Launcher not starting
Dennis W1UE
When I turn on the computer in the morning, I double click the icon for Launcher. The Win10 circle spins, and Launcher doesn't appear. If I double click on the Launcher icon again, I get a message box telling me its already running, but it isn't on screen. It was installed into c:\DXLAB\Launcher If I go into Task Manager and kill the DXLauncher program, then double click it again to start it, same thing happens. If I go in and fiddle with "Run as an Administrator", sometimes it starts and sometimes it doesn't. I'm figuring that I installed something incorrectly, but I can't find my error. Dennis W1UE |
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Dave AA6YQ
+ AA6YQ comments below
When I turn on the computer in the morning, I double click the icon for Launcher. The Win10 circle spins, and Launcher doesn't appear. If I double click on the Launcher icon again, I get a message box telling me its already running, but it isn't on screen. It was installed into c:\DXLAB\Launcher + That sounds like interference from your anti-malware. To see if that's the case, reboot Windows into "Safe mode with networking", and then start the Launcher. What happens? + You'll need to reboot Windows normally after performing the above experiment. 73,
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This is happening here also, after a win10 update. If I wait
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3-4 mins it starts. If I try to just start DXKeeper without starting Launcher, the same thing happens. Launcher takes 3-4 mins. And then it takes 3-4 mins for DXKeeper to start. -- Jim Sherwood, *N4UOZ On 2/9/2023 2:13 PM, Dennis W1UE wrote:
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Dave AA6YQ
+ AA6YQ comments below
This is happening here also, after a win10 update. If I wait + That's almost certainly interference from your anti-malware, which you can confirm by temporarily rebooting Windows into "Safe Mode with Networking", if you wish. + Configure your anti-malware to consider each DXLab application to be "safe". If you're running Microsoft's Windows Defender, update it to the latest malware definitions: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/definitions 73,
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Joe Subich, W4TV
Dennis,
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It is possible that Launcher is opening off screen. See: <http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/RecoverWindow> 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2/9/2023 3:13 PM, Dennis W1UE wrote:
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Dennis W1UE
When I restart in Safe Mode with Networking, DXLauncher 2.1.7 opens right away. Once I reboot and go into the normal Win10 startup, the program takes a while to open. I reported yesterday that it didn't display, but I discovered that my issue is just like N4UOZ's issue- it starts, but after a delay of 3 1/2 minutes the Launcher WIndow appeared. Once that is on screen, Commander loads <5 sec, DXKeeper <8 seconds. DXLauncher also has a shield on it. Windows 10 version 22H2. I5-4570 CPU, 8Gb ram, 210Gb SSD. WSJT starts in <3sec. Once it is displayed, if I close it and then reopen it Launcher opens <1sec. If I right click the icon, choose "Run as Administrator", the same delay is present. If I right click the icon, choose Advanced, then click on "Run as Administrator", same delay. I signed on as the administrator when I installed the program. So far, no joy. Dennis W1UE On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 4:16 PM Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...> wrote: + AA6YQ comments below |
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Dave AA6YQ
+ AA6YQ comments below
When I restart in Safe Mode with Networking, DXLauncher 2.1.7 opens right away. + You have identified the root cause of the problem: one of the applications that Windows starts automatically when booted "normally" is interfering with communication among your DXLab applications. The culprit is almost always your anti-malware. You must either configure it to consider each of your DXLab applications to be "safe"; if you can't do that, get help from the provider of your anti-malware. If they don't succeed, then you must remove your current anti-malware and replace it with something competent. + If you're using Windows Defender, updating it with Microsoft's current malware definitions should be sufficient: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/definitions 73,
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JTAlert Support (VK3AMA)
On 11/02/2023 2:24 am, Dennis W1UE
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When I restart in Safe Mode with Networking, DXLauncher 2.1.7 opens right away. Something worth trying. Rather than starting Launcher immediately after starting/rebooting Windows. Delay the startup of Launcher for a few minutes to give Windows time to gets its house in order. Go and make a coffee or something so that you are not sitting fixated on what Windows is doing or not doing during its startup. After Windows has started and the PC usage has dropped to normal (idle) levels than start Launcher, does it start normally or are the delays still present? de Laurie VK3AMA |
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This is very good council from Laurie. For some Windows machines with constrained resources it could very well be a few minutes before lower priority tasks are instantiated. In addition, each machines startup load is different depending on what starts at boot time. If you want to see visually what your memory, network and CPU load is at startup, simply strike CTRL + ALT + DEL all at the same time and then click on Task Manger and select the Performance tab. You will get a visual representation of the load your machine is under at start up.
73’s Joe K8FC
From: DXLab@groups.io <DXLab@groups.io> On Behalf Of JTAlert Support (VK3AMA)
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2023 14:57 To: DXLab@groups.io Subject: Re: [DXLab] Launcher not starting
On 11/02/2023 2:24 am, Dennis W1UE wrote:
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Joe Subich, W4TV
On 2/10/2023 10:24 AM, Dennis W1UE wrote:
DXLauncher also has a shield on it.That really looks like some kind of anti-malware. Can you *exclude* your entire DXLab folder from the anti-malware software? I've never seen such a "shield" with just Windows Defender - what anti- malware software are you using? If I right click the icon, choose "Run as Administrator", the same delay is present.Don't do that. It causes problems with other software that must interact with DXLab Suite. It also exposes your system to some malware attacks. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2/10/2023 10:24 AM, Dennis W1UE wrote: When I restart in Safe Mode with Networking, DXLauncher 2.1.7 opens right |
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JTAlert Support (VK3AMA)
On 11/02/2023 8:24 am, Joe Subich, W4TV
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> DXLauncher also has a shield on it. Windows, depending on version, will often overlay a program icon with a shield image if the program is set to run with elevated privileges. de Laurie VK3AMA |
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Dennis W1UE
Laurie and others: This morning, I started the computer, went and made a cup of coffee, returned to the computer, double-clicked Launcher and it displayed immediately. Something seems to be going on in the computer when it starts up that is preventing Launcher from displaying. Other things I've tried in last 24 hours: 1. Excluded the DXLAB folder from Microsoft Defender 2. Updated definitions in Microsoft Defender 3. Set up the Start Menu in Windows so no programs are started when I start the computer. None of these worked. Launcher took 3-4 minutes to display. Later today, I will determine how long I have to wait to get Launcher to display immediately. Dennis W1UE On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 2:57 PM JTAlert Support (VK3AMA) <vk3ama.ham.apps@...> wrote:
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On 2/10/2023 2:57 PM, JTAlert Support (VK3AMA) wrote:
Something worth trying. Rather than starting Launcher immediately after starting/rebooting Windows. Delay the startup of Launcher for a few minutes to give Windows time to gets its house in order. Go and make a coffee or something so that you are not sitting fixated on what Windows is doing or not doing during its startup. After Windows has started and the PC usage has dropped to normal (idle) levels than start Launcher, does it start normally or are the delays still present?This. When I start up a Windows computer anymore, usually the first thing I do is run Task Manager (right-click on the task-bar, and select 'Task Manager'). What I typically find (once Task Manager itself gets caught up) is that on the Processes tab, the Disk column is pegged at 100%, apparently busy loading all of the processes that need to be started at boot time. How long this takes depends on the speed of your CPU and drives, and on how many extra things you have set up to start at boot. It can take several minutes. Unless I'm in a real hurry, I typically just let it sit until the ugly pink/red at the top of the Disk column (that indicates that this resource is being used *very* heavily) goes away. This is also why I normally leave the computer on, rather than shutting it down when I'm not using it. On the underpowered computer used in my ham shack, it can take an annoyingly long time to get to the idle state. Also, the computer, if left on, will do Windows Updates in the middle of the night (and will, occasionally, force a reboot if the update requires it) when you're not playing with it. Letting this happen avoids having Windows decide, when you're booting up to operate a contest, that there are updates that *must* be run *right now*, thereby delaying your start into the contest (particularly if the computer has sat in the off condition a long time). This happened to my brother, to his consternation (particularly given that he's an Apple fanboi). For this reason, if you don't leave the computer on all the time, don't expect to boot the computer just before contest time and start the contest on time. Get it started in plenty of time, so boot-time business and potential *must happen now* updates don't get in the way of operating. Ben -- Ben Coleman nj8j@... |
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Dave AA6YQ
+ AA6YQ comments below
On 2/10/2023 2:57 PM, JTAlert Support (VK3AMA) wrote: Something worth trying. Rather than starting Launcher immediatelyThis. When I start up a Windows computer anymore, usually the first thing I do is run Task Manager (right-click on the task-bar, and select 'Task Manager'). What I typically find (once Task Manager itself gets caught up) is that on the Processes tab, the Disk column is pegged at 100%, apparently busy loading all of the processes that need to be started at boot time. How long this takes depends on the speed of your CPU and drives, and on how many extra things you have set up to start at boot. It can take several minutes. Unless I'm in a real hurry, I typically just let it sit until the ugly pink/red at the top of the Disk column (that indicates that this resource is being used *very* heavily) goes away. This is also why I normally leave the computer on, rather than shutting it down when I'm not using it. On the underpowered computer used in my ham shack, it can take an annoyingly long time to get to the idle state. + That's fine, but reboot Windows at least once each week; otherwise, accumulating cruft will slow it down. Also, the computer, if left on, will do Windows Updates in the middle of the night (and will, occasionally, force a reboot if the update requires it) when you're not playing with it. Letting this happen avoids having Windows decide, when you're booting up to operate a contest, that there are updates that *must* be run *right now*, thereby delaying your start into the contest (particularly if the computer has sat in the off condition a long time). This happened to my brother, to his consternation (particularly given that he's an Apple fanboi). + Once upon a time, it was possible to configure Windows to download updates and notify you that they are available, but no install them until you direct it to do so. 73, Dave, AA6YQ |
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Install update when you want is still partially possible. You can set inactive hours and you can delay for some period of days (not sure how many) and whenever I get update it notifies me.
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From: DXLab@groups.io <DXLab@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 12:17 AM To: DXLab@groups.io Subject: Re: [DXLab] Launcher not starting + AA6YQ comments below On 2/10/2023 2:57 PM, JTAlert Support (VK3AMA) wrote: Something worth trying. Rather than starting Launcher immediatelyThis. When I start up a Windows computer anymore, usually the first thing I do is run Task Manager (right-click on the task-bar, and select 'Task Manager'). What I typically find (once Task Manager itself gets caught up) is that on the Processes tab, the Disk column is pegged at 100%, apparently busy loading all of the processes that need to be started at boot time. How long this takes depends on the speed of your CPU and drives, and on how many extra things you have set up to start at boot. It can take several minutes. Unless I'm in a real hurry, I typically just let it sit until the ugly pink/red at the top of the Disk column (that indicates that this resource is being used *very* heavily) goes away. This is also why I normally leave the computer on, rather than shutting it down when I'm not using it. On the underpowered computer used in my ham shack, it can take an annoyingly long time to get to the idle state. + That's fine, but reboot Windows at least once each week; otherwise, accumulating cruft will slow it down. Also, the computer, if left on, will do Windows Updates in the middle of the night (and will, occasionally, force a reboot if the update requires it) when you're not playing with it. Letting this happen avoids having Windows decide, when you're booting up to operate a contest, that there are updates that *must* be run *right now*, thereby delaying your start into the contest (particularly if the computer has sat in the off condition a long time). This happened to my brother, to his consternation (particularly given that he's an Apple fanboi). + Once upon a time, it was possible to configure Windows to download updates and notify you that they are available, but no install them until you direct it to do so. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -- W0MN EN34rb 44.08226 N 92.51265 W Hierro candente, batir de repente HP Laptop |
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On 3/25/2023 1:16 AM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:
Once upon a time, it was possible to configure Windows to download updates and notify you that they are available, but no install them until you direct it to do so.Yup. That changed because far too many people would never install updates, leaving their computers vulnerable to being infected, and becoming part of botnets, used to attack other computers. Taking away the ability to indefinitely defer updates was required, virtually in self-defense. Ben -- Ben Coleman nj8j@... |
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