Ken, you are a wealth of information. Mostly useful😁

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From: Ken Riddle <keriddle@...>

Date: 4/19/19 9:46 AM (GMT-05:00)

To: ETWNC@groups.io

Subject: Re: [ETWNC] A scratch built "Tweetsie" hopper car and some questions.

The lampblack was added to the linseed oil at 53 percent black and 46 percent oil with one percent Japan Drier.  That makes what is called “semi-paste”.  To paint with it it was mixed two parts semi paste to three parts boiled linseed oil.  It’s nasty stuff but it will make anything black.

Uncle Big John Lewis’ oldest boy Herbert worked in the summers for his Grandpa, William Lewis, who was B&B super.  One of his jobs every summer was painting all the water tanks.  He told me this was about like painting with asphalt!  Nasty stuff.

Herbert died a few years back and I think he was 102 years old.

On Apr 18, 2019, at 9:47 PM, Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:

Thank you Ken. This is very precise. I love all the materials from a bygone era that were used to make “the recipe.”

Doc Tom

On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ken Riddle <keriddle@...> wrote:

Lampblack, linseed oil, and japan drier was the railroad recipe.

On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:17 PM, Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:

Hello  Fellow Fans of the ETWNC,

I hope this finds you well and anticipating a joyous Easter. My model  railroad friend, Bill Nelson, and I have just completed a scratchbuilt “Tweetsie” Hopper car for my future On30 layout. Here are a few pictures of the model in primer gray.

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Well, now I have some questions for you good people. What is the prototype color of these cars in 1920 – 1923? Prototype pictures done in black-and-white appear to show a Black or very dark gray external paint job.

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What do you all think? Should the next paint be black??

As a second followup question,any ideas where to get decals for these cars in the ET&WNC livery in “O” scale?

Thank you in advance for any information you could provide. It is appreciated.

Please have a blessed and peaceful Easter!

Doc Tom

Thank you Ken. This is very precise. I love all the materials from a bygone era that were used to make “the recipe.”

Doc Tom

On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ken Riddle <keriddle@...> wrote:

Lampblack, linseed oil, and japan drier was the railroad recipe.

On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:17 PM, Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:

Hello  Fellow Fans of the ETWNC,

I hope this finds you well and anticipating a joyous Easter. My model  railroad friend, Bill Nelson, and I have just completed a scratchbuilt “Tweetsie” Hopper car for my future On30 layout. Here are a few pictures of the model in primer gray.

<fullsizeoutput_1777.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1778.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1779.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177a.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177b.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177c.jpeg>

Well, now I have some questions for you good people. What is the prototype color of these cars in 1920 – 1923? Prototype pictures done in black-and-white appear to show a Black or very dark gray external paint job.

<Hopper12End.jpeg><Hopper18l.jpg><img176.gif>

What do you all think? Should the next paint be black??

As a second followup question,any ideas where to get decals for these cars in the ET&WNC livery in “O” scale?

Thank you in advance for any information you could provide. It is appreciated.

Please have a blessed and peaceful Easter!

Doc Tom

On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ken Riddle <keriddle@...> wrote:

Lampblack, linseed oil, and japan drier was the railroad recipe.

On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:17 PM, Tom Grabenstein <tomgmd@...> wrote:

Hello  Fellow Fans of the ETWNC,

I hope this finds you well and anticipating a joyous Easter. My model  railroad friend, Bill Nelson, and I have just completed a scratchbuilt “Tweetsie” Hopper car for my future On30 layout. Here are a few pictures of the model in primer gray.

<fullsizeoutput_1777.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1778.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1779.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177a.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177b.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177c.jpeg>

Well, now I have some questions for you good people. What is the prototype color of these cars in 1920 – 1923? Prototype pictures done in black-and-white appear to show a Black or very dark gray external paint job.

<Hopper12End.jpeg><Hopper18l.jpg><img176.gif>

What do you all think? Should the next paint be black??

As a second followup question,any ideas where to get decals for these cars in the ET&WNC livery in “O” scale?

Thank you in advance for any information you could provide. It is appreciated.

Please have a blessed and peaceful Easter!

Doc Tom

Hello  Fellow Fans of the ETWNC,

I hope this finds you well and anticipating a joyous Easter. My model  railroad friend, Bill Nelson, and I have just completed a scratchbuilt “Tweetsie” Hopper car for my future On30 layout. Here are a few pictures of the model in primer gray.

<fullsizeoutput_1777.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1778.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_1779.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177a.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177b.jpeg><fullsizeoutput_177c.jpeg>

Well, now I have some questions for you good people. What is the prototype color of these cars in 1920 – 1923? Prototype pictures done in black-and-white appear to show a Black or very dark gray external paint job.

<Hopper12End.jpeg><Hopper18l.jpg><img176.gif>

What do you all think? Should the next paint be black??

As a second followup question,any ideas where to get decals for these cars in the ET&WNC livery in “O” scale?

Thank you in advance for any information you could provide. It is appreciated.

Please have a blessed and peaceful Easter!

Doc Tom

Hello  Fellow Fans of the ETWNC,

I hope this finds you well and anticipating a joyous Easter. My model  railroad friend, Bill Nelson, and I have just completed a scratchbuilt “Tweetsie” Hopper car for my future On30 layout. Here are a few pictures of the model in primer gray.

Well, now I have some questions for you good people. What is the prototype color of these cars in 1920 – 1923? Prototype pictures done in black-and-white appear to show a Black or very dark gray external paint job.

What do you all think? Should the next paint be black??

As a second followup question,any ideas where to get decals for these cars in the ET&WNC livery in “O” scale?

Thank you in advance for any information you could provide. It is appreciated.

Please have a blessed and peaceful Easter!

Doc Tom

On Mar 30, 2019, at 8:20 PM, Mike West <west9628@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Go to PETCO and look for black aquarium gravel. Mix it with gray and you'll get the right colour.w
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On Sat, 3/30/19, William Uffelman via Groups.Io <ufffam=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Subject: Re: [ETWNC] A question about road bed.
To: "ETWNC@groups.io" <ETWNC@groups.io>
Date: Saturday, March 30, 2019, 6:47 PM

So .030" to
.050" in O scale.Take some calipers along.
Bill
Uffelman





On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 3:42 PM, Chris
Ford<chris@cfordart.com> wrote:

Going
out on the old ET&WNC right-of-way now you'll find
almost all mine tailings...mostly black with some very dark
gray...about 1.5 inches to 2.5 inches in size.



Mine tailings were VERY plentiful...they even used the
spoils as the aggregate in their concrete abutments and
piers. Lots of aggregate with a little mortar....much of it
still there over a hundred years later.







Chris





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Chris Ford

President - ET&WNC Railroad Historical Society

www.etwncrrhs.org

chris@cfordart.com

901-497-0809

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www.cfordart.com






On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 22:04:05 +0000 (UTC),
"William Uffelman via Groups.Io" wrote:


Check Arizona Rock and Minerals they should have
a dark gray almost black color. As to size I used an HO
ballast to get a fine look of gravel on my old On3 line.
Used N scale black as a cinder ballast.


Bill
Uffelman







On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 12:56 PM, Tom Grabenstein

<tomgmd@gmail.com> wrote:




Thank you Johnny for this very well thought out
contribution to this discussion about roadbed. Also a very
good explanation why the pictures we have show the “down
in the weeds look.”


The description of the ballast
used is also very helpful as I select ballast color.



I will proceed to elevate the
On30 track somewhat using Cork roadbed. I will also be
researching dark ballast colors to match the tailings from
the Cranberry mines.



Thank you to everyone who
responded to my request for help. It is greatly appreciated.
I will post pictures as this project moves along.



Doc Tom





My contribution to the
Clarksville Model Rail Road club.

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 3:42 PM, Chris Ford

<chris@...> wrote:

Going out on the old ET&WNC right-of-way now you'll find almost all mine tailings...mostly black with some very dark gray...about 1.5 inches to 2.5 inches in size.

Mine tailings were VERY plentiful...they even used the spoils as the aggregate in their concrete abutments and piers. Lots of aggregate with a little mortar....much of it still there over a hundred years later.



Chris
 
------------------------
Chris Ford
President - ET&WNC Railroad Historical Society
www.etwncrrhs.org
chris@...
901-497-0809
------------------------
www.cfordart.com

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 22:04:05 +0000 (UTC), "William Uffelman via Groups.Io" wrote:
 

Check Arizona Rock and Minerals they should have a dark gray almost black color. As to size I used an HO ballast to get a fine look of gravel on my old On3 line. Used N scale black as a cinder ballast.

 

Bill Uffelman
 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 12:56 PM, Tom Grabenstein

<tomgmd@...> wrote:

Thank you Johnny for this very well thought out contribution to this discussion about roadbed. Also a very good explanation why the pictures we have show the “down in the weeds look.”

 

The description of the ballast used is also very helpful as I select ballast color.

 

I will proceed to elevate the On30 track somewhat using Cork roadbed. I will also be researching dark ballast colors to match the tailings from the Cranberry mines. 

 

Thank you to everyone who responded to my request for help. It is greatly appreciated. I will post pictures as this project moves along.

 

Doc Tom

 

My contribution to the Clarksville Model Rail Road club.

Check Arizona Rock and Minerals they should have a dark gray almost black color. As to size I used an HO ballast to get a fine look of gravel on my old On3 line. Used N scale black as a cinder ballast.

 

Bill Uffelman
 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 12:56 PM, Tom Grabenstein

<tomgmd@...> wrote:

Thank you Johnny for this very well thought out contribution to this discussion about roadbed. Also a very good explanation why the pictures we have show the “down in the weeds look.”

 

The description of the ballast used is also very helpful as I select ballast color.

 

I will proceed to elevate the On30 track somewhat using Cork roadbed. I will also be researching dark ballast colors to match the tailings from the Cranberry mines. 

 

Thank you to everyone who responded to my request for help. It is greatly appreciated. I will post pictures as this project moves along.

 

Doc Tom

 

My contribution to the Clarksville Model Rail Road club.

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 12:56 PM, Tom Grabenstein

<tomgmd@...> wrote:

Thank you Johnny for this very well thought out contribution to this discussion about roadbed. Also a very good explanation why the pictures we have show the “down in the weeds look.”

The description of the ballast used is also very helpful as I select ballast color.

I will proceed to elevate the On30 track somewhat using Cork roadbed. I will also be researching dark ballast colors to match the tailings from the Cranberry mines. 

Thank you to everyone who responded to my request for help. It is greatly appreciated. I will post pictures as this project moves along.

Doc Tom

My contribution to the Clarksville Model Rail Road club.

On Mar 29, 2019, at 8:29 PM, Frank Sergent <fsergent@...> wrote:

Tom,

 

https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/etwnc-?family=editorial&phrase=et%26wnc%20&sort=best#license

 

Here’s a link to some really good pics of the ET with roadbed health clearly visible. Be aware that two of the pics are East Broad Top instead of ET (The one with the #15 engine and the one with the railroad crossing sign). Based on these pictures, it looks to me like the ends of the ties are typically visible on the mainline and the roadbed is elevated (at least on the mainline). I’m certain there are examples otherwise, but drainage is important for any road.

 

Frank