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Re: AN ET&WNC RAMP

C Ford <cfordart@...>
 

Hey y'all,
I believe he is talking about tunnel 1 and being able to see it from the
highway during the winter.

As to the ramp, I think maybe he is referring to the coal ramp (?) on the
west side of Elizabethton behind a string of businesses, before you get
into the old downtown area. I got the feeling from his letter that he was
not talking about a ramp that he had seen outside of town toward Trade,
but one he had seen during a trip into Eliz.

If he gets on the group here, maybe he can enlighten us.

It's late.

I'm tired.

G'nite Johnboy :)

Chris


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Chris Ford
cfordart@mindspring.com

http://www.mindspring.com/~cfordart/etwnc/home.html


Re: AN ET&WNC RAMP

Fred Waskiewicz <wask@...>
 

Could the ramp be an artifact of one of the n.g. logging lines in the
region? Perhaps removed from Mountain City or Shady Valley?

Concerning the tunnel he mentions, I had heard of a tunnel on the upper
reaches of the Watauga River when I lived in Elizabethton but (sigh!) never
investigated. Logging lines don't normally build tunnels and I know of no RR
activity along that part of the Watauga other than Whiting, which didn't
have a tunnel on their line. Could it be an old highway tunnel?

--- Fred


Re: AN ET&WNC RAMP

Steve & Gail Schulman <buchanan@...>
 

Chris and others-
It's been a few years since I've been in North Carolina but if memory
serves me right, Trade is on the road from Boone to Bristol Closer to
Boone. I would doubt if this is ET territory. Best Regards
Steve Schulman
C Ford wrote:


From: C Ford <cfordart@mindspring.com>

Subject: AN ET&WNC RAMP
Sent: 4/7/19 1:43 PM
Received: 4/5/99 9:12 PM
From: etwnc@preferred.com
To: Chris Ford, cfordart@mindspring.com

Hey gang, got this in the e-mail today, thought it might mean something
to someone around Elizabethton, anybody know where "Trade" is? Bill if
you could add this address to the list, I'd appreciate it. Thanks again,
oh, and by the way, the book is real close to the start of the put
together, production process (my end of the deal) and I don't mind
telling you, it's a sobering thought :)

See y'all at the convention if you can,
Chris Ford

---------------------------------------------

HELLO, I LIVE NEAR ELIZABETHTON,IN TRADE TO BE EXACT,AND ONE DAY I WAS
GOING THERE AND ACROSS FROM THE SAVE-A-LOT STORE WHERE THE OLD HYDER'S
CARPET CLEANERS IS AND RIGHT BEHIND THAT BUILDING IS A RAILWAY RAMP.IT
IS VERY OLD AND LOOKS LIKE IT MAY FALL PRETTY SOON. IT LOOKS LIKE A
BUILDING A LITTLE BUT, IF YOU LOOK VERY HARD YOU CAN SEE NARROW GAUGE
RAILS STICKING OUT FROM THE END OF THE RAMP.
PLEASE E-MAIL ME BACK IF YOU WOULD LIKE ANY MORE INFO.

P.S. I ALSO KNOW WHERE A TUNNEL IS THAT YOU HAVE NOT GOT PICTURED.
IT'S KINDA' HARD TO GET TO BUT YOU CAN SEE IT OFF OF THE HIGHWAY.
ETWNC@PREFERRED.COM

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AN ET&WNC RAMP

C Ford <cfordart@...>
 

Subject: AN ET&WNC RAMP
Sent: 4/7/19 1:43 PM
Received: 4/5/99 9:12 PM
From: etwnc@preferred.com
To: Chris Ford, cfordart@mindspring.com

Hey gang, got this in the e-mail today, thought it might mean something
to someone around Elizabethton, anybody know where "Trade" is? Bill if
you could add this address to the list, I'd appreciate it. Thanks again,
oh, and by the way, the book is real close to the start of the put
together, production process (my end of the deal) and I don't mind
telling you, it's a sobering thought :)

See y'all at the convention if you can,
Chris Ford

---------------------------------------------

HELLO, I LIVE NEAR ELIZABETHTON,IN TRADE TO BE EXACT,AND ONE DAY I WAS
GOING THERE AND ACROSS FROM THE SAVE-A-LOT STORE WHERE THE OLD HYDER'S
CARPET CLEANERS IS AND RIGHT BEHIND THAT BUILDING IS A RAILWAY RAMP.IT
IS VERY OLD AND LOOKS LIKE IT MAY FALL PRETTY SOON. IT LOOKS LIKE A
BUILDING A LITTLE BUT, IF YOU LOOK VERY HARD YOU CAN SEE NARROW GAUGE
RAILS STICKING OUT FROM THE END OF THE RAMP.
PLEASE E-MAIL ME BACK IF YOU WOULD LIKE ANY MORE INFO.

P.S. I ALSO KNOW WHERE A TUNNEL IS THAT YOU HAVE NOT GOT PICTURED.
IT'S KINDA' HARD TO GET TO BUT YOU CAN SEE IT OFF OF THE HIGHWAY.
ETWNC@PREFERRED.COM


Laurel Fork Shay

Curtis Brookshire <curtis.brookshire@...>
 

Volume 64, Number 1, 1999 of the National Railway Bulletin (the NRHS
publication) has a photo of a Laurel Fork RR Shay. Author Fred Waskiewicz
wrote a good article a few months ago in the same publication highlighting
the Laurel Fork, which most of us know paralleled the ET&WNC from
Elizabethton through Hampton and ran on the other side of the mountains
bordering the north side of the Doe River Gorge. His article had a good
photo of an ET&WNC mixed train using the vestibuled equipment, but no Laurel
Fork equipment.

This issue has a photo of a three truck Shay sent to Mr. Waskiewicz by a
reader. It shows Shay number 3 in front of the Pittsburgh Lumber Company's
loading dock at Braemar, TN. The locomotive is less than a year old and in
mint condition. Wanting to assemble a MDC three truck std (broad) gauge
Shay and needed a good excuse? Here it is.

BTW, the May/June issue of Vintage Rails has an article about a couple of
students travelling in 1944 including a side trip on the ET&WNC. Has a
couple of good photos of number 9 and the commuter train, both at Bemberg
and in the Gorge. Interesting to see the ET&WNC in the context of the
nations railroads in a timeline snapshot. For example they also have a
photo of a brand new B&O EM-1 2-8-8-4 on its first run. Check it out if you
have a chance.

Happy Easter/Passover,
Curtis


Admin: Melissa Virus - more info

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

By now you probably have heard of this virus in the news and from other
lists. It has caused Microsoft & Intel some embarrassing problems - yet
for some strange reason, I just can't get worked up about that.

If you are interested in learning more about the virus, I have received a
very well put together note on the subject - it also explains what to look
for in Word, what to change in Word, where to find this specific (and
generic) virus information, and some of the fun things happening as a
result. I can send it to anyone interested, just send me a note.

The automatic e-mail part of this beastie (it sends infected messages to
the first 50 folks in your address book), only happens with Outlook - not
Outlook express or any other e-mail client. That doesn;t mean you can't be
infected if you don't use Outlook, just that you won't have to explain
yourself to all your e-mail pals (so quickly).

Remember - don't open a .doc, .txt, .exe, .xls or any other attachment
unless you are expecting something from that person - and you scan the
attachment first with your virus scanner.

Bob


Admin: Virus Warning

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

Folks, I told you if a virus came out, I would send a message to the effect
that it is rail and what to watch for. As usual, the smug Mac users may
delete this message now.

The description below gives you an idea of what happens. Bottom line is
this - do not open anything from anyone you don't know and be real careful
with those you do know. Note that this one (like the Happy99 worm) can not
infect anything by itself - it needs your help - in this case to open the
document in Word. If you want to be careful, go into Word now, and turn
the Macro option to off or announce or whatever MS uses (I may be able to
figure this out and anyone wanting to know specifics may send me a note
offlist).

Again, note that the email message itself can not infect you, only by
opening the document can you let this beasty out and about on your system.
If anyone would like more information, contact me off list. Any other
discussion of this or any other virus should be had off list to me - if it
is real, I will let y'all know. Bob



Description

The Melissa macro virus propagates in the form of an email message
containing an infected Word document as an attachment. The transport
message has most frequently been reported to contain the following
Subject header

Subject: Important Message From <name>

Where <name> is the full name of the user sending the message.

The body of the message is a multipart MIME message containing two
sections. The first section of the message (Content-Type: text/plain)
contains the following text.

Here is that document you asked for ... don't show anyone else ;-)

The next section (Content-Type: application/msword) was initially
reported to be a document called "list.doc". This document contains
references to pornographic web sites. As this macro virus spreads we
are likely to see documents with other names. In fact, under certain
conditions the virus may generate attachments with documents created
by the victim.


Convention

William C. Oram <wcoram@...>
 

I have one guy wanting to share a room for the two nights of the convention. It would be better to have at least one more "roomie".
Any takers?
Thanks, Bill Oram Raleigh,NC


On3 decals are announced

Jim King <jking@...>
 

Hi all,

I just received pricing for the ET&WNC On3 38' flat car kit decals.
Retail price is $7.50 per set, postpaid. They are printed by an ALPS
printer on thin-film decal paper. If you've never seen the comparison
between silk screened decals and the laser printed version by ALPS, this
set will really open your eyes. No ragged edges ... white is really
white, not transparent ... and 2" characters even in HO scale are still
legible!

There are enough characters per decal set to letter 1 1/2 cars so you've
got plenty of spares. Also, the set will correctly letter all of the
ET's flats, regardless of length (I'm getting ready for the 32 footers
later this year!).

Since first announcing the flat car kit, I've decided to offer a kit
version that includes decals as well. Here are the three kit options
and related pricing:

Kit no. ET-48F1 ... complete kit w/ trucks, couplers and decals ... $65
each
Kit no. ET-48F2 ... includes trucks & couplers, no decals ... $59 each
Kit no. ET-48F3 ... basic kit (no trucks, couplers or decals) ... $49
each

Shipping per order is still $5.50

For those of you who've already paid for your kits, I will include
decals at no additional charge ... just let me know by email or snail
mail if you want decals for each kit.

Thanks for supporting this new kit.

Jim King
Smoky Mountain Model Works


Testing 123, Testing (Ignore me)

Sergent, Frank <Frank_Sergent@...>
 

Just checking to see if I'm back onlist. Sorry for the inconvenience.


Re: 99 Convention

Phread <fred1945@...>
 

Bill,

I'm thinking about going, if you wouldn't mind a "Yankee" room-mate?

Phread

William C. Oram wrote:

Any one going to the convention that would like to share a room? I
would like to go on friday thsi year but can not pay for two
nightsmyself. I don't mind sharing with 2 or 3 other guys. I can sleep
on the couch or floor as long as I have a place to shower and
shave.let me know.Bill Oram RAleigh,NC


99 Convention

William C. Oram <wcoram@...>
 

Any one going to the convention that would like to share a room? I would like to go on friday thsi year but can not pay for two nights
myself. I don't mind sharing with 2 or 3 other guys. I can sleep on the couch or floor as long as I have a place to shower and shave.
let me know.
Bill Oram RAleigh,NC


Re: stock cars

johnny graybeal <johnnyg@...>
 

Tom,
It's nice to know that someone else managed to wade through the red tape
of the National Archives. They had this information on the ET&WNC, but did
not have the engineers field notes, which would have had a wealth of
information on the railroad. I did find the EFNotes for the Virginia and
Southwestern to Mountain City and it had info on every bridge, fill and
trestle. According to the Nat Arc not everything was kept. Other people
need to access these records or someday we may find that what we saw has
been trashed. Glad to have you aboard.
Johnny Graybeal
President ET&WNC RR Historical Society

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Armstrong <tom@cobweb.net>
To: Tweetsie <tweetsie@onelist.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 9:36 AM
Subject: [Tweetsie] stock cars


From: "Tom Armstrong" <tom@cobweb.net>

Greetings:

I recently joined this list, just to see what others are posting about the
ET&WNC. I have little original material to add. However, I do have copies I
made about four years ago at the National Archives, of ICC Valuation data
on the ET&WNC. The recent remark about stock cars made me look at what I
have. I copied the original hand-written notes. There is generally one
page per car or locomotive, although sometimes one page just references the
data on another page. Not all cars are included.

In April, 1917, W.B. Combs from the ICC made the following notes about
stock car No. 90:

Built by ET&WNC, est. date built, 1905.
Capacity: 24,000
weight: 17,600
length over end sills: 33' 2"
width over side sills: 8' 10"
underframe, superstructure, center and end sills, end of car: wood
roof: tin
doors: two side, no end
body bolsters: wood
draft timbers: wood
draft rigging: single spring ???? (can�t read last word)
Mfg. GS? Or 65? Or 6.5? stops (can�t read this one either)
air brake schedule: �6"
trucks: arch bar
truck bolsters: wood
wheels, C.I., 8, diameter: 24"
journals: 3 3/4" x 6"
safety appliances: yes
6 sills
four truss rods - 1 1/8"
roof, body, floor condition: bad
underframe condition: fair
trucks: good
Maintenance: normal, in regular service

There was also a compilation of all such reports. For the stock cars it
shows:
Nos. 90-92 - 3 cars
date built: unknown
wood construction
30,000 lb. Capacity
length 33'
width 7'
height 7'
weight 17,500

Based on these two statements, one specific for one car and the other
general for three cars, I would guess that the three cars were different. I
am sorry the data for the other two cars was not included, but that�s how
it goes with the ICC data.

In the recent �The Blue Ridge Stemwinder� article on stock cars, it
mentions that there were three stock cars listed in Poor�s between 1918 and
1926. These are probably the cars.

There is lots of other interesting stuff in the rest of the ICC field
notes. Perhaps I can share more later. Or, has this information already
been published?

Tom Armstrong Tom@cobweb.net


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Re: stock cars

Rick Blanchard <bdesign@...>
 

Tom,

At 9:33 AM -0800 3/17/99, Tom Armstrong wrote:
ET&WNC. I have little original material to add. However, I do have copies I
made about four years ago at the National Archives, of ICC Valuation data
on the ET&WNC. The recent remark about stock cars made me look at what I

Interesting. The photo on p39 looked to me like a rather long car, so
I assumed it was another of the 'built from a 36' flat' variety. It
could be a 90 series though or one of the 'others' that John Waite
said bounced on and off the valuation sheets. Sure seems like a
wide-body at 8'10"!

stock car No. 90:

Built by ET&WNC, est. date built, 1905.
Capacity: 24,000
weight: 17,600
length over end sills: 33' 2"
width over side sills: 8' 10"
....
There was also a compilation of all such reports. For the stock cars it
shows:
Nos. 90-92 - 3 cars
date built: unknown
wood construction
30,000 lb. Capacity
length 33'
width 7'
height 7'
weight 17,500
Now they shrunk to 7' and gained 6,000 lbs capy! Guess nobody really
liked paperwork back then either :o}

There is lots of other interesting stuff in the rest of the ICC field
notes. Perhaps I can share more later. Or, has this information already
been published?
I'm open for whatever else you have.

Cheers,
Rick
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Rick Blanchard
rick@urbaneagle.com
San Diego, CA

My East Tennessee and Western North Carolina web site:
http://www.urbaneagle.com/slim/etwnc.html


stock cars

Tom Armstrong <tom@...>
 

Greetings:

I recently joined this list, just to see what others are posting about the
ET&WNC. I have little original material to add. However, I do have copies I
made about four years ago at the National Archives, of ICC Valuation data
on the ET&WNC. The recent remark about stock cars made me look at what I
have. I copied the original hand-written notes. There is generally one
page per car or locomotive, although sometimes one page just references the
data on another page. Not all cars are included.

In April, 1917, W.B. Combs from the ICC made the following notes about
stock car No. 90:

Built by ET&WNC, est. date built, 1905.
Capacity: 24,000
weight: 17,600
length over end sills: 33' 2"
width over side sills: 8' 10"
underframe, superstructure, center and end sills, end of car: wood
roof: tin
doors: two side, no end
body bolsters: wood
draft timbers: wood
draft rigging: single spring ???? (can�t read last word)
Mfg. GS? Or 65? Or 6.5? stops (can�t read this one either)
air brake schedule: �6"
trucks: arch bar
truck bolsters: wood
wheels, C.I., 8, diameter: 24"
journals: 3 3/4" x 6"
safety appliances: yes
6 sills
four truss rods - 1 1/8"
roof, body, floor condition: bad
underframe condition: fair
trucks: good
Maintenance: normal, in regular service

There was also a compilation of all such reports. For the stock cars it
shows:
Nos. 90-92 - 3 cars
date built: unknown
wood construction
30,000 lb. Capacity
length 33'
width 7'
height 7'
weight 17,500

Based on these two statements, one specific for one car and the other
general for three cars, I would guess that the three cars were different. I
am sorry the data for the other two cars was not included, but that�s how
it goes with the ICC data.

In the recent �The Blue Ridge Stemwinder� article on stock cars, it
mentions that there were three stock cars listed in Poor�s between 1918 and
1926. These are probably the cars.

There is lots of other interesting stuff in the rest of the ICC field
notes. Perhaps I can share more later. Or, has this information already
been published?

Tom Armstrong Tom@cobweb.net


New On3 flat car kit

Jim King <jking@...>
 

Hi all,

Just a little note to let those interested in On3 ET kits that my 38'
flat car will be ready to ship by the end of March. The pilot model is
done except for decals made off an ALPS printer by Chris Cardinal (Maine
2 ft. modeler). The correct lettering style, complete with all of the
stencil breaks/gaps is being reviewed and should be ready to print next
week. All patterns, parts, and the 9-page instructions with 9 color
photos are also about ready to launch.

The car has a 1-piece urethane underframe and separate 2x8s from Kappler
for the deck. Truss rods are brass wire. I-beam and wood bolsters are
included for your modeling pleasure! Grandt, Detail Associates and
Tichy detail parts complete the kit.

The kit price remains as previously advertised: $59 with Grandt trucks
and Kadees. Decals are available separately (for those who freelance)
at $4-5 (I don't have final pricing yet). Shipping is $5.50 per order,
regardless of kit quantity.

A photo of the completed and weathered model will appear on Rick
Blanchard's ET web page as soon as I get a photo to him.

I'm now accepting orders for the car. Make check/money order payable to
Smoky Mountain Model Works and mail to 521 Betsy Ross Lane, Asheville NC
28805. This car, a possible 2nd On3 car, and my HOn3 ET cars will be
available at the June convention.

Thanks for supporting ET model manufacturers!

Regards,
Jim King
SMMW


Dave Hoffman and other tidbits

Rick Blanchard <bdesign@...>
 

Hi folks,

I had heard from another 'e'list that Dave Hoffman is finally settled
in enough to begin to provide the castings and kits he used to for
the ET&WNC. I have a new address for him but apparently he either has
no phone or it is not listed. Has anyone been in touch with him
lately? I'd like to update the info on the web site but don't want to
promise things that aren't ready to happen.

The new address I have is:

David M. Hoffman
8683 US Hwy. 61 N
Woodville MS 39669-3502

So there he is, out on Highway 61!

====
Preview: I got a note from Les Walker that his HO Linville Depot
model kit may be ready by the time of the Historical Society annual
meeting. Check his web page for late breaking news. The URL is on the
ET&WNC web page.

====
For a final news tidbit, Since all of the great photos appeared in
the Stemwinder, it is apparent that the stock car that I drew plans
for is _not_ 700 or 701. It is from an earlier series and no numbers
were in Ferrells book for other stock cars. I will probably do two
things: relabel the drawing and remove the 700 numbers, and work on
another drawing of the stockcars to match the info in the photos for
700. I reiterate that the car that I drew was a best guess from a
single photo on page 39 of Ferrell's book. Apologies for the errors,
I just didn't have much to go on.

Cheers,
Rick
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Rick Blanchard
rick@urbaneagle.com
San Diego, CA

My East Tennessee and Western North Carolina web site:
http://www.urbaneagle.com/slim/etwnc.html


Admin

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

OK, folks, time to do some preventive maintenance. In the past week, I've
received the Happy99 worm and variants several times - it's time to try to
kill the beast in our little circle(s).

Everyone, please - if you are running Windows 95/98/NT perform the following:
Go to the START button and select the FIND selection with the Files or
Folders option. The enter the following: SKA*.* If the files indicated
in Bill's message show up, follow the instructions Bill thoughtfully supplied.

Next, do the same thing and put Happy*.exe in the find field. Delete the
little bugger(s) - note that there may be a Happy99 and a Happy991.

Please remove that smug grin from your face you Mac and Unix users - as the
song says "never kick a man when he's down, son, sometime you might have to
play his game".

Next, please do not post JPG, GIF, BMP - for that matter, please do not
send ANY attachments to the list in general. The appropriate thing to do
is to send a message with the subject information and see who wants the
attachments. Attachments are a major no-no when it comes to most lists.

And, as long as we are on the list of major no-nos, please make sure you
are sending messages in plain text, and not that gawdawful crap Microsoft
thinks everyone should have (HTML, primarily). The use of plain text is
not, as MS would have you think, a sign of a obsolete mail program.

There are folks on these lists in countries and locals that charge a very
pretty penny for any phone call, making downloads of unwanted attachments
and HTML not only time consuming, annoying and frustrating, but costly as well.


Re: [Fwd: (no subject)]

Bob Webber <RSWEBBER@...>
 

I've added Tom to the list. He should start seeing messages immediately.
Bob

At 10:26 AM 3/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
Hi gang,

The attached message is from one of my kit customers. He's interested
in joining the ET mailing list and, possibly, our society. Would
someone please contact him at his email address and advise him on how to
join our list and where to get more info on the society?

Thanks,
Jim King
SMMW

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Thanks-

I'll look forward to the hoppers!

Please forward my name to the ET WNC HS e-mail list. I would appreciate it.

Thanks
Tom Farmer


[Fwd: (no subject)]

Jim King <jking@...>
 

Hi gang,

The attached message is from one of my kit customers. He's interested
in joining the ET mailing list and, possibly, our society. Would
someone please contact him at his email address and advise him on how to
join our list and where to get more info on the society?

Thanks,
Jim King
SMMW

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