Problem with AG LotW database


Gilbert Baron W0MN
 

Most of my log shows that most are AG in LotW but several that used to do not show or at least not in latest QSOes. K0MD and K9CT for instance are not marked with the AG color yet they both have uploaded to LotW, especially K0MD who has thousands of QSOes as a very active contester.

 

 

K0MD for example shows Yellow (My ag color) in 5 contacts in 2021 but not the contact Dec 3, 2022. I am sure I am missing something here. 😊

 

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Ken Bandy, KJ9B
 

“AG” refers to “Authenticity Guaranteed” on eQSL, and has nothing to do with LoTW, as far as I know.

 

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Ken, KJ9B

 

From: DXLab@groups.io <DXLab@groups.io> On Behalf Of Gilbert Baron W0MN
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2022 10:11 AM
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: [DXLab] Problem with AG LotW database

 

Most of my log shows that most are AG in LotW but several that used to do not show or at least not in latest QSOes. K0MD and K9CT for instance are not marked with the AG color yet they both have uploaded to LotW, especially K0MD who has thousands of QSOes as a very active contester.

 

 

K0MD for example shows Yellow (My ag color) in 5 contacts in 2021 but not the contact Dec 3, 2022. I am sure I am missing something here. 😊

 

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Joe Subich, W4TV
 

On 2022-12-04 10:10 AM, Gilbert Baron W0MN wrote:
Most of my log shows that most are AG in LotW
THERE IS NO *AG* IN LOTW.

K0MD and K9CT for instance are not marked with the AG color yet they both have uploaded to LotW, especially K0MD who has thousands of QSOes as a very active contester.
THERE IS NO AG IN LOTW. Both K0MD and K9CT are in the DXiew LotW
database with most recent upload dates in November. That matches
the information available in "Find Call" at LotW:
<https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/act>

AG is an eQSL concept and perhaps K0MD/K9CT have given up on eQSL
given its lack of security, rampant cheating, etc.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2022-12-04 10:10 AM, Gilbert Baron W0MN wrote:
Most of my log shows that most are AG in LotW but several that used to do not show or at least not in latest QSOes. K0MD and K9CT for instance are not marked with the AG color yet they both have uploaded to LotW, especially K0MD who has thousands of QSOes as a very active contester.
K0MD for example shows Yellow (My ag color) in 5 contacts in 2021 but not the contact Dec 3, 2022. I am sure I am missing something here. 😊
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Gilbert Baron W0MN
 

Perhaps I did not make this clear. I thought it was obvious but seems not. YES AG is NOT part of LoTW but it is part of DXKEEPER reports that show BASED ON A DATABASE IN DXLABS, if a user is using LoTW ad colors the line based on that database. It was not doing so for some of the latest DXKeeper entries but was doing so for the same call for other contacts. Clear ??"?


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-----Original Message-----
From: DXLab@groups.io <DXLab@groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: 04 December 2022 09:51
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: Re: [DXLab] Problem with AG LotW database

On 2022-12-04 10:10 AM, Gilbert Baron W0MN wrote:
> Most of my log shows that most are AG in LotW

THERE IS NO *AG* IN LOTW.

K0MD and K9CT for instance are not marked with the AG color yet they
both have uploaded to LotW, especially K0MD who has thousands of QSOes
as a very active contester.
THERE IS NO AG IN LOTW. Both K0MD and K9CT are in the DXiew LotW database with most recent upload dates in November. That matches the information available in "Find Call" at LotW:
<https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/act>

AG is an eQSL concept and perhaps K0MD/K9CT have given up on eQSL given its lack of security, rampant cheating, etc.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2022-12-04 10:10 AM, Gilbert Baron W0MN wrote:
Most of my log shows that most are AG in LotW but several that used to do not show or at least not in latest QSOes. K0MD and K9CT for instance are not marked with the AG color yet they both have uploaded to LotW, especially K0MD who has thousands of QSOes as a very active contester.





K0MD for example shows Yellow (My ag color) in 5 contacts in 2021 but
not the contact Dec 3, 2022. I am sure I am missing something here. 😊



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Joe Subich, W4TV
 

YES AG is NOT part of LoTW
The *WHY* are you asking about LotW in conjunction to LotW?

if a user is using LoTW ad colors the line based on that database.
The AG color *IS NOT BASED ON A STATION'S LOTW STATUS*

Checking K0MD and K9CT, both are shown as eQSL AG in the
current (2022-11-27) *eQSL* database (eQSLAG 2022-11-27.mdb).

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 2022-12-04 1:07 PM, Gilbert Baron W0MN wrote:
Perhaps I did not make this clear. I thought it was obvious but seems not. YES AG is NOT part of LoTW but it is part of DXKEEPER reports that show BASED ON A DATABASE IN DXLABS, if a user is using LoTW ad colors the line based on that database. It was not doing so for some of the latest DXKeeper entries but was doing so for the same call for other contacts. Clear ??"?
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-----Original Message-----
From: DXLab@groups.io <DXLab@groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: 04 December 2022 09:51
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: Re: [DXLab] Problem with AG LotW database
On 2022-12-04 10:10 AM, Gilbert Baron W0MN wrote:
> Most of my log shows that most are AG in LotW
THERE IS NO *AG* IN LOTW.

K0MD and K9CT for instance are not marked with the AG color yet they
both have uploaded to LotW, especially K0MD who has thousands of QSOes
as a very active contester.
THERE IS NO AG IN LOTW. Both K0MD and K9CT are in the DXiew LotW database with most recent upload dates in November. That matches the information available in "Find Call" at LotW:
<https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/act>
AG is an eQSL concept and perhaps K0MD/K9CT have given up on eQSL given its lack of security, rampant cheating, etc.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 2022-12-04 10:10 AM, Gilbert Baron W0MN wrote:
Most of my log shows that most are AG in LotW but several that used to do not show or at least not in latest QSOes. K0MD and K9CT for instance are not marked with the AG color yet they both have uploaded to LotW, especially K0MD who has thousands of QSOes as a very active contester.



K0MD for example shows Yellow (My ag color) in 5 contacts in 2021 but
not the contact Dec 3, 2022. I am sure I am missing something here. 😊


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Gilbert Baron W0MN
 

WHATEVER ! ag for eqsl (I care not about that though) KNOWN USER for LoTW. It colored some of the log entries for him and others it did not. In any case I assume it will be corrected eventually. You seem to have fun criticizing others post and yes at time giving correct answers too. For this thread, let us ed it and I will wait and see what happens. I am confident that if there is a problem here that Dave will fix it or tell me what I am doing wrong.

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-----Original Message-----
From: DXLab@groups.io <DXLab@groups.io> On Behalf Of Gilbert Baron W0MN via groups.io
Sent: 04 December 2022 12:07
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: Re: [DXLab] Problem with AG LotW database

Perhaps I did not make this clear. I thought it was obvious but seems not. YES AG is NOT part of LoTW but it is part of DXKEEPER reports that show BASED ON A DATABASE IN DXLABS, if a user is using LoTW ad colors the line based on that database. It was not doing so for some of the latest DXKeeper entries but was doing so for the same call for other contacts. Clear ??"?


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-----Original Message-----
From: DXLab@groups.io <DXLab@groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: 04 December 2022 09:51
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: Re: [DXLab] Problem with AG LotW database

On 2022-12-04 10:10 AM, Gilbert Baron W0MN wrote:
> Most of my log shows that most are AG in LotW

THERE IS NO *AG* IN LOTW.

K0MD and K9CT for instance are not marked with the AG color yet they
both have uploaded to LotW, especially K0MD who has thousands of QSOes
as a very active contester.
THERE IS NO AG IN LOTW. Both K0MD and K9CT are in the DXiew LotW database with most recent upload dates in November. That matches the information available in "Find Call" at LotW:
<https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/act>

AG is an eQSL concept and perhaps K0MD/K9CT have given up on eQSL given its lack of security, rampant cheating, etc.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2022-12-04 10:10 AM, Gilbert Baron W0MN wrote:
Most of my log shows that most are AG in LotW but several that used to do not show or at least not in latest QSOes. K0MD and K9CT for instance are not marked with the AG color yet they both have uploaded to LotW, especially K0MD who has thousands of QSOes as a very active contester.





K0MD for example shows Yellow (My ag color) in 5 contacts in 2021 but
not the contact Dec 3, 2022. I am sure I am missing something here. 😊



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Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below
Most of my log shows that most are AG in LotW but several that used to do not show or at least not in latest QSOes. K0MD and K9CT for instance are not marked with the AG color yet they both have uploaded to LotW, especially K0MD who has thousands of QSOes as a very active contester

+ There is no "AG LoTW database", as implied by the title of this post. DXLab includes an LoTW database, and eQSL database. The LoTW database includes every callsign that has ever submitted QSOs to LoTW, and the date of the most recent submission from each such callsign. The eQSL database contains the callsigns of all "Authenticity Guaranteed" members of eQSL. These databases are typically updated every two weeks.

+ Each logged QSO's "active LoTW participation" at the time it was logged or imported is recorded in its "LoTW Member" item:

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxkeeper/Help/Items.htm#LotW%20mem

+ When you log a new QSO or import a QSO with the "Update LotW membership" option enabled, DXKeeper queries the LoTW database with the QSO's callsign to determine if it has ever submitted QSOs to LoTW, and if so, when it last submitted a QSO. DXKeeper then consults the "Maximum age of most recent LoTW upload to be considered active" (months)" setting on the "QSL Configuration window's LoTW tab to determine whether the callsign is considered an active participant in LoTW: if so, the QSO's "LoTW Member" item is set to 'Y'; otherwise, it's set to "N".

+ When a logged QSO is visible in the Log Page Display, the Log Page Display entry's background color is set as a function of the QSO's LoTW member item.

+ Thus it is possible for a QSO with P5DX logged or imported one year ago to have its "LoTW Member" item set to 'Y', but a QSO with P5DX logged yesterday to have its "LoTW Member" item set to 'N'.

         73,

              Dave, AA6YQ

 


Gilbert Baron W0MN
 

Thanks for the explanation. Obviously I misunderstood how this  works but I have it now. All is well.

 

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From: DXLab@groups.io <DXLab@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
Sent: 04 December 2022 14:25
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: Re: [DXLab] Problem with AG LotW database

 

+ AA6YQ comments below

Most of my log shows that most are AG in LotW but several that used to do not show or at least not in latest QSOes. K0MD and K9CT for instance are not marked with the AG color yet they both have uploaded to LotW, especially K0MD who has thousands of QSOes as a very active contester

+ There is no "AG LoTW database", as implied by the title of this post. DXLab includes an LoTW database, and eQSL database. The LoTW database includes every callsign that has ever submitted QSOs to LoTW, and the date of the most recent submission from each such callsign. The eQSL database contains the callsigns of all "Authenticity Guaranteed" members of eQSL. These databases are typically updated every two weeks.

+ Each logged QSO's "active LoTW participation" at the time it was logged or imported is recorded in its "LoTW Member" item:

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxkeeper/Help/Items.htm#LotW%20mem

+ When you log a new QSO or import a QSO with the "Update LotW membership" option enabled, DXKeeper queries the LoTW database with the QSO's callsign to determine if it has ever submitted QSOs to LoTW, and if so, when it last submitted a QSO. DXKeeper then consults the "Maximum age of most recent LoTW upload to be considered active" (months)" setting on the "QSL Configuration window's LoTW tab to determine whether the callsign is considered an active participant in LoTW: if so, the QSO's "LoTW Member" item is set to 'Y'; otherwise, it's set to "N".

+ When a logged QSO is visible in the Log Page Display, the Log Page Display entry's background color is set as a function of the QSO's LoTW member item.

+ Thus it is possible for a QSO with P5DX logged or imported one year ago to have its "LoTW Member" item set to 'Y', but a QSO with P5DX logged yesterday to have its "LoTW Member" item set to 'N'.

         73,

              Dave, AA6YQ

 


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