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WinWarbler 2.1.7 is available

Dave, AA6YQ <dhb@...>
 

This release corrects the defect reported by Ben below.

To upgrade, follow the instructions in
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/development.htm -- you'll be downloading
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/WinWarbler217Update.exe .

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Kraaijenhagen [mailto:PD5SAM@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:26 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Hello Dave,

The frequencies shown under Receive channel and under Transmit.
Frequencies
above 100 MHz lost the first digit. I can send you a private mail with a
screenshot if you like....

73, Ben

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Verzonden: donderdag 13 december 2001 4:36
Aan: dxlab@...
Onderwerp: RE: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available


Ben, I'm not seeing this behavior, but perhaps I'm looking in the wrong
place. Where specifically are you seeing these erroneous frequencies?

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Kraaijenhagen [mailto:PD5SAM@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:08 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Just a little cosmetic error: frequencies above the 6m band shows up
wrong.
E.g 144.600,000 shows up as 44.600,000 :-)


Re: WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Richard B Drake
 

I have a pet peeve on PSK31. It's not WinWarbler's fault Dave, but perhaps
WinWarbler could fix it. People who type their callsigns as W3ZJ...W3ZJ and
give their names as Rich...Rich. Do you know what happens when you try to
click that into the log? :-) We could holler at them and ask them to stop
that nonsense or we could make "." a delimiter since it doesn't normally
appear in callsigns or names. What do you think?

----
73, Rich - W3ZJ


Re: WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Dave, AA6YQ <dhb@...>
 

I see it now - should be a quick fix. Thanks!

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Kraaijenhagen [mailto:PD5SAM@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:26 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Hello Dave,

The frequencies shown under Receive channel and under Transmit.
Frequencies
above 100 MHz lost the first digit. I can send you a private mail with a
screenshot if you like....

73, Ben

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Verzonden: donderdag 13 december 2001 4:36
Aan: dxlab@...
Onderwerp: RE: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available


Ben, I'm not seeing this behavior, but perhaps I'm looking in the wrong
place. Where specifically are you seeing these erroneous frequencies?

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Kraaijenhagen [mailto:PD5SAM@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:08 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Just a little cosmetic error: frequencies above the 6m band shows up
wrong.
E.g 144.600,000 shows up as 44.600,000 :-)

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Verzonden: woensdag 12 december 2001 8:08
Aan: dxlab@...
Onderwerp: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available


This version lets you position red and blue markers above the waterfall
or spectrum display. You can specify the audio frequency of each marker
in the Audio Frequency Markers panel on the Configuration window's
General tab. Rich, W3ZJ, suggested this mechanism as a convenient means
visually zero-beating CW signals; these markers could also be used to
setup adjustable filters.

To upgrade, follow the instructions in
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/development.htm -- you'll be downloading
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/WinWarbler216Update.exe . This process
will update your online help.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ






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Re: How to report bugs effectively

jim.steel <jim.steel@...>
 

. He needs a little
coaching from a good DXPeditioner. Those guys know how to work the
propagation :-)
Experience . . . . . a wonderful thing we spend most of
our life accumulating.
Jim - M0ZAK [ gathering experience]

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard B. Drake [mailto:rich@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:11 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] How to report bugs effectively

Most days all I hear is a faint whisper. However, one day this past week he
was 52 and workable. Problem is he didn't seem to realize that this was his
first shot at the East coast and he didn't spend enough time taking
advantage of it. He did work a few and then went on with the numbers game
and by the time he got back East the propagation was gone
----
73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:38 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] How to report bugs effectively


I never heard Ed from the east coast. He was S9 on the west coast last
Saturday, but I did not break the pile and he failed to show on Sunday.
Unfortunately, his 10m and 20m timeslots (2pm and 5am local time,
respectively) don't match up well with my work schedule. But I'm trying!

If Ed's operation is valid, your message is the first I've heard of it.
WFWL.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard B. Drake [mailto:rich@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:30 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] How to report bugs effectively

FYI: There is a valid operation going on right now in P5. It's P5/4L4FN.
He
has been operating daily on 10 meters around 2300-2400Z on 28580 QSX
28590 &
up. Propagation from the East coast has been very poor so far but the
west
coast guys seem to work him easily. As you can imagine the pile ups have
been horrendous. I haven't managed to snag him yet but there is hope,
he'll
be there for about six months. Better start using SpotCollector he is
spotted almost every afternoon :-)

73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:06 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] How to report bugs effectively


While doing some work with IBM last week on their new open source
Eclipse project, I came across this well-written article:
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html . Please don't
misinterpret my rationale for promoting this article - I am not at all
unhappy with the quality of defect reports or enhancement requests
posted by the members of this reflector. DXLab would be far less
reliable and useful without your continuing contributions. But
complacency is the enemy of progress, and one finds few articles on
the
topic as pragmatic as this one. You can, however, safely ignore the
stuff about keeping programmers happy; if you really want to make me
happy, mount a valid operation in 7O, VU4, or P5.

73,

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Re: How to report bugs effectively

Richard B Drake
 

Most days all I hear is a faint whisper. However, one day this past week he
was 52 and workable. Problem is he didn't seem to realize that this was his
first shot at the East coast and he didn't spend enough time taking
advantage of it. He did work a few and then went on with the numbers game
and by the time he got back East the propagation was gone. He needs a little
coaching from a good DXPeditioner. Those guys know how to work the
propagation :-)

----
73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:38 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] How to report bugs effectively


I never heard Ed from the east coast. He was S9 on the west coast last
Saturday, but I did not break the pile and he failed to show on Sunday.
Unfortunately, his 10m and 20m timeslots (2pm and 5am local time,
respectively) don't match up well with my work schedule. But I'm trying!

If Ed's operation is valid, your message is the first I've heard of it.
WFWL.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard B. Drake [mailto:rich@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:30 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] How to report bugs effectively

FYI: There is a valid operation going on right now in P5. It's P5/4L4FN.
He
has been operating daily on 10 meters around 2300-2400Z on 28580 QSX
28590 &
up. Propagation from the East coast has been very poor so far but the
west
coast guys seem to work him easily. As you can imagine the pile ups have
been horrendous. I haven't managed to snag him yet but there is hope,
he'll
be there for about six months. Better start using SpotCollector he is
spotted almost every afternoon :-)

73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:06 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] How to report bugs effectively


While doing some work with IBM last week on their new open source
Eclipse project, I came across this well-written article:
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html . Please don't
misinterpret my rationale for promoting this article - I am not at all
unhappy with the quality of defect reports or enhancement requests
posted by the members of this reflector. DXLab would be far less
reliable and useful without your continuing contributions. But
complacency is the enemy of progress, and one finds few articles on
the
topic as pragmatic as this one. You can, however, safely ignore the
stuff about keeping programmers happy; if you really want to make me
happy, mount a valid operation in 7O, VU4, or P5.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ






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Re: WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Ben Kraaijenhagen <PD5SAM@...>
 

Hello Dave,

The frequencies shown under Receive channel and under Transmit. Frequencies
above 100 MHz lost the first digit. I can send you a private mail with a
screenshot if you like....

73, Ben

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Verzonden: donderdag 13 december 2001 4:36
Aan: dxlab@...
Onderwerp: RE: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available


Ben, I'm not seeing this behavior, but perhaps I'm looking in the wrong
place. Where specifically are you seeing these erroneous frequencies?

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Kraaijenhagen [mailto:PD5SAM@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:08 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Just a little cosmetic error: frequencies above the 6m band shows up
wrong.
E.g 144.600,000 shows up as 44.600,000 :-)

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Verzonden: woensdag 12 december 2001 8:08
Aan: dxlab@...
Onderwerp: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available


This version lets you position red and blue markers above the waterfall
or spectrum display. You can specify the audio frequency of each marker
in the Audio Frequency Markers panel on the Configuration window's
General tab. Rich, W3ZJ, suggested this mechanism as a convenient means
visually zero-beating CW signals; these markers could also be used to
setup adjustable filters.

To upgrade, follow the instructions in
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/development.htm -- you'll be downloading
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/WinWarbler216Update.exe . This process
will update your online help.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ






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Re: How to report bugs effectively

Dave, AA6YQ <dhb@...>
 

I never heard Ed from the east coast. He was S9 on the west coast last
Saturday, but I did not break the pile and he failed to show on Sunday.
Unfortunately, his 10m and 20m timeslots (2pm and 5am local time,
respectively) don't match up well with my work schedule. But I'm trying!

If Ed's operation is valid, your message is the first I've heard of it.
WFWL.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard B. Drake [mailto:rich@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:30 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] How to report bugs effectively

FYI: There is a valid operation going on right now in P5. It's P5/4L4FN.
He
has been operating daily on 10 meters around 2300-2400Z on 28580 QSX
28590 &
up. Propagation from the East coast has been very poor so far but the
west
coast guys seem to work him easily. As you can imagine the pile ups have
been horrendous. I haven't managed to snag him yet but there is hope,
he'll
be there for about six months. Better start using SpotCollector he is
spotted almost every afternoon :-)

73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:06 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] How to report bugs effectively


While doing some work with IBM last week on their new open source
Eclipse project, I came across this well-written article:
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html . Please don't
misinterpret my rationale for promoting this article - I am not at all
unhappy with the quality of defect reports or enhancement requests
posted by the members of this reflector. DXLab would be far less
reliable and useful without your continuing contributions. But
complacency is the enemy of progress, and one finds few articles on
the
topic as pragmatic as this one. You can, however, safely ignore the
stuff about keeping programmers happy; if you really want to make me
happy, mount a valid operation in 7O, VU4, or P5.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ






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Re: How to report bugs effectively

Richard B Drake
 

FYI: There is a valid operation going on right now in P5. It's P5/4L4FN. He
has been operating daily on 10 meters around 2300-2400Z on 28580 QSX 28590 &
up. Propagation from the East coast has been very poor so far but the west
coast guys seem to work him easily. As you can imagine the pile ups have
been horrendous. I haven't managed to snag him yet but there is hope, he'll
be there for about six months. Better start using SpotCollector he is
spotted almost every afternoon :-)

73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:06 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] How to report bugs effectively


While doing some work with IBM last week on their new open source
Eclipse project, I came across this well-written article:
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html . Please don't
misinterpret my rationale for promoting this article - I am not at all
unhappy with the quality of defect reports or enhancement requests
posted by the members of this reflector. DXLab would be far less
reliable and useful without your continuing contributions. But
complacency is the enemy of progress, and one finds few articles on the
topic as pragmatic as this one. You can, however, safely ignore the
stuff about keeping programmers happy; if you really want to make me
happy, mount a valid operation in 7O, VU4, or P5.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ






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How to report bugs effectively

Dave, AA6YQ <dhb@...>
 

While doing some work with IBM last week on their new open source
Eclipse project, I came across this well-written article:
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html . Please don't
misinterpret my rationale for promoting this article - I am not at all
unhappy with the quality of defect reports or enhancement requests
posted by the members of this reflector. DXLab would be far less
reliable and useful without your continuing contributions. But
complacency is the enemy of progress, and one finds few articles on the
topic as pragmatic as this one. You can, however, safely ignore the
stuff about keeping programmers happy; if you really want to make me
happy, mount a valid operation in 7O, VU4, or P5.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: multiple instances of DXLab applications

Dave, AA6YQ <dhb@...>
 

I'm not too surprised that two "client" instances (WinWarbler) can
successfully interact with one "server" (Commander), though we should be
cautious and claim only that it works on XP until we get verification on
other Windows variants. I will be very surprised if DXKeeper or
WinWarbler can successfully interact with two instances of a server
(Commander), but anxiously await the results of your experiment.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard B. Drake [mailto:rich@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 7:02 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] multiple instances of DXLab applications

I never even tried bringing up 2 instances of WinWarbler before, but you
know what? You can do it and they both work. Both waterfalls display
signals, both respond to and send commands to the radio indicating that
they
have both established a DDE link with commander and there doesn't seem
to be
any confusion. I haven't tried logging a contact from either one but
something tells me it would work. Tomorrow I'll try running two
instances
of commander and controlling two radios on separate com ports to see if
I
can get away with that. Maybe you don't have to do much of anything :-)
I
know that if I was still running Win 98 it would have died under the
load
long ago, but XP just seems to be oblivious to the whole thing :-)

73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:27 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] multiple instances of DXLab applications


Rich, your post raises the interesting question of "what should happen
when the user tries to run multiple instances of a DXLab
application?".
Its easy enough to detect this situation and politely decline to let
it
happen, but as you demonstrate below there are good reasons for
running
multiple instances of at least some of the applications. Besides
monitoring our own PSK or MMTTY signals, we can imagine wanting to
monitor RTTY and PSK signals at the same time, or wanting to control
multiple transceivers, or wanting to view multiple logs, or wanting
see
signal paths from multiple QTHs. About the only applications for which
multiple instances seem gratuitous are Pathfinder and SpotCollector.

The only problem I foresee with running multiple instances of an
application is the interoperation with other DXLab applications. DXLab
applications use Microsoft's DDE protocol to communicate among
themselves; in this protocol, a "client" (say WinWarbler) invokes the
actions of a "server" (say Commander) by sending a message to the
server
by name. In particular, there is no way to distinguish which of
several
running server instances should handle the request, as all of the
instances have identical names. I should do some further research here
-
its difficult to categorically claim that something can't be done, as
the next Google search might reveal the previously undocumented
mechanism that makes it possible.

One approach to this problem is to make the first instance of an
application the only one that interacts with other DXLab clients and
servers; so if you start up a second instance of Commander to control
your VHF rig, it never establishes DDE links to the other applications
-
it doesn't exist as far as the other applications are concerned. It
would be easy to distinguish such "disconnected" instances with an
appropriate notation in their title bar. This seems like it would work
ok, but there is the following scenario to be considered:

1. start Commander (the first instance, which communicates with
other DXLab applications)
2. start Commander (the second instance, which is invisible to
other DXLab applications)
3. terminate the first instance of Commander

At this point, any subsequent Commanders that you start will be of the
invisible variety (with respect to other DXLab applications); to get a
Commander that interacts with the other DXLab applications, you have
to
shutdown all the other Commanders first. Ugly.

I could add a configuration setting that lets the user decide whether
or
not an instance communicates with other DXLab applications - but that
will make it all too easy to have multiple copies of the same
application conversing with their DXLab counterparts. Ugly.

Are there better ways to handle this (perhaps rare) scenario? Are
there
other solutions to the general problem? Is any of this worth worrying
about?

Running multiple instances of Commander requires one serial port for
each instance. Icom radios represent a special case, in that one can
attach multiple radios to the same CI-V bus; in this situation, we
don't
really want multiple instances of Commander, we want one instance of
Commander that know how to talk to multiple radios (e.g. use the 781
for
frequencies between 1.6 and 30 mHz, and use the 820 for frequencies
above 50 mhz).

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard B. Drake [mailto:rich@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:00 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Wow, that was fast. Now I have no reason to bring up Zakanaka :-)
However, I
do bring it up occasionally for a different reason. I find that I can
run
both WinWarbler and Zakanaka at the same time. By connecting the
FT-817
output to the sound card mic and the Omni VI receiver to the sound
card
output I can then see my own trace on Zakanaka while transmitting with
WinWarbler. This provides a way to adjust the audio gains while
monitoring
my own IMD. I found that I could actually run the FT-817 with a full 5
watt
peak output and still maintain an IMD between -26db to -30db. The 817
is
showing about 4 bars of ALC. This surprised the heck out of me, and I
don't
know what Yaesu has done to make that possible but I'll take it :-) On
air
reports verify that as well.

----
73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:08 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available


This version lets you position red and blue markers above the
waterfall
or spectrum display. You can specify the audio frequency of each
marker
in the Audio Frequency Markers panel on the Configuration window's
General tab. Rich, W3ZJ, suggested this mechanism as a convenient
means
visually zero-beating CW signals; these markers could also be used
to
setup adjustable filters.

To upgrade, follow the instructions in
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/development.htm -- you'll be
downloading
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/WinWarbler216Update.exe . This process
will update your online help.

73,

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Re: WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Dave, AA6YQ <dhb@...>
 

Ben, I'm not seeing this behavior, but perhaps I'm looking in the wrong
place. Where specifically are you seeing these erroneous frequencies?

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Kraaijenhagen [mailto:PD5SAM@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:08 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Just a little cosmetic error: frequencies above the 6m band shows up
wrong.
E.g 144.600,000 shows up as 44.600,000 :-)

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Verzonden: woensdag 12 december 2001 8:08
Aan: dxlab@...
Onderwerp: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available


This version lets you position red and blue markers above the waterfall
or spectrum display. You can specify the audio frequency of each marker
in the Audio Frequency Markers panel on the Configuration window's
General tab. Rich, W3ZJ, suggested this mechanism as a convenient means
visually zero-beating CW signals; these markers could also be used to
setup adjustable filters.

To upgrade, follow the instructions in
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/development.htm -- you'll be downloading
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/WinWarbler216Update.exe . This process
will update your online help.

73,

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Re: multiple instances of DXLab applications

Richard B Drake
 

I never even tried bringing up 2 instances of WinWarbler before, but you
know what? You can do it and they both work. Both waterfalls display
signals, both respond to and send commands to the radio indicating that they
have both established a DDE link with commander and there doesn't seem to be
any confusion. I haven't tried logging a contact from either one but
something tells me it would work. Tomorrow I'll try running two instances
of commander and controlling two radios on separate com ports to see if I
can get away with that. Maybe you don't have to do much of anything :-) I
know that if I was still running Win 98 it would have died under the load
long ago, but XP just seems to be oblivious to the whole thing :-)

73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:27 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] multiple instances of DXLab applications


Rich, your post raises the interesting question of "what should happen
when the user tries to run multiple instances of a DXLab application?".
Its easy enough to detect this situation and politely decline to let it
happen, but as you demonstrate below there are good reasons for running
multiple instances of at least some of the applications. Besides
monitoring our own PSK or MMTTY signals, we can imagine wanting to
monitor RTTY and PSK signals at the same time, or wanting to control
multiple transceivers, or wanting to view multiple logs, or wanting see
signal paths from multiple QTHs. About the only applications for which
multiple instances seem gratuitous are Pathfinder and SpotCollector.

The only problem I foresee with running multiple instances of an
application is the interoperation with other DXLab applications. DXLab
applications use Microsoft's DDE protocol to communicate among
themselves; in this protocol, a "client" (say WinWarbler) invokes the
actions of a "server" (say Commander) by sending a message to the server
by name. In particular, there is no way to distinguish which of several
running server instances should handle the request, as all of the
instances have identical names. I should do some further research here -
its difficult to categorically claim that something can't be done, as
the next Google search might reveal the previously undocumented
mechanism that makes it possible.

One approach to this problem is to make the first instance of an
application the only one that interacts with other DXLab clients and
servers; so if you start up a second instance of Commander to control
your VHF rig, it never establishes DDE links to the other applications -
it doesn't exist as far as the other applications are concerned. It
would be easy to distinguish such "disconnected" instances with an
appropriate notation in their title bar. This seems like it would work
ok, but there is the following scenario to be considered:

1. start Commander (the first instance, which communicates with
other DXLab applications)
2. start Commander (the second instance, which is invisible to
other DXLab applications)
3. terminate the first instance of Commander

At this point, any subsequent Commanders that you start will be of the
invisible variety (with respect to other DXLab applications); to get a
Commander that interacts with the other DXLab applications, you have to
shutdown all the other Commanders first. Ugly.

I could add a configuration setting that lets the user decide whether or
not an instance communicates with other DXLab applications - but that
will make it all too easy to have multiple copies of the same
application conversing with their DXLab counterparts. Ugly.

Are there better ways to handle this (perhaps rare) scenario? Are there
other solutions to the general problem? Is any of this worth worrying
about?

Running multiple instances of Commander requires one serial port for
each instance. Icom radios represent a special case, in that one can
attach multiple radios to the same CI-V bus; in this situation, we don't
really want multiple instances of Commander, we want one instance of
Commander that know how to talk to multiple radios (e.g. use the 781 for
frequencies between 1.6 and 30 mHz, and use the 820 for frequencies
above 50 mhz).

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard B. Drake [mailto:rich@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:00 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Wow, that was fast. Now I have no reason to bring up Zakanaka :-)
However, I
do bring it up occasionally for a different reason. I find that I can
run
both WinWarbler and Zakanaka at the same time. By connecting the FT-817
output to the sound card mic and the Omni VI receiver to the sound card
output I can then see my own trace on Zakanaka while transmitting with
WinWarbler. This provides a way to adjust the audio gains while
monitoring
my own IMD. I found that I could actually run the FT-817 with a full 5
watt
peak output and still maintain an IMD between -26db to -30db. The 817 is
showing about 4 bars of ALC. This surprised the heck out of me, and I
don't
know what Yaesu has done to make that possible but I'll take it :-) On
air
reports verify that as well.

----
73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:08 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available


This version lets you position red and blue markers above the
waterfall
or spectrum display. You can specify the audio frequency of each
marker
in the Audio Frequency Markers panel on the Configuration window's
General tab. Rich, W3ZJ, suggested this mechanism as a convenient
means
visually zero-beating CW signals; these markers could also be used to
setup adjustable filters.

To upgrade, follow the instructions in
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/development.htm -- you'll be downloading
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/WinWarbler216Update.exe . This process
will update your online help.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ






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Re: CIV Commander feature request

Dave, AA6YQ <dhb@...>
 

Thanks, Joseph. That one has been on the enhancement list for awhile --
I'll try to get to it soon, as I agree it would be helpful.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

-----Original Message-----
From: JOSEPH SCALET JR [mailto:JSCALET@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:08 AM
To: dhb@...
Subject: CIV Commander feature request

Allow frequency change with the mouse scroll wheel. Thanks
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multiple instances of DXLab applications

Dave, AA6YQ <dhb@...>
 

Rich, your post raises the interesting question of "what should happen
when the user tries to run multiple instances of a DXLab application?".
Its easy enough to detect this situation and politely decline to let it
happen, but as you demonstrate below there are good reasons for running
multiple instances of at least some of the applications. Besides
monitoring our own PSK or MMTTY signals, we can imagine wanting to
monitor RTTY and PSK signals at the same time, or wanting to control
multiple transceivers, or wanting to view multiple logs, or wanting see
signal paths from multiple QTHs. About the only applications for which
multiple instances seem gratuitous are Pathfinder and SpotCollector.

The only problem I foresee with running multiple instances of an
application is the interoperation with other DXLab applications. DXLab
applications use Microsoft's DDE protocol to communicate among
themselves; in this protocol, a "client" (say WinWarbler) invokes the
actions of a "server" (say Commander) by sending a message to the server
by name. In particular, there is no way to distinguish which of several
running server instances should handle the request, as all of the
instances have identical names. I should do some further research here -
its difficult to categorically claim that something can't be done, as
the next Google search might reveal the previously undocumented
mechanism that makes it possible.

One approach to this problem is to make the first instance of an
application the only one that interacts with other DXLab clients and
servers; so if you start up a second instance of Commander to control
your VHF rig, it never establishes DDE links to the other applications -
it doesn't exist as far as the other applications are concerned. It
would be easy to distinguish such "disconnected" instances with an
appropriate notation in their title bar. This seems like it would work
ok, but there is the following scenario to be considered:

1. start Commander (the first instance, which communicates with
other DXLab applications)
2. start Commander (the second instance, which is invisible to
other DXLab applications)
3. terminate the first instance of Commander

At this point, any subsequent Commanders that you start will be of the
invisible variety (with respect to other DXLab applications); to get a
Commander that interacts with the other DXLab applications, you have to
shutdown all the other Commanders first. Ugly.

I could add a configuration setting that lets the user decide whether or
not an instance communicates with other DXLab applications - but that
will make it all too easy to have multiple copies of the same
application conversing with their DXLab counterparts. Ugly.

Are there better ways to handle this (perhaps rare) scenario? Are there
other solutions to the general problem? Is any of this worth worrying
about?

Running multiple instances of Commander requires one serial port for
each instance. Icom radios represent a special case, in that one can
attach multiple radios to the same CI-V bus; in this situation, we don't
really want multiple instances of Commander, we want one instance of
Commander that know how to talk to multiple radios (e.g. use the 781 for
frequencies between 1.6 and 30 mHz, and use the 820 for frequencies
above 50 mhz).

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard B. Drake [mailto:rich@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:00 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Wow, that was fast. Now I have no reason to bring up Zakanaka :-)
However, I
do bring it up occasionally for a different reason. I find that I can
run
both WinWarbler and Zakanaka at the same time. By connecting the FT-817
output to the sound card mic and the Omni VI receiver to the sound card
output I can then see my own trace on Zakanaka while transmitting with
WinWarbler. This provides a way to adjust the audio gains while
monitoring
my own IMD. I found that I could actually run the FT-817 with a full 5
watt
peak output and still maintain an IMD between -26db to -30db. The 817 is
showing about 4 bars of ALC. This surprised the heck out of me, and I
don't
know what Yaesu has done to make that possible but I'll take it :-) On
air
reports verify that as well.

----
73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:08 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available


This version lets you position red and blue markers above the
waterfall
or spectrum display. You can specify the audio frequency of each
marker
in the Audio Frequency Markers panel on the Configuration window's
General tab. Rich, W3ZJ, suggested this mechanism as a convenient
means
visually zero-beating CW signals; these markers could also be used to
setup adjustable filters.

To upgrade, follow the instructions in
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/development.htm -- you'll be downloading
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/WinWarbler216Update.exe . This process
will update your online help.

73,

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Re: WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Ben Kraaijenhagen <PD5SAM@...>
 

Thanks for the quick answer, hi.
Not much activity here on 2m in PSK. 144.600Mhz is in use for all kinds of
different (digital) modes. So far I have a QSO over a distance of abt 100
km. We did some experiments with MT63, Hell and MFSK. All modes solid
copy.... When signal drops MT63 was the last mode we could use.....
Tried this week PSK on 6m (50.260 and 50.290 MHz) but no response. Excelent
cdx to the states but nobody QRV on these frequencies in PSK? I just keep
trying on these frequencies :-)

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: dhbernstein [mailto:dhb@...]
Verzonden: woensdag 12 december 2001 21:01
Aan: dxlab@...
Onderwerp: [dxlab] Re: WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available


Thanks! I'll take a look at this tonight.

Is there much VHF or UHF use of PSK31 in Europe? Would operating PSK
at these frequencies require benefit from additional software support?

73,


Re: WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

dhbernstein <dhb@...>
 

Thanks! I'll take a look at this tonight.

Is there much VHF or UHF use of PSK31 in Europe? Would operating PSK
at these frequencies require benefit from additional software support?

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


--- In dxlab@y..., "Ben Kraaijenhagen" <PD5SAM@A...> wrote:
Just a little cosmetic error: frequencies above the 6m band shows
up wrong.
E.g 144.600,000 shows up as 44.600,000 :-)

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@m...]
Verzonden: woensdag 12 december 2001 8:08
Aan: dxlab@y...
Onderwerp: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available


This version lets you position red and blue markers above the
waterfall
or spectrum display. You can specify the audio frequency of each
marker
in the Audio Frequency Markers panel on the Configuration window's
General tab. Rich, W3ZJ, suggested this mechanism as a convenient
means
visually zero-beating CW signals; these markers could also be used
to
setup adjustable filters.

To upgrade, follow the instructions in
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/development.htm -- you'll be
downloading
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/WinWarbler216Update.exe . This process
will update your online help.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ






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Re: WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Richard B Drake
 

Wow, that was fast. Now I have no reason to bring up Zakanaka :-) However, I
do bring it up occasionally for a different reason. I find that I can run
both WinWarbler and Zakanaka at the same time. By connecting the FT-817
output to the sound card mic and the Omni VI receiver to the sound card
output I can then see my own trace on Zakanaka while transmitting with
WinWarbler. This provides a way to adjust the audio gains while monitoring
my own IMD. I found that I could actually run the FT-817 with a full 5 watt
peak output and still maintain an IMD between -26db to -30db. The 817 is
showing about 4 bars of ALC. This surprised the heck out of me, and I don't
know what Yaesu has done to make that possible but I'll take it :-) On air
reports verify that as well.

----
73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:08 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available


This version lets you position red and blue markers above the waterfall
or spectrum display. You can specify the audio frequency of each marker
in the Audio Frequency Markers panel on the Configuration window's
General tab. Rich, W3ZJ, suggested this mechanism as a convenient means
visually zero-beating CW signals; these markers could also be used to
setup adjustable filters.

To upgrade, follow the instructions in
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/development.htm -- you'll be downloading
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/WinWarbler216Update.exe . This process
will update your online help.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ






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Re: WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Ben Kraaijenhagen <PD5SAM@...>
 

Just a little cosmetic error: frequencies above the 6m band shows up wrong.
E.g 144.600,000 shows up as 44.600,000 :-)

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Dave, AA6YQ [mailto:dhb@...]
Verzonden: woensdag 12 december 2001 8:08
Aan: dxlab@...
Onderwerp: [dxlab] WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available


This version lets you position red and blue markers above the waterfall
or spectrum display. You can specify the audio frequency of each marker
in the Audio Frequency Markers panel on the Configuration window's
General tab. Rich, W3ZJ, suggested this mechanism as a convenient means
visually zero-beating CW signals; these markers could also be used to
setup adjustable filters.

To upgrade, follow the instructions in
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/development.htm -- you'll be downloading
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/WinWarbler216Update.exe . This process
will update your online help.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ






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WinWarbler version 2.1.6 is available

Dave, AA6YQ <dhb@...>
 

This version lets you position red and blue markers above the waterfall
or spectrum display. You can specify the audio frequency of each marker
in the Audio Frequency Markers panel on the Configuration window's
General tab. Rich, W3ZJ, suggested this mechanism as a convenient means
visually zero-beating CW signals; these markers could also be used to
setup adjustable filters.

To upgrade, follow the instructions in
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/development.htm -- you'll be downloading
http://www.qsl.net/winwarbler/WinWarbler216Update.exe . This process
will update your online help.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


DXView 1.4.1 is available

Dave, AA6YQ <dhb@...>
 

This release supports the Heath HD1780 IntelliRotor; thanks to Stan N3KK
for supplying the protocol documentation for this rotator.

To upgrade to this version, see
http://www.qsl.net/dxview/development.htm -- you'll be downloading
http://www.qsl.net/dxview/DXView141Update.exe .

73,

Dave, AA6YQ