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Re: K3s second VFO RTTY

Peter Dougherty
 

So it looked like it was just a simple matter of enable two-channel receive in the appropriate sound card setting. Windows 10 seems to love resetting sound settings at major updates, and  that's what fixed it (well, kinda-sorta fixed it).But this brings up two questions. One, how will setting this to 2-ch affect JT-modes operation (if at all), and second, levels seem to be a bit of an issue for the second VFO now; I'm only hearing the strongest signals. I'm a bit hesitant to mess with them, again, fearing screwing up WSJT.

I go months with the radio off these days due to work commitments, only doing an hour or two in a DX or 160 contest, and some 6m FT8 in June and July when the band is hopping. I just don't have the cycles between my ears to remember all these arcane settings any more. I would dearly love to have some kind of set-it-once and save it forever process, but Windows breaks things regularly. But that said, it's nice to dabble into RTTY again every so often. The hamshack PC is my only system now that my wife has moved into my office for remote-work-from-home, and I have to use it as my work PC for the 50-70 hour work weeks I'm putting in.


Re: DXK/DXV - user specified digital mode family

Wolf, DK1FW
 

Thanks for the explanation Dave.

I was not aware of the comlications to add RTTY.
I will sit back patiently.

73 de Wolf, DK1FW

Am 12.10.2021 um 14:42 schrieb Dave AA6YQ:

+ AA6YQ comments below

DXKeeper and DXView allow to set/view a user-specified digital mode
family to support personal objectives beyond DIGITAL progress for DXCC.
While the list, from which this can be chosen, includes some pretty
exotic modes it does not include RTTY.

Many of us have chased RTTY DXCC for decades before ARRL changed it to
DIGITAL thus down-grading the more difficult RTTY DXCC to a personal
objective.
Old RTTY-ers like myself still aim at DXCC HR level in RTTY only and on
multiple bands in addition to the ease of attaining those DIGITAL goals
by using FT8.

Having RTTY worked status at a glance in DXV is quite different from
generating a progress report.

So I wonder if you could add RTTY to the list of user-specified digital
modes. The user-base of RTTY is probably still bigger than that of
OLIVIA and THROB.

+ I didn’t include RTTY in the initial implementation of "user-specified digital mode" because it's quite a bit more complicated to implement, and would have considerably delayed that initial implementation. It's still "on the list" - but not imminent.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ






Re: WSJT-X interaction issues with Spot Collector, DXView, Pathfinder, DXKeeper

HB
 

Thanks Dave...
I have been traveling for work - I'll be back home tomorrow and do as you ask.

Stay tuned!

Hank
K4HYJ


Re: WinWarbler logging problems

Gordon LaPoint N1MGO
 

Dave,

   One set of macros for now, I'm going to have separate macro banks for each mode, when I get done.  I have not updated my macro's in years, its time!

Gordon - N1MGO

+ AA6YQ comments below

    This was done yesterday, when I first reported the apparent logging problem.

The application was winwarbler, same aprox time as the psk31 contacts.  I was setting up operation with my new Elecraft K4D, so tried many modes yesterday.

+ Are you using one set of macros for both PSK31 and RTTY, or do you have separate PSK31 and RTTY macros? If the latter, check to see which <log...> command is employed for logging RTTY QSOs.

    73,

            Dave, AA6YQ


Re: WinWarbler logging problems

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

    This was done yesterday, when I first reported the apparent logging problem.

The application was winwarbler, same aprox time as the psk31 contacts.  I was setting up operation with my new Elecraft K4D, so tried many modes yesterday.

+ Are you using one set of macros for both PSK31 and RTTY, or do you have separate PSK31 and RTTY macros? If the latter, check to see which <log...> command is employed for logging RTTY QSOs.

    73,

            Dave, AA6YQ


Re: WinWarbler logging problems

Gordon LaPoint N1MGO
 

Dave,

    This was done yesterday, when I first reported the apparent logging problem.

The application was winwarbler, same aprox time as the psk31 contacts.  I was setting up operation with my new Elecraft K4D, so tried many modes yesterday.

Gordon - N1MGO

On 10/12/2021 10:02 AM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:

+ AA6YQ comments below
   After reading the help on the commands <log_qso> and <log_eqsl_lotw_qso> I have a question.

I used <log_qso> for both psk31  and RTTY, rtty contacts logged and uploaded to LOTW and eQSL, but psk31 did not.

Why did the RTTY contacts upload?  It appears per the description of the commands that RTTY should NOT have uploaded, same as I see with psk31.

Should I replace the <log_qso> in both RTTY and psk31 macros, or just the psk31 macros, with the <log_eqsl_lotw_qso> command?

+ Operation of the <log...> macro commands is independent of mode. When did you log those RTTY QSOs that were uploaded, and from which application?

+ The macro command to use for uploading to both eQSL and LoTW is

<log_eqsl_lotw_qso>

     73,

            Dave, AA6YQ


Re: WinWarbler logging problems

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below
   After reading the help on the commands <log_qso> and <log_eqsl_lotw_qso> I have a question.

I used <log_qso> for both psk31  and RTTY, rtty contacts logged and uploaded to LOTW and eQSL, but psk31 did not.

Why did the RTTY contacts upload?  It appears per the description of the commands that RTTY should NOT have uploaded, same as I see with psk31.

Should I replace the <log_qso> in both RTTY and psk31 macros, or just the psk31 macros, with the <log_eqsl_lotw_qso> command?

+ Operation of the <log...> macro commands is independent of mode. When did you log those RTTY QSOs that were uploaded, and from which application?

+ The macro command to use for uploading to both eQSL and LoTW is

<log_eqsl_lotw_qso>

     73,

            Dave, AA6YQ


Re: WinWarbler logging problems

Gordon LaPoint N1MGO
 

Dave,

    After reading the help on the commands <log_qso> and <log_eqsl_lotw_qso> I have a question.

I used <log_qso> for both psk31  and RTTY, rtty contacts logged and uploaded to LOTW and eQSL, but psk31 did not.

Why did the RTTY contacts upload?  It appears per the description of the commands that RTTY should NOT have uploaded, same as I see with psk31.

Should I replace the <log_qso> in both RTTY and psk31 macros, or just the psk31 macros, with the <log_eqsl_lotw_qso> command?

Thanks,

Gordon - N1MGO

On 10/12/2021 8:57 AM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:
@ more AA6YQ comments below

+ What action did you take in WinWarbler to initiate logging of the QSO?

I use the same method for PSK31 and RTTY, I have a macro button.

F12 = <name> THANK YOU FOR THE QSO 73 <callsign> DE <mycall> SK <stop>
<log_qso> <clear_qso>

The rtty contacts log and upload, the psk31 contacts only log, no upload.

@ That's correct. If you want to log a QSO and have DXKeeper submit that QSO to eQSL and LoTW, replace the

<log_qso>

@ command with

<log_eqsl_lotw_qso>

@ See

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/winwarbler/Help/Macros.htm

73,

Dave, AA6YQ



Re: WinWarbler logging problems

Dave AA6YQ
 

@ more AA6YQ comments below

+ What action did you take in WinWarbler to initiate logging of the QSO?

I use the same method for PSK31 and RTTY, I have a macro button.

F12 = <name> THANK YOU FOR THE QSO 73 <callsign> DE <mycall> SK <stop>
<log_qso> <clear_qso>

The rtty contacts log and upload, the psk31 contacts only log, no upload.

@ That's correct. If you want to log a QSO and have DXKeeper submit that QSO to eQSL and LoTW, replace the

<log_qso>

@ command with

<log_eqsl_lotw_qso>

@ See

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/winwarbler/Help/Macros.htm

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: DXK/DXV - user specified digital mode family

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

DXKeeper and DXView allow to set/view a user-specified digital mode
family to support personal objectives beyond DIGITAL progress for DXCC.
While the list, from which this can be chosen, includes some pretty
exotic modes it does not include RTTY.

Many of us have chased RTTY DXCC for decades before ARRL changed it to
DIGITAL thus down-grading the more difficult RTTY DXCC to a personal
objective.
Old RTTY-ers like myself still aim at DXCC HR level in RTTY only and on
multiple bands in addition to the ease of attaining those DIGITAL goals
by using FT8.

Having RTTY worked status at a glance in DXV is quite different from
generating a progress report.

So I wonder if you could add RTTY to the list of user-specified digital
modes. The user-base of RTTY is probably still bigger than that of
OLIVIA and THROB.

+ I didn’t include RTTY in the initial implementation of "user-specified digital mode" because it's quite a bit more complicated to implement, and would have considerably delayed that initial implementation. It's still "on the list" - but not imminent.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


DXK/DXV - user specified digital mode family

Wolf, DK1FW
 

Dave,

DXKeeper and DXView allow to set/view a user-specified digital mode family to support personal objectives beyond DIGITAL progress for DXCC.
While the list, from which this can be chosen, includes some pretty exotic modes it does not include RTTY.

Many of us have chased RTTY DXCC for decades before ARRL changed it to DIGITAL thus down-grading the more difficult RTTY DXCC to a personal objective.
Old RTTY-ers like myself still aim at DXCC HR level in RTTY only and on multiple bands in addition to the ease of attaining those DIGITAL goals by using FT8.

Having RTTY worked status at a glance in DXV is quite different from generating a progress report.

So I wonder if you could add RTTY to the list of user-specified digital modes. The user-base of RTTY is probably still bigger than that of OLIVIA and THROB.

73 de Wolf, DK1FW


Re: WinWarbler behavior on FSK

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below
Yes, that's correct. WinWarbler runs as a standalone with the MMTTY settings set through the application. I'll send you the screen shot in the morning.
+ When you start MMTTY.exe in your WinWarbler folder, WinWarbler does not run; only MMTTY is running. I want to compare the EXTFSK settings you're using when running MMTTY standalone with the EXTFSK settings you're using when you're running WinWarbler.

          73,

                Dave, AA6YQ


Re: WinWarbler behavior on FSK

Jeff, K6JW
 

Yes, that's correct. WinWarbler runs as a standalone with the MMTTY settings set through the application. I'll send you the screen shot in the morning. Thanks, Dave.


Re: WinWarbler behavior on FSK

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

WinWarbler runs perfectly as a standalone. So, the question now is how to get it to run with Commander.

+ You’re reporting that the instance of MMTTY in your WinWarbler folder works correctly, correct?

+ If so, please start that instance again, open the EXTFSK window, make a screen shot, attach the screen shot to an email message, and send the email message to me via

AA6YQ (at) ambersoft.com

Dave


Re: WinWarbler behavior on FSK

Jeff, K6JW
 

WinWarbler runs perfectly as a standalone. So, the question now is how to get it to run with Commander.
--Jeff, K6JW


Re: WinWarbler behavior on FSK

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

I do, and that configuration carries over to WinWarbler. I've tried every suggested setting and multiple combinations and permutations. I still get garbage as output. Honestly, I have no idea where to go from here. Most of what's been suggested I had already tried without success but tried again just in case I had missed something, and apparently I hadn't. At this point, I need to drop back and think about this some more.
Thanks for trying to help, but nothing new is being suggested and nothing so far has worked. Incidentally, I've worked through every one of the relevant settings here with someone who's up and running with precisely the setup I have, and he's got no problems with it. So, something unusual is accounting for this and I just need to find it.

+ Try RTTY FSK using the instance of MMTTY in your WinWarbler folder standalone. What happens?

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: WinWarbler behavior on FSK

Jeff, K6JW
 

I do, and that configuration carries over to WinWarbler. I've tried every suggested setting and multiple combinations and permutations. I still get garbage as output. Honestly, I have no idea where to go from here. Most of what's been suggested I had already tried without success but tried again just in case I had missed something, and apparently I hadn't. At this point, I need to drop back and think about this some more.
Thanks for trying to help, but nothing new is being suggested and nothing so far has worked. Incidentally, I've worked through every one of the relevant settings here with someone who's up and running with precisely the setup I have, and he's got no problems with it. So, something unusual is accounting for this and I just need to find it.
--Jeff, K6JW


Re: WinWarbler behavior on FSK

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below
In the case of the FTdx101 there does not appear to be a "PC Keying"
or "Data In" selection in the menu structure. However, you will want
to set all of the "RPTT SELECT" (MODE PSK/DATA, MODE RTTY, MODE SSB,
MODE AM, MODE FM) to RTS. You will need to experiment with EXTFSK
to see if TxD or DTR will provide the FSK signal (there is no menu
setting in the FTdx101) and set EXTFSK to use RTS for PTT.

+ Jeff, if you've successfully configured standalone MMTTY to transmit RTTY FSK, then you should already know how to configure EXTFSK.

        73,

              Dave, AA6YQ


Re: K3s second VFO RTTY

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below
I can't find any way to receive on VFO-B to listen to the pileup. I am using a USB connection between the radio and the PC and I don't know if there's any way to tap into the second VFO using that method.
Sub RX Audio is on the *RIGHT* channel of USB Audio CODEC
*IF AND ONLY IF* SUB is ON. The Windows "Default Format" for the
USB Audio CODEC (Recording) *MUST* be a two channel format - it *may*
default to a single channel format depending on the (Windows) INF
file for the particular VID/PID of the chip.

I used to be able to bring up a second instance of MMTTY in the old days, but even that is no longer possible if WW is running,
You *MUST* use the "-Z" switch on the command line (or Shortcut "Target"
used to launch the second instance of MMTTY as by default it will only
launch a single instance. *READ* the MMTTY documentation!

*ALL* of this has been documented in this list as well as the Elecraft
and RTTY lists on *MULTIPLE OCCASIONS*. I'm sure a simple search of
the list archives will discover it.

+ This article explains how to simultaneously decode a RTTY station and its pileup when using an Icom IC-78XX or IC-7610 using CI-V commands in WinWarbler macros:

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/RTTY_SplitDecode

+ The "RTTY Configuration and Operations" section of this article explains how to simultaneously decode a RTTY station and its pileup when using a Flex Signature transceiver using Flex API commands in WinWarbler macros:

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/FlexSignature

+ The techniques described in the above articles - switching receiver outputs or switching soundcard sections - should be applicable to any transceiver with a subreceiver and a competent set of CAT instructions. If you successfully accomplish this, please send me your notes, and I'll incorporate them into a similar article for your transceiver model. Thanks!

      73,

             Dave, AA6YQ

 


Re: WinWarbler behavior on FSK

Joe Subich, W4TV
 

Jeff,

Look at the information on using the SCU-17
<http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/YaesuSCU-17>

The FTdx101 is another of those transceivers with the SCU-17
functionality built in like FTd3000, FT-991 (and others).

In the case of the FTdx101 there does not appear to be a "PC Keying"
or "Data In" selection in the menu structure. However, you will want
to set all of the "RPTT SELECT" (MODE PSK/DATA, MODE RTTY, MODE SSB,
MODE AM, MODE FM) to RTS. You will need to experiment with EXTFSK
to see if TxD or DTR will provide the FSK signal (there is no menu
setting in the FTdx101) and set EXTFSK to use RTS for PTT.

I can not tell if the FTdx101 can use USB for FSK as there is no
information on FSK via USB in the operating Manual and I have no
access to an FTdx101 for testing.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2021-10-11 2:38 PM, Jeff, K6JW wrote:
Yes, I have followed all instructions as outlined by you, including trying inverting FSK. The functioning Commander link is on COM 14 via the RS-232 port.The radio responds by going into transmit via its USB port on COM 10, the standard port loaded by the Silicon Labs driver from Yaesu. The enhanced port from that driver is on COM 12, also via the USB port, and unless I misunderstand how things are working, data should be transferred via that port but attempts to get Commander to link the radio via the USB port on COM 12 and with the RS-232 port disconnected are met by a port error message.
So, the current status is that I can get the radio to go into transmit using WinWarbler, but it appears that data (or, at least, meaningful data) is not getting from the computer into the radio. Finally, I mention again that I can run FSK using MMTTY freestanding with no problems.
--Jeff, K6JW