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Would this be useful?

jlberry <jlberry@...>
 

I agree with Ken. But I understand the change to be added to the Filters & Devices screen and we can still pop back & forth to Memory Banks.

Jack - WE5ST

--- In dxlab@..., "Dave AA6YQ" <aa6yq@...> wrote:

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]On Behalf Of
Kenneth Grimm
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:38 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: Re: [dxlab] Would this be useful?


On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Dave <aa6yq@...> wrote:

An option to replace Commander's Commander's Frequency-dependent Device
panels with some User-defined Sequences and Sliders:

<http://www.dxlabsuite.com/commander/CommanderUDCOption.jpg>

There's not quite enough vertical room for two rows of sliders; slightly
increasing the height of Commander's Main window would permit that...

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

If this means giving up the Devices and Filters panel, I would vote no. I
use the Amp tuning and Tuner tuning charts many times a day! I would hate
to go back to sticky notes! If the panels could be made three layers deep,
I would have no problem with adding the additional controls on the "third"
level, but I would certainly hate to see my tuning charts go from Commander.

The proposal is for a new "option", Ken. All existing functionality,
including frequency-dependent devices, would be retained.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

Tom N4NW
 

Yes,

This would be more useful.

73's

Tom Gregory, N4NW

donaldsinger77 <don@...>
 

I want the feature

Don KF7QZB

--- In dxlab@..., iain macdonnell - N6ML <ar@...> wrote:

Despite his extraordinary productivity, I believe that it is, in fact,
the same Dave (not multiple clones) that develops all of the DXLab
Suite applications :)

I still vote for the proposed UDC feature, though. The recent addition
of additional rows in the existing UDC panel has been a significant
inhibitor for me - I can no longer fit Commander below WinWarbler on a
1024-pixel high desktop, as I need to be able to do with my remote
setup. This means I have to keep moving Commander down so the UDCs are
"off the bottom of the screen" so I can access mouse-wheel tuning
without constantly re-layering the windows. Then when I want to access
UDCs, I have to move the Commander to get at them. It's a "Royal Pain"
:)

73,

~iain / N6ML


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:12 AM, <ac0x@...> wrote:



Hello Joe (curmudgeon to curmudgeon ;) )

Good ideas both - but for Commander? I'd think the sound card switching
would make more sense in WW, and the awards tracking would seem more
logical
in DXView or DXKeeper. And to some of us Commander's rig control functions
actually are a core function of the DXLab suite (actually with a package
like DXLab that does so much - what actually ARE the "core functions"? I'd
expect there are quite a lot of them :) )



----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@...>
To: <dxlab@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [dxlab] Would this be useful?


Allow me to be the curmudgeon ... since I do not use UDCs, I'd rather
see the other items on the development list (sound card switching for
multiple radios, real-time tracking for additional awards (WAS, VUCC,
etc.) attended to before wasting any development effort with items
that have no bearing on the core functions of DXLab Suite.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 18-April-2012 12:16, Dave wrote:
An option to replace Commander's Commander's Frequency-dependent
Device
panels with some User-defined Sequences and Sliders:

<http://www.dxlabsuite.com/commander/CommanderUDCOption.jpg>

There's not quite enough vertical room for two rows of sliders;
slightly
increasing the height of Commander's Main window would permit that.

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Dave AA6YQ
 

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]On Behalf Of
ac0x
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:26 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] Re: Would this be useful?


Btw not to be a nudge... But if we get more buttons/sliders,

The proposal shown below does not increase the number of user-defined
sequences or sliders; it makes half of them accessible without extending the
height of Commander's Main window to display the "User-defined Controls"
panel. The number of user-defined sequences and sliders was doubled (to 32
sequences and 16 sliders) in Commander 9.6.0.

could you also increase the number of lines available in the init script (or
add a feature for scripts to call subscripts) so the new buttons could all
be init-ed on startup?

At present, a user-defined command sequences specify up to 32 commands.
From a user interface perspective, increasing the number of commands per
sequence would require switching to a scrollable table, like what's used to
configure frequency-dependent devices.

Please elaborate on what you mean by "a feature for scripts to call
subscripts".

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

Louis Sica
 

Hello Dave

The proposal shown below does not increase the number of user-defined
sequences or sliders; it makes half of them accessible without extending the
height of Commander's Main window to display the "User-defined Controls"
panel. The number of user-defined sequences and sliders was doubled (to 32
sequences and 16 sliders) in Commander 9.6.0.
If the new feature doesn't actually increase the number of sequences or sliders available, then I wouldn't have a need for more lines available in the Init script. Currently I use that as a way to make sure the display in all my current buttons matches up to what the radio is actually doing. But without more buttons to initialize, I myself don't have a need for more lines in the script

Please elaborate on what you mean by "a feature for scripts to call
subscripts".
Sorry, "subscripts" was bad terminology on my part. I meant to say "sub-routines", actually external scripts. THought maybe if actually increasing the lines available in any one script caused too much of a problem, that this might be some sort of option.

Thanks again.

Dave AA6YQ
 

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]On Behalf Of
K2GN
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:23 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] Re: Would this be useful?


Great,

I like it. It could easily be made into 2 groups of buttons, 10 each, by moving the “ALT” box down to the slider line and putting another button on each line on UDCs.

I would be possible to have two groups of five buttons, but not ten. I'm planning to stick with two groups of four.
73,

Dave, AA6YQ

Dave AA6YQ
 

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]On Behalf Of
k1ggi
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:28 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] Re: Would this be useful?


What impact would this option have on the the existing udc panel?

The proposed change effectively makes the left-half of the "User-defined
Controls" panel visible beneath the PTT and Filters panels if

1. you have no Frequency-dependent device panels enabled

2. you don't have the "Show User-defined Controls panel" option enabled (I
will change the name of this option to "Show complete User-defined Controls
panel".

To enable the display of two rows of two sliders (as opposed to the
single row of two sliders shown in the URL below), I made two changes to the
User-defined Controls panels:

1. removed the set of small "SH F5", "SH F6"... "SH F12" labels above the
second row of buttons, replacing them with the word "SHIFT" between the
fourth and fifth button in this second row.

2. reduced the height of the sliders.

I don't believe either of these changes will reduce usability, but I'm
prepared to "undo" them in the full "User-defined Controls" panel if
necessary.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

Dave AA6YQ
 

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]On Behalf Of
Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:57 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: Re: [dxlab] Would this be useful?



Allow me to be the curmudgeon ... since I do not use UDCs, I'd rather
see the other items on the development list (sound card switching for
multiple radios, real-time tracking for additional awards (WAS, VUCC,
etc.) attended to before wasting any development effort with items
that have no bearing on the core functions of DXLab Suite.

Total implementation time for this change was under 3 hours, so it was
not a significant diversion from the larger projects you mention above. I'll
recover this over the next 3 months by not having to repeatedly explain why
Commander has so much empty space to users without frequency-dependent
devices.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

Dave AA6YQ
 

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]On Behalf Of
jlberry
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:06 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] Re: Would this be useful?


I agree with Ken. But I understand the change to be added to the Filters &
Devices screen and we can still pop back & forth to Memory Banks.

Correct.
73,

Dave, AA6YQ

aburkefl
 

And that too is slowing becoming a problem for me as well.

I'm more or less on Joe's side - the addition of all these buttons and sliders in Commander are looking more and more like remote operating functions. There are already a number of remote-control programs out there - is Commander gradually morphing into a remote-control program?

One could easily argue that if I don't like them don't use them, but the temptation (and the learning curve) is still there!

Art - N4PJ

--- In dxlab@..., iain macdonnell - N6ML <ar@...> wrote:

Despite his extraordinary productivity, I believe that it is, in fact,
the same Dave (not multiple clones) that develops all of the DXLab
Suite applications :)

I still vote for the proposed UDC feature, though. The recent addition
of additional rows in the existing UDC panel has been a significant
inhibitor for me - I can no longer fit Commander below WinWarbler on a
1024-pixel high desktop, as I need to be able to do with my remote
setup. This means I have to keep moving Commander down so the UDCs are
"off the bottom of the screen" so I can access mouse-wheel tuning
without constantly re-layering the windows. Then when I want to access
UDCs, I have to move the Commander to get at them. It's a "Royal Pain"
:)

73,

~iain / N6ML


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:12 AM, <ac0x@...> wrote:



Hello Joe (curmudgeon to curmudgeon ;) )

Good ideas both - but for Commander? I'd think the sound card switching
would make more sense in WW, and the awards tracking would seem more
logical
in DXView or DXKeeper. And to some of us Commander's rig control functions
actually are a core function of the DXLab suite (actually with a package
like DXLab that does so much - what actually ARE the "core functions"? I'd
expect there are quite a lot of them :) )



----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@...>
To: <dxlab@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [dxlab] Would this be useful?


Allow me to be the curmudgeon ... since I do not use UDCs, I'd rather
see the other items on the development list (sound card switching for
multiple radios, real-time tracking for additional awards (WAS, VUCC,
etc.) attended to before wasting any development effort with items
that have no bearing on the core functions of DXLab Suite.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 18-April-2012 12:16, Dave wrote:
An option to replace Commander's Commander's Frequency-dependent
Device
panels with some User-defined Sequences and Sliders:

<http://www.dxlabsuite.com/commander/CommanderUDCOption.jpg>

There's not quite enough vertical room for two rows of sliders;
slightly
increasing the height of Commander's Main window would permit that.

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links


Dave AA6YQ
 

AA6YQ comments below
--- In dxlab@..., "Art" <aburkefl@...> wrote:

And that too is slowing becoming a problem for me as well.

I'm more or less on Joe's side - the addition of all these buttons and sliders in Commander are looking more and more like remote operating functions. There are already a number of remote-control programs out there - is Commander gradually morphing into a remote-control program?

User-defined command sequences and sliders were added to Commander years ago. This recent change simply makes them accessible without increasing the height of Commander's Main window.
73,

Dave, AA6YQ

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