Kenwood TS-850 and Commander settings
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Ed Douglass
Would someone tell me the correct settings so that my Kenwood TS-850 and Commander will “communicate” with each other? Using COM2 of a dual COM port card in a PCI slot. Windows Device Manager says the drivers are up to date and the device is working. Using a W1GEE TTL device made for the TS-850 that connects between COM2 and the ACC1 port of the TS-850. This equipment has worked in the past. Got a better motherboard. Windows 10 fully updated. Haven’t found the right permutations and combinations in the Commander Config settings to make the Commander and the TS-850 “talk” to each other. (Using COM3 and another W1GEE device for PTT.) Please help! Ed
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Settings 8 N 2 4800 sometimes you can get them to work with a baud rate of 9600 but go to commander config and select kenwood slow. 73 Tony wa4jqs At 04:57 PM 7/23/2017, you wrote: Would someone tell me the correct settings so that my Kenwood TS-850 and Commander will “communicate� with each other? Using COM2 of a dual COM port card in a PCI slot. Windows Device Manager says the drivers are up to date and the device is working. Using a W1GEE TTL device made for the TS-850 that connects between COM2 and the ACC1 port of the TS-850. This equipment has worked in the past. Got a better motherboard. Windows 10 fully updated. Haven’t found the right permutations and combinations in the Commander Config settings to make the Commander and the TS-850 “talk� to each other. (Using COM3 and another W1GEE device for PTT.) Please help! Ed
Anthony W.DePrato WA4JQS since 1962
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ve3ki
You also need to set RTS on. See <http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/TranceiverControlKenwood>. 73, Rich VE3KI ---In dxlab@..., <wa4jqs@...> wrote : Settings 8 N 2 4800 sometimes you can get them to work with a baud rate of 9600 but go to commander config and select kenwood slow. 73 Tony wa4jqs
At 04:57 PM 7/23/2017, you wrote: Would someone tell me the correct settings so that my Kenwood TS-850 and Commander will âcommunicateâ with each other? Using COM2 of a dual COM port card in a PCI slot. Windows Device Manager says the drivers are up to date and the device is working. Using a W1GEE TTL device made for the TS-850 that connects between COM2 and the ACC1 port of the TS-850. This equipment has worked in the past. Got a better motherboard. Windows 10 fully updated. Havenât found the right permutations and combinations in the Commander Config settings to make the Commander and the TS-850 âtalkâ to each other. (Using COM3 and another W1GEE device for PTT.) Please help! Ed
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Ed Douglass
Ports tab: Primary CAT Serial Port: COM2, 4800, 8, N, 2, DTR On, RTS On
General Tab: Kenwood, Interrogation checked, 200 ms Command interval, Scan well = 1; Ignore Mousewheel, Use multiple monitors and Log debugging info are checked VFO A: continues to read 000,000.00. Clicking PTT TX does nothing; changing the TS-850 frequency or mode is not reflected in Commander readout; changing anything on the TS-850 is not reflected in Commander window. No joy yet. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ve3iay@gmail.com [dxlab] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:29 PM To: dxlab@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [dxlab] Kenwood TS-850 and Commander settings You also need to set RTS on. See <http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/TranceiverControlKenwood>. 73, Rich VE3KI ---In dxlab@yahoogroups.com, <wa4jqs@...> wrote : Settings 8 N 2 4800 sometimes you can get them to work with a baud rate of 9600 but go to commander config and select kenwood slow. 73 Tony wa4jqs At 04:57 PM 7/23/2017, you wrote: Would someone tell me the correct settings so that my Kenwood TS-850 and Commander will âcommunicateâ with each other? Using COM2 of a dual COM port card in a PCI slot. Windows Device Manager says the drivers are up to date and the device is working. Using a W1GEE TTL device made for the TS-850 that connects between COM2 and the ACC1 port of the TS-850. This equipment has worked in the past. Got a better motherboard. Windows 10 fully updated. Havenât found the right permutations and combinations in the Commander Config settings to make the Commander and the TS-850 âtalkâ to each other. (Using COM3 and another W1GEE device for PTT.) Please help! Ed Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Virus-free. www.avg.com Anthony W.DePrato WA4JQS since 1962 CQ DX HALL OF FAME # 35 DXCC HONOR ROLL DXPEDITION OF THE YEAR 1992 VP8SSI DXPEDITION OF THE YEAR 1993/1994 3Y0PI VP8SSI 3Y0PI VP8BZL V31SS ZD8JQS WA4JQS/ZS1 WA4JQS/KC4 WA4JQS/4K1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Dwight Bosselman
dtr on - not log debug - not
On 7/23/2017 4:42 PM, Ed Douglass
aa9ozham@... [dxlab] wrote:
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Ed Douglass
Dwight: log debugging info: not checkedDTR: off
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:58 PM, dgb ns9i@... [dxlab] <dxlab@...> wrote:
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Ed Douglass
Concert just cancelled because of high winds in Sister Bay. Should have some time this evening to work on my problem.
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Ed Douglass <aa9ozham@...> wrote:
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Ed Douglass
The IF-232C interface being used is the LCU3-K made by W1GEE. Made for Kenwood radios. Software must assert RTS for the TTL interface to receive power. No other instructions. Plug 'n play in terms of hardware. It's the software settings that have to be right for Commander and the TS-850 to "talk".
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Ed Douglass <aa9ozham@...> wrote:
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Bob Main
May be that Windows 10 assigned a different COM port number than 2. I have a USB to COM port adapter and when I installed a new driver the ports changed. So might want to check that.
73, Bob KB4CL
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:58 PM To: dxlab@... Subject: Re: [dxlab] Kenwood TS-850 and Commander settings
The IF-232C interface being used is the LCU3-K made by W1GEE. Made for Kenwood radios. Software must assert RTS for the TTL interface to receive power. No other instructions. Plug 'n play in terms of hardware. It's the software settings that have to be right for Commander and the TS-850 to "talk".
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Ed Douglass <aa9ozham@...> wrote: Concert just cancelled because of high winds in Sister Bay. Should have some time this evening to work on my problem.
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Ed Douglass <aa9ozham@...> wrote: Dwight: log debugging info: not checked Still no joy. Gotta go play with the Peninsula Symphonic Band. Concert in Sister Bay. Thanks for the help so far.
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:58 PM, dgb ns9i@... [dxlab] <dxlab@...> wrote:
dtr on - not log debug - not
On 7/23/2017 4:42 PM, Ed Douglass aa9ozham@... [dxlab] wrote:
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Ed Douglass
Thanks, Bob. Just did check the port number assignments and Device Manager tells me that this dual serial port card (now ASIX MCS9835) is assigned as ports 2 and 3. In Device Manager, set the parameters to 4800, 8, None, 2 and no flow control. The two ports were set at 9600. Also re-updated the ASIX driver for this card. No changes observed.
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 6:05 PM, 'Bob Main' bobmain1@... [dxlab] <dxlab@...> wrote:
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Dwight Bosselman
I would unplug both from the PC, watching device
driver, then plug the 850 in to see what port it shows up on DD.
On 7/23/2017 6:28 PM, Ed Douglass
aa9ozham@... [dxlab] wrote:
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Dave AA6YQ
Make sure
- Commander's interrogation is enabled, with an interval of 200 ms - the serial port's RTS is set to "ON" - the radio and Commander are set to the same baud rate - you're using the correct "variety" of serial cable (straight-through vs. null modem) - there are no bent pins Otherwise, there's a hardware problem. 73, Dave, AA6YQ From: dxlab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dxlab@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 7:29 PM To: dxlab@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [dxlab] Kenwood TS-850 and Commander settings Thanks, Bob. Just did check the port number assignments and Device Manager tells me that this dual serial port card (now ASIX MCS9835) is assigned as ports 2 and 3. In Device Manager, set the parameters to 4800, 8, None, 2 and no flow control. The two ports were set at 9600. Also re-updated the ASIX driver for this card. No changes observed. On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 6:05 PM, 'Bob Main' bobmain1@windstream.net [dxlab] <dxlab@yahoogroups.com> wrote: May be that Windows 10 assigned a different COM port number than 2. I have a USB to COM port adapter and when I installed a new driver the ports changed. So might want to check that. 73, Bob KB4CL From: dxlab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dxlab@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:58 PM To: dxlab@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [dxlab] Kenwood TS-850 and Commander settings The IF-232C interface being used is the LCU3-K made by W1GEE. Made for Kenwood radios. Software must assert RTS for the TTL interface to receive power. No other instructions. Plug 'n play in terms of hardware. It's the software settings that have to be right for Commander and the TS-850 to "talk". On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Ed Douglass <aa9ozham@gmail.com> wrote: Concert just cancelled because of high winds in Sister Bay. Should have some time this evening to work on my problem. On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Ed Douglass <aa9ozham@gmail.com> wrote: Dwight: DTR: off log debugging info: not checked Still no joy. Gotta go play with the Peninsula Symphonic Band. Concert in Sister Bay. Thanks for the help so far. On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:58 PM, dgb ns9i@bayland.net [dxlab] <dxlab@yahoogroups.com> wrote: dtr on - not log debug - not On 7/23/2017 4:42 PM, Ed Douglass aa9ozham@gmail.com [dxlab] wrote: Ports tab: Primary CAT Serial Port: COM2, 4800, 8, N, 2, DTR On, RTS On General Tab: Kenwood, Interrogation checked, 200 ms Command interval, Scan well = 1; Ignore Mousewheel, Use multiple monitors and Log debugging info are checked VFO A: continues to read 000,000.00. Clicking PTT TX does nothing; changing the TS-850 frequency or mode is not reflected in Commander readout; changing anything on the TS-850 is not reflected in Commander window. No joy yet. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ve3iay@gmail.com [dxlab] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:29 PM To: dxlab@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [dxlab] Kenwood TS-850 and Commander settings You also need to set RTS on. See <http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/TranceiverControlKenwood>. 73, Rich VE3KI ---In dxlab@yahoogroups.com, <wa4jqs@...> wrote : Settings 8 N 2 4800 sometimes you can get them to work with a baud rate of 9600 but go to commander config and select kenwood slow. 73 Tony wa4jqs At 04:57 PM 7/23/2017, you wrote: Would someone tell me the correct settings so that my Kenwood TS-850 and Commander will “communicate†with each other? Using COM2 of a dual COM port card in a PCI slot. Windows Device Manager says the drivers are up to date and the device is working. Using a W1GEE TTL device made for the TS-850 that connects between COM2 and the ACC1 port of the TS-850. This equipment has worked in the past. Got a better motherboard. Windows 10 fully updated. Haven’t found the right permutations and combinations in the Commander Config settings to make the Commander and the TS-850 “talk†to each other. (Using COM3 and another W1GEE device for PTT.) Please help! Ed Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Virus-free. www.avg.com Anthony W.DePrato WA4JQS since 1962 CQ DX HALL OF FAME # 35 DXCC HONOR ROLL DXPEDITION OF THE YEAR 1992 VP8SSI DXPEDITION OF THE YEAR 1993/1994 3Y0PI VP8SSI 3Y0PI VP8BZL V31SS ZD8JQS WA4JQS/ZS1 WA4JQS/KC4 WA4JQS/4K1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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try setting the port to 4800 baud
Anthony W.DePrato WA4JQS since 1962
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Ed Douglass
Thanks, Dave. All of your setting suggestions are what I have been using. The serial cable is not the null modem type. There are no bent pins. The dual serial port is old. The manufacturer was NetMos Technology. In November 2012, NetMos was acquired by MosChip Semiconductor. The driver number was NM9835S. It could the 98 in the number is a reference to Windows 98? That old?? In February of this year, the company that is responsible and supplies drivers became ASIX Electronics. Their driver number, MCS9835, is version 2.0.4.0 It is digitally signed by Microsoft Windows Compatibility Publisher.
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 7:48 PM, 'Dave AA6YQ' aa6yq@... [dxlab] <dxlab@...> wrote:
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Ed Douglass
Antonio, Have tried both 4800 and 9600 with both 1 and 2 stop bits. None of these combinations work. Thanks for the suggestion.
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 8:16 PM, 'Anthony W. DePrato' wa4jqs@... [dxlab] <dxlab@...> wrote:
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Dave AA6YQ
>>>AA6YQ comments below
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:38 PM To: dxlab@... Subject: Re: [dxlab] Kenwood TS-850 and Commander settings Thanks, Dave. All of your setting suggestions are what I have been using. The serial cable is not the null modem type. There are no bent pins. The dual serial port is old. The manufacturer was NetMos Technology. In November 2012, NetMos was acquired by MosChip Semiconductor. The driver number was NM9835S. It could the 98 in the number is a reference to Windows 98? That old?? In February of this year, the company that is responsible and supplies drivers became ASIX Electronics. Their driver number, MCS9835, is version 2.0.4.0 It is digitally signed by Microsoft Windows Compatibility Publisher. Here's a thought. This card was working in Windows 7. I think it has not worked since I changed the motherboard and began using Windows 10, 64 bit. Could it be that this old dual port card can no longer make it in the W10 environment? This would fit your suspicion that I have a hardware problem and not a DXLab software issue.
>>>Since there are no reported but uncorrected defects in Commander, and since many ops successfully use Commander with Kenwood radios every day, it is unlikely that your situation is the result of a defect in Commander.
>>>If you have an oscilloscope, monitor the radio’s CAT port’s TX data pin to see if there’s any response to the CAT commands being sent by Commander.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
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Ed Douglass
Thanks for your continuing interest, Dave. No scope here so I can't follow your suggestion.
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 8:56 PM, 'Dave AA6YQ' aa6yq@... [dxlab] <dxlab@...> wrote:
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Ed Douglass
Dave, I think you are right. I have a hardware problem, not a problem with DXLab. One problem is my old dual port serial PCI card. It didn't like the Windows 10 environment. I have replaced it with a dual port PCIe card and it and a driver are getting along with Windows 10 just fine.The DXLab Wiki pages about interfacing Kenwood radios to Commander and the other relevant DXLab apps is not specific enough for me and my TS-850SAT, both of which are old! Who makes or has a cable that will go from the 6-pin DIN ACC1 socket on the TS-850, do the conversion, and deliver the result to either a DB9 serial or USB plug? What are the proper CAT settings for the TS-850 in Commander? My ultimate hardware problem is the Kenwood TS-850 that was not designed to work into a computer running software like the DXLab Suites. As a kind friend said to me this morning: get a radio that belongs to this century and you won't be having interfacing problems! Help from you and/or the DXLab users would be appreciated very much. Ed, AA9OZ (ex 7P8DX)
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 8:56 PM, 'Dave AA6YQ' aa6yq@... [dxlab] <dxlab@...> wrote:
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Dave AA6YQ
-----Original Message-----AA6YQ comments below From: dxlab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dxlab@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 11:57 AM To: dxlab@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [dxlab] Kenwood TS-850 and Commander settings Dave, I think you are right. I have a hardware problem, not a problem with DXLab. One problem is my old dual port serial PCI card. It didn't like the Windows 10 environment. I have replaced it with a dual port PCIe card and it and a driver are getting along with Windows 10 just fine. Another likely problem may be that the W1GEE LCU3-K TTL level converter I have been using may have died. I have no way to test it. The data output of a Kenwood T-850 has to be converted to something a computer can work with. The DXLab Wiki pages about interfacing Kenwood radios to Commander and the other relevant DXLab apps is not specific enough for me and my TS-850SAT, both of which are old! Who makes or has a cable that will go from the 6-pin DIN ACC1 socket on the TS-850, do the conversion, and deliver the result to either a DB9 serial or USB plug? <https://www.piexx.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=23&zenid=pt6tqqncngt5tir3rociqq6ei4>See What are the proper CAT settings for the TS-850 in Commander? <http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/TranceiverControlKenwood>The settings are specified here: My ultimate hardware problem is the Kenwood TS-850 that was not designed to work into a computer running software like the DXLab Suites.Contact Piexx to determine the appropriate baud rate, as this information is not specified in the documentation available online. 73,That's not correct. Kenwood offered an interface to enable computer control of your TS-850 -- the IF-232C - but this product is no longer availabl. You can either purchase a used IF-232C, or use a replacement product like that provided by Piexx. Dave, AA6YQ
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Joe Subich, W4TV
Who makes or has a cable that will go from the 6-pin DIN ACC1 socketHere is information on rolling your own: RS-232: <http://www.egloff.eu/index.php/en/la-technique/le-ts850/interface-de-telecommande> USB: <http://fweb.wallawalla.edu/~frohro//SDR/USB%20Interface/IF-232%20USB%20Replacement.html> "Commercial" cables can be found on e-Bay (look for "Kenwood RS-232 cables"). What are the proper CAT settings for the TS-850 in Commander?The serial interface of the TS-850 is fixed at 4800 8N2 per the Kenwood TS-850 PC (CAT) manual. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/29/2017 11:56 AM, Ed Douglass aa9ozham@gmail.com [dxlab] wrote: Dave, I think you are right. I have a hardware problem, not a problem with
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