Slow Startup of Apps in Windows 10


Bob Main
 

I finally got the nerve and moved to Windows 10 from Windows 7 back in January.  The changeover with more smoothly than I expected, but I had some issues, mostly between the ears, concerning how Windows 10 worked.  It took a couple days but all is working.  The only thing that I am finding are the programs are taking a while to start, at least longer than with Windows 7.  For example DXView is taking 35 seconds and I don’t think it took that long before.  I know this has been discussed before and there is also probably something in the DXLAb help file, but I am not getting any hits from my searches.  I know this has something to do with the search criteria that I am entering and discovered over the years that without proper terminology the search produces nothing.  I have already looked at the two articles that come up when I do a search for “Windows 10” and followed those directions right after the install.  Can anybody give me some clues how to do the search so that I can get on the right track?

 

For what it is worth I have been using DXLabs for the last 14 years, only big problem I have ever had was when I attempted to install the programs to use F8 with WinWarbler.  I followed the directions in the help file Never had any luck and found that those two programs “broke” what I actually had working in WinWarbler and finally deleted those programs and when I couldn’t figure out what was messed up in WinWarbler I deleted that too.  What was so bad was that I used to be able to do RTTY and PSK and using it and had finally gotten everything working again.  Then I installed the two programs and everything went south, but that is another problem.  Looking at the Windows 10 thing first.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

73, Bob KB4CL


Chuck, WS1L
 

I've seen that, it seems to get longer depending on how long my PC has been running since it was last rebooted.  I've looked at the error logging and really can't pin it down to anything in particular, I was suspecting DDE but that didn't seem to be a factor.  For now I've been unable to investigate further but I think this is the 3rd report so it is something...

73 de Chuck, WS1L

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 4:18 PM Bob Main <bobmain1@...> wrote:

I finally got the nerve and moved to Windows 10 from Windows 7 back in January.  The changeover with more smoothly than I expected, but I had some issues, mostly between the ears, concerning how Windows 10 worked.  It took a couple days but all is working.  The only thing that I am finding are the programs are taking a while to start, at least longer than with Windows 7.  For example DXView is taking 35 seconds and I don’t think it took that long before.  I know this has been discussed before and there is also probably something in the DXLAb help file, but I am not getting any hits from my searches.  I know this has something to do with the search criteria that I am entering and discovered over the years that without proper terminology the search produces nothing.  I have already looked at the two articles that come up when I do a search for “Windows 10” and followed those directions right after the install.  Can anybody give me some clues how to do the search so that I can get on the right track?

 

For what it is worth I have been using DXLabs for the last 14 years, only big problem I have ever had was when I attempted to install the programs to use F8 with WinWarbler.  I followed the directions in the help file Never had any luck and found that those two programs “broke” what I actually had working in WinWarbler and finally deleted those programs and when I couldn’t figure out what was messed up in WinWarbler I deleted that too.  What was so bad was that I used to be able to do RTTY and PSK and using it and had finally gotten everything working again.  Then I installed the two programs and everything went south, but that is another problem.  Looking at the Windows 10 thing first.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

73, Bob KB4CL



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Chuck Chandler
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ND9G Mike
 

I would suggest you start here:  https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/ApplicationInteference 

That gives you some common culprits to slow operation of the DX Labs applications. There are also some good steps to take to locate the issue.
 
73,
Mike ND9G


On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 4:18 PM Bob Main <bobmain1@...> wrote:

I finally got the nerve and moved to Windows 10 from Windows 7 back in January.  The changeover with more smoothly than I expected, but I had some issues, mostly between the ears, concerning how Windows 10 worked.  It took a couple days but all is working.  The only thing that I am finding are the programs are taking a while to start, at least longer than with Windows 7.  For example DXView is taking 35 seconds and I don’t think it took that long before.  I know this has been discussed before and there is also probably something in the DXLAb help file, but I am not getting any hits from my searches.  I know this has something to do with the search criteria that I am entering and discovered over the years that without proper terminology the search produces nothing.  I have already looked at the two articles that come up when I do a search for “Windows 10” and followed those directions right after the install.  Can anybody give me some clues how to do the search so that I can get on the right track?

 

For what it is worth I have been using DXLabs for the last 14 years, only big problem I have ever had was when I attempted to install the programs to use F8 with WinWarbler.  I followed the directions in the help file Never had any luck and found that those two programs “broke” what I actually had working in WinWarbler and finally deleted those programs and when I couldn’t figure out what was messed up in WinWarbler I deleted that too.  What was so bad was that I used to be able to do RTTY and PSK and using it and had finally gotten everything working again.  Then I installed the two programs and everything went south, but that is another problem.  Looking at the Windows 10 thing first.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

73, Bob KB4CL


Bob Main
 

Thanks Chuck.  I usually leave my computer on all the time, that way I don’t have to wait for it to boot up.  So maybe that might explain it except I left it on when I had Windows 7 too.

 

73, Bob KB4CL

 

From: DXLab@groups.io [mailto:DXLab@groups.io] On Behalf Of Chuck, WS1L
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:36 PM
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: Re: [DXLab] Slow Startup of Apps in Windows 10

 

I've seen that, it seems to get longer depending on how long my PC has been running since it was last rebooted.  I've looked at the error logging and really can't pin it down to anything in particular, I was suspecting DDE but that didn't seem to be a factor.  For now I've been unable to investigate further but I think this is the 3rd report so it is something...

 

73 de Chuck, WS1L

 

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 4:18 PM Bob Main <bobmain1@...> wrote:

I finally got the nerve and moved to Windows 10 from Windows 7 back in January.  The changeover with more smoothly than I expected, but I had some issues, mostly between the ears, concerning how Windows 10 worked.  It took a couple days but all is working.  The only thing that I am finding are the programs are taking a while to start, at least longer than with Windows 7.  For example DXView is taking 35 seconds and I don’t think it took that long before.  I know this has been discussed before and there is also probably something in the DXLAb help file, but I am not getting any hits from my searches.  I know this has something to do with the search criteria that I am entering and discovered over the years that without proper terminology the search produces nothing.  I have already looked at the two articles that come up when I do a search for “Windows 10” and followed those directions right after the install.  Can anybody give me some clues how to do the search so that I can get on the right track?

 

For what it is worth I have been using DXLabs for the last 14 years, only big problem I have ever had was when I attempted to install the programs to use F8 with WinWarbler.  I followed the directions in the help file Never had any luck and found that those two programs “broke” what I actually had working in WinWarbler and finally deleted those programs and when I couldn’t figure out what was messed up in WinWarbler I deleted that too.  What was so bad was that I used to be able to do RTTY and PSK and using it and had finally gotten everything working again.  Then I installed the two programs and everything went south, but that is another problem.  Looking at the Windows 10 thing first.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

73, Bob KB4CL


 

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Chuck Chandler

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Bob Main
 

Thanks Mike, I’ll take a look at it.

 

73, Bob KB4CL

 

From: DXLab@groups.io [mailto:DXLab@groups.io] On Behalf Of ND9G Mike
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:42 PM
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: Re: [DXLab] Slow Startup of Apps in Windows 10

 

I would suggest you start here:  https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/ApplicationInteference 

 

That gives you some common culprits to slow operation of the DX Labs applications. There are also some good steps to take to locate the issue.

 

73,

Mike ND9G

 

 

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 4:18 PM Bob Main <bobmain1@...> wrote:

I finally got the nerve and moved to Windows 10 from Windows 7 back in January.  The changeover with more smoothly than I expected, but I had some issues, mostly between the ears, concerning how Windows 10 worked.  It took a couple days but all is working.  The only thing that I am finding are the programs are taking a while to start, at least longer than with Windows 7.  For example DXView is taking 35 seconds and I don’t think it took that long before.  I know this has been discussed before and there is also probably something in the DXLAb help file, but I am not getting any hits from my searches.  I know this has something to do with the search criteria that I am entering and discovered over the years that without proper terminology the search produces nothing.  I have already looked at the two articles that come up when I do a search for “Windows 10” and followed those directions right after the install.  Can anybody give me some clues how to do the search so that I can get on the right track?

 

For what it is worth I have been using DXLabs for the last 14 years, only big problem I have ever had was when I attempted to install the programs to use F8 with WinWarbler.  I followed the directions in the help file Never had any luck and found that those two programs “broke” what I actually had working in WinWarbler and finally deleted those programs and when I couldn’t figure out what was messed up in WinWarbler I deleted that too.  What was so bad was that I used to be able to do RTTY and PSK and using it and had finally gotten everything working again.  Then I installed the two programs and everything went south, but that is another problem.  Looking at the Windows 10 thing first.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

73, Bob KB4CL


w6de
 

Your slow start-up of the DXLabs aps is likely due to the anti-virus software you are running.  I did see this when I was running Windows-7.  With Win-10 I use the Microsoft supplied Virus protection and do the following:

Enter the virus software and mark each DXLab executable as excluded.  If you are using the virus protection security provided by Windows-10:

Windows-10 doesn’t make it easy to select find the Virus Exclusions.  Be patient and follow all the steps.

Click the windows flag in the lower left corner of the screen, select the gear symbol (Settings),  Select Virus & threat protection,  Select ‘Virus and threat protection settings’ scroll-down and under Exclusions select ‘Manage settings’, in manage scroll-down and under Exclusions select ‘add or remove exclusions’, click “Add an exclusion.  Then one-at-a-time navigate to each DXLab executable and select the appropriate executable.  While you are at it also select any other ham radio executable, e.g., WSJT-X.

I have found in previous versions of Microsoft Windows virus protection to work as expected by just selecting the DXLabs folder, probably has something to due to updating the executable within that folder. Without doing any more exclusion activity.

 

I have no guidance on your WinWarbler issues.

 

Dave, W6DE

 

From: DXLab@groups.io [mailto:DXLab@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Main
Sent: 27 February, 2020 22:18
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: [DXLab] Slow Startup of Apps in Windows 10

 

I finally got the nerve and moved to Windows 10 from Windows 7 back in January.  The changeover with more smoothly than I expected, but I had some issues, mostly between the ears, concerning how Windows 10 worked.  It took a couple days but all is working.  The only thing that I am finding are the programs are taking a while to start, at least longer than with Windows 7.  For example DXView is taking 35 seconds and I don’t think it took that long before.  I know this has been discussed before and there is also probably something in the DXLAb help file, but I am not getting any hits from my searches.  I know this has something to do with the search criteria that I am entering and discovered over the years that without proper terminology the search produces nothing.  I have already looked at the two articles that come up when I do a search for “Windows 10” and followed those directions right after the install.  Can anybody give me some clues how to do the search so that I can get on the right track?

 

For what it is worth I have been using DXLabs for the last 14 years, only big problem I have ever had was when I attempted to install the programs to use F8 with WinWarbler.  I followed the directions in the help file Never had any luck and found that those two programs “broke” what I actually had working in WinWarbler and finally deleted those programs and when I couldn’t figure out what was messed up in WinWarbler I deleted that too.  What was so bad was that I used to be able to do RTTY and PSK and using it and had finally gotten everything working again.  Then I installed the two programs and everything went south, but that is another problem.  Looking at the Windows 10 thing first.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

73, Bob KB4CL


Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

I finally got the nerve and moved to Windows 10 from Windows 7 back in January. The changeover with more smoothly than I expected,
but I had some issues, mostly between the ears, concerning how Windows 10 worked. It took a couple days but all is working. The
only thing that I am finding are the programs are taking a while to start, at least longer than with Windows 7. For example DXView
is taking 35 seconds and I don't think it took that long before. I know this has been discussed before and there is also probably
something in the DXLAb help file, but I am not getting any hits from my searches. I know this has something to do with the search
criteria that I am entering and discovered over the years that without proper terminology the search produces nothing. I have
already looked at the two articles that come up when I do a search for "Windows 10" and followed those directions right after the
install. Can anybody give me some clues how to do the search so that I can get on the right track?

+ I can remember no case of "slow application startup" over the past 19 years that wasn't the result of interference from another
application.

+ The culprit is almost always a misconfigured or incompetent anti-malware application.

+ A few other applications have been found to interfere; they are listed here:

<https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/ApplicationInteference>

+ Reminder: never delete an installed Windows application before first directing Windows to uninstall it. You can determine if an
application is installed by running the "Uninstall a program" applet accessible via the Windows Control Panel; this applet displays
a list of installed programs.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Bob Main
 

I did run the "uninstall a program" to remove the programs. Otherwise you
have all sort of junk left in the registry that could cause problems.

73, Bob KB4CL

-----Original Message-----
From: DXLab@groups.io [mailto:DXLab@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:22 PM
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: Re: [DXLab] Slow Startup of Apps in Windows 10

+ AA6YQ comments below

I finally got the nerve and moved to Windows 10 from Windows 7 back in
January. The changeover with more smoothly than I expected,
but I had some issues, mostly between the ears, concerning how Windows 10
worked. It took a couple days but all is working. The
only thing that I am finding are the programs are taking a while to start,
at least longer than with Windows 7. For example DXView
is taking 35 seconds and I don't think it took that long before. I know
this has been discussed before and there is also probably
something in the DXLAb help file, but I am not getting any hits from my
searches. I know this has something to do with the search
criteria that I am entering and discovered over the years that without
proper terminology the search produces nothing. I have
already looked at the two articles that come up when I do a search for
"Windows 10" and followed those directions right after the
install. Can anybody give me some clues how to do the search so that I can
get on the right track?

+ I can remember no case of "slow application startup" over the past 19
years that wasn't the result of interference from another
application.

+ The culprit is almost always a misconfigured or incompetent anti-malware
application.

+ A few other applications have been found to interfere; they are listed
here:

<https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/ApplicationInteference>

+ Reminder: never delete an installed Windows application before first
directing Windows to uninstall it. You can determine if an
application is installed by running the "Uninstall a program" applet
accessible via the Windows Control Panel; this applet displays
a list of installed programs.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Buck
 

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On 2/27/2020 5:42 PM, ND9G Mike wrote:
I would suggest you start here: https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/ApplicationInteference
That gives you some common culprits to slow operation of the DX Labs applications. There are also some good steps to take to locate the issue.
73,
Mike ND9G
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 4:18 PM Bob Main <bobmain1@windstream.net <mailto:bobmain1@windstream.net>> wrote:
I finally got the nerve and moved to Windows 10 from Windows 7 back
in January.  The changeover with more smoothly than I expected, but
I had some issues, mostly between the ears, concerning how Windows
10 worked.  It took a couple days but all is working.  The only
thing that I am finding are the programs are taking a while to
start, at least longer than with Windows 7.  For example DXView is
taking 35 seconds and I don’t think it took that long before.  I
know this has been discussed before and there is also probably
something in the DXLAb help file, but I am not getting any hits from
my searches.  I know this has something to do with the search
criteria that I am entering and discovered over the years that
without proper terminology the search produces nothing.  I have
already looked at the two articles that come up when I do a search
for “Windows 10” and followed those directions right after the
install.  Can anybody give me some clues how to do the search so
that I can get on the right track?____
__ __
For what it is worth I have been using DXLabs for the last 14 years,
only big problem I have ever had was when I attempted to install the
programs to use F8 with WinWarbler.  I followed the directions in
the help file Never had any luck and found that those two programs
“broke” what I actually had working in WinWarbler and finally
deleted those programs and when I couldn’t figure out what was
messed up in WinWarbler I deleted that too.  What was so bad was
that I used to be able to do RTTY and PSK and using it and had
finally gotten everything working again.  Then I installed the two
programs and everything went south, but that is another problem. Looking at the Windows 10 thing first.____
__ __
Thanks in advance.____
__ __
73, Bob KB4CL____


Bob Main
 

Dave, that was it.  I also use what Microsoft provides for antivirus and but couldn’t figure out how to exclude the files.  Your instructions told me what I needed.  Of course after entering the files I tried DXView again and it still took about 35 seconds.  Then I thought “Hey dummy reboot”.  After the reboot DXview started in less than 10 seconds.

 

As for the WinWarbler stuff it was the WSIT-X and its associated program that was needed that broke WinWarber.  I never did figure those problems but I did uninstall all three files.  I used to be a network administrator and also worked the Help Desk so not totally dumb about what to do to remove a program.

 

Have a good weekend and happy DXing.

 

73, Bob KB4CL

 

From: DXLab@groups.io [mailto:DXLab@groups.io] On Behalf Of w6de
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:01 PM
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: Re: [DXLab] Slow Startup of Apps in Windows 10

 

Your slow start-up of the DXLabs aps is likely due to the anti-virus software you are running.  I did see this when I was running Windows-7.  With Win-10 I use the Microsoft supplied Virus protection and do the following:

Enter the virus software and mark each DXLab executable as excluded.  If you are using the virus protection security provided by Windows-10:

Windows-10 doesn’t make it easy to select find the Virus Exclusions.  Be patient and follow all the steps.

Click the windows flag in the lower left corner of the screen, select the gear symbol (Settings),  Select Virus & threat protection,  Select ‘Virus and threat protection settings’ scroll-down and under Exclusions select ‘Manage settings’, in manage scroll-down and under Exclusions select ‘add or remove exclusions’, click “Add an exclusion.  Then one-at-a-time navigate to each DXLab executable and select the appropriate executable.  While you are at it also select any other ham radio executable, e.g., WSJT-X.

I have found in previous versions of Microsoft Windows virus protection to work as expected by just selecting the DXLabs folder, probably has something to due to updating the executable within that folder. Without doing any more exclusion activity.

 

I have no guidance on your WinWarbler issues.

 

Dave, W6DE

 

From: DXLab@groups.io [mailto:DXLab@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Main
Sent: 27 February, 2020 22:18
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: [DXLab] Slow Startup of Apps in Windows 10

 

I finally got the nerve and moved to Windows 10 from Windows 7 back in January.  The changeover with more smoothly than I expected, but I had some issues, mostly between the ears, concerning how Windows 10 worked.  It took a couple days but all is working.  The only thing that I am finding are the programs are taking a while to start, at least longer than with Windows 7.  For example DXView is taking 35 seconds and I don’t think it took that long before.  I know this has been discussed before and there is also probably something in the DXLAb help file, but I am not getting any hits from my searches.  I know this has something to do with the search criteria that I am entering and discovered over the years that without proper terminology the search produces nothing.  I have already looked at the two articles that come up when I do a search for “Windows 10” and followed those directions right after the install.  Can anybody give me some clues how to do the search so that I can get on the right track?

 

For what it is worth I have been using DXLabs for the last 14 years, only big problem I have ever had was when I attempted to install the programs to use F8 with WinWarbler.  I followed the directions in the help file Never had any luck and found that those two programs “broke” what I actually had working in WinWarbler and finally deleted those programs and when I couldn’t figure out what was messed up in WinWarbler I deleted that too.  What was so bad was that I used to be able to do RTTY and PSK and using it and had finally gotten everything working again.  Then I installed the two programs and everything went south, but that is another problem.  Looking at the Windows 10 thing first.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

73, Bob KB4CL