I have met. A short run of Boone Depot kits in S scale was done by Chris Jesse. To date no O scale kits other than the Deerfield Laser kits to retro fit the Bachmann On30 cars.  and a custom run of Hopper cars by another company. Western-Rails.com who 3-D prints body's for ET&WNC rolling stock in Nn3 and HOn3 is limited at this point to what will fit on a 7x7x7 print table. That could change by this summer with the purchase of a printer that can handle larger models. Under stand that an O scale car is longer , wider and taller using much more material and time on the printer than a HO scale size model and will cost 2 1/2 times or more as much.

Bill Miller


-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...>
To: ETWNC <ETWNC@groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2020 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] Cranberry Depot by CCK

Really, can anyone explain this to me? When I was building my layout, I wanted to build a Hampton covered bridge to cover the end of the 'staging' portion to hide the track just ends there. Turns out I didn't have room for it anyway, but someone makes it in S scale. Really? Does anyone model the ET&WNC in S scale?
Western Rails makes some excellent stuff, things I would for sure buy, but very little of it in O.
I can't think of a single ET&WNC structure kit made in O scale, either. Heck, if someone did a Bemberg depot kit in O, even though I have no room for one (and my layout theme wouldn't allow for it), I'd have to buy and build it just because!


WAS: [ETWNC] Cranberry Depot by CCK NOW O scale Models

Bill Miller
 

John Waite modeled the ET&WNC in Sn3.  John is no longer with us. There are four others who I know of or I have met. A short run of Boone Depot kits in S scale was done by Chris Jesse. To date no O scale kits other than the Deerfield Laser kits to retro fit the Bachmann On30 cars.  and a custom run of Hopper cars by another company. Western-Rails.com who 3-D prints body's for ET&WNC rolling stock in Nn3 and HOn3 is limited at this point to what will fit on a 7x7x7 print table. That could change by this summer with the purchase of a printer that can handle larger models. Under stand that an O scale car is longer , wider and taller using much more material and time on the printer than a HO scale size model and will cost 2 1/2 times or more as much.

Bill Miller


-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Bishop <leebishop1944@...>
To: ETWNC <ETWNC@groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2020 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] Cranberry Depot by CCK

Really, can anyone explain this to me? When I was building my layout, I wanted to build a Hampton covered bridge to cover the end of the 'staging' portion to hide the track just ends there. Turns out I didn't have room for it anyway, but someone makes it in S scale. Really? Does anyone model the ET&WNC in S scale?
Western Rails makes some excellent stuff, things I would for sure buy, but very little of it in O.
I can't think of a single ET&WNC structure kit made in O scale, either. Heck, if someone did a Bemberg depot kit in O, even though I have no room for one (and my layout theme wouldn't allow for it), I'd have to buy and build it just because!


Re: Now: Modeling in Sn3

Tuhr
 

I believe John Waite and I were the only two actively modeling the ET&WNC in Sn3....we were able to convince a few manufactures to make limited run items in addition to the excellent Railmaster loco kits. BTS did the thru covered bridge and we had a custom run of hoppers done in resin.  Most everything else we needed/wanted except the ten wheelers is available by modifying items already on the market.

My modeling is currently on hold as have moved to Sydney Australia for the next couple of years. (New job and adventure).  Upon our return I hope to restart my efforts.

Take care all.

 


From: etwnc@groups.io on behalf of William Uffelman via Groups.Io <ufffam@...>
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 10:12 AM
To: etwnc@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] Cranberry Depot by CCK
 
Tuhr Barnes is/was modeling Tweetsie in Sn3. Had a layout under construction using foam for most of the structure. There are Sn3 loco kits that are useful for Tweetsie.

All that said with Bachmann's 4-6-0 and components for converting bachmann passenger cars there should not be an issue in building On3/30 layouts- just saying! Create the demand for 1/48 structures.

Bill Uffelman


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 6:01 PM, Lee Bishop
<leebishop1944@...> wrote:
Really, can anyone explain this to me? When I was building my layout, I wanted to build a Hampton covered bridge to cover the end of the 'staging' portion to hide the track just ends there. Turns out I didn't have room for it anyway, but someone makes it in S scale. Really? Does anyone model the ET&WNC in S scale?
Western Rails makes some excellent stuff, things I would for sure buy, but very little of it in O.
I can't think of a single ET&WNC structure kit made in O scale, either. Heck, if someone did a Bemberg depot kit in O, even though I have no room for one (and my layout theme wouldn't allow for it), I'd have to buy and build it just because!


Re: Cranberry Depot by CCK

William Uffelman
 

Today with all the "printed paper" modeling, structures are just a drawing and inkjet printer away.

Trucks for Tweetsie freight cars are available and Grandt parts are returning to the market.

Dr Tom's On30 Tweetsie shelf layout inspired by Iain Rice shows what can be done in a modest sized spare room as is a certain Tweetsie layout in the state of Washington.

"Just do it" applies here I think.

Bill Uffelman


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 6:17 PM, Mark Lewis
<narrowrails12@...> wrote:
Bill:

It is a "Catch 22" situation.  Modelers are reluctant to model a prototype that has little to no support from the kit manufacturer's, regardless of scale, and the manufacturer's are reluctant to design/produce kits and parts for prototypes that no modelers are modeling.

Mark Lewis

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 6:12 PM William Uffelman via Groups.Io <ufffam=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Tuhr Barnes is/was modeling Tweetsie in Sn3. Had a layout under construction using foam for most of the structure. There are Sn3 loco kits that are useful for Tweetsie.

All that said with Bachmann's 4-6-0 and components for converting bachmann passenger cars there should not be an issue in building On3/30 layouts- just saying! Create the demand for 1/48 structures.

Bill Uffelman


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 6:01 PM, Lee Bishop
Really, can anyone explain this to me? When I was building my layout, I wanted to build a Hampton covered bridge to cover the end of the 'staging' portion to hide the track just ends there. Turns out I didn't have room for it anyway, but someone makes it in S scale. Really? Does anyone model the ET&WNC in S scale?
Western Rails makes some excellent stuff, things I would for sure buy, but very little of it in O.
I can't think of a single ET&WNC structure kit made in O scale, either. Heck, if someone did a Bemberg depot kit in O, even though I have no room for one (and my layout theme wouldn't allow for it), I'd have to buy and build it just because!


Re: Cranberry Depot by CCK

Mark Lewis
 

Bill:

It is a "Catch 22" situation.  Modelers are reluctant to model a prototype that has little to no support from the kit manufacturer's, regardless of scale, and the manufacturer's are reluctant to design/produce kits and parts for prototypes that no modelers are modeling.

Mark Lewis


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 6:12 PM William Uffelman via Groups.Io <ufffam=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Tuhr Barnes is/was modeling Tweetsie in Sn3. Had a layout under construction using foam for most of the structure. There are Sn3 loco kits that are useful for Tweetsie.

All that said with Bachmann's 4-6-0 and components for converting bachmann passenger cars there should not be an issue in building On3/30 layouts- just saying! Create the demand for 1/48 structures.

Bill Uffelman


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 6:01 PM, Lee Bishop
Really, can anyone explain this to me? When I was building my layout, I wanted to build a Hampton covered bridge to cover the end of the 'staging' portion to hide the track just ends there. Turns out I didn't have room for it anyway, but someone makes it in S scale. Really? Does anyone model the ET&WNC in S scale?
Western Rails makes some excellent stuff, things I would for sure buy, but very little of it in O.
I can't think of a single ET&WNC structure kit made in O scale, either. Heck, if someone did a Bemberg depot kit in O, even though I have no room for one (and my layout theme wouldn't allow for it), I'd have to buy and build it just because!


Re: Cranberry Depot by CCK

William Uffelman
 

Tuhr Barnes is/was modeling Tweetsie in Sn3. Had a layout under construction using foam for most of the structure. There are Sn3 loco kits that are useful for Tweetsie.

All that said with Bachmann's 4-6-0 and components for converting bachmann passenger cars there should not be an issue in building On3/30 layouts- just saying! Create the demand for 1/48 structures.

Bill Uffelman


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 6:01 PM, Lee Bishop
<leebishop1944@...> wrote:
Really, can anyone explain this to me? When I was building my layout, I wanted to build a Hampton covered bridge to cover the end of the 'staging' portion to hide the track just ends there. Turns out I didn't have room for it anyway, but someone makes it in S scale. Really? Does anyone model the ET&WNC in S scale?
Western Rails makes some excellent stuff, things I would for sure buy, but very little of it in O.
I can't think of a single ET&WNC structure kit made in O scale, either. Heck, if someone did a Bemberg depot kit in O, even though I have no room for one (and my layout theme wouldn't allow for it), I'd have to buy and build it just because!


Re: Cranberry Depot by CCK

Lee Bishop
 

Really, can anyone explain this to me? When I was building my layout, I wanted to build a Hampton covered bridge to cover the end of the 'staging' portion to hide the track just ends there. Turns out I didn't have room for it anyway, but someone makes it in S scale. Really? Does anyone model the ET&WNC in S scale?
Western Rails makes some excellent stuff, things I would for sure buy, but very little of it in O.
I can't think of a single ET&WNC structure kit made in O scale, either. Heck, if someone did a Bemberg depot kit in O, even though I have no room for one (and my layout theme wouldn't allow for it), I'd have to buy and build it just because!


Re: WAS: Cranberry Depot by CCK now COACHES

Bill Miller
 

At the present, the end handrails will have to be made up of Details Associates (229-2504) 0.012 wire.  David is/was working on a wire bending jig.

Truss Rods and turnbuckles can also be made from the 0.012 wire and Tichy Train group turnbuckles, you will need a #77 drill bit to core the turnbuckles for the 0.012 wire.  Finding Grandt Line  HOn3 coach seats may be a problem with the closing and sale of Grandt Line to San Juan. Most of the other details are part of the PRINT. Painting the inside of the car is all about your painting skills. (See attached picture) Tru-Color Pullman green for the car body. 709-54.  As I have not received the first production model yet,  I am not sure of any other items that will be required to finish the models .https://western-rails.com/

Bill Miller


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Ford <chris@...>
To: ETWNC <ETWNC@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2020 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] WAS: Cranberry Depot by CCK

Bill, I’m getting 3 of these ET&WNC cars. What’s a good source for the end railing, truss rods and other detailing that would be needed? Any advice? These should make nice cars!

Chris Ford
President - ET&WNC Railroad Historical Society
www.etwncrrhs.org
chris@...
901-497-0809
www.cfordart.com

On Dec 31, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Bill Miller via Groups.Io <ebteng18@...> wrote:


Waiting for the announcement to be made that it is available for ordering.

 Bill Miller


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Ford <chris@...>
To: ETWNC <ETWNC@groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 31, 2019 7:36 pm
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] WAS: Cranberry Depot by CCK

Tell us some details, Bill!

Inquiring minds want to know!  :)




Chris
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Chris Ford
President - ET&WNC Railroad Historical Society
www.etwncrrhs.org
chris@...
901-497-0809
------------------------
www.cfordart.com

On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 21:41:59 +0000 (UTC), "Bill Miller via Groups.Io" <ebteng18@...> wrote:
 

How about that!.............Coming soon.
 
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Subject: [ETWNC] Cranberry Depot by CCK
 


Re: WAS: Cranberry Depot by CCK

Chris Ford
 

Bill, I’m getting 3 of these ET&WNC cars. What’s a good source for the end railing, truss rods and other detailing that would be needed? Any advice? These should make nice cars!

Chris Ford
President - ET&WNC Railroad Historical Society
www.etwncrrhs.org
chris@...
901-497-0809
www.cfordart.com

On Dec 31, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Bill Miller via Groups.Io <ebteng18@...> wrote:


Waiting for the announcement to be made that it is available for ordering.

 Bill Miller


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Ford <chris@...>
To: ETWNC <ETWNC@groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 31, 2019 7:36 pm
Subject: Re: [ETWNC] WAS: Cranberry Depot by CCK

Tell us some details, Bill!

Inquiring minds want to know!  :)




Chris
------------------------
Chris Ford
President - ET&WNC Railroad Historical Society
www.etwncrrhs.org
chris@...
901-497-0809
------------------------
www.cfordart.com

On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 21:41:59 +0000 (UTC), "Bill Miller via Groups.Io" <ebteng18@...> wrote:
 

How about that!.............Coming soon.
 
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