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More progress on the On30 Homage to the ET& WNC RR from Doc Tom

Tom Grabenstein
 

I am going to be traveling for the next couple of weeks on a late summer vacation, so I thought I better wrap up the construction of the base of the shelf layout for the Blue Ridge Stemwinder. Time also to give you guys a break for a while from studying Blue Styrofoam.

When I was an HO modeler I learned the joys of L girder construction in making a strong support for my model RR empire. I found in my experimentation on the On30 mini layouts that the L girder construction using aluminum L girders could give the foam boards tremendous strength also.



What I do is attach them along the edges of the blue foam board using Liquid Nails Construction Adhesive for Projects. This is a strong adhesive that is compatible with Styrofoam. I temporarily screw the channels in place but have found that once the glue dries the screws can be removed and a strong bond has been achieved.





This layout design element ( LDE) that I am calling Linville Depot is 11 feet and a half inch long. Once all the channel is in place the entire LDE can be picked up and turned up on its side easily to allow access to the undersurface for wiring etc. It is then placed back on the wire shelving and snuggles right into place.







Now I have an expanse flat blue terrain to begin some modeling on.






One of the things I've always wanted to do was to blow up a neat track plan to full scale and use it to establish track lines and changes in topography. On this project I thought I would give a local printer the chance to blow up the Iain Rice’s track plan for the Linville LDE. The image is quite pixelated but I can readily see where the track lines are supposed to go. I also found that Iain’s track plan is 1 foot and a half inch shorter than the width of my Railroad room. You can see where I split the plan to allow for a longer mainline run.





So now the passenger cars have a place to show up at Linville Depot.



I'll be back at it in two or three weeks and hope to show some more progress.

Thanks for looking. Doc Tom

Re: More progress on the On30 Homage to the ET& WNC RR f

William Uffelman
 

Enjoy your vacation. Looking forward to more RR updates.

Bill Uffelman


On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 7:02 PM, Tom Grabenstein
<tomgmd@...> wrote:
I am going to be traveling for the next couple of weeks on a late summer vacation, so I thought I better wrap up the construction of the base of the shelf layout for the Blue Ridge Stemwinder. Time also to give you guys a break for a while from studying Blue Styrofoam.

When I was an HO modeler I learned the joys of L girder construction in making a strong support for my model RR empire. I found in my experimentation on the On30 mini layouts that the L girder construction using aluminum L girders could give the foam boards tremendous strength also.



What I do is attach them along the edges of the blue foam board using Liquid Nails Construction Adhesive for Projects. This is a strong adhesive that is compatible with Styrofoam. I temporarily screw the channels in place but have found that once the glue dries the screws can be removed and a strong bond has been achieved.





This layout design element ( LDE) that I am calling Linville Depot is 11 feet and a half inch long. Once all the channel is in place the entire LDE can be picked up and turned up on its side easily to allow access to the undersurface for wiring etc. It is then placed back on the wire shelving and snuggles right into place.







Now I have an expanse flat blue terrain to begin some modeling on.






One of the things I've always wanted to do was to blow up a neat track plan to full scale and use it to establish track lines and changes in topography. On this project I thought I would give a local printer the chance to blow up the Iain Rice’s track plan for the Linville LDE. The image is quite pixelated but I can readily see where the track lines are supposed to go. I also found that Iain’s track plan is 1 foot and a half inch shorter than the width of my Railroad room. You can see where I split the plan to allow for a longer mainline run.





So now the passenger cars have a place to show up at Linville Depot.



I'll be back at it in two or three weeks and hope to show some more progress.

Thanks for looking. Doc Tom

Every Time With No Complaint Vol 11

matt bumgarner
 

The society’s magazine “Every Time with No Complaint” was sent to the printer today, and it is a WHOPPER, coming in at just under 100 pages (not a typo).
 
In my decade-plus of laying out the magazine, I have never made a comment on any issue. However, this is a special issue. Information-wise, it is one of the most significant magazines ever published for the society.
 
It is not so much train or even railroad-centric, but focuses on the ET&WNC Transportation Company. Johnny Graybeal, always a great researcher, has really outdone himself and has put together a cornerstone text and narrative in the history of this railroad. Seriously, it will be a reference for years to come.
 
I am not going to give much away, but Johnny does one heckuva job weaving the the history of the decline of passenger service; the rise of bus, truck, and road competition; how the railroad responded with the Jitney, with TOFC and ultimately the truck/bus company, even weaving in how the motorcars came about. 
 
We hope you like the issue as much we did putting it together.
 
Matt Bumgarner

Re: Every Time With No Complaint Vol 11

Chris Ford
 

Thanks for the update Matt.

We're looking forward to this latest issue....sounds like a great one!




Chris

 
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Chris Ford
President - ET&WNC Railroad Historical Society
www.etwncrrhs.org
chris@...
901-497-0809
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www.cfordart.com

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 22:06:53 -0400, "matt bumgarner" <matt@...> wrote:
 
The society’s magazine “Every Time with No Complaint” was sent to the printer today, and it is a WHOPPER, coming in at just under 100 pages (not a typo).
 
In my decade-plus of laying out the magazine, I have never made a comment on any issue. However, this is a special issue. Information-wise, it is one of the most significant magazines ever published for the society.
 
It is not so much train or even railroad-centric, but focuses on the ET&WNC Transportation Company. Johnny Graybeal, always a great researcher, has really outdone himself and has put together a cornerstone text and narrative in the history of this railroad. Seriously, it will be a reference for years to come.
 
I am not going to give much away, but Johnny does one heckuva job weaving the the history of the decline of passenger service; the rise of bus, truck, and road competition; how the railroad responded with the Jitney, with TOFC and ultimately the truck/bus company, even weaving in how the motorcars came about. 
 
We hope you like the issue as much we did putting it together.
 
Matt Bumgarner
 
 

Taplines CD?

Lee Bishop
 

Https://www.ebay.com/itm/EAST-TENNESSEE-WESTERN-NORTH-CAROLINA-RR-HISTORICAL-RESEARCH-SCANNED-TO-CD-/323909013970
I ordered one of these, should be here this coming week. It makes sense, as otherwise you have to track down these publications just for this info.
Anyone here have one already?
Lee Bishop

Re: Taplines CD?

Lee Bishop
 

I got mine in the mail yesterday and it has several scans of various publications where the ET&WNC is mentioned. There's also a few fan-crated (?) images of rosters and such and I think one has some bad info on the last 2-8-0s the RR had. Still, there's a lot of interesting stuff and buying the original publications would be very expensive.
There are also a couple of really good maps in there I've never seen before.
I don't think it's a 'gotta have' for all of us, but it was worth the cost, to me.

More work on the Linville layout design element(LDE)

Tom Grabenstein
 



I've had a little more time to work on the Linnville LD E.

This is what I'm shooting for in the next few months:







I placed the 1:1 track plan on the blue foam shelf layout. I used the turnout templates from PECO and pushpins to trace out the track lines.



I then connected all the little dots with a sharpie pen and then had an outline of the track and turnouts.



I also used the same technique to map out the roads and geographic outlines of hills and railroad crossings.



It looks like the On30 models of ET&WNC narrow gauge rolling stock will fit nicely.







Next I cut out Blue foam forms for the foothills that surrounded the Linville Depot. They are stacked like wedding cake and will receive carving of rocks and sculptamold ground covering soon.



You can get a good idea of how the nearby logging lines will connect to the Linnville LDE.



Thanks for looking. All ideas, critiques and input greatly appreciated. Dr. Tom

Re: More work on the Linville layout design element(LDE)

Mark Lewis
 

Tom:

Wow...your progress and thoroughness is amazing. Looking forward to more updates.

Mark Lewis
narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 9:44 PM Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:


I've had a little more time to work on the Linnville LD E.

This is what I'm shooting for in the next few months:







I placed the 1:1 track plan on the blue foam shelf layout. I used the turnout templates from PECO and pushpins to trace out the track lines.



I then connected all the little dots with a sharpie pen and then had an outline of the track and turnouts.



I also used the same technique to map out the roads and geographic outlines of hills and railroad crossings.



It looks like the On30 models of ET&WNC narrow gauge rolling stock will fit nicely.







Next I cut out Blue foam forms for the foothills that surrounded the Linville Depot. They are stacked like wedding cake and will receive carving of rocks and sculptamold ground covering soon.



You can get a good idea of how the nearby logging lines will connect to the Linnville LDE.



Thanks for looking. All ideas, critiques and input greatly appreciated. Dr. Tom

Re: More work on the Linville layout design element(LDE)

Bill Miller
 

Look at the track in front of the water tank in the second picture and you will see a switch that goes off to the right. This is the railroad west switch for a 2,215 foot long passing siding ( It is on the 1916 valuation maps)

 Bill Miller.




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Subject: [ETWNC] More work on the Linville layout design element(LDE)



I've had a little more time to work on the Linnville LD E.

This is what I'm shooting for in the next few months:







I placed the 1:1 track plan on the blue foam shelf layout. I used the turnout templates from PECO and pushpins to trace out the track lines.



I then connected all the little dots with a sharpie pen and then had an outline of the track and turnouts.



I also used the same technique to map out the roads and geographic outlines of hills and railroad crossings.



It looks like the On30 models of ET&WNC narrow gauge rolling stock will fit nicely.







Next I cut out Blue foam forms for the foothills that surrounded the Linville Depot. They are stacked like wedding cake and will receive carving of rocks and sculptamold ground covering soon.



You can get a good idea of how the nearby logging lines will connect to the Linnville LDE.



Thanks for looking. All ideas, critiques and input greatly appreciated. Dr. Tom

Re: More work on the Linville layout design element(LDE)

Tom Grabenstein
 

Hello Bill,


I too have studied photograph number two and noticed  the switch and wondered where it went. You are giving me valuable information. I wondered if you could post a copy of that 1916 valuation map? I've looked all over the Internet to find the track plan for Linville Depot with no luck.


I also wondered what the little shed was used for? It looks like it had frequent visitors as there is a crude wooden grade crossing in front of it. Could this have been an outhouse?  Was it for track maintenance storage?


I will be modeling both the water tank and the shed in addition to the depot and any information you or others may have rather is greatly appreciated. 


Also roadways leading to the hotel and “to town” ……..any info available?


Thanks in advance.


Dr Tom

Re: More work on the Linville layout design element(LDE)

Chris Ford
 

Tom and all,

I'll post a link to the 3-2 1990 Issue of the Stemwinder where John and I had a few photos of Linville and a map (early map for me) of the Linville track plan. Since that map did not show the part of town where the Eseeola is located, I'll post a cropped piece of my wall map that shows the hotel and roads around that area. You should be able to download and enlarge this PDF as much as you want to see detail. You'll be able to see how you would have gotten to the Hotel from where the Depot was originally located. It wasn't close

The gray dashed line road just east of the depot was the original road with a nice cast concrete bridge (of which there are still some remains in place) that would be a nice addition to a layout for anyone who would model the river. That part of the road was bypassed somewhere around 1970 when the state widened and straightened that part of 181, necessitating the demolition or moving of the Depot (a store converted to a home at the time). Luckily of us the home was moved to Grape Street and lived in for many years. Long story short, though the efforts of many people and the Society it ended up restored back to its Depot glory days and now resides next to the courthouse in Newland.

That shed, for what I know about it, was a RR storage shed very likely for a speeder as it had wood "flooring" from the shed over to the track to facilitate hauling something out of the shed to the track.

Have fun!

http://www.cfordart.com/3-2Stemwinder1990.pdf

http://www.cfordart.com/linvillecroppedmap.pdf



Chris
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Chris Ford
President - ET&WNC Railroad Historical Society
www.etwncrrhs.org
chris@...
901-497-0809
------------------------
www.cfordart.com

On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 09:09:38 -0500, "Tom Grabenstein" <tomgmd@...> wrote:
 

Hello Bill,

 

I too have studied photograph number two and noticed  the switch and wondered where it went. You are giving me valuable information. I wondered if you could post a copy of that 1916 valuation map? I've looked all over the Internet to find the track plan for Linville Depot with no luck.

 

I also wondered what the little shed was used for? It looks like it had frequent visitors as there is a crude wooden grade crossing in front of it. Could this have been an outhouse?  Was it for track maintenance storage?

 

I will be modeling both the water tank and the shed in addition to the depot and any information you or others may have rather is greatly appreciated. 

 

Also roadways leading to the hotel and “to town” ……..any info available?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Dr Tom

Re: More work on the Linville layout design element(LDE)

Tom Grabenstein
 

Chris,

This is a big big help! The article and track plans are great!! 

Also, thank you for your input regarding the small shed. I will try to model a small speeder in O scale to fit inside and be taken out from time to time.

I had read somewhere that it  was intentional to put this depot in an isolated area to give the travelers and tourists the sensation of arriving in a totally natural setting and then having the short drive over to the Lodge. Might also have helped local businesses provide transportation services to and from the lodge.

As I scratchbuild the depot I will need to take a look at the original one over in Newland. 

Thanks again for all your help on this project.

Dr Tom


On Oct 5, 2019, at 11:05 AM, Chris Ford <chris@...> wrote:

Tom and all,

I'll post a link to the 3-2 1990 Issue of the Stemwinder where John and I had a few photos of Linville and a map (early map for me) of the Linville track plan. Since that map did not show the part of town where the Eseeola is located, I'll post a cropped piece of my wall map that shows the hotel and roads around that area. You should be able to download and enlarge this PDF as much as you want to see detail. You'll be able to see how you would have gotten to the Hotel from where the Depot was originally located. It wasn't close

The gray dashed line road just east of the depot was the original road with a nice cast concrete bridge (of which there are still some remains in place) that would be a nice addition to a layout for anyone who would model the river. That part of the road was bypassed somewhere around 1970 when the state widened and straightened that part of 181, necessitating the demolition or moving of the Depot (a store converted to a home at the time). Luckily of us the home was moved to Grape Street and lived in for many years. Long story short, though the efforts of many people and the Society it ended up restored back to its Depot glory days and now resides next to the courthouse in Newland.

That shed, for what I know about it, was a RR storage shed very likely for a speeder as it had wood "flooring" from the shed over to the track to facilitate hauling something out of the shed to the track.

Have fun!

http://www.cfordart.com/3-2Stemwinder1990.pdf

http://www.cfordart.com/linvillecroppedmap.pdf



Chris
------------------------
Chris Ford
President - ET&WNC Railroad Historical Society
www.etwncrrhs.org
chris@...
901-497-0809
------------------------
www.cfordart.com

On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 09:09:38 -0500, "Tom Grabenstein" <tomgmd@...> wrote:
 
Hello Bill,

 

I too have studied photograph number two and noticed  the switch and wondered where it went. You are giving me valuable information. I wondered if you could post a copy of that 1916 valuation map? I've looked all over the Internet to find the track plan for Linville Depot with no luck.

 

I also wondered what the little shed was used for? It looks like it had frequent visitors as there is a crude wooden grade crossing in front of it. Could this have been an outhouse?  Was it for track maintenance storage?

 

I will be modeling both the water tank and the shed in addition to the depot and any information you or others may have rather is greatly appreciated. 

 

Also roadways leading to the hotel and “to town” ……..any info available?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Dr Tom

More work on the On30 ET&WNC layout. The Linville LDE

Tom Grabenstein
 

BLUE FOAM TAKES ON SOME COLORS AND TEXTURE.

On my On30 logging mini layout I used Blue Foam landforms in anticipation of this layout depicting the ET &WNC.



Even learned to carve the foam to look like rock strata by using the edge of a whirling dremel rotary sander.



So it was time to put those experiences to work on this latest project.

First the profiles of the mountains and hills on the Linville LDE were smoothed out using a Surefoam tool.



Rock was carved using the trusty Dremel. The first layers of forest ground cover were made up using latex paints and a variety of ground foams.







Unlike the logger mini, set in wintertime, this mountain RR is set in glorious summer in the Blue Ridge. Next up will be the greens of ground cover and then the trees.

Thanks for looking.

Doc Tom

Re: More work on the On30 ET&WNC layout. The Linville LD

William Uffelman
 

Looking good sir.

Bill Uffelman 


On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:44 PM, Tom Grabenstein
<tomgmd@...> wrote:
BLUE FOAM TAKES ON SOME COLORS AND TEXTURE.

On my On30 logging mini layout I used Blue Foam landforms in anticipation of this layout depicting the ET &WNC.



Even learned to carve the foam to look like rock strata by using the edge of a whirling dremel rotary sander.



So it was time to put those experiences to work on this latest project.

First the profiles of the mountains and hills on the Linville LDE were smoothed out using a Surefoam tool.



Rock was carved using the trusty Dremel. The first layers of forest ground cover were made up using latex paints and a variety of ground foams.







Unlike the logger mini, set in wintertime, this mountain RR is set in glorious summer in the Blue Ridge. Next up will be the greens of ground cover and then the trees.

Thanks for looking.

Doc Tom

Newest issue of Every Time With No Complaint

johnny graybeal
 

Just a quick note to say the latest issue of ETWNC went out from the printer nearly a week ago. Unfortunately, when I got my extra copies there was an issue with the roster that is in the back of the issue. The printer is going to print the roster with the problem resolved and mail the new roster out to everyone this tuesday. So you should receive an issue and a few days later receive an addendum to go with it. 
I think everyone will love this issue, as it covers tons of new ground on our favorite railroad and  its affiliated companies.
Johnny Graybeal

Beware Catalina

Curtis Brookshire
 

I'm posting this across some different groups. Apple recently announced a new operating system named Catalina. I found out from a friend in Virginia who posts photos to his website that Catalina only supports 64 bit programs/files. 32 bit programs will not run on this OS. If you're an Apple user (Mac, MacBook, MacBook Pro etc.) you might want to determine what your content is before deciding whether to upgrade. If you have the Gazette collection DVD, it's 32 bit and won't run on Catalina.

Curtis Brookshire
Pine Level NC

Re: Newest issue of Every Time With No Complaint

Mark Lewis
 

Johnny:

I just received my copy of the latest, double copy of the "Every Time With No Complaint" magazine.

After a quick flip through, I can only say...WOW!  Great effort.

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in Stony Point, NC


On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 3:43 PM johnny graybeal <johnnyg@...> wrote:
Just a quick note to say the latest issue of ETWNC went out from the printer nearly a week ago. Unfortunately, when I got my extra copies there was an issue with the roster that is in the back of the issue. The printer is going to print the roster with the problem resolved and mail the new roster out to everyone this tuesday. So you should receive an issue and a few days later receive an addendum to go with it. 
I think everyone will love this issue, as it covers tons of new ground on our favorite railroad and  its affiliated companies.
Johnny Graybeal

Historical Society Newsletters

Chris Ford
 

All,

The October ET&WNC RR Historical Society Newsletter is in the mail, those of you who are members should receive them early next week. Thank you Curtis for all the latest Society and ET related stories! And thank you Patricia for getting them and the membership cards in the mail in such a timely manner!

Meanwhile, it looks like Johnny Graybeal's latest magazine is out and being received by folks. Thanks Johnny for a very nicely done issue!

All y'all should have plenty to read now that the weather has cooled off.

The newsletters will be posted on the Society website after a bit for those of you who do not get it. If you want to know how you can start receiving these fine publications please go to the Society website at:

http://www.etwncrrhs.org/
Enjoy your weekend!




Chris

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Chris Ford
President - ET&WNC Railroad Historical Society
www.etwncrrhs.org
chris@...
901-497-0809
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www.cfordart.com

Johnny G pls contact me off-list

Jim King
 

Johnny ... pls contact me off-list via email.  I don't have your current email addy and have a couple questions re: a project I'm working on.  Thx.
--
Jim King
http://smokymountainmodelworks.com

Original LR ticket?

Lee Bishop
 

Just got this from an ebay win, looks for sure like 1930s paper, not printed off someone's computer.
I'm curious what the rest of you think, as I've never seen one in person before...
Lee